We've been down this path before. He name was Celia White, not Lelia. I have a transcription of this document at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/documents/obwhitedoc09.html] as well as a second one at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/documents/obwhitedoc08.html] that spells the name as Sealia. Finally, information about John and Celia Bowles and their family is located at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/johnbowles/bowlesindex.html]. Charlie >===================================================================== >Match: Bowles >Source: KYBARREN-L@rootsweb.com >From: sgorin@glasgow-ky.com >Subject: WHITE & BOWLES to AKERS - Power of Attorney 1817 > > >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Surnames: White, Bowles, Akers, Arthur >Classification: Deed > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TAB.2ACI/14089 > >Message Board Post: > >NOTE: I have no connection. > >From: Obediah White, Guardian for Obediah, Austin, Eliz. nd >Middleton White and John Bowles who married Lelia White >To: William Akers >Date: 1817 >Type: Power of Atorney re inheritance from John Arthur, Executor of >estate of his father - both of VA - Bedford and Franklin Co. > >Barren Co KY Deed Book E, p. 183

Ludema Bowles -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Linne Gravestock <linne@gravestock.name> ==> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:57:08 -0800 ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYNELSON-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard/Ann Gough Bob, Bob Moore, Betty sent me this again, it concerns Thomas Howard who died 1810 in Nelson County, Ky whose wife was Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles from St. Mary's County, Maryland. Thomas Howard's father was an Edward Howard who came to Nelson County, KY in 1787, not sure when he died, but he was from St. Mary's County, Maryland. Based on his sons age of birth I have Edward Howard born abt or before 1820. I personally believe him to be an Uncle to my John Baptst Howard born abt 1845 who married Elizabeth Johnson daughter of David Johnson, and his brother James Howard born 17 Apr 1752 who married Mary Jackson, there is likely another brother who had a son William Howard who married Ann Clarke. But so far the Howard's of St. Mary's County, Maryland who came to Kentucky did not leave us much evidence or at least we have not found it yet. John Baptist Howard died 1803 in Nelson County, Ky and Elizabeth Johnson had: Charles Howard who married Mary Cissell on 22 Dec 1796 Nelson, County, KY Sarah Howard who married Mathew Cissell on 11 Mar 1795 washington County, KY Henry Howard who married Nancy Spalding on 22 Apr 1816 in Washington County, KY daughter of Stephen Spalding and Ann ? George Howard who married Mary "Polly" Merrifield 15 Nov 1798 Nelson County, KY daughter of Thomas Merrifield John William Howard who married Bridget Greer (dau. Of Lawrence Greer and Elizabeth Wiseman)on 18 Feb 1800 Nelson County, KY Mary "Polly" Howard who married ? Carby or Kirby Eleanor "Nelly Baptist Howard who married Abraham Bray on 31 Jan 1797, Nelson County, KY Joseph Howard- have not identified him yet. James Howard who died 1802 in Washington County, KY and Mary Jackson had: Charles Howard who married Frances "Fanny" Thompson Richard Howard married 1st to Morning ? married 2nd to Louisa Howard daughter of Charles Howard and Frances "Fanny" Thompson. William James Howard who married Martha Hamilton on 23 Apr 1796 Washington County, KY daughter of Leonard Hamilton. Anny Howard who married Robert H. Wimsatt Mary "Mollie" Howard who married Thomas Forrest on 14 Apr 1804 Washington County, KY married 2nd to Samuel Elliot on 25 April 1814 Washington County, KY Susanna Howard who married Joseph Tinsley 4 Sep 1800 Washington County, KY Teresa Howard who married David Cripps Catherine Howard who married Charles Vessells on 23 Oct 1799 Washington County, KY I also believe that Reason Howard who married Betsy Brashears is also related closely to John Baptist howard and James Howard. And if I have date of birth correctly of William Howard born abt 1863 who died nov 1860 who married Ann Clarke is also related closely to John Baptist howard and James Howard. I also believe there was a Charles Howard who came early to Nelson County, KY, but I'm not sure if he could be the same one who married Frances Thompson, or the Charles Howard who married Mary Cissell. From: BettyY5919@aol.com [mailto:BettyY5919@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:16 PM To: jerry876@comcast.net Subject: Thomas Howard Hi Jerry I've been following the conversation on the Nelson list. I thought maybe the history of St Thomas might help Bob determine something from the tax lists. He most likely knows where St Thomas is. By the way, St Thomas is quite a ways from Cox's Creek. Betty History of St. Thomas Church, Bardstown, Kentucky (Founded 1812) Early Catholic pioneers, Edward Howard and his son Thomas, had homesteaded 400 acres along the Beech Fork River and designated it as " Poplar Neck". For nearly twenty five years, they welcomed circuit riding priests to celebrate mass in their home. in 1810 Benedict Joseph Flaget, the first bishop of the west, recieved the property as a bequest From Thomas Howard and named St. Thomas in honor of the donor's patron. In 1812 a log cabin was constructed to serve flaget's home as a seminary. 4 years later, the brick church was constructed for the purpose of a parish church and seminary chapel. This church stands as the oldest of it's kind in the United States, west of the Allegheny Mountains. Two centuries ago pioneer Catholics came to Kentucky and planted the seed of faith. The unconquerable faith of Edward Howard and the catholic families who accompanied him in the zeal of Father Charles Whelen are not simply a chapter of past history but a living legacy which which you continue in our own day. For us, here at St. Thomas the story begins with Edward Howard. He came here in 1787, bringing with him, the beliefs and practices of Catholicism. Sixty families formed themselves into a "Leaque" and, collectively planned a migration to Kentucky. Though the migration would continue for decades and have other points of departure, the "Leaque of Sixty" came from St. Mary's County, Maryland in three expeditions: 1785, 1786, and 1787.The focal points of their Kentucky settlements were, respectively, (present -day names) Holy Cross, (Marion County), St. Charles (Marion County), and St. Thomas (Nelson County) At the "Poplar Neck" Plantation, Edward Howard had died leaving the property to one son, Thomas and his wife, Ann Gough Howard. They were now in their declining years, and having no children, the deeded the property in it's entirety to the Bishop, and his successors. Their only requests were that they be allowed to end their days at "Poplar Neck," and that the property always be in the ownership of the church. Bishop Flaget gratefully, acceded to the requests, and re-named the property "St. Thomas," after the patron saint of the donor. The Howard's encouraged the Bishop and his confreres to move into their home and build a smaller one for the couple. From Jerry Clark: Based on this history Thomas Howard must have died the same year he deeded property to Bishop Flaget. Edward Howard came to Kentucky in 1787, but no idea when he died.

