Charles, Randi again.Is this for males only? Charles Hartley <hartley@iglou.com> wrote:I meant that last message to go privately to Jim. As all of you now know, we have our first person to agree formally to be tested. I know that a couple of you indicated your willingness in messages earlier, but for the record I need to have a commitment from you so that I know that I have at least two to test before I contact Mr. Greenspan at Family Tree DNA to set up the group. To let me know, send email to me [mailto:hartley@iglou.com], not to the list. Thanks, Charlie

Charlie, I'll be tested. Thanks for volunteering to be the administrator. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Hartley" <hartley@iglou.com> To: <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: DNA Testing - Important Message > So I have two questions: > > 1. Who wants to be tested? > 2. Do you want me to serve as group administrator to get this set up? > > Let me hear from you. > > Charlie

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: NORCAL-L@rootsweb.com From: Betty <betty@unisette.com> Subject: Sac Union Feb 10, 1868 Sacramento Union Monday, February 10,1868 MARRIED At the residence of the bride's father, Jan. 23d, by the Rev. J.T. HUFF, Maurice TOOMEY to Justina A. C. NORDYKE, all of Sacramento County. At Belleville, Sonoma county, Nov. 19th, Jas. B.L. LOCKETT to Mary C. THOMPSON. At Belleville, Sonoma county, Nov. 19th, George D. COOK to Caroline H. THOMPSON. In Auburn, Feb. 6th, George BERK to Cecilia STOHN. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Caleb BOWLES to Ellen PATTON. In San Francisco, Feb. 5th, M.P. McLAUGHLIN to Minnie SCHRODER. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Albert R. CHURCH to Sarah J. DOLLIVER. In San Francisco, Feb. 7th, Henry C. HOWARD to Julia Celeste BOULDOYRE. In San Francisco, Feb. 4th, Arthur W. BOWMAN to Alice B. CHERVER. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Jos. D. ENAS to Eleanor J. PORTEUR. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Nathan M. SIMONTON to Lizzie SOLOMON. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Joseph B. STATIA to Armenia M. JACKSON. BIRTHS In Redwood City, San Mateo county, Jan. 31st, the wife of Wm. VAN HOOSEN, a daughter In Petaluma, Feb. 5th, the wife of W.A. DOUGLASS, of a daughter. In Oroville, Jan. 31st, the wife of N. ZAMBOLICH, of a son. In San Jose, Jan. 4th, the wife of Wm. ISAACS, of a son. In San Francisco, Feb. 7th, the wife of Jos. THOMPSON, of a daughter. In San Francisco, Feb. 7th, the wife of F.J. METTE, of a daughter. In Aurora (Nev.), Jan 23d, the wife of P.B. COMSTOCK, of a daughter. In Virginia, Feb. 5th, the wife of M. WERTHELMER, of a daughter. DIED In Folsom, Jan. 31st, Maria Lutif, daughter of John H. SEYMOUR, aged 9 months and 29 days. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Rosamond E., wife of Dr. D.W. WHITMORE, of Sacramento, aged 27 years. In Santa Rosa township, Sonoma county, Jan. 30th, Aaron, son of H.V. JONES, aged 7 years, 6 months and 5 days. At Cherokee Flat, Butte county, Jan. 21st, Susie, daughter of P.R. KIRBY, aged 7 months. In Oroville, Jan. 31st, infant son of N. ZAMBOLICH. On Carpenter's Flat, near Oroville, Peter WHITEBREAD, aged 62 years. In Napa, Feb. 1st, Frank, infant son of George W. HACKET, aged 11 months and 12 days. In Petaluma, Feb. 2d, Mary Louisa TUTHILL, aged 26 years. In Sutter Creek, Amador county, Jan. 24th, Mrs. Elizabeth LUTNESKY, aged 49 years. In Drytown, Amador county, Jan. 31st, Walter, son of H. EVANS, aged 5 months. In San Francisco, Feb. 8th, Dr. Johnson PRICE, aged 45 years. In San Francisco, Feb. 7th, Abraham WAGENER, aged 37 years, 7 months and 21 days. In San Francisco, Feb. 7th, Dennis CALMAN, aged 21 years. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Edwin Hayes, only son of E.A. STEVENS, aged 1 year, 1 month and 15 days. In San Francisco, Feb. 6th, Capt. H. O'DONNELL, aged 54 years. In Virginia, Feb. 6th, Charles PUTNAM, son of Dennis E. McCARTHY, aged 1 month and 18 days. MORTALITY REPORT For the week ending Feb. 9th, made by Israel LUCE, Superintendent of the City Cemetery. Office at Aitken & Co's, 131 K street, where all the records may be examined: Feb. 2 - Infant of George BENNETT Feb. 3 - Walter Everett HENRY, aged 1 yr, 8 mos, N.H. Feb. 4 - Harvey WHIPPLE, 25 years, Vermont Feb. 5 - Florence M. JOY, 1 year, California Feb. 6 - Sarah J. JONES, 19 yr, 3 mos and 4 days, Iowa Feb. 7 - Davie BOND, Ò years, Pennsylvania Feb. 8 - infant of S.E. CORDER In addition to the above, there has been brought to the city for interment: Feb. 8 - John Henry LAWSON, from Washington, Yolo, Yolo county, aged 8 years, 10 mos, 28 days, Cal. Causes of death: Meningitis, 1; congestion of brain, 1; typhoid fever, 1; pneumonia, 1'; suicide, 1; diphtheria, 1; stillborn, 2.

