Bill, and anyone else interested...... This is part of what I said in my note: /I've been going through my files and cleaning them out and ran across a family tree sent to me by Jeff Bowers. The e-mail address on the note (dated 1997!) is silver269@aristotle.net, so I would imagine it's not good today. He indicated he descends from James Bowers of Morris Co., NJ, Rev. Patriot, who lived in Montgomery Co., TN. I'm not sure if the data he sent me is accurate and it looked like he obtained it from someone named Gregory Wayne Jones of Garland TX (1997). It shows a Lemuel b. 1808 in TN to be son of John Bowers who was one of James Bowers' sons. I know there were 3 sons of James in Montgomery Co. TN as I saw them while looking at my ancestors in the area. I won't know if I have a connection to James or any of the ones in Davidson Co. and Wilson Co. TN unless some of their descendants do a DNA test. I've exhausted all documents and have had my uncle do a DNA test but there seems to be no one that I've found yet with ancestors from TN who have done the test, or want to. The data he sent me shows John, son of James, to have a son named Lemuel b. 1808 m. Eleanor Allen who died with no children. He has no 2nd marriage listed. Shows in Pope Co., AR and in the census indexes may be listed as Samuel. He indicated that Lemuel moved to Pope Co., AR after hs wife Eleanor died. Shows a deed record in Montgomery Co., TN, Vol 4, Pg 185-187. Says Eleanor Allen is buried in Morris Cemetery, Montgomery Co., TN. He shows other siblings: Mary, Abner P., Joseph C., James S., Nancy, William P., John Marshall, Elizabeth, Kinchen, Stephen Sanford. / That's all that was listed for Lemuel on the tree. Unfortunately, when I said I was cleaning out my files, I was too fast and dumped all that paper which went out in this week's garbage. I am really sorry. I guess that was not the thing to do. I have lugged several full file cabinets for two moves (1999 & 2004) and thought I would get rid of anything that didn't seem pertinent to me before the next move. I supposed that anyone who did the DNA test and matched me, then we could exchange info at that time and if James matched my Jeremiah, we would exchange our trees. So sorry. I would suggest trying to call Gregory Jones at the above number to see if he is still in Garland TX or write to Jeff Bowers. If you reach Jeff "Bowers," maybe he would consider doing the DNA test if he is of this line. Maybe some of the researchers could sponsor him, thus reducing the cost to a smaller amount per person. I would consider contributing. I also think there are other descendants of James Bowers of Morris Co. NJ who may either be on this list or on Genforum, or could be found on the Roots Surname List. The info that I still have, however, is as follows: This group (at least the ones I looked at, which did not include Lemuel) was in Montgomery Co., TN. James Bowers was originally from Morristown, NJ, a Revolutionary War patriot. There are pension papers for him and my notes indicate he said he lived for a time in NC. It was said that when he died, he went to live with a daughter who lived in Wilson Co., TN. Note, I do not have proof of this line and the tree I mentioned did not have sources either. There were 3 sons in Montgomery Co., TN who were supposedly sons of James Bowers: John, Joseph, and James. I have the 1820 census for each of them if you need. The 1850 census for John Bowers, said to be Lemuel's father, does not show a Lemuel. I'm supposing that your Lemuel must've gone to AR by 1850. The other children's names match the tree so it sounds like whoever did the research had the census data. I don't recall if there was a will for James Bowers or not, but am sure there were Rev. War pension papers. I will see what else I might have, but below are some of my notes. ..................................................................................................................................................................... Husband: James Bowers b. 1756 Morristown, NJ (Did he live in Pitt Co., NC before migrating to TN?) Wife: ? Married: County: Montgomery Co. State: Tennessee Children: John b. 1785 NC (1850 census lists John Bowers, age 65, b. NC) Joseph b. 1787 James b. 1801 1840 Census: James (Rev. Soldier) living with son James in 1840 Males: 1 - Age 30-40 1 - Age 80-90 Listed as age 84/Rev. War Pension Females: 1 - Under 5 1 - Age 20-30 Pension papers said James had lived in NC. James is said to have moved to Sumner Co. to live with daughter where he later died. ................................................................................................................................................................. 