I think, Ahersville and Bolestown were once in Monroe Co,Ky.. Now in Tennessee. Ludema Bowles -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Linne Gravestock <linne@gravestock.name> ==> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:57:19 -0800 ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYBARREN-L@rootsweb.com From: sgorin@glasgow-ky.com Subject: WHITE & BOWLES to AKERS - Power of Attorney 1817 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White, Bowles, Akers, Arthur Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TAB.2ACI/14089 Message Board Post: NOTE: I have no connection. From: Obediah White, Guardian for Obediah, Austin, Eliz. nd Middleton White and John Bowles who married Lelia White To: William Akers Date: 1817 Type: Power of Atorney re inheritance from John Arthur, Executor of estate of his father - both of VA - Bedford and Franklin Co. Barren Co KY Deed Book E, p. 183

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYBARREN-L@rootsweb.com From: sgorin@glasgow-ky.com Subject: WHITE & BOWLES to AKERS - Power of Attorney 1817 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White, Bowles, Akers, Arthur Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TAB.2ACI/14089 Message Board Post: NOTE: I have no connection. From: Obediah White, Guardian for Obediah, Austin, Eliz. nd Middleton White and John Bowles who married Lelia White To: William Akers Date: 1817 Type: Power of Atorney re inheritance from John Arthur, Executor of estate of his father - both of VA - Bedford and Franklin Co. Barren Co KY Deed Book E, p. 183

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYNELSON-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard/Ann Gough Bob, Bob Moore, Betty sent me this again, it concerns Thomas Howard who died 1810 in Nelson County, Ky whose wife was Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles from St. Mary's County, Maryland. Thomas Howard's father was an Edward Howard who came to Nelson County, KY in 1787, not sure when he died, but he was from St. Mary's County, Maryland. Based on his sons age of birth I have Edward Howard born abt or before 1820. I personally believe him to be an Uncle to my John Baptst Howard born abt 1845 who married Elizabeth Johnson daughter of David Johnson, and his brother James Howard born 17 Apr 1752 who married Mary Jackson, there is likely another brother who had a son William Howard who married Ann Clarke. But so far the Howard's of St. Mary's County, Maryland who came to Kentucky did not leave us much evidence or at least we have not found it yet. John Baptist Howard died 1803 in Nelson County, Ky and Elizabeth Johnson had: Charles Howard who married Mary Cissell on 22 Dec 1796 Nelson, County, KY Sarah Howard who married Mathew Cissell on 11 Mar 1795 washington County, KY Henry Howard who married Nancy Spalding on 22 Apr 1816 in Washington County, KY daughter of Stephen Spalding and Ann ? George Howard who married Mary "Polly" Merrifield 15 Nov 1798 Nelson County, KY daughter of Thomas Merrifield John William Howard who married Bridget Greer (dau. Of Lawrence Greer and Elizabeth Wiseman)on 18 Feb 1800 Nelson County, KY Mary "Polly" Howard who married ? Carby or Kirby Eleanor "Nelly Baptist Howard who married Abraham Bray on 31 Jan 1797, Nelson County, KY Joseph Howard- have not identified him yet. James Howard who died 1802 in Washington County, KY and Mary Jackson had: Charles Howard who married Frances "Fanny" Thompson Richard Howard married 1st to Morning ? married 2nd to Louisa Howard daughter of Charles Howard and Frances "Fanny" Thompson. William James Howard who married Martha Hamilton on 23 Apr 1796 Washington County, KY daughter of Leonard Hamilton. Anny Howard who married Robert H. Wimsatt Mary "Mollie" Howard who married Thomas Forrest on 14 Apr 1804 Washington County, KY married 2nd to Samuel Elliot on 25 April 1814 Washington County, KY Susanna Howard who married Joseph Tinsley 4 Sep 1800 Washington County, KY Teresa Howard who married David Cripps Catherine Howard who married Charles Vessells on 23 Oct 1799 Washington County, KY I also believe that Reason Howard who married Betsy Brashears is also related closely to John Baptist howard and James Howard. And if I have date of birth correctly of William Howard born abt 1863 who died nov 1860 who married Ann Clarke is also related closely to John Baptist howard and James Howard. I also believe there was a Charles Howard who came early to Nelson County, KY, but I'm not sure if he could be the same one who married Frances Thompson, or the Charles Howard who married Mary Cissell. From: BettyY5919@aol.com [mailto:BettyY5919@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:16 PM To: jerry876@comcast.net Subject: Thomas Howard Hi Jerry I've been following the conversation on the Nelson list. I thought maybe the history of St Thomas might help Bob determine something from the tax lists. He most likely knows where St Thomas is. By the way, St Thomas is quite a ways from Cox's Creek. Betty History of St. Thomas Church, Bardstown, Kentucky (Founded 1812) Early Catholic pioneers, Edward Howard and his son Thomas, had homesteaded 400 acres along the Beech Fork River and designated it as " Poplar Neck". For nearly twenty five years, they welcomed circuit riding priests to celebrate mass in their home. in 1810 Benedict Joseph Flaget, the first bishop of the west, recieved the property as a bequest From Thomas Howard and named St. Thomas in honor of the donor's patron. In 1812 a log cabin was constructed to serve flaget's home as a seminary. 4 years later, the brick church was constructed for the purpose of a parish church and seminary chapel. This church stands as the oldest of it's kind in the United States, west of the Allegheny Mountains. Two centuries ago pioneer Catholics came to Kentucky and planted the seed of faith. The unconquerable faith of Edward Howard and the catholic families who accompanied him in the zeal of Father Charles Whelen are not simply a chapter of past history but a living legacy which which you continue in our own day. For us, here at St. Thomas the story begins with Edward Howard. He came here in 1787, bringing with him, the beliefs and practices of Catholicism. Sixty families formed themselves into a "Leaque" and, collectively planned a migration to Kentucky. Though the migration would continue for decades and have other points of departure, the "Leaque of Sixty" came from St. Mary's County, Maryland in three expeditions: 1785, 1786, and 1787.The focal points of their Kentucky settlements were, respectively, (present -day names) Holy Cross, (Marion County), St. Charles (Marion County), and St. Thomas (Nelson County) At the "Poplar Neck" Plantation, Edward Howard had died leaving the property to one son, Thomas and his wife, Ann Gough Howard. They were now in their declining years, and having no children, the deeded the property in it's entirety to the Bishop, and his successors. Their only requests were that they be allowed to end their days at "Poplar Neck," and that the property always be in the ownership of the church. Bishop Flaget gratefully, acceded to the requests, and re-named the property "St. Thomas," after the patron saint of the donor. The Howard's encouraged the Bishop and his confreres to move into their home and build a smaller one for the couple. From Jerry Clark: Based on this history Thomas Howard must have died the same year he deeded property to Bishop Flaget. Edward Howard came to Kentucky in 1787, but no idea when he died.

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough Hi Melissa and List, Thanks for bringing up that issue. I agree that Augustine Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Baptist and Rebecca) and Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Cissell and Henrietta) are two different men. I have the wife of Ethelbert Cissell (1763-1/21/1826) as Elizabeth Mattingly, but I don't have a middle name of Maria for her. She did, however, name her daughter (and only child as far as I know), Elizabeth Maria Cissell (who married George H. Morgan). I have no real proof, but strongly suspect that the mother of Ethelbert Cissell and wife of John Cissell was Henrietta Knott, daughter of William Knott and Ann Mattingly (daughter of Thomas Mattingly II, 1650-1714, and his second wife, Elizabeth). Lots of interactions between the Knotts and Mattinglys. Will of William Knott, SMC, 1/30/1737-3/7/1737. To: Daughters--Monica, Mildred, Henrietta, and Winifred; John Brayfield; sons, Benjamin and Thomas; and Mary Mattingly, personalty. Sons: John and Ignatius, each 50 ac. of dwelling plantation and personalty after their mother's decease. To: Other 7 children and wife Ann (Exec.), residue of estate. Wit.: Richard Cooper, William Smith, John Baptist Buckman. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). I feel more confident in saying, though, that Mildred Knott, daughter of William and Ann, married Michael Cusic shortly after her father's will was made. It's based on this: 11/14/1744: Michael Cusick paid by the estate of James Clarke, SMC. (James Clarke, son of John Clarke, Jr. and Elizabeth Mattingly, Ann Mattingly Knott's half sister). 5/8/1749: Admin. accts. of Ignatius Knott, SMC. Sureties: Thomas Simpson, John Medley Simpson. Payments from: Richard Hayden, Thomas Knott, Michael Cusic, James Vincent, and William Knott. Payments to: John Eden, William Suttle, Ann Knott, Capt. Robert Chesley, Capt. Gilbert Ireland, Thomas Simpson, Jr., Thompson Simpson, Sr., Thomas Black. Distribution to: accountant (widow, 1/3). Residue to (orphans): Sarah Knott (aged 10); Richard Basil Knott (aged 6); Elizabeth Knott (aged 4). Admin.: George Thompson. Admin. accts. of John Knott, 6/26/1749. Sureties: Edward Field, John Toon. Received from: James Buckman, William Knott, Samuel Mattingly, John Cartwright, Michael Cusic. Payments to: Philip Key, Richard Cooke, Ann Knott, Joseph Javens, Ignatius Mattingly, Monica Stewart, Grace Johnson, Thomas Knott, Capt. Gilbert Ireland, Michael Cusic, Capt. Robert Chesley. Admin.: William Knott. NOTE: Ignatius Knott and John Knott were the brothers of Mildred Knott. Mary Knott, dau. of William Knott and Ann Mattingly, married Henry Mattingly, son of Charles Mattingly (son of Thomas II and Elizabeth). Winifred Knott, another daughter, married ______Mattingly (can't figure out his first name for sure and can't place him). 11/30/1767: Bapt. Rebecca, dau. of Aleseius (Aloysius?) and Winifred Mattingly. GP: Zachariah Knott and Ann Boarman (Jesuit Missions). NOTE: Zachariah Knott was a brother of Winifred Knott. 4/20/1770: Baptism of Matthew Mattingly, child of Alexander (?) and Winifred Mattingly. GP: John Maddox and Susan Branson. I find no further record of Rebecca, Matthew, Winifred or her husband. Kentucky maybe? Below is an outline chart of what I have for the first three generations of the family of William Knott and Ann Mattingly. Additions, corrections, etc. surely appreciated. Linda Reno Descendants of William Knott 1 William Knott 1697 - 1737 b: Bef. 1697 in St. Mary's Co., MD .. +Ann Mattingly 1706 - 1752 b: 1706 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Thomas Knott 1717 - 1736/37 b: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Ignatius Knott 1719 - 1747 b: Bef. 1719 in St. Mary's Co., MD ........... +Mrs. 1724 - 1749 b: Bef. 1724 m: Bef. 1739 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Sarah Knott 1739 - 1749 b: May 02, 1739 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Richard Basil Knott 1743 - 1817 b: 1743 in St. Mary's Co., MD ..................... +Mary Drury 1753 - 1817 b: Bef. 1753 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1766 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Elizabeth Knott 1745 - 1749 b: 1745 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Mary Knott 1722 - 1737 b: Bef. 1722 in St. Mary's Co., MD ........... +Henry Mattingly 1717 - 1752 b: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Mary Mattingly 1737 - b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Monica Knott 1722 - 1752 b: Bef. 1722 in St. Mary's Co., MD ........... +John Stewart 1715 - 1739 b: Bef. 1715 m: Bet. 1737 - 1738 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Mary Stewart 1734 - 1752 b: Bef. 1734 in St. Mary's Co., MD ..................... +William Herbert 1724 - 1750 b: Bef. 1724 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1749 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Ann Stewart 1737 - b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 John Knott 1728 - 1748 b: Bef. 1728 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Henrietta Knott 1729 - 1763 b: Bef. 1729 in St. Mary's Co., MD ........... +John Cissell 1717 - 1793 b: Bef. 1717 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1744 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Anastasia Cissell 1745 - 1775 b: 1745 in St. Mary's Co., MD ..................... +Francis Wheatley, Jr. 1745 - 1775 b: Bef. 1745 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: June 17, 1771 in St. Fr. Xav. RCC, Compton, St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Mary Cissell 1750 - 1793 b: 1750 in St. Mary's Co., MD ..................... +John Baptist Thompson 1755 - 1803 b: Bef. 1755 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1775 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 James Cissell 1753 - 1766 b: 1753 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 John Cissell, Jr. 1757 - 1800 b: 1757 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Ethelbert Cissell 1763 - 1826 b: 1763 in St. Mary's Co., MD Burial: St. Fr. Xav. RCC, Compton, St. Mary's Co., MD ..................... +Elizabeth Mattingly 1772 - 1793 b: Bef. 1772 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1792 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Benjamin (Bennet) Knott 1730 - 1750 b: Bef. 1730 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Mildred Knott 1723 - 1771 b: Bef. 1723 in St. Mary's Co., MD ........... +Michael Cusic 1712 - 1764 b: Bef. 1712 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bet. 1737 - 1738 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Michael Cusic, Jr. 1750 - 1790 b: Bef. 1750 ..................... +Jane 1750 - 1790 b: Bef. 1750 m: Bef. February 14, 1770 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Winifred Knott 1737 - 1770 b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD ........... +Alexander Mattingly 1737 - 1770 b: Bef. 1737 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: Bef. 1767 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Rebecca Mattingly 1767 - b: 1767 in St. Mary's Co., MD ................. 3 Matthew Mattingly 1770 - b: 1770 in St. Mary's Co., MD ....... 2 Zachariah Knott 1747 - 1767 b: Bef. 1747 in St. Mary's Co., MD

Melissa, who isn't a member of our list, writes: My info is meager....no sources and such. Who I have is: Edward Bowles married to Jane Lowe, d/o Henry Lowe (1652-1717) and Susanna Marie Bennet (1666-1714) John Bowles (dob bet. 1715-1718) married to Eleanor Cissell (abt. 1724-11 Dec 1772) d/o Arthur Cissell (1695-22 Feb 1793) and Mary ? (sometimes Mary Doyne, but this is debatable) I do have data on parents of Jane Lowe Bowles and Eleanor Cissell Bowles [So you'll have to write to her directly if you want more information.] Linne ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Melissa Young" <tyoung1120@cox.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough This does not answer Jerry's question, but I would like to take opportunity to mention a detail that I often see confused. Jerry mentions an Augustine Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Baptist Cissell and Rebecca), who married Henrietta Rhodes They had one son, whose name escapes me.This family emigrated from MD to KY. There is another Ethelbert Cissell (son of John Cissell and Henrietta) who married Elizabeth Maria Mattingly (I believe her to be the daughter of Thomas Mattingly (of Clement of Thomas III) and Elizabeth, who had one daughter, Elizabetha Maria Cecil. This Ethelbert used the Cecil spelling towards the end of his life. This family stayed in St. Mary's County, as documented through census and records of public service....two distinctly different families. As a direct descendant of this Ethelbert, I have an interest in the distinction. I almost always see these two families snarled together with one father, (Augustine) Ethelbert Cissell, married to two wives, both Henrietta (or Harriett Rhodes) and Elizabeth Mattingly and two children, a son and daughter. I am certain this is incorrect, and can provide enough documentation on the St. Mary's family to prove so, if any one would like to see proof. If any of you can provide info to help me unsnarl, I would like to know more. Thanks, Jerry for letting me piggyback on you! Melissa Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough > Dear list, > > > > > > Want to revisit our past discussion on Edward Howard whose son Thomas > Howard > married Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. > > > > Nelson County, Ky pg 47; Will book 209 > > > > Will of Thomas Howard. Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece Mary > Cissell, some stock and furniture. > > A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: wife Ann. > > Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts & Valin Hefner. Written > > 28 May 1810, prob 16 Jul 1810. > > > > Rest of the listings for Thomas Howard- Will Abstracts 1785-1820, Nelson > Co > > Genealogists: > > > > same source, pg 48 ; Will Book pg 242: Inventory of personal estate of > Thomas Howard, dec'd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin. 24 > Nov > 1810. > > > > Not sure who Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin were, does anyone know who they > married? > > > > > > Who did Raphael Knotts marry? > > > > > > Now John Baptist Cissell married twice once to an Ann ? and if I have it > correctly he had: > > > > Sarah Cissell who married Augustine Barron > > Mathew Cissell who married Sarah Howard daughter of John Baptist Howard > and > Elizabeth Johnson > > Mary Cissell who married Charles Howard son of of John Baptist Howard and > Elizabeth Johnson > > Zacharia Cissell who married Sarah Miles daughter of Barton Elexius Miles > and Priscilla ? > > > > John Baptist Cissell then married Rebecca ? and had: > > > > Augustine Ethelbert Cissell who married Henrietta Rhodes > > Thomas Cissell > > Ann "Nancy Cissell who married Leonard Mattingly son of Leonard Mattingly > Sr. > > William Cissell > > Sylvester Cissell > > Jeremiah Cissell married Mary Vessells daughter of James Vessells and > Temperance Tippetts > > Henry B. Cissell > > Zacharia Cissell who married an Ann Clarke > > > > Now I have Valentine Hefner married to Priscilla Burch on 18 Jan 1808 > Nelson > County, KY daughter of Walter Burch and Teresa Hagan > > > > > > So If I look at will of Thomas Howard son of Edward Howard if he is > referring to his niece Mary Cissell, was she the same Mary Cissell who > married Charles Howard son of John Baptist Howard? > > > > I have Henry Burch married to Teresa Parker > > > > > > Charles Howard who married Mary Cisell married on 22 Dec 1796 Nelson > County, Ky so if Thomas Howard was referring to same Mary Cissell then why > would he not address her as Mary Cisell (Howard) > > > > What other Mary Cissell could he be referring to? > > > > > > Did Edward Howard marry a Burch or did John Baptist Cissell marry a Burch > as > either one of his wives? > > > > There is a clue we just have not figured out yet that could open this up > more on mystery of Howard's from st. Mary's County, Maryland who went to > Nelson or Washington County, KY > > > > Perhaps Linda can give us another one of her revelations such as John > Baptist Howard marrying Elizabeth Johnson which put in place several > children of David Johnson and who they married. > > > > Any corrections or additions I welcome. > > >

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard and Ann Gough Dear list, Want to revisit our past discussion on Edward Howard whose son Thomas Howard married Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. Nelson County, Ky pg 47; Will book 209 Will of Thomas Howard. Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece Mary Cissell, some stock and furniture. A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: wife Ann. Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts & Valin Hefner. Written 28 May 1810, prob 16 Jul 1810. Rest of the listings for Thomas Howard- Will Abstracts 1785-1820, Nelson Co Genealogists: same source, pg 48 ; Will Book pg 242: Inventory of personal estate of Thomas Howard, dec'd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin. 24 Nov 1810. Not sure who Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin were, does anyone know who they married? Who did Raphael Knotts marry? Now John Baptist Cissell married twice once to an Ann ? and if I have it correctly he had: Sarah Cissell who married Augustine Barron Mathew Cissell who married Sarah Howard daughter of John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson Mary Cissell who married Charles Howard son of of John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson Zacharia Cissell who married Sarah Miles daughter of Barton Elexius Miles and Priscilla ? John Baptist Cissell then married Rebecca ? and had: Augustine Ethelbert Cissell who married Henrietta Rhodes Thomas Cissell Ann "Nancy Cissell who married Leonard Mattingly son of Leonard Mattingly Sr. William Cissell Sylvester Cissell Jeremiah Cissell married Mary Vessells daughter of James Vessells and Temperance Tippetts Henry B. Cissell Zacharia Cissell who married an Ann Clarke Now I have Valentine Hefner married to Priscilla Burch on 18 Jan 1808 Nelson County, KY daughter of Walter Burch and Teresa Hagan So If I look at will of Thomas Howard son of Edward Howard if he is referring to his niece Mary Cissell, was she the same Mary Cissell who married Charles Howard son of John Baptist Howard? I have Henry Burch married to Teresa Parker Charles Howard who married Mary Cisell married on 22 Dec 1796 Nelson County, Ky so if Thomas Howard was referring to same Mary Cissell then why would he not address her as Mary Cisell (Howard) What other Mary Cissell could he be referring to? Did Edward Howard marry a Burch or did John Baptist Cissell marry a Burch as either one of his wives? There is a clue we just have not figured out yet that could open this up more on mystery of Howard's from st. Mary's County, Maryland who went to Nelson or Washington County, KY Perhaps Linda can give us another one of her revelations such as John Baptist Howard marrying Elizabeth Johnson which put in place several children of David Johnson and who they married. Any corrections or additions I welcome. ===================================

Brenda asked... >Is there a way we can compare any of the Bowles DNA results with >result for surnames that sound the same or are sometimes confused >for Bowles? I'm thinking about names like Boles, Boaz, Boales. Or >even Bolling.I'm just wondering if this might not be a way of >sorting out >some of our spelling problems. Yes, there might be. Family Tree DNA has established a service called Y-Search [http://www.ysearch.org/] that allows participants to compare their results with others with different surnames and even from those who have tested with a different service. In order to participate in Y-Search a Bowles DNA Project participant has to elect to join it. To do so, he does the following (I hope you participants are listening [grin]): 1. Go to your private webpage at familytree.com. 2. Click on the Y-DNA Matches tab (You won't see this tab until you have results to examine). 3. On the next page you will see a box of information about additional possibilities for searching matches. It tells about Y-Search and there is a link at the bottom for you to place your data at that site. You will still have as much privacy as you need, but will be able to see if your results match the results of others in that database. One thing to remember: Matching the first 12 markers with other surnames will almost always given your false matches. Matching all of the first 25 markers with another surname stands a better chance of finding a potential relative. I do recommend that participants join Y-Search after they have received all of their results. If you have additional questions, don't hesitate to ask. Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Administrator [mailto:hartley@iglou.com]

Charlie, Is there a way we can compare any of the Bowles DNA results with result for surnames that sound the same or are sometimes confused for Bowles? I'm thinking about names like Boles, Boaz, Boales. Or even Bolling. I'm just wondering if this might not be a way of sorting out some of our spelling problems. Brenda Pflaum

We have some additional results that I have posted to the webpage at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/bowlesdna.html for you to see. The most significant is that kits 29356 and 29524 continue to match perfectly through 25 markers. The significance of this can best be seen in the chart below for these two. 100 yrs 200 yrs 300 yrs 400 yrs 500 yrs 600 yrs 12 markers 33.57% 55.88% 70.69% 80.53% 87.07% 91.41% 25 markers 61.17% 84.92% 94.15% 97.73% 99.12% 99.66% As you can see, these two have a very high percentage (94.15%) that they share a common ancestor within the last 300 years. Before getting their second set of markers (13-25) those percentages were considerably lower. If you have been considering joining our project, I encourage you to visit the join page at http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=W26816&special=true and sign up soon. Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administator [mailto:hartley@iglou.com]