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: NYLIVING-L@rootsweb.com From: mydavid@stny.rr.com Subject: Index from Livingston County News, Geneseo, NY / December 09, 2004 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iRB.2ACE/2874 Message Board Post: SURNAME - - GIVEN NAME - - RESIDENCE - - DATE OF DEATH RAYNARD - - Patrick D. - - Avon/Chili - - 11 23 2004 Surnames - - Raynard, Stafford HALL - - James P. - - Perry - - 11 25 2004 Surnames - - Hall, Clark, Hives DEVINNEY - - Margaret M. ’ÄúPeg’Äù - - Springville - - 11 29 2004 Surnames - - DeVinney, Brogan, O’ÄôConnell, O’ÄôDonnell, Stanley MORSCH - - Leo A. ’ÄúPete’Äù - - Livonia - - 11 29 2004 Surnames - - Morsch, Kipp, Johnston LUDWIG - - Edward C. - - Dalton - - 11 30 2004 Surnames - - Ludwig, Shoemaker, Rickets GERACE - - Anthony S. - - Mount Morris - - 12 02 2004 Surnames - - Gerace, Cipolla, Falsone, Lown, Galvin, Barham, Cunningham, Turner, Marquaret, McDonald, Coniglio METZ - - Betty L. - - Springwater - - 12 02 2004 Surnames - - Metz, Ball, Rader, Johnson, Buchanan, Graves, McGrady WARNER - - Irving A. - - Avon - - 12 02 2004 Surnames - - Warner, Stoddard, Toland, Lee GOTCSIK - - Pauline E. - - Eagle Bay - - 12 03 2004 Surnames - - Gotcsik, Burley, LaMere RANFT - - Elfriede ’ÄúFritzi’Äù - - Groveland - - 12 03 2004 Surnames - - Ranft, Reichel, Engel, Carr, Caviglioano DILLON - - Jessie M. - - Fowlerville - - 12 04 2004 Surnames - - Dillon, MacDonald, D’ÄôAngelo KLEIN - - Robert J. - - Henrietta - - 12 04 2004 Surnames - - Klein, Zelt, Pastore, Lund, Benitez, Peckman PICKARD - - Neal A. - - Perry - - 12 06 2004 Surnames - - Pickard, Bowles, Koziel, Hurlburt, Bauer, Morgan, Royce, Lopez If you would like a transcription of an obituary for a person listed above via email, please contact me at mydavid@stny.rr.com

I contacted Bennett Greenspan, President of Family Tree DNA, about the procedures for setting up a Bowles Surname DNA Project. Here is his reply. ----- Here are the general ideas behind surname projects for you to know. Below are full details of our surname projects. Currently we have slightly over 1300 projects underway at Family Tree DNA -- about 85% of all projects to date world wide. We receive over 100,000 visitors a month to our web site, which means and increased chance for individuals to become aware of the existence of a project with your Surname and variants, and join it. We have no project set up fee, we offer free analysis of the results and provide comparative tools for calculating genetic distance. Family Tree DNA is backed by the Molecular Lab for Science and Evolution at the University of Arizona, one of the 5 leading Y-Chromosome universities in the world. We are the only Genetic Genealogy company supported by one of these major Y chromosome labs. We also provide one free Phylogenetic Tree of your family (a graphic pictorial of how members of the group fit together). We suggest that you ask us to produce the tree after most of the results are back.as they make a great keepsake for group members. We also preserve the DNA for 25 years because we know this technology is at its infancy and if you don't preserve the DNA you can't refine a sample when someone passes on...and frankly our clients are typically not spring chickens. We also provide, exclusively, a prediction of the Haplogroup of each person...which locates them on the 'phylogenic' tree of Homo Sapiens...If you ever see The Journey of Man by Spencer Wells -- he's tracing man's deeper ancestral world wide migrations through the 'phylogenic' tree. It's something that you will become familiar with because it's incorporated into our system. After you have had a chance to digest the info, drop me a line to discuss your project and I'll set you up. It's important to have some phone contact with us because there are always aspects of the project that seem to work best when explained on the phone...especially if it's some basic genetic and anthropological theory, but more mundane items like a web page to promote your project, or recruitment strategies and important when you are building a project. When you are ready to talk about your project just email me with a phone # & time to contact you and I'll arrange this!. Starting a Surname Project Below are some tips and techniques for the Group Administrator to start a surname project, as well as the pricing available for Surname Projects. 1. Establish the Project objectives The Y chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged, except for a mutation about every 500 generations. Testing the Y chromosome will provide you with a genetic finger print consisting of 12,25 or 37 numbers. By comparing this finger print to others with your surname, you can determine if they are related. The objectives of Surname Projects vary. Here are a few: Identify others who are related Prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors Solve brick walls in your research Determine a location for further research Validate existing research Often a Surname Project has multiple objectives, and the objectives may even change over the life of the project. Most Surname Projects start with the objective to identify others who are related, and through out the project the other objectives are achieved simply as a result of the project. 2. Select 12, 25 or 37 markers Molecular Biologists and population geneticists at the University of Arizona have developed our panels of markers focusing on what we, genealogists, need to obtain out of the test. It is not just throwing any quantity of markers into a panel. Each marker is chosen for its volatility or stability (mutation rate) along with Anthropological information that can be obtained from the markers. That is why our 37-marker test is the highest resolution test available; we are not dealing strictly with quantity, rather with quality. The next step for your Surname Project is to decide whether you test 12, 25 or 37 markers. Family Tree DNA recommends establishing the Project with the 12-marker Y chromosome test. 12 markers are sufficient to determine whether or not two people are genetically related. In addition, the 12-marker Project price of $99 is more affordable for participants, enabling you to recruit more participants. The value of the 25 or 37 marker test occurs when two participants are related based on the 12-marker test. When participants match with the 12-marker test, the test can be upgraded to 25 markers for an additional fee of $90 and then to 37 for $59. The objective of the upgrade to the 25 or 37 marker test is to further reduce the time frame of the common ancestor between the matching participants. The common ancestor also referred to as the Most Recent Common Ancestor, or MRCA. Typically, participants are very interested in upgrading their 12 marker test to 25 markers when a match occurs. Two individuals are considered related for the 12 marker test if they match 12/12, 11/12, and sometimes with 10/12. In the first two situations, an upgrade to the 25 marker test is recommended. 3. Jump start your project The easiest way to jump start your Surname Project, and to get others interested in participating, is to find the first two participants. Participants must be direct male descendents, since the Y chromosome is passed from father to son. If you are a direct male descendent, you are 50% of the way to jump starting your Surname Project. You'll need to find just one other participant. Most likely you have had contact with others with your Surname during the course of your family history research. One course of action is to select a few of those contacts and write them a letter or email about your project, and ask them to participate as the genetic representative for their line or family. When you get a second participant from this group - you have achieved your jump start for your Surname Project, and you are ready to sign up more participants. If you were unable to get a second participant, expand your contacts until you do. 4. Recruiting Participants Now that you have jump started your project, recruiting participants becomes easier. You might want to revise your letter/email to include information that testing has begun with genetic representatives from two families/lines, to determine if they are related. Including a brief family history of these two families/lines often stimulates interest. Develop a list of potential participants to whom you will send an email/letter. Start with those who you have had contact with in the past regarding your family history research. Don't eliminate the females - they may have a brother or father whom they could ask to participate. Asking for help finding a genetic representative for their family is one approach that often works well. You can find additional potential participants from searching the net, and also online telephone books. 5. Getting the Word out If your surname has an association, be sure to notify the association regarding the project. Send them a brief explanation of the project that they could post on a web site or put in a newsletter. Refer them to your Family Tree DNA project website. Post news about your project to any appropriate mailing lists and other posting sites. 6. Stake a Claim with a web site A web site is extremely helpful for a successful Surname Project, and may help potential participants find your project. There are many sites where you can create a web site for free, and many have tools which make it quick and easy to create a web site. Family Tree DNA has created a cookie cutter web site that we host for free. The site gives you an internet address for your project and will help instill confidence in your DNA project. It takes about 10 minutes to create and you need to absolutely nothing about web site to create your won surname Project website. If you create your own web site start with a simple site, telling people about the project. Once you start getting results back for the participants, you can easily add a chart and other information to the site. 7. Extra, Extra - read all about it Once you start getting results back for participants, you now have Genetic Genealogy News for your web site, your project participants, and others interested in your Surname family history. You might consider creating a short Newsletter about the project and the results to date, and mail this to your list of potential participants and any one with interest in your family history. Be sure to include a paragraph with a request for participants. ------ As a registered Surname Project at Family Tree DNA, your project will receive Project Pricing and a set of tools for the Group Administrator. Plus automatic matching notifications, and a Phylogenetic tree. The Surname Project Pricing is: The Surname Project pricing is: 12 marker Y-DNA* test $99 + postage 12 to 25 Marker Upgrade $90 12 to 37 Marker Upgrade $149 25 marker Y-DNA* test $169 + postage 37 marker Y-DNA* test $229 + postage 25 to 37 Marker Upgrade $59 *Archival storage of your DNA for 25 years in included with all of our tests. The Group Administrator tools include access to the Surname Project at the Family Tree DNA web site, where you can easily order kits, track participants, and down load results. Credit cards are accepted with our Verisign secure on-line order system. Thank you for your interest in Family Tree DNA. If we can provide any additional information or answer any questions, please contact us. Best Regards, Bennett Greenspan President Family Tree DNA http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com ---------- So there you have it. The ball in now in our court. To begin a project, we have to have at least two individual males who are eligible to test for the Bowles surname, and who are prepared to purchase the test. The only thing I would point out about the pricing is that you save $20 by having the 25 marker test done first, rather than doing the 12 marker and then later upgrading to 25. If you do decide to upgrade, you do not need to be re-tested. They just take your sample and test it further. The test is painless, you swab the inside of your cheek with two different swabs and mail them in to be tested. They provide everything you need in the kit. So I have two questions: 1. Who wants to be tested? 2. Do you want me to serve as group administrator to get this set up? Let me hear from you. Charlie