1850 Census for John Bowers, son of James Bowers: Head of Household: John Bowers, age 65 (1785) b. NC, Farmer Wife: Francis, age 59 (1791), b. SC Kinchen, Male, age 22 (1828), b. TN Stephen S., age 18 (1832) b. TN Elizabeth 23 (1827), b. TN I have DAR papers from a descendant of Joseph, son of James. It indicates b. b. May 28, 1756 Morris Co., NJ d. at Sumner Co., TN after March 9, 1843. (I had noted Wilson Co., which was formed from Sumner in 1799......so there is some discrepancy there) It also says his wife was born. between 1750-1760 and d. at Montgomery Co. between 1830-1840. Marriage date c. 1784, There is a note regarding James Bowers Descendants, NJ to AR by Flodelle Hooker Crates....it is not very readable on this copy. Pg. 1-25. The DAR paper also says John's wife was Frances (no last name), Joseph's wife was mary "Polly" fletcher and son James' wife was Susan. There was also a daughter, but no name given. Rev. War Pension #S1499, but there is a question mark and written in is 1495. Interestingly, when I do a search on Heritage Quest for James Bowers, NJ, Rev. War records, it gives S1498!! There is also a Bounty Land Record card: Series: M805 Roll: 109 Image: 104 File: 8114 Page: 1 of 1, issued Sept. 29, 1791. I think the pension was 1833. I have notes indicating Jeannie Casey also researched this family. I'll send you the last address I had for her. I have In the book, "Montgomery Co. TN Wills & Administrations, Vol. 2, 1805-1814," John Bowers was listed on bill of sale from Abraham Whitehead to John Bayliss, November 23, 1807, Will Book A, Pg. 354. I hope this helps. Donna wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: > I think it was you who send to the list that you had ran across a tree sent to you by a Jeff Bowers. The info on that tree looks like my Lemuel Bowers. > > I don't know any male Bowers. > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> > To: bowers@rootsweb.com; wstaggs189@aol.com > Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:43 am > Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > I did not mention a Lemuel in this note. Are you referring to another note? > > However, there was a Lemuel in Davidson Co., TN and also another in > Wilson Co., TN, just east of Davidson Co. They are two different > Lemuel's. > > Is the Davidson Co., TN Lemuel, your Lemuel? Or the Wilson Co. Lemuel? > Let me know. > > Do you know a male Bowers descendant who would join the DNA group? We > need to figure out these Middle TN Bowers! > > I have some info on Lemuel Bowers of Wilson Co. TN also. > > I have been unable to connect any of them to my Bowers who also lived in > Wilson Co. TN. Are we all cousins? I think DNA is the only way we will > ever know if they're all connected or not. > > Donna > > > wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: > >> Donna Hinson,? That is my Lemuel. Could you send me the rest of the info? My >> > address is wstaggs189@aol.com > >> ?Thanks, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >> To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 7:03 pm >> Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Genealogy & the DNA Project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was just cleaning up some more ancient emails. One was from back in >> 2005 when the Bowers DNA project was just getting started. Terry Barton >> mentioned having over 140 members in the Barton surname project. Here >> it is 2008, and our Bowers project seems at a standstill with less than >> 40 participants. >> >> Bowers is one of the more common surnames and we seem to have a lot of >> stragglers out there we can't connect. In my group in Middle TN, we >> have several Bowers groups: James Bowers of Montgomery Co. TN who hails >> from Morris Co. NJ, William Pitt Bowers of Davidson Co., TN who was in >> Pitt Co., NC at one time. There's Jeremiah Bowers of Wilson Co., TN who >> was also in Nash Co., NC and went to KY around 1837. One of his sons >> went to MS about that time, as well. Also in Wilson Co., TN are: >> James, William, Jesse m. Nancy Mann 1810, GILES who d. 1818, Benjamin b. >> 1775 or earlier, and Morris Bowers. >> >> Who are they? Are all these in middle TN Bowers related? We will >> probably never know unless their descendants do a DNA test. >> >> My Jeremiah had sons who also moved to IL, so you northern Bowers could >> be cousins of us southern Bowers. >> >> I'm sure we must have the same mysteries for Bowers in other states. >> With such a common name, we should really have had more than 40 >> participates by now. I know the cost is not cheap, but FamilyTree DNA >> has a very good price (about $119) through the end of the month right >> now for the 37 marker test. >> >> I bet I have more than $100 worth of paper copies of every Bowers I >> could find in NC, TN, KY, and MS in my file cabinet, not to speak of >> trips I've made all over the U.S. to research Bowers. I wish DNA had >> been around when I started my research. I could have immediately ended >> researching the Giles Bowers in Franklin Co. NC for one as well as all >> those others I do not match. >> >> BTW, I do not have any financial interest in FamilyTree DNA. I would >> simply like to see us figure out our Bowers connections and the 2005 >> email I just deleted from Terry about how many participants triggered >> this note. I know many of us are at a brick wall in the 1700's, some at >> more recent dates as well. Many records were lost in courthouse fires. >> But if we have a male descendant willing to contribute DNA, then we >> might solve some of our mysteries. >> >> My mystery right now is where in VA was Jeremiah born in 1768? Where >> should I look for his parents? VA has many counties and many Bowers. >> The same sort of mysteries surround Bowers from AR NC, SC and Georgia >> and many other states. If we had a larger group of participants, I >> think many relationship questions could be resolved, or we would at >> least know where to focus our research and might have several cousins >> who could help each other research. >> >> Anyway, you have about 3 more days to take advantage of the special >> price so I thought I would throw out a reminder. Check the website below: >> >> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/bowers/ >> >> Donna >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >