===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Eleanor Bowles Hi Leathel, That's what I have BUT......I'm not convinced that Eleanor, wife of John (Bould) Bowles, John Medley Thompson, and John Bradburn was the daughter of Luke Cissell and Thomasine Hayden. Ms. Donnelly asserts that she was and bases it on this: 11/15/1757: Luke Cissell and his wife deeded "Finchley" to John Medley Thompson who had married their daughter Eleanor. (Donnelly). In this case, she simply stated the wrong date as the transfer took place in 1737 vs. 1757, however, the transfer of property did not necessarily mean that Eleanor was their daughter. There is no mention in any records that I've found that would link Eleanor to Luke and Thomasine Cissell. And....again, sometimes land was just sold, not always inherited. From my notes: 11/15/1737: "Finchley", 300 ac., St. Clement's Hundred, surveyed 11/29/1670 for Arthur Thompson. Possessor: James Gray, but the land belongs to Richard Hughes of Virginia. 6/6/1716: 300 ac. from William Maria Farthing to William Hayden. 3/5/1724: 300 ac. from William Maria Farthing to William Hayden. 11/15/1737: 149 ac. from Luke Cecil and wife to John Medley Thompson. (SMC Rent Rolls, 1639-1771). Ms. Donnelly also assumed that John Bould was the son of George Bowles and Lillias Watson. She gave them a number of children and then killed them off. There is no evidence that George Bowles and Lillias Watson had any children whatsoever and I don't believe that they did. Both George and Lillias had wills and neither will named any grandchildren or anybody with the surname Bowles or Bould. George left all to Lillias and then she left one item to Elizabeth Nevison and the remainder to her siblings in Scotland. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leathel Bowles" <LEATHEL@worldnet.att.net> To: <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Eleanor Bowles > Am I correct in believing that (John Bould) Bowles married Eleanor Cecil > (Cissell)? John's wife Eleanor (Cecil) married John Medley Thompson after > John's death. Eleanor Bowles daughter of John and Eleanor Bowles married > Peter Gough? > Leathel, > > 7/11/1737: Admin. accts. of John Bould, ST. Mary Co, MD. > Sureties: Peter Ford, John MacIntosh. Distribution to: accountant, 1/3. > Residue to (orphans): John Bould, James Bould, Elizabeth Bould, Mary > Bould, Winifred Bould, Eleanor Bould, Mary Ann Bould. Adm: Eleanor > Thompson, wife of John Medley Thompson. >

===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: CAN-ONT-GREY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jopie Loughead" <jopiel@sympatico.ca> Subject: Births, Euphrasia WILLCOCK, James Clarence Melrose, Dec.20, 1896, 011846 Robert H. Willcock and Annie Ross. STEPHENSON, Nellie Ethel, September 5, 1896, 011847 William Stephenson and Mary Blane. CUTTING, Robert Irwin, September 23, 1896, 011848 Benjamin Cutting and Emma Boles. WYVILLE, Albert Edward, August 1, 1896, 011849 Henry Wyville and Ann Blane. CORNFIELD, Annie Olive, May 3, 1896, 011850 John Cornfield and Susan Summers. MANARY, James Russell, September 13, 1896, 011851 Joseph Manary and Mary Martin. SHEARS, Ila Mable, October 18, 1896, 011852 John T. Shears and Annie Kirkby. IRWIN, Clara, August 30, 1896, 011853 Robert John Irwin and Margaret Cooper. TOWNSHIP OF EUPHRASIA, GREY COUNTY, ONTARIO, CANADA BIRTH REGISTRATIONS, 1897 M.S. 929 Reel 138 GREER, Malcolm Bruce, March 11, 1897, 014424 Samuel J. Greer and Margaret Waller. RICHARDSON, Mary Ellen, February 13, 1897, 014425 Walter N. Richardson and Elizabeth Martha Ellis. DUNLOP, Mary Jane, April 22, 1897, 014426 Robert Dunlop and Margaret Jane Turney. MORRISON, Vilo, April 17, 1897, 014427 Alexander Morrison and Jennie Williamson.

Linne, I wish I had a $ for every South African who had slapped me on the back and said what a fine fellow my ancestor was to win the Victoria Cross at Rourkes Drift. AND the " Victory " was, of course, manned by Maoris !! Regards Peter CHARD in New Zealand . -----Original Message----- From: Linne Gravestock [mailto:linne@gravestock.name] Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 7:58 p.m. To: BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Richard Bowles in S. Africa + advice ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L@rootsweb.com From: "Rosemary Dixon-Smith" <dixonsmithbygad@eastcoast.co.za> Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] DYASON 1820 Settler at the Battle of Trafalgar Reading the post on the 1820 Settler who was on Victory at Trafalgar reminded me of a remark in a brilliant article by Kay Priestley which appeared in Ancestors magazine (the mouthpiece of The National Archives, Kew) in their edition of June/July 2000. She says: "Information should not be thought of as 'right' or 'wrong' but as having some element of truth, not necessarily 100%. For instance, if there is a family story of a sailor ancestor who served with Nelson then there probably was a sailor ancestor, but over the centuries a story has 'walked'. Nearly at Trafalgar, becomes at Trafalgar, and then serving on Victory at Trafalgar. Cynical researchers say that the reason Victory nearly sank after the battle was the weight of all the people's ancestors who claim to have been on board!" Extrapolating this idea in a South African context, if the numerous people who claim that their ancestor was a defender of Rorke's Drift in the Anglo-Zulu campaign of 1879 were to be correct in their hopeful assumption, the British would have out-numbered the Zulus at that battle and the course of history would have been radically altered. ( SNIP )

First of all, I can't personally vouch for the following information. All that I know about it is contained in this message. In looking around on the internet, I came across a site at [http://www.melungeons.com/articles/melungeondnaproject.htm] that contains information about something called the Melungeon DNA Project. On that page was some Bowles information including the following excerpt: "Our BOWLES sample came from Harold Bowles, who traces his ancestry to Chief Bowles, who was born about 1746 and died July 16, 1839. Bowles married three or more women, all Cherokee, including Jennie Due, the daughter of Robert Due and Elizabeth Emory; Oo-ti-yu VANN, and Oo-lootsa, daughter of Tah-chee, half-brother to Sequoyah." I spoke with someone at Family Tree DNA and learned that this Harold Bowles had been tested AND that his 12 markers matched three of our participants. Regrettably the only email address I have for this Harold Bowles (hlbowles@milx.net) is no longer any good. I have informed the three matching participants privately about this, and until I learn more about this Harold Bowles I don't feel comfortable sharing any more information about him. If there is anyone here who knows Harold Bowles, please contact me privately. Thanks, Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator

Folks, any time you see that broken double line, know that it's just another item that RootsWeb sent to me to forward to the Bowles list. In order to know more, you'll have to write directly to Lin, at DLMOKDOKI@aol.com . Let us all know if you fiind a connection! Yours, Linne >Since I am an Ohio Bowles, my curiosity is tugging at me. Can I see >one picture for the sake of family resemblence comparisons? > >Linne Gravestock <linne@gravestock.name> wrote:Lin adds: > >Dr. Boles was a close friend of my Meeker line in the Hamilton OH >area and perhaps we have information we can share with each other if >a family researcher is looking for him or his daughter, Nora. The >time frame is the early to mid 1920's. > > >===================================================================== >Match: Boles >Source: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com >From: DLMOKDOKI@aol.com >Subject: BOLES - MEEKER - LINGLER > > >Is anyone on this list researching Dr. Boles, a veterinarian in the 1920's >in Butler Co., probably around Venice or Ross. He had a daughter named Nora. I >have some pictures of them and would happy to share them. > >Researching LINGLER from Hamilton, and MEEKER in Venice. > >Lin

