With the fresh evidence of DNA that connects these three kits, let's take another look at them. 30104 traces back to Elijah and Mary Bowles of Virginia/Kentucky. If we assume that we are accurate in identifying this Elijah as the one who was a wagoner/carpenter in Richmond VA in 1782-84, then we know that he was born about 1751 and that his wife, Mary, was born about 1762. We also know that they had a son named Claiborne, who was born about 1782, probably in Richmond. This is documented as shown below: 1782 Richmond City (VA) Census Wardship No. 1, p. 111 Bowles, Elijah, age 31, occupation wagoner Bowles, Mary (wife), age 22 Bowles, Claiborne (son), infant RICHMOND VA CENSUS: 1784 - Return of Inhabitants ELIJAH BOWLES: Age 32; Carpenter; Lot 519; Res: 3 years. Mary 24; Claiborne Bowles 2; Christian Bowles 1; SLAVES: Jemmy 12. ----- We also see another son named Christian, born about 1783. Nothing more is known about him at this time. By 1809, Elijah Bowles (Boles) was in Barren County KY, as shown by the evidence that he bought 100 acres on the headwaters of Peters Creek from James Thomas of Warren County TN in 1809 (Barren County deed book B, page 270). Then he deeded land on Peters Creek to Claborn Boles in 1811 (Barren County deed book D, page 294), and Clabourn Bowles deeded land on the headwaters of Peters Creek to Zachariah Bowls in 1819 (Barren County deed book G, page 425). Elijah and Claiborne Bowles are both in the 1810 Barren County census as shown below: 1810 Federal Census: Kentucky, Barren County page 43 - Elija Bowls - 20201-11101-00 2 males under 10; 2 males 16-25; 1 male 45+; 1 female under 10; 1 female 10-15; 1 female 16-25; 1 female 45+ page 47 - Cleburn Bowls - 10110-20100-06 1 male under 10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44; 2 females under 10, 1 female 16-25 One more note of interest in this family: In Anderson Bowles' will, dated 28 Apr 1811 and probated in May 1811 in Barren County [Barren Co Will Book 1, p. 137], he leaves items to Ginsey Bowles, his sister, and Sackkeyriah Bowles, his brother. The will was witnessed by Thomas Johnston, Jackky Bowles, and Claibourn Bowles. These documents suggest the possibility that Claiborne Bowles, Anderson Bowles, Virginia "Ginsey" Bowles, Jacky (John Fleming) Bowles, and Zachariah Bowles were all children of Elijah Bowles. This is perhaps confirmed by kit 30721 which traces back to John Fleming Bowles who was born 11 Mar 1790 in Virginia, and who married Malinda Holtsclaw in 1812 in Barren County. More about him in a minute. Back to Anderson Bowles, he had to be old enough in 1811 in leave a will, so he must have been at least 21 then and born no later than about 1790. He could have been older of course. He was almost certainly not married, nor did he own land, since he left livestock to his sister and brother, but nothing to anyone else. Finally we turn to kit 36011 that traces back to Hezekiah Bowles. Actually I have census evidence for Elijah Bowles who married Emaline Carder, and whose mother was named Martha. I have not seen actual documentation for Martha's husband's name, but the owner of this kit indicates that he was Hezekiah Bowles, born about 1805. Now, let's take all this together, looking especially at the 1810 census record for Elijah Bowles. In that census he had two males under 10, and two males 16-25. I suggest that the two males 16-25 are John Fleming Bowles who got married in 1812, and Anderson Bowles who seems to have died in 1811. Further, I suggest that one of the two males under 10 was Hezekiah Bowles, born about 1805. Comments are welcome. Charlie

