Ed This is what I think. You and I and Peter Brantly are coz's You and I are from Peter Morris and he is from Henery Holman and they were brothers. Peter back in 1972 talked with my family and told us we were from Thomas 1798 and from Thomas 1761. He also said Thomas 1761 Dad was Valentine 1720 and his Dad was William 1690. I wonder if Peter Brantly was named after Peter Morris His Mother was Genevia Young1924 and his Grandmouther was Edith Bowles 1902 His Dad was William Jos. Bowles 1826. It could be William 1690 Dad was Thomas 16?? and His Dad was John maybe 1581 There is a Valentine and before him a Charles, These two in England. I must say not ony Peter Brantly but a researcher Named Donald Bowles agrees in part of my findings. The most important findings are with Bowles-L where all seems to be helping all of us. Leathel Linnie Ludema,Charley---We couldnt do it without them. See ya, Dale Bowles Dale Bowles major6502@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.