Since I am an Ohio Bowles, my curiosity is tugging at me. Can I see one picture for the sake of family resemblence comparisons? Linne Gravestock <linne@gravestock.name> wrote:Lin adds: Dr. Boles was a close friend of my Meeker line in the Hamilton OH area and perhaps we have information we can share with each other if a family researcher is looking for him or his daughter, Nora. The time frame is the early to mid 1920's. ===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com From: DLMOKDOKI@aol.com Subject: BOLES - MEEKER - LINGLER Is anyone on this list researching Dr. Boles, a veterinarian in the 1920's in Butler Co., probably around Venice or Ross. He had a daughter named Nora. I have some pictures of them and would happy to share them. Researching LINGLER from Hamilton, and MEEKER in Venice. Lin

Lin adds: Dr. Boles was a close friend of my Meeker line in the Hamilton OH area and perhaps we have information we can share with each other if a family researcher is looking for him or his daughter, Nora. The time frame is the early to mid 1920's. ===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: OHBUTLER-L@rootsweb.com From: DLMOKDOKI@aol.com Subject: BOLES - MEEKER - LINGLER Is anyone on this list researching Dr. Boles, a veterinarian in the 1920's in Butler Co., probably around Venice or Ross. He had a daughter named Nora. I have some pictures of them and would happy to share them. Researching LINGLER from Hamilton, and MEEKER in Venice. Lin

Please remove allread5161@sbcglobal.net from list Linne Gravestock <linne@gravestock.name> wrote:===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYBARREN-L@rootsweb.com From: sgorin@glasgow-ky.com Subject: WHITE & BOWLES to AKERS - Power of Attorney 1817 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White, Bowles, Akers, Arthur Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TAB.2ACI/14089 Message Board Post: NOTE: I have no connection. From: Obediah White, Guardian for Obediah, Austin, Eliz. nd Middleton White and John Bowles who married Lelia White To: William Akers Date: 1817 Type: Power of Atorney re inheritance from John Arthur, Executor of estate of his father - both of VA - Bedford and Franklin Co. Barren Co KY Deed Book E, p. 183 ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com From: Charles Hartley Subject: Re: John Bowles m. Lelia White We've been down this path before. He name was Celia White, not Lelia. I have a transcription of this document at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/documents/obwhitedoc09.html] as well as a second one at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/documents/obwhitedoc08.html] that spells the name as Sealia. Finally, information about John and Celia Bowles and their family is located at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/johnbowles/bowlesindex.html]. Charlie

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough Hi, Good morning, We might be on the same page and we might be wrong. No one has answered this question (see below): The other one I looked hard at was that she was a daughter of Sarah Howard (dau. of John Baptist Howard, brother of Thomas) and Matthew Cissell who were married in KY on March 17, 1795. Did they have a daughter by that name? In trying to place Thomas Howard again, I noticed that I do a guy in my database of the right age. In "The State of His Lordship's Manor", 1768 were listed together: William Howard, Jr., b. 1728; Nicholas Howard, b. 1748; and Thomas Howard (b. 1740). I have nothing further on them. Was there a Nicholas Howard in KY anywhere? Linda Reno ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough Maybe some one else who has followed better Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard can tell me all of their children, but I don't have any daughter Mary Cissell Mathew Cissell married Sarah Howard on 11 March 1795 in Washington County, KY. You have date of 17 Mar 1795 not sure who is more correct. Can anyone locate the marriage record to verify? These are the children I have for them: Elizabeth Cissell born abt 4 Apr 1800 married on 19 Sept 1818 in Washington County, KY to Robert Rhodes son of Cornelius Rhodes and Anastatia Mattingly Harriett E. Cissell born 22 April 1802 Washington County, KY died 12 Dec 1876 Marion County, KY married 20 Nov 1824 Washington County, KY to William Rhodes born 4 April 1800 Washington DC, he died 24 Jan 1880 in Marion County, KY Charles Cissell born 1808 Washington County, KY married 28 Oct 1828 in Hardin County, KY to Rebecca Shipley Geoghegan born 10 Dec 1809 Hardin County, KY died 25 Feb 1883 Hardin County, KY she was the daughter of Ambrose Denton Geoghegan Jr. and Elizabeth Shipley Can anyone else add any other children of Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard. I suspect their were other children, but I don't have them. I had followed them on Census records but when I started using an IBM compatable computer instead of a Macintosh Computer I switched Genealogy programs to Legacy, and when I downloaded my gedcom file none of the notes came with it that I had, come to find out this was a glitch in Legacy program, which they have since fixed from what they say, but I need to create a new file and try to download the Gedcom again. I also lost some data when my daughter loaded up service pack two of Windows XP, it has all kinds of bugs in it, and it caused a computer crash. I lost most of my Howard updates from lasts years discussion including our discussion of David Johnson. I need to go back in archives of Rootsweb to retrieve it, but have not done so, due to lack of time. Can anyone update the children of Mathew Cissell and Sarah Howard. Mathew J. Cissell born 1811 in Washington County, KY died 17 May 1865 in Marion County, KY married Angeline M. Hagan born 20 May 1819, she died 18 oct 1853, I have they married on 3 oct 1835, but I don't know where they married. She was the daughter of John Hagen and Elizabeth Hayden I don't think I have any Nicholas Howard which came to Nelson County, KY But then he may have gone to some other state. Maybe not all the kids of Edward Howard came to Nelson County, KY ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY-L] Eleanor Bowles Hi Leathel, That's what I have BUT......I'm not convinced that Eleanor, wife of John (Bould) Bowles, John Medley Thompson, and John Bradburn was the daughter of Luke Cissell and Thomasine Hayden. Ms. Donnelly asserts that she was and bases it on this: 11/15/1757: Luke Cissell and his wife deeded "Finchley" to John Medley Thompson who had married their daughter Eleanor. (Donnelly). In this case, she simply stated the wrong date as the transfer took place in 1737 vs. 1757, however, the transfer of property did not necessarily mean that Eleanor was their daughter. There is no mention in any records that I've found that would link Eleanor to Luke and Thomasine Cissell. And....again, sometimes land was just sold, not always inherited. From my notes: 11/15/1737: "Finchley", 300 ac., St. Clement's Hundred, surveyed 11/29/1670 for Arthur Thompson. Possessor: James Gray, but the land belongs to Richard Hughes of Virginia. 6/6/1716: 300 ac. from William Maria Farthing to William Hayden. 3/5/1724: 300 ac. from William Maria Farthing to William Hayden. 11/15/1737: 149 ac. from Luke Cecil and wife to John Medley Thompson. (SMC Rent Rolls, 1639-1771). Ms. Donnelly also assumed that John Bould was the son of George Bowles and Lillias Watson. She gave them a number of children and then killed them off. There is no evidence that George Bowles and Lillias Watson had any children whatsoever and I don't believe that they did. Both George and Lillias had wills and neither will named any grandchildren or anybody with the surname Bowles or Bould. George left all to Lillias and then she left one item to Elizabeth Nevison and the remainder to her siblings in Scotland. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leathel Bowles" <LEATHEL@worldnet.att.net> To: <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Eleanor Bowles > Am I correct in believing that (John Bould) Bowles married Eleanor Cecil > (Cissell)? John's wife Eleanor (Cecil) married John Medley Thompson after > John's death. Eleanor Bowles daughter of John and Eleanor Bowles married > Peter Gough? > Leathel, > > 7/11/1737: Admin. accts. of John Bould, ST. Mary Co, MD. > Sureties: Peter Ford, John MacIntosh. Distribution to: accountant, 1/3. > Residue to (orphans): John Bould, James Bould, Elizabeth Bould, Mary > Bould, Winifred Bould, Eleanor Bould, Mary Ann Bould. Adm: Eleanor > Thompson, wife of John Medley Thompson. >

