Dear Charles- Following is a brief summary of my Bowles line as I believe it to be and some additional comments. I do, of course, have a great many more details that I will share. Just let me know what you would like to have. I am: Robert Howard Bowles born 4 July 1951 in Dayton, TN. The first child (of three) of Wayne Robert Bowles and Charlotte Louise Holtsinger. My Dad, Wayne Robert Bowles was born 10 December 1914 in Boyer (Pocahontas county), West Virginia. He was the fifth child (of six) of Charles Henry Bowles and Nannie Belle Benedict. He was killed in a construction accident 25 June 1968 in Oak Ridge, TN and is buried in Rockwood, TN. My Grandfather, Charles Henry Bowles was born 18 November 1872 in Glasgow, KY. He was the third (of eight) child of John Brown Bowles and Margaret Ellen Jarvis. He died 13 May 1949 in Knoxville, TN and is buried in Robbinsville, NC. My Greatgrandfather, John Brown Bowles was born 8 January 1837 in Barren County, KY. He was the ninth (of nine) child of Thomas T. Bowles and Mary (Polly) Brown. He died 17 April 1923 and is buried in the Walnut Hill Cemetery near Bon Ayr, KY. I have not personally researched the line from Thomas T. Bowles back. I do have a copy of an 1880 deed where Mary Bowles (the assumed widow of Thomas T.) and the other heirs sold the Bowles property in Barren county. Interestingly it mentions and is signed by both John Brown Bowles and his wife Margaret and Peter M. Bowles and his wife Delila. It is also signed by the other seven children of Thomas T. and Mary. As you can well imagine, I have spent the last two weeks pouring over my genealogical papers looking for some elusive disconnect that would explain the mismatched DNA test results between me and Dale Bowles. I feel like the evidence that supports my descent from Thomas T. Bowles is pretty concrete. However, when I trace Dale and Ed Bowles line back I see no problems with their claims either. Their line back looks pretty concrete also. I have found two discrepancies that do not quite dovetail, but both seem to be fairly explainable. (1) In the 1870 census for Barren county Peter M. Bo(w)les age is listed as 53. That would put him as being born 1 1/2-2 years before the 27 February 1819 marriage of Thomas T. Bowles and Mary (Polly) Brown. I have, however, looked at enough old census reports to realize that this may very well be only a mistake. I have seen several other sources on the Internet that give his birth date as "about 1820". I intend to look further at the Barren county censuses and see if I can find other years that may clarify this. (2) Thus far Dale Bowles is a 24/25 match with kit 29356 William Bowles 1804 NC, a 24/25 match with kit 29524 John Bowles 1777 VA and a 12/12 match with kit 6532 Nells Bowles 1845 GA. I have not yet found anything that ties these Bowleses to the Thomas T. Bowles line. Perhaps the tie is further back at the brothers of Thomas Bowles b: 1761 or his father? It would be great if we had the DNA results for a male descendent of one of Thomas T's other sons-Henry Holman Bowles, Joseph Bowles or Thomas Nathaniel Bowles. Right now I am feeling almost guilty. Like all of this confusion is somehow my fault. Talk with you later. Sincerely-Robert Bowles > [Original Message] > From: Charles Hartley <hartley@iglou.com> > To: <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/7/2005 2:53:28 PM > Subject: A Call for Descendents of Thomas & Sarah Holman Bowles > > If you believe you descend from Thomas and Sarah Holman Bowles, > please contact me privately at [mailto:hartley@iglou.com]. > > In you message, please identify as far as you can your line of > descent from Thomas and Sarah. I am trying to get a handle on this > family for purposes of our DNA project. > > Thanks, > Charlie Hartley > Bowles DNA Project Administrator > [mailto:hartley@iglou.com] >