I think you would be an excellant administrator. :) And, IF I can get my male Bowles cousin to take the test, then I want to do this. My Jeremiah Bowles line has been stuck in Franklin County, VA for too long. :) Maybe this will help some. I would also like to link to your Family Tree DNA project website, when it is set up from my site at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ggracie/bindex.html Thank you for your willingness to take on this project. Gracie *List Administrator for Bowles, Stover, and Raleigh County, WV* Charles Hartley wrote: > I contacted Bennett Greenspan, President of Family Tree DNA, about the > procedures for setting up a Bowles Surname DNA Project. Here is his > reply. > > ----- > > Here are the general ideas behind surname projects for you to know. > > Below are full details of our surname projects. Currently we have > slightly over 1300 projects underway at Family Tree DNA -- about 85% > of all projects to date world wide. We receive over 100,000 visitors a > month to our web site, which means and increased chance for > individuals to become aware of the existence of a project with your > Surname and variants, and join it. > > We have no project set up fee, we offer free analysis of the results > and provide comparative tools for calculating genetic distance. Family > Tree DNA is backed by the Molecular Lab for Science and Evolution at > the University of Arizona, one of the 5 leading Y-Chromosome > universities in the world. We are the only Genetic Genealogy company > supported by one of these major Y chromosome labs. > > We also provide one free Phylogenetic Tree of your family (a graphic > pictorial of how members of the group fit together). We suggest that > you ask us to produce the tree after most of the results are back.as > they make a great keepsake for group members. > > We also preserve the DNA for 25 years because we know this technology > is at its infancy and if you don't preserve the DNA you can't refine a > sample when someone passes on...and frankly our clients are typically > not spring chickens. > > We also provide, exclusively, a prediction of the Haplogroup of each > person...which locates them on the 'phylogenic' tree of Homo > Sapiens...If you ever see The Journey of Man by Spencer Wells -- he's > tracing man's deeper ancestral world wide migrations through the > 'phylogenic' tree. It's something that you will become familiar with > because it's incorporated into our system. > > After you have had a chance to digest the info, drop me a line to > discuss your project and I'll set you up. > > It's important to have some phone contact with us because there are > always aspects of the project that seem to work best when explained on > the phone...especially if it's some basic genetic and anthropological > theory, but more mundane items like a web page to promote your > project, or recruitment strategies and important when you are building > a project. > > When you are ready to talk about your project just email me with a > phone # & time to contact you and I'll arrange this!. > > Starting a Surname Project > > Below are some tips and techniques for the Group Administrator to > start a surname project, as well as the pricing available for Surname > Projects. > > 1. Establish the Project objectives > > The Y chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged, except for a > mutation about every 500 generations. Testing the Y chromosome will > provide you with a genetic finger print consisting of 12,25 or 37 > numbers. By comparing this finger print to others with your surname, > you can determine if they are related. > > The objectives of Surname Projects vary. Here are a few: > > Identify others who are related Prove or disprove theories regarding > ancestors Solve brick walls in your research Determine a location for > further research Validate existing research > > Often a Surname Project has multiple objectives, and the objectives > may even change over the life of the project. > > Most Surname Projects start with the objective to identify others who > are related, and through out the project the other objectives are > achieved simply as a result of the project. > > 2. Select 12, 25 or 37 markers > > Molecular Biologists and population geneticists at the University of > Arizona have developed our panels of markers focusing on what we, > genealogists, need to obtain out of the test. It is not just throwing > any quantity of markers into a panel. Each marker is chosen for its > volatility or stability (mutation rate) along with Anthropological > information that can be obtained from the markers. That is why our > 37-marker test is the highest resolution test available; we are not > dealing strictly with quantity, rather with quality. > > The next step for your Surname Project is to decide whether you test > 12, 25 or 37 markers. Family Tree DNA recommends establishing the > Project with the 12-marker Y chromosome test. 12 markers are > sufficient to determine whether or not two people are genetically > related. In addition, the 12-marker Project price of $99 is more > affordable for participants, enabling you to recruit more participants. > > The value of the 25 or 37 marker test occurs when two participants are > related based on the 12-marker test. When participants match with the > 12-marker test, the test can be upgraded to 25 markers for an > additional fee of $90 and then to 37 for $59. The objective of the > upgrade to the 25 or 37 marker test is to further reduce the time > frame of the common ancestor between the matching participants. The > common ancestor also referred to as the Most Recent Common Ancestor, > or MRCA. > > Typically, participants are very interested in upgrading their 12 > marker test to 25 markers when a match occurs. Two individuals are > considered related for the 12 marker test if they match 12/12, 11/12, > and sometimes with 10/12. In the first two situations, an upgrade to > the 25 marker test is recommended. > > 3. Jump start your project > > The easiest way to jump start your Surname Project, and to get others > interested in participating, is to find the first two participants. > Participants must be direct male descendents, since the Y chromosome > is passed from father to son. If you are a direct male descendent, > you are 50% of the way to jump starting your Surname Project. You'll > need to find just one other participant. > > Most likely you have had contact with others with your Surname during > the course of your family history research. One course of action is to > select a few of those contacts and write them a letter or email about > your project, and ask them to participate as the genetic > representative for their line or family. > > When you get a second participant from this group - you have achieved > your jump start for your Surname Project, and you are ready to sign up > more participants. If you were unable to get a second participant, > expand your contacts until you do. > > 4. Recruiting Participants > > Now that you have jump started your project, recruiting participants > becomes easier. You might want to revise your letter/email to include > information that testing has begun with genetic representatives from > two families/lines, to determine if they are related. Including a > brief family history of these two families/lines often stimulates > interest. > > Develop a list of potential participants to whom you will send an > email/letter. Start with those who you have had contact with in the > past regarding your family history research. Don't eliminate the > females - they may have a brother or father whom they could ask to > participate. Asking for help finding a genetic representative for > their family is one approach that often works well. > > You can find additional potential participants from searching the net, > and also online telephone books. > > 5. Getting the Word out > > If your surname has an association, be sure to notify the association > regarding the project. Send them a brief explanation of the project > that they could post on a web site or put in a newsletter. Refer them > to your Family Tree DNA project website. > > Post news about your project to any appropriate mailing lists and > other posting sites. > > 6. Stake a Claim with a web site > > A web site is extremely helpful for a successful Surname Project, and > may help potential participants find your project. There are many > sites where you can create a web site for free, and many have tools > which make it quick and easy to create a web site. > > Family Tree DNA has created a cookie cutter web site that we host for > free. The site gives you an internet address for your project and > will help instill confidence in your DNA project. It takes about 10 > minutes to create and you need to absolutely nothing about web site to > create your won surname Project website. > > If you create your own web site start with a simple site, telling > people about the project. Once you start getting results back for the > participants, you can easily add a chart and other information to the > site. > > 7. Extra, Extra - read all about it > > Once you start getting results back for participants, you now have > Genetic Genealogy News for your web site, your project participants, > and others interested in your Surname family history. You might > consider creating a short Newsletter about the project and the results > to date, and mail this to your list of potential participants and any > one with interest in your family history. Be sure to include a > paragraph with a request for participants. > > ------ > > As a registered Surname Project at Family Tree DNA, your project will > receive Project Pricing and a set of tools for the Group Administrator. > > Plus automatic matching notifications, and a Phylogenetic tree. > > The Surname Project Pricing is: > > The Surname Project pricing is: > > 12 marker Y-DNA* test $99 + postage > 12 to 25 Marker Upgrade $90 > 12 to 37 Marker Upgrade $149 > 25 marker Y-DNA* test $169 + postage > 37 marker Y-DNA* test $229 + postage > 25 to 37 Marker Upgrade $59 > > *Archival storage of your DNA for 25 years in included with all of our > tests. > > The Group Administrator tools include access to the Surname Project at > the Family Tree DNA web site, where you can easily order kits, track > participants, and down load results. > > Credit cards are accepted with our Verisign secure on-line order system. > > Thank you for your interest in Family Tree DNA. If we can provide any > additional information or answer any questions, please contact us. > > Best Regards, > > Bennett Greenspan > President Family Tree DNA > http://www.FamilyTreeDNA.com > > ---------- > > So there you have it. The ball in now in our court. To begin a > project, we have to have at least two individual males who are > eligible to test for the Bowles surname, and who are prepared to > purchase the test. > > The only thing I would point out about the pricing is that you save > $20 by having the 25 marker test done first, rather than doing the 12 > marker and then later upgrading to 25. If you do decide to upgrade, > you do not need to be re-tested. They just take your sample and test > it further. > > The test is painless, you swab the inside of your cheek with two > different swabs and mail them in to be tested. They provide everything > you need in the kit. > > > So I have two questions: > > 1. Who wants to be tested? > 2. Do you want me to serve as group administrator to get this set up? > > Let me hear from you. > > Charlie > > >