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L@rootsweb.com From: "Rosemary Dixon-Smith" <dixonsmithbygad@eastcoast.co.za> Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] DYASON 1820 Settler at the Battle of Trafalgar Reading the post on the 1820 Settler who was on Victory at Trafalgar reminded me of a remark in a brilliant article by Kay Priestley which appeared in Ancestors magazine (the mouthpiece of The National Archives, Kew) in their edition of June/July 2000. She says: "Information should not be thought of as 'right' or 'wrong' but as having some element of truth, not necessarily 100%. For instance, if there is a family story of a sailor ancestor who served with Nelson then there probably was a sailor ancestor, but over the centuries a story has 'walked'. Nearly at Trafalgar, becomes at Trafalgar, and then serving on Victory at Trafalgar. Cynical researchers say that the reason Victory nearly sank after the battle was the weight of all the people's ancestors who claim to have been on board!" Extrapolating this idea in a South African context, if the numerous people who claim that their ancestor was a defender of Rorke's Drift in the Anglo-Zulu campaign of 1879 were to be correct in their hopeful assumption, the British would have out-numbered the Zulus at that battle and the course of history would have been radically altered. A chap called Clausewitz was writing of history when he said: "A great part of the information obtained ... is contradictory, a still greater part is false and by far the greater part is of doubtful character." Although he wasn't thinking of family history, his words still apply. Family history is an interesting obsession, but it often involves dealing with uncertain information. Regards all, Rosemary www.genealogyworld.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Thelma Hurly <tjhurly@mweb.co.za> To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] DYASON 1820 Settler at the Battle of Trafalgar > A bit late in the day with this perhaps, but if anyone is researching one of > their folks said to have served with Nelson at the battle of Trafalgar, or > any other battle,this is a good Site > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Trafalgar/ > > Thelma - Johannesburg S.A. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Bailes" > To: <SOUTH-AFRICA-IMMIGRANTS-BRITISH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:04 AM > Subject: Re: [ZA-IB] DYASON 1820 Settler at the Battle of Trafalgar > > > >I would like to ask a favour. > > In searching through the history of the Kariega Baptist church I have come > > across various descriptions of Richard Bowles' military career. > > He was in the military. > > He served in the Royal Navy. > > He served at Trafalgar. > > He was on HMS Victory. >

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: KYBARREN-L@rootsweb.com From: sgorin@glasgow-ky.com Subject: WHITE & BOWLES to AKERS - Power of Attorney 1817 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: White, Bowles, Akers, Arthur Classification: Deed Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TAB.2ACI/14089 Message Board Post: NOTE: I have no connection. From: Obediah White, Guardian for Obediah, Austin, Eliz. nd Middleton White and John Bowles who married Lelia White To: William Akers Date: 1817 Type: Power of Atorney re inheritance from John Arthur, Executor of estate of his father - both of VA - Bedford and Franklin Co. Barren Co KY Deed Book E, p. 183 ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com From: Charles Hartley <hartley@iglou.com> Subject: Re: John Bowles m. Lelia White We've been down this path before. He name was Celia White, not Lelia. I have a transcription of this document at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/documents/obwhitedoc09.html] as well as a second one at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/documents/obwhitedoc08.html] that spells the name as Sealia. Finally, information about John and Celia Bowles and their family is located at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/johnbowles/bowlesindex.html]. Charlie

I think a Burch married one of Gideon Bowles children. The name Obediah runs in the Howard family, as well as Bowles. Ludema Bowles -------- Original Message -------- ==> From: Linne Gravestock <linne@gravestock.name> ==> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:03:51 -0800 ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard/ Mary Cissell Dear List, I was examining this will of Thomas Howard who married Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. I noticed something that I have never paid attention to. I'm always trying to figure out who this Mary Cissell was he mentions in his will, but the real thing I should have noticed was he calls this Mary Cissell his Niece. Now Somewhere If I remember Correctly in the history of St. Thomas Church when it discusses Edward Howard does it every say Thomas Howard was his only son? If Edward Howard had other sons any children they had would be Nieces and Nephews of Thomas Howard, but they would all carry the name Howard, but If Thomas Howard had sisters then his Nieces and Nephews of his Sister or Sisters, would carry the Surname of who they Married. What I never noticed before is that Mary Cissell is the Niece of Thomas Howard, which means that Thomas Howard had a Sister (don't know her name) who married a ? Cissell, and they had a daughter Mary Cissell. Anybody got any idea of a possibility of a female ? Howard who married a ? Cissell? No wonder the Cissell Family has close ties to Howard Family. I then got this idea to look at James Vessells and temperance Tippets and their Children: Mary Vessells married Jeremiah Cissell son of John Baptist Cissell and Rebecca ? Charles Vessells married Catherine Howard daughter of James Howard a Mary Jackson. James Howard is supposed to be a brother to Edward Howard whose son Thomas Howard (has a Mary Cissell for a niece) William Vessells married Elizabeth "Betsy" Mills (anyone know her parents) Thomas Vessells (don't know if or who he married) James Vessells married Eleanor Mattingly daughter of Joseph f. Mattingly and Hessina Hinton. Benjamin Vessells ann Drury(does anyone know her parents) John Vessells married Mary Peterson daughter of Henry Peterson and Olivia Smock her brother Henry Smock was either a witness on will of John Baptist Howard or his brother James Howard who married Mary Jackson. Elijah Vessells married Catherine Forrest (can anyone tell me her parents?) was she related to Thomas Forrest who married Mary "Mollie" Howard daughter of James Howard and Mary Jackson. I believe that James Vessells his father was also a witness on will of James Howard who died 1803 in Washington County, KY Susanna Vessells married John Oard Elizabeth Vessells married William Lampkin pg 47; Will book 209. Will of Thomas Howard. Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece Mary Cissell, some stock and furniture. A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: wife Ann. Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts & Valin Hefner. Written 28 May 1810, prob 16 Jul 1810. Rest of the listings for Thomas Howard- Will Abstracts 1785-1820, Nelson Co Genealogists: same source, pg 48 ; Will Book pg 242: Inventory of personal estate of Thomas Howard, dec'd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin. 24 Nov 1810. same source-pg 77: 2 listings for Howard: pg 420: Appraisal of the personal estate of William Howard, dec'd, by Thomas Linthicum, Thomas Lewis, Cyrus Talbot & Joseph Ferguson. Ordered Dec 1815. Total $864.37 1/2 18 negroes valued at $5770. I then started to study which Cissells had daughters named Mary. John Baptist Cissell and 2nd wife Ann ? had a daughter Mary Cissell and she married Charles Howard son of John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson, But I don't think Thomas Howard was referring to that Mary Cissell as his Niece, because She was already married to Charles Howard by the time his will was probated, unless he made his will before date of Marriage of Mary Cissell to Charles Howard. Peter Cissell married an Eleanor ? they had a daughter Mary Cissell who married John Hanson Burch on 14 Sept 1811 in Nelson County, Ky This is after date that Thomas Howard's will was Probated. Is this The Mary Cissell Thomas Howard was Referring to in his will? If so we know this Mary Cissell came to Nelson County, KY because John Hanson Burch did Also. Remember that John Hanson Burch had a sister Priscilla Burch who married Valentine Hefner a witness on will of Thomas Howard. His brother Alexander " Sandy" Burch married Eleanor Cissell daughter of Peter Cissell and Eleanor ?(who I believe was Thomas Howard's Sister) Burch Family are Witnesses on will I Believe of John Baptist Howard. So I present a new thought, Could it be that Eleanor ? wife of Peter Cissell was a Howard by maiden name? was she the daughter of Edward Howard, and the sister of Thomas Howard who died in 1810 in Nelson County, KY. Please tell me is there a possibility? I think I'm on to something. ============================================ From: Linda Reno [mailto:lindareno@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough I'm still seeking around, but my best guess at this point is that the Mary Cissell that Thomas Howard named in his will was the daughter of Peter Cissell (d. 1803, Washington Co., KY) and wife, Eleanor. Their daughter, Mary Cissell married John Hanson Burch, 9/14/1811, so therefore she would have been a Cissell at the time of Thomas Howard's will. Question is, was Eleanor, wife of Peter Cissell a Howard. I have none that fit, but then I've never been able to place Thomas, John Baptist, or Edward Howard either. The other one I looked hard at was that she was a daughter of Sarah Howard (dau. of John Baptist Howard, brother of Thomas) and Matthew Cissell who were married in KY on March 17, 1795. Did they have a daughter by that name? Linda Reno ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard and Ann Gough I'm still seeking around, but my best guess at this point is that the Mary Cissell that Thomas Howard named in his will was the daughter of Peter Cissell (d. 1803, Washington Co., KY) and wife, Eleanor. Their daughter, Mary Cissell married John Hanson Burch, 9/14/1811, so therefore she would have been a Cissell at the time of Thomas Howard's will. Question is, was Eleanor, wife of Peter Cissell a Howard. I have none that fit, but then I've never been able to place Thomas, John Baptist, or Edward Howard either. The other one I looked hard at was that she was a daughter of Sarah Howard (dau. of John Baptist Howard, brother of Thomas) and Matthew Cissell who were married in KY on March 17, 1795. Did they have a daughter by that name? Linda Reno ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough Linda, Amazing that we are on same page. I just wrote you a letter suggesting same thing, after I sent it then I checked my E-mail and noticed you had suggested same thing. Eleanor ? wife of Peter Cissell has to be Eleanor Howard. Yes Yes I agree.

