Leathel wrote... >William Bowles that married Valencia Branch in 1802 is suppose to be >a son of Thomas Phillip Bowles and Sarah Bacon. According to Branch >researchers William and Valencia had a son named William about 1811. >What I have found is that both William and Valencia were both >married to someone else before they married in 1802. How did you find this? >In the 1820 Barren Co census William and Valencia have a male born >between 1776-1794 living with them. I'm thinking that William had >children before he married Valencia and the William that married >Elizabeth Montague is a grandson? Anyone like to comment? >Leathel, >Valencia Branch m. William Bowles, May 24, 1802. Henrico Co, VA >1820 - William Bowles - 300110-32110 (William and Valencia ) This record would make William and Valencia between 26 and 44, meaning that they were born between 1776 and 1794. The elder children(?) would have been between 16/18 and 25. If William Jr. was born in 1811/12 as indicated in the 1870 census (see below) then he is not this elder male, so you may be right about a son and/or daughter by a previous marriage. However, they could just as easily be younger siblings of the married couple. I found these records: 1870 Federal Census: Tennessee, Shelby County, Memphis, Fifth Ward, page 154 household 67/78 Bowles, Wm. - 58 M W, cotton buyer KY Bowles, Wm. Jr., - 25 M W, clerk, TN Bowles, Ted (Zed?) - 49 M W, cotton buyer, KY 1870 Federal Census: Tennessee, Shelby County, Memphis, Seventh Ward, page 266 household 445/594 Bowles, Zebula - 48 M W, cotton merchant, KY Bowles, Alvira - 46 F W, TN Bowles, Minnie - 13 F W, TN 1860 Federal Census: Tennessee, Shelby County, Memphis, Seventh Ward, page 94 houshold 709/701 Z. P. Bowles - 35 M, cotton Buyer, KY Elvira Bowles - 36 F, TN Ellen Bowles - 13 F, TN Nannie Bowles - 3 F, TN William Bowles - 16 M, TN

Charlie, the family sheet I have on Thomas Phillp Bowles list William as born 1772. That would put him marker 6 not 5 in 1820. Even if marker 5 is correct and he was born 1776, he could have had two sons over 18 by 1811-12, your John and a William who had William Jr. born 1811-12. Not all the land William owned on Beaver Creek was one farm. Some land was at the begining of Beaver Creek which in 1860 became Metcalfe Co. My thoughts for some time were that John Fleming could be a child of William, since John Fleming is related to Elijah, now I'm thinking it is your John Bowles. Leathel, Census Index:1820 MALES FEMALES 1=00-10 1=00-10 2=11-15 2=11-15 3=16-17 3=16-25 4=18-25 4=26-44 5=26-44 5=45+ 6=45+ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hartley" <hartley@iglou.com> To: <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: William Bowles & Valencia Branch > Leathel wrote... >>William Bowles that married Valencia Branch in 1802 is suppose to be a son >>of Thomas Phillip Bowles and Sarah Bacon. According to Branch researchers >>William and Valencia had a son named William about 1811. What I have found >>is that both William and Valencia were both married to someone else before >>they married in 1802. > > How did you find this? > >>In the 1820 Barren Co census William and Valencia have a male born between >>1776-1794 living with them. I'm thinking that William had children before >>he married Valencia and the William that married Elizabeth Montague is a >>grandson? Anyone like to comment? >>Leathel, > >>Valencia Branch m. William Bowles, May 24, 1802. Henrico Co, VA >>1820 - William Bowles - 300110-32110 (William and Valencia ) > > This record would make William and Valencia between 26 and 44, meaning > that they were born between 1776 and 1794. The elder children(?) would > have been between 16/18 and 25. If William Jr. was born in 1811/12 as > indicated in the 1870 census (see below) then he is not this elder male, > so you may be right about a son and/or daughter by a previous marriage. > However, they could just as easily be younger siblings of the married > couple. > > I found these records: > > 1870 Federal Census: Tennessee, Shelby County, Memphis, Fifth Ward, page > 154 > household 67/78 > Bowles, Wm. - 58 M W, cotton buyer KY > Bowles, Wm. Jr., - 25 M W, clerk, TN > Bowles, Ted (Zed?) - 49 M W, cotton buyer, KY > > 1870 Federal Census: Tennessee, Shelby County, Memphis, Seventh Ward, page > 266 > household 445/594 > Bowles, Zebula - 48 M W, cotton merchant, KY > Bowles, Alvira - 46 F W, TN > Bowles, Minnie - 13 F W, TN > > 1860 Federal Census: Tennessee, Shelby County, Memphis, Seventh Ward, page > 94 > houshold 709/701 > Z. P. Bowles - 35 M, cotton Buyer, KY > Elvira Bowles - 36 F, TN > Ellen Bowles - 13 F, TN > Nannie Bowles - 3 F, TN > William Bowles - 16 M, TN > >