Charlie, Good Deductions and I hope you can do the same for "me and mine" when my kit results come in! Randi Charles Hartley <hartley@iglou.com> wrote:With the fresh evidence of DNA that connects these three kits, let's take another look at them. 30104 traces back to Elijah and Mary Bowles of Virginia/Kentucky. If we assume that we are accurate in identifying this Elijah as the one who was a wagoner/carpenter in Richmond VA in 1782-84, then we know that he was born about 1751 and that his wife, Mary, was born about 1762. We also know that they had a son named Claiborne, who was born about 1782, probably in Richmond. This is documented as shown below: 1782 Richmond City (VA) Census Wardship No. 1, p. 111 Bowles, Elijah, age 31, occupation wagoner Bowles, Mary (wife), age 22 Bowles, Claiborne (son), infant RICHMOND VA CENSUS: 1784 - Return of Inhabitants ELIJAH BOWLES: Age 32; Carpenter; Lot 519; Res: 3 years. Mary 24; Claiborne Bowles 2; Christian Bowles 1; SLAVES: Jemmy 12. ----- We also see another son named Christian, born about 1783. Nothing more is known about him at this time. By 1809, Elijah Bowles (Boles) was in Barren County KY, as shown by the evidence that he bought 100 acres on the headwaters of Peters Creek from James Thomas of Warren County TN in 1809 (Barren County deed book B, page 270). Then he deeded land on Peters Creek to Claborn Boles in 1811 (Barren County deed book D, page 294), and Clabourn Bowles deeded land on the headwaters of Peters Creek to Zachariah Bowls in 1819 (Barren County deed book G, page 425). Elijah and Claiborne Bowles are both in the 1810 Barren County census as shown below: 1810 Federal Census: Kentucky, Barren County page 43 - Elija Bowls - 20201-11101-00 2 males under 10; 2 males 16-25; 1 male 45+; 1 female under 10; 1 female 10-15; 1 female 16-25; 1 female 45+ page 47 - Cleburn Bowls - 10110-20100-06 1 male under 10, 1 male 16-25, 1 male 26-44; 2 females under 10, 1 female 16-25 One more note of interest in this family: In Anderson Bowles' will, dated 28 Apr 1811 and probated in May 1811 in Barren County [Barren Co Will Book 1, p. 137], he leaves items to Ginsey Bowles, his sister, and Sackkeyriah Bowles, his brother. The will was witnessed by Thomas Johnston, Jackky Bowles, and Claibourn Bowles. These documents suggest the possibility that Claiborne Bowles, Anderson Bowles, Virginia "Ginsey" Bowles, Jacky (John Fleming) Bowles, and Zachariah Bowles were all children of Elijah Bowles. This is perhaps confirmed by kit 30721 which traces back to John Fleming Bowles who was born 11 Mar 1790 in Virginia, and who married Malinda Holtsclaw in 1812 in Barren County. More about him in a minute. Back to Anderson Bowles, he had to be old enough in 1811 in leave a will, so he must have been at least 21 then and born no later than about 1790. He could have been older of course. He was almost certainly not married, nor did he own land, since he left livestock to his sister and brother, but nothing to anyone else. Finally we turn to kit 36011 that traces back to Hezekiah Bowles. Actually I have census evidence for Elijah Bowles who married Emaline Carder, and whose mother was named Martha. I have not seen actual documentation for Martha's husband's name, but the owner of this kit indicates that he was Hezekiah Bowles, born about 1805. Now, let's take all this together, looking especially at the 1810 census record for Elijah Bowles. In that census he had two males under 10, and two males 16-25. I suggest that the two males 16-25 are John Fleming Bowles who got married in 1812, and Anderson Bowles who seems to have died in 1811. Further, I suggest that one of the two males under 10 was Hezekiah Bowles, born about 1805. Comments are welcome. Charlie Randi Bowles-Meentzen

Hi Ed, It seems there is a Bowles Cem located on the north side of Hwy 1297, 2 miles east of the Old Zion Methodist Church. It is situated about 600 feet off the road on the crest of a hill and can be seen at one point from 1297. 1297 is west of Glasgow Ky not to far from Rocky Hill Becton road. Nathaniel V. Bowles is buried there and maybe others, he would be our Gr Gr Uncle I think. Are you still going to get the Dna? Dale