===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> Subject: Coroners Reports 1863 contd. A return of Inquisitions held by James John Shee, Coroner for the County of Tipperary commencing from the 18th. July 1863 to the 31st. December 1863. 15. 3/9/1863 on Honora Holmes, Crohane, Parish Crohane, Slievardagh, Dr. George Boles. Death from Hydrophobia. Reported by Constable Ryan. 16. 7/9/1863 on John Hurley, Cashel Workhouse. Parish of St. Johns. Middlethird. DR. James Graham, Disease of the heart. Reported by Constable S.I. Thompson. 17. 12/9/1863 on John Boland, Cashel Infirmary, Parish of St. Johns. Middlethird. Dr. James Graham. Verdict-Accidental. Reported by Constable S.I.Thompson. 18. 14/9/1863 on Maurice Quinlan, Templeteny Church Yard. Parish of Templeteny, Iffa and Offa West. Dr. Richard Walshe. Post Mortem. Cause of death not known. Reported by Constable S.I.Greer. 19. 29/9/1863 on Jeremiah Conway, Cashel. St. Marys, Middlethird. Dr. James Graham. Death from suffocation. Reported by Constable S.I.Thompson. 20. 3/10/1863 on Matthew Connors, Cahir. Parish of Cahir. Iffa and Offa West. Dr. John Stokes. Verdict-Accidental. Reported by Constable S.I.Fosbery. 21. 8/10/1863 on Wm. O'Brien, Kilroe. Parish of Tubrid. Iffa and Offa West. Drs Richard Walshe and John Stokes. Death from natural causes. Reported by Constable S.I.Greer. 22. 16/10/1863 on David Hickey, Dorny's Well, Parish of Tubrid, Iffa and Offa West. Dr. Pierce Stafford. Death from a kick from a horse. Reported by Constable Duggan. 23. 27/10/1863 on Maurice Brennan, Clonmel, Parish of St. Mary's. Iffa and Offa East. Dr. John H. Prosser. Death from Suffocation. Reported by Constable H.C.Parr. 24. 28/10/1863 on Edmond Cleary, Rehill Wood, Shanrahan, Iffa and Offa West. Dr. Richard Walsh. Death from Natural Causes. Reported by Constable S.I.Greer. 25. 9/11/1863 on Mary Bourke, Clonmel, Parish of St. Marys, Iffa and Offa East. Dr. Thomas Scully. Death from Apoplexy. Reported by Constable Goulden. 26. 13/11/1863 on John Prendergast, Cahir Abbey, Cahir. Co. Tipperary. Iffa and Offa West. Dr. John Stokes. Verdict-Accidental. Reported by Constable H.C.Sullivan. 27. 11/11/1863 on Mary Connors, Cashel, Parish of St. John's. Middlethird. Dr. James Graham. Death by visitation of God. Reported by Constable S.I.Thompson. 28. 29/11/1863 on James Nonan, Cloneen, Parish of Cloneen, Middlethird. Dr. Francis. C. Bugess. Verdict-Accidental. Reported by Constable Gavan. 29. 1/12/1863 on Thomas Hayes, Cashel Infirmary, St. Johns. Middlethird. Dr. Russell. Death was accidental. Reported by Constable S.I.Thompson. 30. 1/12/1863 on Johanna Looly?, Graige, Erry, Middlethird. Dr. James Graham. Verdict-Visitation of God. Reported by Constable S.I.Thompson. 31. 3/12/1863 on James Maher, Graigue, Newchapel, Iffa and Offa East. Dr. Thomas Joseph Greane. Verdict-Visitation of God. Reported by Constable M'Carthy. 32. 3/12/1863 on Margaret Gorman, Cahir, Iffa and Offa West. Dr. John Stokes. Verdict-Accidental. Reported by Constable H.C.Sullivan. 33. 9/12/1863 on Mary Burke, Kilcash, Parish of Kilcash. Iffa and Offa East. Verdict-Visitation of God. Reported by Constable Daly. 34. 17/12/1863 on Wm.Flynn of Clonmel, St. Marys, Iffa and Offa East. Dr. Thomas Scully. Verdict- Delirium Tremens. Reported by Constable Golden. 35. 17/12/1863 on Anastatia Kelly, Cahir. Parish of Cahir. Iffa and Offa West. Dr. John Stokes. Verdict-Accidental. Reported by Constable M'Carthy. 36. 28/12/1863 on Bridget Ryan, Ballypaudeen, Parish of St. Johns, Middlethird. Dr. James Graham. Death from suffocation. Reported by Constable S.I.Thompson. I certify the above to be correct. James John Shee, Coroner. 1/1/1864. Mary

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MOJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com From: Linda Reichert <mobr@reitech.net> Subject: JEFFERSON COUNTY RECORD January 25, 1917 Part 6 volunteer transcription HJCR1917A_13.jpg HJCR1917A_14.jpg HJCR1917A_15.jpg HJCR1917A_16.jpg Volunteer transcription - part 6 Linda in MO Jefferson County Record, Hillsboro, Mo January 25, 1917 No. 5 ~ Bowles and Neighborhood ~ A number of friends surprised Joe HERZOG on his birthday last Tuesday. With music, card playing and spirited conversation the evening hours passed by most too fast. Before the visitors departed they partook of the bountiful supper set for them by Joeís good mother at the late hour of the night. After this the guests left for home. Wishing their friend many more happy birthdays but Joe wasnít satisfied and invite dthe [sic] ìboysî once more. Everyone present greatly enjoyed him scit?. Last Sunday afternoon and evening Miss Barbara MRAS entertained a number of friends. The player piano, the victrola and the violin and guitar afforded enough variety of music. More cases o fmeasles [sic] are reported in our neighborhood. Quite a number of people attended the literary debating society at High Ridge last Frida ynight [sic] A good program was rendered. Mr. George L. STETHEM of Granite City, Ill, a motorman on the McKinley car was visiting his home folks. It looks as if he brought good weather with him, but not war menough [sic] for snow. Miss Ethel STETHEM left Sunday to stay with her brother, Mr. Charles STETHEM ~ Hillsboro Items ~ Mrs. J. J. HOEKEN visited her sister Mrs. DONNELL in St. Louis the weekend. T. E. SCHNEIDER went to East St. Louis Saturday to bring his wife and little ones home after a two weekís visit with Mrs. SCHNEIDERís brother, Edward WILLIAMS. Tony found his small son Jack quite ill and too much so to bring home on his return Monday. Henry T. REPPY of Detroit who is home on his early spring vacation from duty in the Immigration service visited his brother John H. REPPY and family, the first of the week. John H. REPPY was a St. Louis visitor Wednesday. Mrs. R. B. WILSON took her young son Oran to St. Louis last week to leave with Mr. and Mrs. WORK who are going to Florida for the rest of the winter. Mrs. WORK is a sister of Mrs. WILSON. Mrs. R. E. ENGLAND o fHematite [sic] was the guest of Mrs. REPPY Sunday. Rev. M. WALTON, preached here Sunday morning and evening. Next Sunday being a fifth Sunday there will be no preaching service. We have some sickness in town among whom are Mrs. G. J. JOHNSON, and Mrs. Ellen McCreary, the latter having been ill for nearly two weeks. Three children of W. S. WILSON and the two small lsons [sic] of Frank DIETRICH. J. R. EVANS and daughter Vivian spent Sunday in St. Louis visiting Richard SCHROEDER and family. Frank FRAZIER is visiting his sister in New Haven. R. A. HOLEKAMP is back from Columbia where he attended Farmerís Week and was one of the lecturers on ìBee Keeping.î Miss Medora BOOTH has returned for her teaching in De Soto after a weekís absence through illness. Her devoted pupils made her glad by sending her a box of carnations during that time. The Christian Endeavor Society was very pleasantly entertained Thursday evening at the McMULIN home by the Misses McMULLIN and MORSE. ~ Notice of Final Settlement ~ All creditors and others interested in the estate of Charles E. GRAHAM, deceased [...] fourth Monday in February, 1917. Mr. J. W. PATTERSON, Guardian and Curator, Administrator, de bonis non ~ Regular Church Services. ~ -Presbyterian- Rev. A. HILKEMAN preaches regularly at Hillsboro on the first Sunday of each month; at Horine on the second Sunday; at Cedar Hill on the third Sunday; at Belews Creek Chapel on the fourth. -Methodist Church- Pevely: 1st Sunday morning and evening, Hematite: 2nd and 4th Sunday mornings and evenings. Hillsboro: 3rd Sunday morning and evening. Victoria: Saturday night before the 3rd Sunday and also the 5th Sundays. Everybody are prayerfully invited to these Services. R. WALTON, P. C. -Baptist- Rev. George STEEL preaches regularly at Victoria on the second Sunday of each month; at Blackwell on the third Sunday, and at Hillsboro on the fourth. Rev. E. J. EAVES preaches regularly at the following churches: Liberty Baptist Church, the fourth Sunday; There will be services regularly at Glade Chapel on the second Sunday of each month. Regular services at Oakland on first Sunday of each month. Upper Dry Creek has regular services on third Sunday of each month. Where and When to Worship. Hereís a Real Bargain The St. Louis Daily Globe Democrat Every Day Except Sunday One Whole year for Only $2.50 in Clubs of 3 or more [copy of ad not transcribed] The Globe Printing Co., Publishers, St. Louis, MO. ~ Probate Court Docket. ~ February Term, 1917 Docket of cases in which settlements are due from Administrators, Executors, Guardians and Curators, at the ensuing February Term of the Probate Court of Jefferson County, to be held at the c Court House in said County commencing on the fourth (4th) Monday of February, 1917. Name of Estate ............Adm. Guar., Exetr., Cur. Monday, February 26th, 1917, - First Day. 1. BRADLEY, Daniel A. a minor - Thomas J. BRADLEY, and C, Annual 2. BERRY, Minors - Edmund KERRNISH?, Cur., Annual 3. BOSTON, Peter, a minor - Georgia A. BOSTON, Cur., Annual 4. BYRNES, Sam., deceased - Melissa BYRNS, Admix, Final 5. BOWLES, Anderson T., a minor - Charles BOWLES, G. and C., Annual 6. BAILEY, Wilson W., deceased - J. L. BAILEY, Adm. Final 7. BAGE, Clara, deceased - J. A. BAGE, Ex., Final 8. BYRD, G. W., deceased - Margaret M. BYRD and R. E. BYRD, Final 9. BURDS, John William, dec. - Laura C. BURDS, Exx, Semi-annual 10. BUECHTING, Louise, dec - Herman BUECHTING, Ex. Semi-annual 11. BLACKWELL, Wm., dec. - Wm. BLACKWELL, Jr., Adm., Semi-annual 12. BROWN, JOHN, dec. - Caroline BROWN, Admx., Semi-annual 13. BAUR, Frank A., dec - Chatarine [sic] BAUR, Exx., Semi-annual 14. CHOTT, Albert, dec - John CHOTT, Ex., Final Tuesday, February, 27th, 1917, - Second Day 15. COYLE, Mary, dec - G. A. WENOM, Ex., Final 16. CRAFT, Mary A., dec - Elijah BURGESS, Ex., Semi-annual 17. CAMPBELL, Minnie, dec - Michael S. CAMPBELL, Adm., Semi-annual 18. DONNELLY, Elsie, Huck and Frank - A. G. MEDLEY, G. and C., annual 19. DIPPAL, Jacob, dec - Henry DIPPAL, Ex., Final 20. DICKINSON, Walter L., dec - Sarah E. DICKINSON, Exx., Final 21. DONOVAN, J. F., dec - Julius DONOVAN, Admx, Final 22. DICKHUT, Fred, dec - A. G. MEDLEY, P. Ad, Semi-annual 23. ENGLEBACH, John, dec - Dora ENGLEBACH, Admx. Semi-annual 24. ENGLEBACH, Louis, dec - Harold ENGLEBACH, Ex. Semi-annual 25. ECKLE minors - John W. ECKLE, cur., annual 26. EVRARD, Louis J., dec - Eliza Jane EVRARD, Admx. Final 27. GRAHAM, Charles E., a minor - J. W. PATTERSON, G. AND C., Final 28. GNICKWITZ, Robert, a minor - J. F. WALTHER, G. and C., Annual 29. HAGUE, George, dec - P. S. TERRY, Adm., Final Wednesday, February 28, 1917, - Third Day 30. HASTINGS, F. M., dec - J. W. HASTINGS, Adm., Final 31. HUSKEY, Della S., dec - Albert AGAR, Adm., Semi-annual 32. HEMME, Kate, dec - John F. MELER, Ex., Semi-annual 33. KARTE, John Frederich Carl, dec - Martha KARTE, Exx., Final 34. LEWIS , minors - R. B. JONES, Cur., Annual 35. LEONARD, Rose Catherine, dec - Rudolph LEONARD, Ex., Semi-annual 36. MARTIN, Vianna, dec. - D. D. McLANE, Ex., Final 37. MILES, Alex, dec - Alice MILES, Admx., Final 38. MAHONEY, M. D., dec - E. J. MAHONEY, Ex., Final 39. MARSDEN, Elizabeth, dec - C. MARSDEN, Adm. Final 40. MOORE, Jesse Wm., dec - Florence B. MOORE, Admx, Final Thursday, March 1st, 1917, - Fourth Day 41. MELTON, George, dec - A. G. MEDLEY, Adm. de bonis non, Final? [dark part, looks like an F] 42. MAUPIN, Stanley, a minor - W. W. MAUPIN, G. and C. [dark part, totally unreadable] 43. MUNSON, Cordelia, dec - Ida E. WILLS, Exx., Final 44. McMULLIN Minors - F. E. McMULLIN, G. and C., Annual 45. McMULLIN Minors - Archie McMULLIN, G. and C., Annual 46. McELWAINE Minors - Mary McELWAINE, G. and C., Annual 48. McMULLIN, Harry, a minor - William McCARTY, G. and C., Annual 49. McCARTY Minors - William McCARTY, G. and C., Annual 50. McCARTY, W. B., a minor - Emmet McCARTY, G. and C., Annual 51. NANSEL, William, dec - Geo. VOGT, Adm., Final 52. POHLMAN, Annie, insane - A. G. MEDLEY, Guar., Annual Friday, March 2nd, 1917, - Fifth Day. 53. PUCKETT, James Allen, dec - Edmund KERRVEISH, Ex., Final 54. PARKER, Elijah T., dec - H. Ellis VAUGHN, Ad., de bonis non [dark, status not readable] [55. is skipped here and appears at the end of the sixth day] 56. RUESS, Edward Simon, dec - R. B. REYER, G. and C. Annual 57. SCHWALBERT Minors - Mary RUESK, Admx. Semi-Annual 58. SCHUBEL, Henry Louis, dec. - Wm. SCHWAL????, Cur., Annual 59. STATZEL, Hannah, dec - F. E. SCHUBEL, Adm., Final 60. SCHMIDT, August, dec - A. G. MEDLEY, Adm. Annual 61. SAFFELL, Samuel E., dec - George MANN, Ex. Semi-annual 62. SCHULZ, Brees?, dec. - Bessie SAFFELL, Admx., Final 63. TSCHUMPERT, Peter, insane - Ludwig SCHULZ, Adm. Final 64. TULLOCK, John W., dec - Felix LOUTZINGER, Guar., Annual Saturday, March 3rd, 1917, -Sixth Day. 65.TULLOCK, Walter, dec - Mary TULLOCK, Admx., Final 66. WILSON, Minors - J. E. TULLOCK, Adm., Final 67. WILLIAMS, L???int, dec - Jennie[or Jennis] W????, Cur., Annual 68. WHALEY, Harvey, dec - E.D. SMITH, Adm., Final 69. WYNN, Mathew, dec. - Arthy WHALEY, Admx., Final 70. WEAVER, John L. dec - Magdaline W???, Exx., Final 71. WHITESIDES, Naomi, dec. - Mrs. F. A. A. WEAVER, Admx., Annual 72. YATES, Ramond, a minor - G. A. WENOM, Adm., Final 55. REMICK, minors - Arthy WHALEY, Cur., Annual J. P. MILLER, Judge of Probate Court