===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: MOJACKSO-L@rootsweb.com From: "John O'Brien" <JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com> Subject: Kansas City area births - September 24, 1907 through October 3, 1907 BETTIS, BOLES, BOOTH, BOWER, BROWN, CARLSON, COLLINS, DARDEN, DUNN, FORRESTER, GILMORE, GOODWIN, JOHNSON, LAWSON, NOLE, PHIFIELD, WINNINGHAM, ZAHNER "The Kansas City Journal" (Missouri) Sunday, October 6, 1907 RECORD OF BIRTHS. Ben & Lena DARDEN, 3006 W. Prospect, Oct 3, girl Jas. & Kate GILMORE, 3126 Benton, Oct 3, girl Edwin & A. LAWSON, 4121 Michigan, Oct 3, girl Lee & Lottie NOLE, 1217 Park, Oct 3, girl Homer & S. GOODWIN, 4401 East 9th, Sept 28, girl Reilly & Agnes BROWN, 2212 Colorado, Sept 27, girl J.D. & C. FORRESTER, 4724 East 6th, Sept 27, girl Ed & M. WINNINGHAM, 2224 E. Front, Sept 27, girl Will & Myrtle BOLES, 2532 Belleview, Sept 28, boy A. J. & W. PHIFIELD, 1321 McGee, Sept 24, boy Jacob & Sinda BETTIS, 622 East 6th, Oct 3, boy John & M. CARLSON, 445 N. Prospect, Oct 3, boy Dan & Sarah COLLINS, 1741 Belleview, Oct 2, boy Charles & E. BOOTH, 4124 Oak, Oct 2, boy Guy & Minnie DUNN, 4322 Woodland, Oct 1, boy Louis & B. JOHNSON, 2742 Belleview, Oct 1, boy Walter & Anna BOWER, 1212 West 41st, Oct 1, boy H. F. & Marie ZAHNER, 607 West 38th, Oct 1, boy (These are not all births for the period. Births were published when reported.) ====================================================== (I have no connection with any of these people but I'd appreciate knowing if you found this posting helpful. JohnOBrien@kc.rr.com) ======================================================

===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: TNFENTRE-L@rootsweb.com From: "Carol S" <shauna@iglou.com> Subject: obit: Crossville Chronicle obit: Randall B. Bilyeu Feb. 18, 1978 - Feb. 28, 2005 Randall "Randy" Brent Bilyeu, 27, of Crossville, passed away Feb. 28, 2005. Funeral services were conducted March 3 from the chapel of Hood Funeral Home, with burial in Crossville City Cemetery. Pastor Mark Woody officiated, with special music by Pastor Ron Allen and Wayne Blaylock. Mr. Bilyeu was born Feb. 18, 1978 in Cumberland County. He was a body shop technician with Gary's Body Shop. He enjoyed riding four wheelers and liked to fish. He also liked video games and working on cars. Survivors include his mother and stepfather, Kim and Joe Boles of Clarkrange; father and stepmother, Randall and Kim Bilyeu of Crossville; grandparents, Bill and Bonnie West and Bob and Christine Bilyeu, all of Crossville; daughter, Kelsey Rae Owens Bilyeu of Crossville; sister, Miranda Dawn Bilyeu of Crossville; aunt, Debbie S. Marlow of Crossville; aunt and uncle, Debbie and Grover True of Crossville; uncles, Danny K. Bilyeu, Bobby L. Bilyeu, Gregory K. Bilyeu and Gary W. Bilyeu, all of Crossville; uncle and aunt, Rick and Sherry West of Aiken, SC; niece, Mariah Wyatt of Crossville; and several cousins. Pallbearers were Eugene Randolph, John Hale, Ryan West, Charlie Holden, Brian Reed, James Brady and Danny Bilyeu. Hood Funeral Home and Crematory, LLC was in charge of the arrangements. www.hoodfuneralhome.com ============================

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYNELSON-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [KYNELSON-L] re: Thomas Howard & Elizabeth Lytle Mary, This is when it gets confusing, There was a Thomas Howard son of Edward Howard who came from St. Mary's Maryland. This Thomas Howard married Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. This Thomas Howard was born abt 1740 and died about 1810 in Nelson County, KY. But names like Joseph, Thomas, Samuel, John, and William Howard are also common names used by the Maryland Catholic Howard's who came to Nelson County, KY. -----Original Message----- From: mary.yoder@verizon.net [mailto:mary.yoder@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:47 AM To: KYNELSON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KYNELSON-L] re: Thomas Howard & Elizabeth Lytle Went back & got the data from Phyllis Hill's tree on rootsweb.com for Thomas, brother of Joseph, both sons of Gordon Howard. Thomas Howard, b ca 1728 Lancaster Co, Pa; d ca 1785 Nelson Co, Ky; m Elizabeth Lytle: 1. John Howard b 30 Oct 1763 Pa; m Mary Brown 29 Jul 1786 (actual date is 1 Aug 1786 Nelson Co, Ky; surety George Calhoon; m by Wm Taylor). 2. Lytle Howard b ca 1765 Pa- 3. James b ca 1765 Pa; d aft 6 Apr 1812 Nelson Co, ; m Ann Herron 5 Feb 1796 Nelson Co; d/o Agnes Herron; m by Jas. Chambers. (James's ch also given--will add at end). 4. Robert 5. Martha, b Cumberland Co, Pa; m Nathaniel Brown 11 Oct 1782 (actual record is Oct 11, 1792 Nelson Co; d/o Elizabeth Howard, m by Wm Taylor-also know how Nathaniel Brown is connected & why he is on the Howard Wills I previously posted). 6. Susannah d 13 Feb 1813 Nelson Co, Ky (posted her will) James Howard; m Anna Herron (b ca 1772 Pa):( Mrs Anna Howard, wid/o James, m John P. Blandford; sur Lewis Shalley 20 Jan 1815 Nelson-no will through 1835 Nelson Co.) 1. William Howard b ca 1796/7 Nelson Co; m Rhoda Akinson 15 Feb 1812 (not Nelson or Hardin Co). 2. Nancy b 18 Sep 1799 Nelson Co; m Johnson DeHaven 3. Isabelle b 27 Oct 1801 Nelson co; m Matthias Miller 7 Jan 1822 4. Rachel b ca 1803 Nelson Co 5. Betsy b ca 1805 Nelson Co; m Benjamin Bevin 6. John b ca 1806 Nelson Co; d 1903 Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA 7. David Houston Howard, b ca 1810 Nelson Co 8. James b ca 1812 Nelson Co; m Nancy Hayden 19 Dec 1831 So it would appear that the Elizabeth Howard in the early tithables of Nelson Co is the wife/widow of Thomas, brother of Joseph Howard (wife Rebecca Lytle). So is Thomas of the early Nelson Co Tithables her husband or is he of the Md Howards????

Charlie, I've been trying and trying to find a representative of our Bowles family for the DNA pproject. Will you help me by sending some information about the procedure and what results may be expected to this cousin in Houston Texas ?. He is Harry L Bowles and his e-mail address is: HarryBowles@ separhlb.com. Thanks Elizabeth Little

Forgot to mention: These marriages were in Chesterfield Co,Va.. Many of the surnames came to Ky.. Some came to Cumberland, Barren and other counties. Sincerely, Ludema Bowles -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: "Ludema" <skyking@scrtc.com> ==> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:01:58 -0600 Blankenship, Farmer, Gates, Rucks, Nathan Anderson, Sims, Ashbrook, Cheatham, Elam, Cliborne, Rudd,Finney. Mackness Blankenship and Rhoda Bowles Dec 5-1815 Sur: John Gates William Blankenship Jr and Assenath Blankenship Sept 23-1803 Consent William Blankenship Sr, for both Sur: Elam Farmer Wit: George Blankenship Thomas Bowles and Tabitha Farmer Feb 6-1797 Sur: Alexander Sims Wit: David Ashbrook and Albert Finney James Cliborne and Elizabeth Farmer Aug 4-1799 Sur: Daniel Cliborne Wit: John Rudd and William Worsham Ludema Bowles

Blankenship, Farmer, Gates, Rucks, Nathan Anderson, Sims, Ashbrook, Cheatham, Elam, Cliborne, Rudd,Finney. Mackness Blankenship and Rhoda Bowles Dec 5-1815 Sur: John Gates William Blankenship Jr and Assenath Blankenship Sept 23-1803 Consent William Blankenship Sr, for both Sur: Elam Farmer Wit: George Blankenship Thomas Bowles and Tabitha Farmer Feb 6-1797 Sur: Alexander Sims Wit: David Ashbrook and Albert Finney James Cliborne and Elizabeth Farmer Aug 4-1799 Sur: Daniel Cliborne Wit: John Rudd and William Worsham Ludema Bowles

Here are all the Bowles that I can find in 1850 Henry Co VA. I thought I'd bring them all together in one message. 1850 Federal Census: Virginia, Henry County, page 23 household 165/165 Martha Cabinis - 43 F, VA Lemuel Bowls - 27 M, farmer, VA Nancy Bowls - 20 F, VA Nancy Bowls - 1/12 F, VA 1850 Federal Census: Virginia, Henry County, page 15 household 321/321 Alexander Bowls - 56 M, farmer, VA Catharine Bowls - 55 F, VA Elizabeth Bowls - 28 F, VA Magy Bowls - 26 F, VA Middleton Bowls - 16 M, VA Malinda Bowls - 14 F, VA Catharine F. Bowls - 14 F, VA 1850 Federal Census: Virginia, Henry County, page 16A household 335/335 Lewis Bowls - 34 M, farmer VA Frances Bowls - 34 F, VA John Bowls - 9 M, VA 1850 Federal Census: Virginia, Henry County, page 17 household 357/357 John M. Bowls - 33 M, farmer, VA Mary Bowls - 28 F, VA James Bowls - 6 M, VA Henry C. Bowls - 5 M, VA William A. Bowls - 3 M, VA Harriet Bowls - 2, VA 1850 Federal Census: Virginia, Henry County, page 33 household 447/447 Joseph Bowls - 37 M, laborer, VA Lucinda Bowls - 30 F, VA Mary Bowls - 5 F, VA (not named) Bowls - 6/12 F, VA

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: WINN-L@rootsweb.com From: "The Thill Group Inc" <ttg-inc@comcast.net> Subject: Compilation of the Name Minor ... Cuz Jonathan, You asked for this the other day, of Dennis. He found it in one of the boxes and said to forward it on to you. - Hugs Cuz B RNT NOTE: Do not try to order these charts, this is an older booklet and is for information only. Compilation of The name Minor Relative to Wynn[e] - Winn[e] Genealogy By Dennis R. Wynn Copyright by Dennis R. Wynn 1983 Presented with Dennis R. Wynn's approval. The purpose of this compilation is to provide a base of data for those genealogists researching Wynn[e] - Winn[e] genealogy in connection to the name Minor. This work doesn't provide references to original source of data and therefore should not be quoted as containing any proven data. Each person is referenced to a chart [family group sheet] by a "C" number. Any of these charts may be ordered for $1.00 each plus 20cents postage. These charts generally contain additional data such as brothers and sisters, more complete dates, reference numbers to other charts, reference to persons researching this line and numbers to the data and document file of The Wynne Family and Kinsmen Association. Dennis R. Wynn page 1 Minor Wynne C147 b. 1803 VA d. 1880 m. Emily Perry s/o William Wynne - Phillis Marrs Minor Darvis Wynne C897 b. 1821 Ga. d. 1891 TX m. [1] 1848 AL Sarah Willis Hopkins m. [2] Martha Hopkins Minor Winn C153 m. 1792 m. Elizabeth Wilkes s/o Joseph Winn - Elizabeth Winn Capt. John Wynne/Winn C181 b. 1627 m. 1660 d. 1694 VA m. Elizabeth Minor Minor Winn C182 b. ca 1665 VA d. 1730 VA m. Ann Byrd s/o Capt. John Wynne/Winn - Elizabeth Minor Minor Winn C185 b. 1704 VA d. 1779 VA m. Margaret O'Conner s/o Minor Winn - Ann Byrd Minor M. Winn C189 b. ca 1730 m. 1765 d. 1813 m. Elizabeth [Betty] Withers s/o Minor Winn - Margaret O'Conner Minor Winn C189 s/o Minor [b. ca 1730] - Elizabeth [Betty] Withers Minor Hampton Winn C194 b. 1775 SC m 1796 d. 1860 AR m. Matilda Bedford s/o William Winn - Rosamond Hampton page 2 Anna Minor Winn C255 m. Lt. Samuel McKenney [d. 1816] d/o Col. John Winn - Dorothea Wright Minor Winn C193 b. anti 1802 d. 1799 TN s/o Gen. Richard Winn - Susan Priscilla McKinney Minor Hampton Winn C195 b. ca. 1824 TN m. 1844 d. 1862 MO m. Jane M. Patrick s/o Zedrick [Zadok] Winn - Elizabeth Brecheen Minor O'Bannon C200 m. Miss Todd s/o Isham O'Bannon - Mary Winn Maj. Minor Winn C201 b. 1759 d. 1820-1 GA m. Mary Read Evans s/o Col. John Winn - Dorothea Wright Capt. Minor James Winn C203 m. 1765 m. Betty Withers s/o John W. Winn - Jemime Minor Winn C 211 s/o Hezekiah Winn [b. 1749] - Christina Bowles James Minor Winn C212 b. 1810 TN m. 1833 d. 1868 AR m. [1] Nancy Bloyd m. [2] Eliza Hancock s/o Minor Hampton Winn - Matilda Bedford Minor Winn Smith C251 s/o Benjamin Smith [d. anti 1798] - Mary Winn Minor Neale [no chart number] s/o Richard Neale [b. 1784] - Hannah Withers Winn page 3 Minor Winn Neale C261 b. 1804 m. 1836 d. 1844 m. Frances Anna Minor s/o Thomas Neale - Margaret C. Winn Minor Winne C439 b. ca 1805 d. 1845-50 m. Elizah F. Estes [Estis] s/o Matthew Wynne - Susannah James Minor Wynne C440 b. 1866 GA m 1886 d. 1936 m. Mary Eudora Smith s/o William Richard Wynne - Almeda sophronia McJunkin Minor Rorex C443 m. Amella Leah Wynne d/o Wm. Thomas Wynne - Sarah Jane Cargile [b. 1854] Minor Winn C506 b. ca 1772 SC m. Rachel Cook Minor Winn C507 b. 1798 SC d. 1874 UT m. Nancy Wilson s/o Minor Winn Rachel Cook William Minor Wynne C574 b. 1861 TX m. WA d. 1937? m. Emma Allcard Dyer s/o Adolphus John Gartrell Wynne - Mary Ann Caroline Payne Minor Winn C669 m. Polly Haggard s/o John Winn - Ellen Wright Hunter Minor Wynne C897 b. 1860 TX d. infancy s/o Minor Darius Wynne - Sarah Willis Hopkins Earl Minor Winn C964 b. 1916 UT d. 1917 s/o Elias Stillwell Winn - Cynthia Elizabeth Modgling page 4 [last page] Minors C417 m. Effie Wynn [b. 1872 MO d. 1955 TX] d/o Milton Burban Wynn - Mary Adelpha Carter Myrtilla Minor C431 b. ca 1764 d. 1822 OH m. John Joseph Winn s/o John Winn - Susannah Irby Absolom Minor Wynn C1098 b. 27 Mar 1893 MO m Maria Twitty s/o Richard Wynn - Harriet Hawkins The Arms of the Mynors of Treago As recorded by William Fellowes in his Visitation of Wales in 1530: Richard Mynors - Sable [black] beneath a fease argent [belt across the middle in silver] an eagle splayed. Sir Roger Mynors - son of Richard Mynors - "Somatyme Sergeant of the Ring's Cellar tempore Hviii" - Sable, an eagle splayed or beaked and membered Jules [red] on a chief azure [blue] bordered argent [silver] a chevion of the last with two crescents in chief and a rose in base of the second. Crest - a man's hand holding a bear's paw [represents main-ours, a typical heraldic pun in french]. Reference: College of Arms MS. H8. The old family Coat is also to be found in the form sable an eagle splayed or a chief argent. In 1787 the family [mistakenly] assumed by Royal License the elaborate Tudor Arms granted to Sir Roger Mynore in place of the older and simpler Coat. Not having spotted the French pun, the Crest was registered as a man's right arm embowed holding a bear's paw. The Motto now used is "Spero ut Fidelis". There is no Motto in the Visitation of 1530, and the age and provenance of this Motto is not known. END OF BOOKLET Hugs Cuz Becky ttg-inc@comcast.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ttg13/ ===================================================

Hi everyone Im new to this - so please bear with me! My grandmother was a Bowles originating in the Yarmouth area of England back in the early 1900's. I am currently researching her family (along with many others) and have come to a 'brick wall'. I have managed to get back to Edward Bowles bn around 1730 married to Elizabeth Edwards. Their children were Thomas, Susannah, Edward and Deborah. Thomas bn 1760 then went on to marry Mary Fleming and had children Elizabeth, Edward, Mary, Thomas, Sarah, Samuel, William, Jonathan. Jonathan bn 1803 married Sarah Greensides and they had a son Jonathan bn 1833 who then married Julia Agnes Ninham. I hope that some (or all) of this may strike a chord with someone - any information or leads you could give me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks for your patience! Sharon