I've been on the road for two weeks without a computer, so this means that I'll be going through the Personalized Mailing Lists that have come in each day and culling out the relevant Bowles information for you. I want to warn any newcomers that I'll be posting about ten items a day to the Bowles list until I get through all the PMLs. You've already seen that this isn't our usual daily number so don't panic. From time to time when I have to be gone, you won't see any postings from me at all...and then when I get home there will be clumps of them. That will probably be the pattern for the rest of the year. Very best, Linne

The South-Central Kentucky list just had a notice of many of the surnames listed in various KY cemeteries. In a quick scan I noticed a great many of our allied surnames there. Give it a go! Linne http://www.so-ky.com/htm/whatsnew.htm

The results for kit #36011 are in and they match 24/25 with kits 30104 and 30721. All three of these trace ancestors to Barren County KY. 30104 - Elijah Bowles, born abt 1751 in Virginia; in Barren County KY by 1809. 30721 - John Fleming Bowles, born 11 Mar 1790 in Virginia, died 1838 in Barren County KY. 36011 - Hezekiah Bowles, born abt 1805; family appears in Monroe County KY by 1850. It sounds like these folks have a lot to talk about. To see the current results, go to our web page at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/bowlesdna.html]. To join our group, go to [http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=W26816&special=true]. For more information, ask me. [mailto:hartley@iglou.com]. Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator

Brenda, If you are talking about Peter M. (Morris) Bowles, he died in 1905 He was my Grandfather. Dale Bowles ----- Original Message ----- From: <BLJONES00@aol.com> To: <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:03 AM Subject: Re: Peter M Bowles > Hartley, > Since there is no 1890 census. We know by his age he probably didn't make > it > to 1800. Unless someone has written a genealogy you may never know for > sure. > As you know the Land carries the information that you need. Death and so > forth. I too am from some of these families. I am a Glasgow and By??? > Check where > the children were or went. Your best is checking the land deeds at this > point. By going some old timer might tell you. Then the families around > them is > also helpful. I would do all the research that I could before going. No > one > has answers for jypo's unless it has been written. Answering these > questions > would tell you if they moved. Then it would be assumed that he was buried > in > KY. The location would be closer to an answer. > Loving, Brenda Lee Emerson Jones >

Recently, there was some discussion about a Joshua Bowles, son of a Benjamin Bowles and a Nancy Unknown. I have searched all over for a Joshua Bowls or Bowles and am wondering if my Joshua and this Joshua, son of Benjamin are one and the same. My Joshua died before 1780 (he was listed in a will as having two sons. I found those two sons on the Tax List for Henry County. One was named John and the other James. The only other Joshua I can find was in New England and was still alive in 1782. So, that is not him. My Joshua married Sarah Rowland in Henry County, Virginia and apparently lived there at some time with the grandparents John Rowland b. abt 1675 and Elizabeth Hampton Rowland b. abt 1690 (both born in James City, Virginia?). They settled in Henry Co., Virginia and had two sons named Andrew and Benjamin. Andrew is the father of Sarah who married Joshua Bowles (listed in the will as Bowls). Now I am beginning to believe that this Joshua may go back to the John Bowles who came over with Sir Francis Wyatt. Never thought this information might apply to my line but can someone tell me the lastest on these John Bowles lines or where I might find it? Please! More mystery, Anne

Hartley, There is another possibility that has to be considered. The Walker's Line that was put down and argued over between TN and KY. Twelve miles are still today being argued over if it was TN or KY. I am told that rocks are still being thrown today back and forth. Franklin KY is on the line. Your lucky that yours was 1880 and not 1800. Franklin is another name in my Genealogy. Loving, Brenda Lee Emerson Jones