===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard/ Mary Cissell Dear List, I was examining this will of Thomas Howard who married Ann Gough daughter of Peter Gough and Eleanor Bowles. I noticed something that I have never paid attention to. I'm always trying to figure out who this Mary Cissell was he mentions in his will, but the real thing I should have noticed was he calls this Mary Cissell his Niece. Now Somewhere If I remember Correctly in the history of St. Thomas Church when it discusses Edward Howard does it every say Thomas Howard was his only son? If Edward Howard had other sons any children they had would be Nieces and Nephews of Thomas Howard, but they would all carry the name Howard, but If Thomas Howard had sisters then his Nieces and Nephews of his Sister or Sisters, would carry the Surname of who they Married. What I never noticed before is that Mary Cissell is the Niece of Thomas Howard, which means that Thomas Howard had a Sister (don't know her name) who married a ? Cissell, and they had a daughter Mary Cissell. Anybody got any idea of a possibility of a female ? Howard who married a ? Cissell? No wonder the Cissell Family has close ties to Howard Family. I then got this idea to look at James Vessells and temperance Tippets and their Children: Mary Vessells married Jeremiah Cissell son of John Baptist Cissell and Rebecca ? Charles Vessells married Catherine Howard daughter of James Howard a Mary Jackson. James Howard is supposed to be a brother to Edward Howard whose son Thomas Howard (has a Mary Cissell for a niece) William Vessells married Elizabeth "Betsy" Mills (anyone know her parents) Thomas Vessells (don't know if or who he married) James Vessells married Eleanor Mattingly daughter of Joseph f. Mattingly and Hessina Hinton. Benjamin Vessells ann Drury(does anyone know her parents) John Vessells married Mary Peterson daughter of Henry Peterson and Olivia Smock her brother Henry Smock was either a witness on will of John Baptist Howard or his brother James Howard who married Mary Jackson. Elijah Vessells married Catherine Forrest (can anyone tell me her parents?) was she related to Thomas Forrest who married Mary "Mollie" Howard daughter of James Howard and Mary Jackson. I believe that James Vessells his father was also a witness on will of James Howard who died 1803 in Washington County, KY Susanna Vessells married John Oard Elizabeth Vessells married William Lampkin pg 47; Will book 209. Will of Thomas Howard. Wife Ann, negroes, plantation and stock. Niece Mary Cissell, some stock and furniture. A part of the land devised to the Catholic Church. Exec: wife Ann. Wit: Henry Burch, Raphael Knotts & Valin Hefner. Written 28 May 1810, prob 16 Jul 1810. Rest of the listings for Thomas Howard- Will Abstracts 1785-1820, Nelson Co Genealogists: same source, pg 48 ; Will Book pg 242: Inventory of personal estate of Thomas Howard, dec'd by Edward Montgomery, Joshua Hobbs & John Jupin. 24 Nov 1810. same source-pg 77: 2 listings for Howard: pg 420: Appraisal of the personal estate of William Howard, dec'd, by Thomas Linthicum, Thomas Lewis, Cyrus Talbot & Joseph Ferguson. Ordered Dec 1815. Total $864.37 1/2 + 18 negroes valued at $5770. I then started to study which Cissells had daughters named Mary. John Baptist Cissell and 2nd wife Ann ? had a daughter Mary Cissell and she married Charles Howard son of John Baptist Howard and Elizabeth Johnson, But I don't think Thomas Howard was referring to that Mary Cissell as his Niece, because She was already married to Charles Howard by the time his will was probated, unless he made his will before date of Marriage of Mary Cissell to Charles Howard. Peter Cissell married an Eleanor ? they had a daughter Mary Cissell who married John Hanson Burch on 14 Sept 1811 in Nelson County, Ky This is after date that Thomas Howard's will was Probated. Is this The Mary Cissell Thomas Howard was Referring to in his will? If so we know this Mary Cissell came to Nelson County, KY because John Hanson Burch did Also. Remember that John Hanson Burch had a sister Priscilla Burch who married Valentine Hefner a witness on will of Thomas Howard. His brother Alexander " Sandy" Burch married Eleanor Cissell daughter of Peter Cissell and Eleanor ?(who I believe was Thomas Howard's Sister) Burch Family are Witnesses on will I Believe of John Baptist Howard. So I present a new thought, Could it be that Eleanor ? wife of Peter Cissell was a Howard by maiden name? was she the daughter of Edward Howard, and the sister of Thomas Howard who died in 1810 in Nelson County, KY. Please tell me is there a possibility? I think I'm on to something. ============================================ From: Linda Reno [mailto:lindareno@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:37 AM To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough I'm still seeking around, but my best guess at this point is that the Mary Cissell that Thomas Howard named in his will was the daughter of Peter Cissell (d. 1803, Washington Co., KY) and wife, Eleanor. Their daughter, Mary Cissell married John Hanson Burch, 9/14/1811, so therefore she would have been a Cissell at the time of Thomas Howard's will. Question is, was Eleanor, wife of Peter Cissell a Howard. I have none that fit, but then I've never been able to place Thomas, John Baptist, or Edward Howard either. The other one I looked hard at was that she was a daughter of Sarah Howard (dau. of John Baptist Howard, brother of Thomas) and Matthew Cissell who were married in KY on March 17, 1795. Did they have a daughter by that name? Linda Reno ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net> Subject: Thomas Howard and Ann Gough I'm still seeking around, but my best guess at this point is that the Mary Cissell that Thomas Howard named in his will was the daughter of Peter Cissell (d. 1803, Washington Co., KY) and wife, Eleanor. Their daughter, Mary Cissell married John Hanson Burch, 9/14/1811, so therefore she would have been a Cissell at the time of Thomas Howard's will. Question is, was Eleanor, wife of Peter Cissell a Howard. I have none that fit, but then I've never been able to place Thomas, John Baptist, or Edward Howard either. The other one I looked hard at was that she was a daughter of Sarah Howard (dau. of John Baptist Howard, brother of Thomas) and Matthew Cissell who were married in KY on March 17, 1795. Did they have a daughter by that name? Linda Reno ===================================================================== Match: Bowles Source: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [MDSTMARY-L] Thomas Howard and Ann Gough Linda, Amazing that we are on same page. I just wrote you a letter suggesting same thing, after I sent it then I checked my E-mail and noticed you had suggested same thing. Eleanor ? wife of Peter Cissell has to be Eleanor Howard. Yes Yes I agree.