Someone should contact Danny Bowles, who is a descendant of the Metcalfe County Bowles line. Ludema Bowles -----Original Message----- From: BrendaBP@aol.com Sent: Dec 10, 2004 9:50 AM To: BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Possible Bowles DNA Project I have been really sidetracked from Bowles research recently, but wanted to jump in on the DNA discussion. This is something I have been thinking about with regard to my two major lines that are totally blocked at this point: Bowles and Ballard. With my Bowles line, my family certainly can provide a direct Bowles descendant since my mother's maiden name was Bowles and her brother is still living (and he has sons). So, that would cover a major Bowles line in NC, going back to about 1765. Also, I believe I can get participation from the Erskine Bowles line (this would be Mary Ann Null's line) descended from Elizabeth Bowles who d. about 1783 in NC. That would take care of another major Bowles line in NC. Then, I think we could get someone from the William Bowles of Stokes Co. line. I think Terry Boles might be a direct Bowles descendant of that line. So, that would cover yet another major NC Bowles line. I believe the basic DNA test would tell us what the statistical probability is that these lines come from the same ancestor. And possibly, if enough Virginia lines were tested, we could know which, if any, of the Virginia lines could be potential sources for the NC lines. Speaking just in terms of the NC lines, I think it would be very helpful to be able to identify a descendant from an early Pennsylvania Bowles line. It seems very likely that at least some of the NC Bowles lines traveled directly from early PA into NC. I would be very willing to work on getting all the NC lines into the database by identifying and contacting direct male descendants. Brenda