Hartley, Since there is no 1890 census. We know by his age he probably didn't make it to 1800. Unless someone has written a genealogy you may never know for sure. As you know the Land carries the information that you need. Death and so forth. I too am from some of these families. I am a Glasgow and By??? Check where the children were or went. Your best is checking the land deeds at this point. By going some old timer might tell you. Then the families around them is also helpful. I would do all the research that I could before going. No one has answers for jypo's unless it has been written. Answering these questions would tell you if they moved. Then it would be assumed that he was buried in KY. The location would be closer to an answer. Loving, Brenda Lee Emerson Jones

Hello, Hartley, I am an Emerson and from a long line of Henry's, I too would like to know about this research on Amy Emerson and Bowles. I knew that Henry was out in KY but didn't know of the connection. Mine were in NC; GA: AR; and now TX. One of the old timers with this group in KY was a Wheeler who also married an Emerson. I've seen a book that has the Wheeler's when they came others but can't remember off the top of my head today must be CRS. Loving, Brenda Lee Emerson Jones

Ed, I don't know where Peter Bowles is buried. Here is what I've collected on his family. He was alive in 1880 Barren County KY census. BOWLES, Peter marriage to Amy Emerson, Nov 14, 1843, Sur. Henry Emerson, Jr. Md. Nov 16, 1843 by Zack. Emerson, Barren County KY 1850 Federal Census: Kentucky, Barren County, Glasgow in First Division, page 400B household 1342/1378 Peter Bowles - 30 M, house carpenter, $300, KY Amy E. Bowles - 27 F, VA Thomas H. Bowles - 5 M, KY John W. Bowles - 4 M, KY BOWLES, Peter M. marriage to COURTS, Delila 20/21 Jan 1858 at Glasgow presence Jno Sohn (?), Wm. Shirley and Polly Bybee, by H. C. Read. 1870 Federal Census: Kentucky, Barren County, Glasgow, page 6 household 40/40 Boles, Peter M. - 53 M W, carpenter, KY Boles, Delila - 35 F W, housekeeping, KY Boles, Emma D. - 11 F W, KY Boles, Ann E. - 8 F W, KY Boles, Mary E. - 6 F W, KY Boles, Charles - 6 M W, KY Boles, Minnie L. 9/12 (Aug) F W, KY 1880 Federal Census: Kentucky, Barren County, Rocky Hill, page 21 household 185/196 Boles, Peter - W M 60, house carpenter, KY KY KY Boles, Delila - W F 44, wife, keeping house, KY KY KY Boles, Emma D. - W F 20, daughter, KY KY KY Boles, Annie - W F 17, daughter, KY KY KY Boles, Mary E. - W F 15, daughter, KY KY KY Boles, C. W. - W M 13, son, works on farm, KY KY KY Boles, Minnie - W F 8, daughter, KY KY KY Boles, Ida Wood - W F 7, daughter, KY KY KY Boles, James - W M 6, son, KY KY KY Boles, Joe Francis - W M 3, son, KY KY KY >Does anyone have information about the cemetery that Peter M Bowles in >buried in or how l could find this information? I plan on going to Kentucky >soon and would like to stop by Peter's burial place if possible.

Hi Ed, A notice in a newspaper stated that Peter M. (Morris) Bowles died in 1905 and was buried in Rocky Hill Cem. There is a Rocky Hill in Warren Co. and one in Barren Co. near Becton Ky. Let me know if you find the grave. Dale Bowles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Bowles" <ceb09@comcast.net> To: <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Peter M Bowles > Does anyone have information about the cemetery that Peter M Bowles in > buried in or how l could find this information? I plan on going to > Kentucky > soon and would like to stop by Peter’s burial place if possible. > > > > Peter is my gggrandfather and the son of Thomas T Bowles of Barren county > Ky. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ed Bowles > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.6/19 - Release Date: 6/16/2005 > >