===================================================================== Match: Boles Source: KYBARREN-L@rootsweb.com From: sgorin@glasgow-ky.com Subject: Oscar WILLIAMS - 13 Feb 1913, age 15 months This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Williams, Boles Classification: Death Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TAB.2ACI/14121 Message Board Post: NOTE: I have no connection and no further information. Death record from the files of the late Eva Coe Peden. Oscar Williams: Died Feb 13, 1913, age 15 months. Cause: Meningitis. Parents: James A Williams and Lizzie Boles. Burial at Slick Rock. Unable to locate

This is what I have on this family. Please correct me if I have anything wrong. If you can add please do so. Thank You Theresa Bowles Hutchins Descendants of John Bartley Bowles Generation No. 1 1. JOHN BARTLEY2 BOWLES (UNKNOWN1)1 was born February 06, 1769 in North Carolina2, and died Bef. 1840 in Iredell County, NC2. He married (1) ELIZABETH GILLIAM BARKER3 January 31, 17974. She was born March 01, 17764. He married (2) ESTELL WOODARD5 Aft. 18206. Children of JOHN BOWLES and ELIZABETH BARKER are: i. JAMES ALEXANDER3 BOWLES7, b. December 08, 17978. ii. JOHN BARNETT BOWLES9, b. December 04, 179910. 2. iii. BENJAMIN GOSHEN BOWLES, b. April 06, 1802. 3. iv. WILLIAM GUNN BOWLES, b. November 01, 1803; d. Aft. 1880, Alexander County, North Carolina. v. ISAAC GILLEN BOWLES11, b. June 18, 1809, Montgomery County, NC12; d. August 05, 1809, Montgomery County, NC12. vi. ELIZABETH BOWLES13, b. March 22, 181014; m. JAMES CAMPBELL15. vii. REBEKAH BOWLES15, b. August 05, 181116; m. MARTIN STEVENSON17. viii. HARRIETT BOWLES17, b. January 30, 181218. 4. ix. JEREMIAH BOWLES, b. March 05, 1814; d. Aft. 1880, Iredell County, North Carolina. x. GEORGE DAVID BOWLES19, b. June 26, 181620; m. LEAH UNKNOWN21; b. Abt. 182322. xi. NANCY BOWLES23, b. June 04, 181924; m. ROBERT JOHNSON25. Generation No. 2 2. BENJAMIN GOSHEN3 BOWLES (JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)25 was born April 06, 180226. He married LAVINIA HINES. Child of BENJAMIN BOWLES and LAVINIA HINES is: 5. i. JOHN JEFFERSON4 BOWLES, b. 1849. 3. WILLIAM GUNN3 BOWLES (JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)27 was born November 01, 180328, and died Aft. 1880 in Alexander County, North Carolina29. He married MARGARET UNKNOWN. Children of WILLIAM BOWLES and MARGARET UNKNOWN are: i. SERENA4 BOWLES, b. Abt. 1834. ii. BETSY BOWLES, b. Abt. 1836. iii. MARTHA BOWLES, b. Abt. 1837; m. N.A. CHILDERS, December 21, 1865, Alexander County, North Carolina. iv. REBECCA BOWLES, b. Abt. 1839. v. CAROLINE BOWLES, b. Abt. 1844. vi. RINDA BOWLES, b. Abt. 1845. vii. MARY BOWLES, b. Abt. 1848. 4. JEREMIAH3 BOWLES (JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)30 was born March 05, 181431, and died Aft. 1880 in Iredell County, North Carolina32. He married (1) UNICA "NINA" SLOAN33 183534, daughter of JEREMIAH GREEN SLOAN. She was born March 29, 1816 in Iredell County, North Carolina, and died March 1897 in Iredell County, North Carolina. He married (2) ESTELL WILLIAMS35 April 14, 1899 in Iredell County, NC36. She was born Abt. 186836. More About UNICA "NINA" SLOAN: Burial: Damascus Baptist Church Cemetery, Iredell County, North Carolina Children of JEREMIAH BOWLES and UNICA SLOAN are: i. MARGARET4 BOWLES37. ii. MELMOTH A. BOWLES37, b. Abt. 183838. iii. SARAH C. BOWLES39, b. Abt. 184040. iv. SOPHIA BOWLES41, b. Abt. 184242. v. JOHN B.A. BOWLES43, b. Abt. 184444. vi. LAFAYETTE W. BOWLES45, b. Abt. 184646. vii. MARY R. M. BOWLES47, b. February 14, 1850, Iredell County, North Carolina48; d. November 02, 1911, Iredell County, North Carolina; m. WILLIAM ALLISON JORDAN49, March 07, 1871, Iredell County, North Carolina; b. Abt. 1848. More About MARY R. M. BOWLES: Burial: New Prospect Baptist Church, Iredell County, North Carolina More About WILLIAM ALLISON JORDAN: Burial: New Prospect Baptist Church, Iredell County, North Carolina viii. RUFUS BOWLES50, b. Abt. 1851. ix. EMMA LUCY BOWLES50, b. Abt. 1854. 6. x. HARRIET AMELIA LUTICIA BOWLES, b. November 14, 1855, Iredell County, North Carolina; d. October 15, 1940, Forsyth County, North Carolina. 7. xi. ADOLPHUS B. WOODARD BOWLES, b. August 1857, Iredell County, NC; d. Aft. 1910, Sharpesburg Township, Iredell County, NC. 8. xii. REUBEN C. BOWLES, b. April 1858, Iredell County, NC; d. Aft. 1910, Iredell County, NC. Generation No. 3 5. JOHN JEFFERSON4 BOWLES (BENJAMIN GOSHEN3, JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)51 was born 1849. He married MARGARET ADELINE "ADDIE" DEAL51. Children of JOHN BOWLES and MARGARET DEAL are: i. CLATE5 BOWLES. ii. THOMAS JEFFERSON BOWLES. iii. VERCIE BOWLES. iv. NENDER ALEXANDER BOWLES. v. EFFIE LOU BOWLES. vi. LACY ERMIE BOWLES. vii. JOHN FRANKLIN BOWLES. viii. BENJAMIN COURTNEY BOWLES. 6. HARRIET AMELIA LUTICIA4 BOWLES (JEREMIAH3, JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)52 was born November 14, 1855 in Iredell County, North Carolina, and died October 15, 1940 in Forsyth County, North Carolina. She married GEHIEL ESROM SLOAN52 July 22, 1874 in Iredell County, NC53, son of IRAM SLOAN and PAULINA WILLIAMS. He was born June 12, 1853 in Iredell County, North Carolina, and died August 15, 1945. More About HARRIET AMELIA LUTICIA BOWLES: Burial: New Philadephia Moravian Church, Forsyth County, North Carolina54 More About GEHIEL ESROM SLOAN: Burial: New Philadephia Moravian Church, Forsyth County, North Carolina Children of HARRIET BOWLES and GEHIEL SLOAN are: i. MINNIE ARMANDA5 SLOAN, b. May 30, 1875, Iredell County, North Carolina; d. December 19, 1964. ii. EDWARD GASTON SLOAN, b. April 10, 1877, Iredell County, North Carolina; d. April 07, 1966, Statesville, Iredell County, North Carolina. iii. ROGER LEE SLOAN, b. July 30, 1879; d. October 31, 1958, Iredell County, North Carolina. iv. ALDA FLORA SLOAN, b. March 1881; d. 1939; m. LUTHER TEMPLETON. v. CHESTER CORNISH SLOAN, b. November 20, 1885; d. October 23, 1972, Yadkin County, North Carolina. vi. BOWLES SLOAN, b. Abt. 1887; d. October 23, 1890, Iredell County, North Carolina. vii. NORDEEN SLOAN, b. Abt. 1889; d. February 15, 1891, Iredell County, North Carolina. 7. ADOLPHUS B. WOODARD4 BOWLES (JEREMIAH3, JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)55 was born August 1857 in Iredell County, NC56, and died Aft. 1910 in Sharpesburg Township, Iredell County, NC56. He married MARY A. UNKNOWN57 Abt. 189758. She was born March 1873. Children of ADOLPHUS BOWLES and MARY UNKNOWN are: i. ERNEST L.5 BOWLES59, b. September 1897. ii. DWIGHT M. BOWLES59, b. February 1898. iii. THOMAS C. BOWLES59, b. March 10, 1901; d. May 1975, Iredell County, North Carolina. iv. FOY A. BOWLES59, b. October 11, 1902, Iredell County, North Carolina; d. November 1984, Iredell County, North Carolina. v. MARGARET G. BOWLES59, b. Abt. 1904; d. June 17, 1954, Charlotte, North Carolina. More About MARGARET G. BOWLES: Burial: Mountain View Methodist Church, Statesville, North Carolina60 vi. MARY L. BOWLES61, b. Abt. 1906. vii. PERRY F. BOWLES61, b. February 27, 1907, Iredell County, North Carolina; d. November 1965. viii. DOVY E. BOWLES61, b. Abt. 1909. 8. REUBEN C.4 BOWLES (JEREMIAH3, JOHN BARTLEY2, UNKNOWN1)61 was born April 1858 in Iredell County, NC62, and died Aft. 1910 in Iredell County, NC62. He married CALLIE UNKNOWN63. Children of REUBEN BOWLES and CALLIE UNKNOWN are: i. JOHN5 BOWLES, b. August 1883, Iredell County, North Carolina. ii. CLARENCE BOWLES, b. May 1886, Iredell County, North Carolina. iii. PEARL BOWLES, b. March 1890, Iredell County, North Carolina. iv. LAFAYETTE BOWLES, b. September 1892, Iredell County, North Carolina. v. MARY BOWLES, b. May 1894, Iredell County, North Carolina. vi. MONA BOWLES, b. May 1897, Iredell County, North Carolina. vii. ROSWELL BOWLES, b. October 1899, Iredell County, North Carolina. viii. MELMOTH BOWLES, b. 1903, Iredell County, North Carolina; m. ANNA BELL JACKSON, February 18, 1919, Davie County, North Carolina64. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Lail" <crlail41@charter.net> To: <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: John Barnett Bowles > John Barnette Bowles b. Wilkes County NC ca. 1799 m. Clarsy Jordan ca > 1820. John supposedly died somewhere in Ill. Can anyone enlighten me on > this situation, such as, parents names, any dates, locations etc., I think > his father was John Bowles who married Elizabeth Barker. If so, where were > they from? Where did they go? John Barnette had a son William H. Bowles > who m. Cansady Williams and had a daughter Ada Belle Bowles who married my > grandfather Adopphus D. Lail in Alexander Ccounty NC. > > HELP!!!!!!!! > > Charles Lail > Catawba County NC >

I would like to communicate with anyone studying the family of Thomas Bowles b: 1791 of Worksop Nottingham England. He was the Son of Richard Bowles and Ann. Thomas and wife? had 13 children. This may be a link for me and my ggggrandfather Richard Bowles born about 1818. Randi

John Barnette Bowles b. Wilkes County NC ca. 1799 m. Clarsy Jordan ca 1820. John supposedly died somewhere in Ill. Can anyone enlighten me on this situation, such as, parents names, any dates, locations etc., I think his father was John Bowles who married Elizabeth Barker. If so, where were they from? Where did they go? John Barnette had a son William H. Bowles who m. Cansady Williams and had a daughter Ada Belle Bowles who married my grandfather Adopphus D. Lail in Alexander Ccounty NC. HELP!!!!!!!! Charles Lail Catawba County NC

Am I correct in believing that (John Bould) Bowles married Eleanor Cecil (Cissell)? John's wife Eleanor (Cecil) married John Medley Thompson after John's death. Eleanor Bowles daughter of John and Eleanor Bowles married Peter Gough? Leathel, 7/11/1737: Admin. accts. of John Bould, ST. Mary Co, MD. Sureties: Peter Ford, John MacIntosh. Distribution to: accountant, 1/3. Residue to (orphans): John Bould, James Bould, Elizabeth Bould, Mary Bould, Winifred Bould, Eleanor Bould, Mary Ann Bould. Adm: Eleanor Thompson, wife of John Medley Thompson.