Hi why don't you contact the Lawson name study group in England. Their records go back further, contact Gerald D. Lawson vist www.yorksgen.org.uk I have both Lawson and Bowles in my tree though, none went to the U.S.A. Brian Leathel Bowles wrote: > I know some Lawson researchers don't think they are the same because you can > find both of these names into the 1700's. We have found over 30 ways to > spell Bowles, about half are being used today. So much for that. The reason > for posting to both list about the Lawson- Cawsey is you will find some > surnames that are connected to both families.I guess I had better start back > in 1607 with Nathaniel Cawsey. At this point we know Nathaniel was married > in 1609. We don't know anything about his children, or if he had any. > Leathel, > > Nathaniell Cawsey by Phoenix 1607; Thomasine his wife by Lion 1609; Thomas > Cawsey by Francis Bonaventure 1620. Servants; > Edward Denison 22 by Truelove 1623, > James Bonner 20 by Truelove 1623, > James Dore 19 by Bona Nova 1621, > Laurance Evans 15 by James 1622, > Joane Winscomb 20 by George 1618 > > Nathaniel Cawsey, who came in 1607, and his wife Thomasine, who came in > 1609, were living with 5 servants at Charles City. The town of Charles City > was at the present City Point, at the mouth of the Appomattox. The lands > belonging to these men was called, after the alliterative fashion of the > time, " Cawsey's Care," and was represented under that name in the House of > Burgesses in 1632. From this name was derived the later "Cawsons," long a > seat of the Bland family, and the birthplace of John Randolph of Roanoke. > > In the 1622 Indian massacre, Nathaniel Cawsey killed a Indian with a ax by > splitting his head to save his family, the other indians fleed. He was not > killed. The Indians killed most of the people living south of James River. > The attack began on both sides of the James River at precisely eight o' > clock on the morning of April 1, 1622. Only 893 people were left in VA after > the massacre in 1622.

In 1624 Christopher was in James City Co with wife Alice. Their son Thomas died.Henry Southy and family were in James City Co in 1624,also.Christopher and Alice seem to be missing until 1635? I have more, just wanted to get to this point today. Leathel, 1624 James City Co, VA Christopher Lawson & Wife Thomas Lawson, Dead 1625 James City Co, VA Christopher Lawson & Wife Alice BOLES // 1637 // James City Co. VA // James City Co, May 23rd, 1637. Richard Bell, Christopher Lawson, Anthony ?(Lawson), Robert Roles (Boles), George Boles, by Harvey. Lying over against the land of John Demsey (Densey). John Denseys land on Tanks Pasbye hayes Creek. Very important piece of information. North of James River. May 23d 1637, RICHARD BELL and CHRISTOPHER LAWSON, 500 acres in the county of James City, beginning at a little Indian field, lying over against the land of John Demsey. Due 200, purchased by Richard Bell from Alexander Homer, and 50 acres from Thomas Taylor (due Taylor for his own personal adventure), and 250 acres due said Lawson for the transportation of five persons, William Reynolds, William Coyle, Roger Andrewes, Anthony () , Ann Drawater. By Harvey, May 23d 1637. (Anthony Lawson) SOURCE Early Virginia Immigrants 1623-1666 by George Cabell Greer. 1635, Alice LAWSON, by Capt William Pierse 1635,Elizabeth LAWSON, 1636, Robert LAWSON, by Lewis Denwood, Accomack CO 1636, Hugh LAWSON, by James Vanerit, Elizabeth City CO 1637, Eliza LAWSON, by Capt. Adam Touroughgood, New Norfolk CO NOTE: also an entry for her in 1635. 1638, Rowland LAWSON, by Epaphroditus LAWSON, Upper Norfolk CO. 1638, William LAWSON, by Epaphroditus LAWSON, Upper Norfolk CO. 1638, Lettice LAWSON, by Epaphroditus LAWSON, Upper Norfolk CO. 1639, William LAWSON, by Thomas Mathews, Henrico CO 1653, Susan LAWSON, by Tho. Kibby, Northumberland CO 1653, Ann LAWSON, by Corbet Piddle, Northumberland CO 1654 William LAWSON, by Chriostopher Boon, Westmoreland CO 1655, George LAWSON, by Jer. Dodson, Lancaster CO May 1,1638, Christopher Lawson, 400 in James City. upon " Rolphe's Creek. August 22, 1642, William Lawson, 491 in Isle of Wight, on Lowne's Creek and James River.

There is one son that I know about missing from John Smith's History of Virginia, that would be Christopher Lawson. If he named a son after his brother Anthony, he named one John, after his brother John? Leathel, LAWSON FAMILY Thomas Lawson settled at a very early period in Virginia. His name is mentioned in a printed book (see Hanson's Maryland) " sent out by the Treasurer & Council in this present year 1620", He married Miss Bray (daughter of Col. Robert Bray, Antiquary), and had children; Anthony Lawson and George Lawson. (see John Smith's History of Virginia). ANTHONY LAWSON. Col. Anthony Lawson, son of Thomas Lawson, above named, ,,as appointed sheriff of Princess Anne County,Virginia, by John Blair, Commander-in-Chief of the Colony and Dominion of Va. Served in the army of Virginia during the administrations of Govs. Sir William Berkeley, Herbert ]effreys and Henry Chicheley and was conspicuous in the suppression of Bacon's rebellion of 1676. He married Elizabeth Westgate, and had issue, viz: Thomas, and Margaret Lawson, who married John Thoroughgood and Mary Lawson who married Thomas Walke. Col. Anthony Lawson, afterwards married Mary Gookin widow of William Moseley (2nd), in 1672. Lower Norfolk Co., Va. At a Court held the 15th January, 1678-9, Capt. Wm. Robinson, Mr. Adam Keeling, Mr. Henry Spratt, Capt. Anthony Lawson, justices, did try Alice, the wife of Thomas Cartwrite for witchcraft. ., Lt. Cot Anthony Lawson was trustee with William Robinson to buy 50 acres of land and layout the town of Norfolk. "Norfolk Co., Va., 16th Nov., I687". At a Court held 15th Sept., 1687. Present: Capt. Wm. Robinson, Capt. Jno. Hattone, Lt. Col. Lawson. Mr. Benony Burrough, & Mr. Patrick White, Justices. Whereas, upon Complaint of Hugh Campbell in the behalf of our Sovereign Lord, the King, one Raymond who pretends himself a papist priest was summoned to this Court for the Illegal marriage of Mary Bustian, widow , of this county, to one John Brockwell of Nanzemond County, etc." Evidently this was the introduction of Roman Catholicism into the Colony. LAWSON LINE. Thomas Lawson married Miss Bray. Anthony Lawson married Elizabeth Westgate. Mary Lawson married Thomas Walke. Anthony Walke married (Ist) Anna Armistead. Anthony Lawson married 1672, (2nd) Mary (Gookin)Moseley, wife of William Moseley William Walke married Mary Calvert.

I guess Nathaniel & Thomasine Cawsey had children after all. I believe we have three sons for starters: Thomas, John, and Anthony. It is time to see if Thomas Cawsey had any children before he married Elizabeth Southy. Leathel, August 6,1635, Accomack Co, John Causey (son of Nathaniel Causey)was a servant to William Berriman. On August 12, 1646, Walter Aston patented 1040 Ac near Shirley Hundred, on Kimage's creek. 200 Ac of which, known as " Cawsey's Care " were purchased in 1634 by Aston of John Cawsey, being the same land patent to Nathaniel Cawsey, Dec 10, 1620. Among the documents of the General Assembly for 1625 has been found a petition as to the importation of tobacco and as to the conduct of Capt. John Martin, signed by John Price, Luke Boyse, George Yeardley, Francis West, Isaac Chaptin, Wm. Tucker, Thomas Osbourne, Ralph Hamour, Richard Taylor, Francis Epps, Sam Matthews, Wm. Claybourne, George Sanders and others. The Minutes of the Council and General Court 1622-9 from the originals in the Library of Congress have an affidavit of John Price as to Capt. John Martin. The Roll of the General Assembly for 1625 from the Wyatt documents show Luke Boyse and John Price represented The Necke of Land on 10 May 1625. The full Roll was: Sir Francis Wyatt, Kt., Governor; George Sanders Esq., Capt. Francis West, Sir George Yeardley, Kt,Capt. John Martin, Capt. Roger Smith, Capt. Ralph Hamour, Capt. Samuel Matthews, Abram Persey, Esq., Wm. Claybourne, Esq. For the College: Lt. Thos. Osborne and Richard Tiler. For the Neck of Land : Mr. Luke Boyse, John Price. For Shirley's Hundred : Ensign Francis Epps, Mr. Richard Bigges. For Jourdan's Journey and Chaplaine's Choise : Ensign Isaac Chaplaine, MR. ANTHONY CAWSEY. For Martin's Hundred : Mr. Wm. Harwood, Mr. Ellis Emerson. For Corporation of Elizabeth City: Capt. Wm. Tucker, John Downman.

We have Thomas Cawsey coming to VA in 1620 and in two locations by 1624. In 1624 he is in Charles City Co with Nathaniel and his wife.What is the relationship between Thomas and Nathaniel whose wife was Thomasine in 1609? How old was Thomas in 1624, if he married Elizabeth Southy at some time, who had several children in 1624 when her husband died? Was he married in 1624? I think I can answer that, but first I need to send another post or two. Leathel, Thomas Cawsey was living at Hog Island, Feb., 1623. In 1624-5 Thomas Cawsey was living at Charles City. He came to Virginia in 1620. In 1620, Nathaniel Cawsey, who came in 1607, and his wife Thomasine, who came in 1609, were living with 5 servants at Charles City. The town of Charles City was at the present City Point, at the mouth of the Appomattox. The lands belonging to these men was called, after the alliterative fashion of the time, " Cawsey's Care," and was represented under that name in the House of Burgesses in 1632. From this name was derived the later "Cawsons," long a seat of the Bland family, and the birthplace of John Randolph of Roanoke. (312) THOMAS CAUSEY [1],300 acres at the mouth of Appomattuck river on the south side; bounded on the west by a great creek, and on the east by a small creek called Costine's field creek; due for the transportation of 6 persons. Granted by West, May 2, 1636. Thomas Causey, April 18, 1635, Charles City Co., 150 Ac, bounded due north by Jordan's Journey, south by Champline Choice. Thomas Causey, May 2, 1636, 300 Ac, Charles City Co. Thomas Causey, July 14,1637, 500 Ac, Charles City Co. Thomas Cawsey by Francis Bonaventure 1620. Nathaniell Cawsey by Phoenix 1607; Thomasine his wife by Lion 1609; servants Edward Denison 22 by Truelove 1623, James Bonner 20 by Truelove 1623, James Dore 19 by Bona Nova 1621, Laurance Evans 15 by James 1622, Joane Winscomb 20 by George 1618

It is a bit confusing about how the Y-DNA test works for surnames. Let me see if I can explain it further. As most of you remember from your science classes, only a male contributes the Y chromosome to the creation of a child (male has xy; female has xx), so if the male contributes the y chromosome the child will be male, if the x chromosome the child will be female. Thus females never have the Y chromosome, so females cannot take the Y-DNA test. A small section of the male Y chromosome (with rare mutations) is transmitted from father to son intact with no changes. It is this small section that is used to test for genealogical relationships in males. Thus, since my mother was my Bowles ancestor, even though I am male, I cannot test for Bowles since it was my father who provided my Y chromosome. Or to put it another way, if your father was a Bowles, and you are his son, then you can test for the Bowles line. Otherwise, it won't work. Sorry ladies. You will have to find a male Bowles somewhere in your line to test. After you test, you can opt to include your results in what is called Y Search. The value in this is that even if your test does not match someone now, it will remain in the database and if someone down the road tests and matches with you, both of you will be notified by email of this match. That is what I am presently hoping for in my surname search. I have taken the liberty of writing to the folks at Family Tree DNA to request information about setting up a surname group. When it arrives I will share it here and then you can decide if you want to proceed. As I said earlier, I am willing to administer the group if you like. It sounds like a number of you are willing to be tested. That's good for the more who test, the better the chances of finding matches. If you want to see how an active surname project works, I recommend that you visit the site at http://pacesociety.org/DNA/results.htm and see how the Pace group is set up. Charlie

I know some Lawson researchers don't think they are the same because you can find both of these names into the 1700's. We have found over 30 ways to spell Bowles, about half are being used today. So much for that. The reason for posting to both list about the Lawson- Cawsey is you will find some surnames that are connected to both families.I guess I had better start back in 1607 with Nathaniel Cawsey. At this point we know Nathaniel was married in 1609. We don't know anything about his children, or if he had any. Leathel, Nathaniell Cawsey by Phoenix 1607; Thomasine his wife by Lion 1609; Thomas Cawsey by Francis Bonaventure 1620. Servants; Edward Denison 22 by Truelove 1623, James Bonner 20 by Truelove 1623, James Dore 19 by Bona Nova 1621, Laurance Evans 15 by James 1622, Joane Winscomb 20 by George 1618 Nathaniel Cawsey, who came in 1607, and his wife Thomasine, who came in 1609, were living with 5 servants at Charles City. The town of Charles City was at the present City Point, at the mouth of the Appomattox. The lands belonging to these men was called, after the alliterative fashion of the time, " Cawsey's Care," and was represented under that name in the House of Burgesses in 1632. From this name was derived the later "Cawsons," long a seat of the Bland family, and the birthplace of John Randolph of Roanoke. In the 1622 Indian massacre, Nathaniel Cawsey killed a Indian with a ax by splitting his head to save his family, the other indians fleed. He was not killed. The Indians killed most of the people living south of James River. The attack began on both sides of the James River at precisely eight o' clock on the morning of April 1, 1622. Only 893 people were left in VA after the massacre in 1622.

I have been really sidetracked from Bowles research recently, but wanted to jump in on the DNA discussion. This is something I have been thinking about with regard to my two major lines that are totally blocked at this point: Bowles and Ballard. With my Bowles line, my family certainly can provide a direct Bowles descendant since my mother's maiden name was Bowles and her brother is still living (and he has sons). So, that would cover a major Bowles line in NC, going back to about 1765. Also, I believe I can get participation from the Erskine Bowles line (this would be Mary Ann Null's line) descended from Elizabeth Bowles who d. about 1783 in NC. That would take care of another major Bowles line in NC. Then, I think we could get someone from the William Bowles of Stokes Co. line. I think Terry Boles might be a direct Bowles descendant of that line. So, that would cover yet another major NC Bowles line. I believe the basic DNA test would tell us what the statistical probability is that these lines come from the same ancestor. And possibly, if enough Virginia lines were tested, we could know which, if any, of the Virginia lines could be potential sources for the NC lines. Speaking just in terms of the NC lines, I think it would be very helpful to be able to identify a descendant from an early Pennsylvania Bowles line. It seems very likely that at least some of the NC Bowles lines traveled directly from early PA into NC. I would be very willing to work on getting all the NC lines into the database by identifying and contacting direct male descendants. Brenda

Hello Leathel, I am game for the DNA. I think I can get one of my grandfather's brothers to submit a sample. We all look similar. Kelly Bowles

I would really like to get in touch with someone who has some information on the Bowles from Ky. that moved to the lubbock texas area.. James C Bowles. I beliveve he had brothers and sisters also. Georgie and Ada I believe are his sisters. If anyone can help me please let me know.. Thank you Gina Charles Hartley <hartley@iglou.com> wrote:Before you jump into DNA testing with two feet, please do go to the links I gave in my last message and read up on what DNA testing will and won't tell you. Generally speaking, if you and another Bowles descendent test with the 25 marker test and match up on all 25 markers, what that means is that there is a 50% likelihood that you share a common ancestor within the last 7 generations; a 90% likelihood that you share a common ancestor within the last 23 generations, and a 95% likelihood that you share a common ancestor within the last 30 generations. While these numbers can be tweaked a bit, what they should tell you is that this test will NOT tell you definitively if you share great-grandfathers. We won't get into the question of mutations in markers here, read the info on the websites I listed. So what good is DNA testing? What you need to do is use it in relation with what you already know from other documentation. For example if you know that your Bowles ancestor was in Barren County KY between 1800-1820, and you match up with someone else who also had such an ancestor then there is a stronger likelihood that these ancestors were related somehow. Don't forget the negative side of DNA testing. It can help you to rule out relationships more quickly than it can confirm them. Then there is always the possibility of two folks who really believe that they are descended from the same ancestor, and have documentation to prove it, finding out that one of them isn't a Bowles descendent after all. If you can't handle the possibility that this might be true of you, don't test. What about the cost? Well, the last time I checked the cost for a 25 marker Y-DNA test was $169. This is the group rate. Yes it is a bit high, but think for a minute how much you already have invested in genealogy in both time and money. Truthfully the more folks who get involved with this, the more likely it is that you will learn something valuable. Feel free to ask questions, but do read the stuff on the websites. Charlie --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! � What will yours do?