Ed, I just checked through the Barren County, Kentucky Cemetery Records and I did not find a listing for Peter M. Bowles. Don Winn -----Original Message----- From: Ed Bowles [mailto:ceb09@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:29 AM To: BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Peter M Bowles Does anyone have information about the cemetery that Peter M Bowles in buried in or how l could find this information? I plan on going to Kentucky soon and would like to stop by Peter’s burial place if possible. Peter is my gggrandfather and the son of Thomas T Bowles of Barren county Ky. Thanks, Ed Bowles -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.6/19 - Release Date: 6/16/2005

That is a really well put together family page. Worth taking a look at even if it's not your line! Randi Bowles Charles Hartley <hartley@iglou.com> wrote: We have a new participant from Canada (kit #38140) whose ancestors trace back to George and Barbara (Young/Jung) Bowles of Tipperary, Ireland. Tom LaPorte, who is working hard collecting information about Bowles in Canada, has detailed this family at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bowlesfamily/peel_george_bowles_family_tree.htm]. Their background in Ireland is at [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bowlesfamily/peel_ireland_origins.htm]. We now have 26 participants. Who will be #27? Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator [mailto:hartley@iglou.com] Bowles DNA Project Join Page: [http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=W26816&special=true] Bowles DNA Project Information Page: [http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gensoup/bowlesdna.html] Randi Bowles-Meentzen

Does anyone have information about the cemetery that Peter M Bowles in buried in or how l could find this information? I plan on going to Kentucky soon and would like to stop by Peter’s burial place if possible. Peter is my gggrandfather and the son of Thomas T Bowles of Barren county Ky. Thanks, Ed Bowles -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.6/19 - Release Date: 6/16/2005

I collected the following census records for someone privately, and thought they might be useful to someone else, so here they are. I have no additional information. 1850 Federal Census: Kentucky, Christian County, page 385 household 369/399 George B. Bowles - 25 M, farmer, KY Lucy A. Bowles - 25 F, KY Samuel Crutchfield - 55 M, farmer, KY household 375/405 James Bowles - 52 M, farmer, KY Mary Bowles - 42 F, KY Margaret Bowles - 16 F, KY Susan Bowles - 13 F, KY Virginia Bowles - 10 F, KY America Bowles - 8 F, KY George W. Bowles - 5 M, KY household 376-406 William H. Bowles - 36 M, farmer, KY Catharine P. Bowles - 36 M, KY James W. Bowles - 10 M, KY Henry H. Bowles - 7 M, KY Mary T. Bowles - 4 F, KY Thomas Shaw - 21 M, laborer, KY household 377/407 Augustus Bowles - 38 M, farmer, KY Sidney A. Bowles - 32 F, TN Huston L. Bowles - 9 M, KY Maxwell D. Bowles - 7 M, KY Mary E. Bowles - 5 F, KY Elvira Bowles - 3 F, KY Sidney E. Bowles - 1 F, KY For what it's worth, the James Bowles, age 52, is the oldest Bowles in Christian County in 1850. I suspect he is an older brother to the others listed here. The next two are from 1860 and appear on the same census page: 1860 Federal Census: Kentucky, Christian County household 316/316 A. D. Boales - 46 M, farmer, KY Sidney A. Boales - 41 F, TN Maxwell D. Boales - 16 M, KY Virg. Ann Boales - 12 F, KY Sidney Ella Boales - 11 F, KY Isabel Boales - 9 F, KY Gus Boales - 7 M, KY Julia Boales - 5 F, KY William T. Boales - 2 M, KY household 319/319 George B. Boales - 36 M, farmer, KY Lucy Ann Boales - 34 F, KY George Ann Boales - 6 F, KY Charles T. Boales - 4 M, KY Jennie Boales - 2 F, KY Skipping forward to 1880, here is George's family: 1880 Federal Census: Kentucky, Christian County, ED 14, page 20 household 198/165 Bowles, George - W M 60, farmer, KY VA VA Bowles, Lucy A. - W F 54, wife, KY KY KY Bowles, Georgie - W F 26, daughter, KY KY KY Bowles, John - W M 19, son, KY KY KY Bowles, James - W M 18, son, KY KY KY Bowles, Mary E. - W F 16, daughter, KY KY KY Bowles, Frank - W M 14, son, KY KY KY Bowles, Ada - W F 12, daughter, KY KY KY Bowles, Reuben - W M 9, son, KY KY KY Crutchfield, Samuel - W M 83, father, KY VA KY Charlie