We Bowles researchers know there were more than one way to spell Bowles back in those days. I'm going to start with the end for Thomas (which ever way you want to spell his name). Elizabeth has done it again, this time she married John Straton. Not sure if the Elizabeth Causon (arrested 1640) is the same Elizabeth. Could be the Elizabeth Lawson that immigrated in 1636? Why I think Lawson and Causon are the same. Next post. Watch out for the Thorowgoods and Gookins. Leathel, Aug 3,1640, VA Mag, 40,p,136. Robert Body, age 23 years or thereabouts, sworn and examined, sayeth,that after he had arrested Elizabeth Causon, she wished that she were able to come to the court for is she were,she would make Mrs. Thorowgood a shamed and also wished for one other horses to carry her and further this deponent sayeth not. Between 1651 - 1654 Norfolk Co, VA P5, Letters of Admr. to Elizabeth Causon, widow, on estate of Thomas Causon dec'd, her late husband. Norfolk Co, VA. 1651-1654 p.18. Ordered Recorded 16 Aug 1652. That [we] Collonell Willam Clawborne [sic] and Lettenent Colonell Cornelius Loyd, arbitrators of a difference between George Fletcher, gent. admr of Capt: William Dugils and Cumpaney, and Mr John Straton now husband of the wife of Thomas Causon dec'd, that Straton pay Fletcher 6000 lb tobo owed by Causon. Dated 17 August 1652. Signed William Clauborne, Cornelius Loyd. p.18. A suit long depending between John Straton pItf and Mrs Sarah Gookin deft on behalf of the orphans of Capt Adam Tborowgood. Now Stratton on behalf of himself and Capt Edward Windham on bebaIf of Mrs Gookin and the orphan agree concerning the land In question. Stratton to relinq all cIafm to 600 acres on Eastern Shore of Lynhaven River according to a survey made by Edmund Scbarbarrow. Also Stratton to relinq cIaim to a parcel of land cleared and sold by Mr John Gookin to Mr Thomas Cason being about 20 acres. That Mrs Gookin shall from henceforth cease to molest him the sd John Stratton concerning 200 acres granted to Robert Came and by him bequeathed unto Ann Thorowgood the daughter of Capt Adam Thorowgood: provided that sd Jno Stratton "doe sufer her to injoy the same peaceably" etc.. etc. ThIs agreement dated 20 March 1645/6. Signed Edward Windham, John x Stratton. Wit: William Edwards, X'pfor Burrowes. p.19. Inventory of est of Thomas Casson, dec'd. Appraised 28 June 1652, by X'pfor Burrowes, Thomas Hall, Robt Davis and Edward Cannon. Totals 28170 lb tobo. Includes: Item #1 two seasoned men servants, one for three yeares other for fower yeares, Item #2 4000 lb tobo, Item #3 one maide servant for one yeare and a halfe or there abouts 0600 Item #4 three new mem and boy servants 4500

In 1636 it says "William Laighton and Henry Southell", well Henry died in 1624? Elizabeth Southy married Lieut. Richard Popeley and William Laighton some time before she married Thomas (Casson) Lawson. Thomas died in 1652. More on Thomas in next post. Elizabeth gave John Bowles a deed of gift (no date). John was married to an Anna when he died in 1664 in Elizabeth City Co. Anna went to court in 1667 in Norfolk Co for some land that John had willed to his son John in 1664. This land must have been from Anna,s side of the family? The land that Anna received in Northampton Co may have stayed with the Littleton's. There was a Southy Littleton Dist. in Northampton Co,VA. Thomas Bowles lived in it? Leathel, Land in Elizabeth City Co, later Norfolk Co, VA William Laighton & Henry Southell, of the BACK RIVER, to JOHN BOWLES, of the BACK RIVER, all that plantation whereon sd. Laighton now dwelleth, containing 50 acs. E. upon the River, s. upon William Morgan, & N. upon Henry Southell. Oct 14, 1636. Page 738. Witnesses: Geo. Ward, Isaac Wongan (Morgan), Tho. Heath, & Tho. Milton. William Armestead, of Eliz. City Co. to JOHN BOWLES, 20 acs. Of land in sd. County, running alon N. side of BOWLES' 50 acs. By deed of guift from Mrs. Elizabeth Southwell, & 16 acs. More lying Southerly upon William Morgan. William Morgan, alias Brookes, 100 acs. In Eliz. City Co., 22 May 1637. Upon the narrow of the BACK RIVER E. by S. into the main land, N. upon a creek which parts same from land of JOHN BOWLES & S. upon land of Robert Goodman. Due for the trans. Of two servts: Constantine and John Pugsley June 11, 1641, p 737 Consideration: patent of 100 acs granted to Thomas Keeling, Nov. 18,1635, accrewing due unto THOMAS CASSON in right of his wife Elizabeth, formerly wife and relict of William Laighton & since assigned by Casson unto sd BOWLES. Also certificate of 40 acs to be delivered by sd. BOWLES. June 11, 1641, p 737. Witnesses: Samll. Abbott & John Mead

I'm sending this to both list because it has information that concerns both lists.Remember some time back I made some post taking the Bowles and Lawsons from England to the Back River in VA. The Back River was in Elizabeth City Co then Norfolk Co (Lower Norfolk) now in Princess Anne.Now I guess you want to know who Elizabeth Southy was? First I don't know her maiden name, but she was the wife of Henry Southy. Henry Southy died in 1624 in James City Co leaving his wife Elizabeth and daughter Anna. I believe he had at least 2 daughters that were married at the time. Their husbands Thomas Brown and a Painter (Paynter), who were also dead in 1624. I'm going to jump a head to 1643 with more information about this family below. Back to the 1630's in next post concerning the Bowles and Lawsons. Leathel, 16 February 1624. List of the names of the living in Virginia and of those who have died since April 1623: At James City & with the Corporation thereof Living: Mrs. Sothey; Ann Sothey; Dead: Mr. Sothey; Henry Sothey; Thomas Sothey; Mary Sothey; Elizabeth Sothey; others. LAND CERTIFICATES FOR NORTHAMPTON COUNTY,VA Court Oct. 30, 1643 Cert. granted to Mrs. Anne Littleton in right of her father Henry Southy, Esqr. for following: Henry Southy Esq., Roger Delke, Tho. Lewis Elizabeth his wife, Tho. Shoare, Robt. Swamp, Henry Southy his child, Valentine Sentell, Roger Marshall, Thomas ), Mary ), Elizabeth ) Servants, Tynak Woolley, Anne Simes, Will Bricklayer, Richd Willows,John Davenport, Alice Dammock, John Rose, Thos Browne, Elleno Paynter, Margarett Chartier, Sarah Sharley, Dynah Glower