We have a potential candidate from the Thomas and Sarah Holman Bowles line who may be willing to do the DNA test, but we will need help with the funding. This candidate is descended through one of the sons of Thomas T. and Mary Brown Bowles. Thomas T. Bowles was a son of Thomas and Sarah Holman Bowles. I have spoken with him over the phone, and he indicated a willingness to participate. We presently have $58 in our general fund. To order the 25 marker test for this individual, we will need an additional $113 added to the general fund. If you are willing to contribute to this, please contact me privately at [mailto:hartley@iglou.com]. Thanks, Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator [mailto:hartley@iglou.com]

Remember Henry Southey had a son Henry Southey that died about 1627? Remember the names that Anne claimed her father Henry transfered to VA? Well they don't match, check it out.The Southey researchers have not caught that yet? Also that Elizabeth Southey relict of Henry Southey married this William Layton (Laighton) and Thomas Casson ( both probably Lawsons).Looks to me like we have two Henry Southeys (father and son)and two Elizabeth Southeys. And two Anne Southeys, one born 1620. Leathel, (513) LIEUTENANT. RICHARD POPELEY [I], 700 acres in the Lower County of New Norfolk, on the Cheseapean shore, within the territory of Lynhaven, abutting northerly on the land of William Layton, and westerly on the river. Due in right of his marriage with Elizabeth, relict of Henry Sothell, and due said Sothell for the transportation of fourteen persons (names below). Granted by Harvey July 14, 1637. Elias Light, Richard Light, William Layton, George Lentall, Willis Basnett, Jason Right, John Eves, Sarah Polmer, John Duncombe, Rowland Buckley, Thomas Heath, Ralph Simpkins, Hanna Waddington, Eliz. Alcutt. NOTE. [x] Richard Popely came to Virginia in the ship Bona Nova, 1620, and in January, 1624, was living at Elizabeth City. He was then aged twenty six years. (born 1597-98)

I have said for some time that John Bowles d.1664 in Elizabeth City,Va was married to Ann Southey daughter of Henry Southey and Elizabeth at his death in 1664. IS IS NOT CORRECT. The 1623 census in Elizabeth City shows that Elizabeth and Anne were the only two living out of Henry's family.That is also not correct. Henry his son lived to about 1627.Anne married first Charles Harmar, who came to Va in 1622 as did the Southeys. Charles Hamar had land in Northampton Co where he and Anne lived. After Charles died she married Nathaniel Littleton. Nathaniel died about 1654-55, and Anne died 1656.This is only one part of the Southey-Bowles connection.Keep this post, I will be coming back to it. Leathel, LAND CERTIFICATES FOR NORTHAMPTON COUNTY Court Oct. 30, 1643 Cert. granted to Mrs. Anne Littleton in right of her father Henry Southy, Esqr. for following: Henry Southy Esq., Roger Delke, Tho. Lewis Elizabeth his wife, Tho. Shoare, Robt. Swamp, Henry Southy his child, Valentine Sentell, Roger Marshall, Thomas ), Mary ), Elizabeth ) Servants, Tynak Woolley, Anne Simes, Will Bricklayer, Richd Willows,John Davenport, Alice Dammock, John Rose, Thos Browne, Elleno Paynter, Margarett Chartier, Sarah Sharley, Dynah Glower