Donna, This is wonderful....maybe there is some hope that this line connects to mine. I sure wish I know a male Bower who could test! My Lemuel Bower, son of Lemuel Bower lived in Morris Co, NJ in the mid to late 1800s. I recall someone telling me that they thought another member of this family did go to NC, but proof was a bit weak, although plausible. I'll dig around to see what I know. Please do keep me in the loop on this! Thanks, Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org) Administrator for eleven FTDNA DNA Projects ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna (Bowers) Hinson" <dhinson@suddenlink.net> To: <bowers@rootsweb.com>; <wstaggs189@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers > Bill, and anyone else interested...... > > This is part of what I said in my note: > > /I've been going through my files and cleaning them out and ran across a > family tree sent to me by Jeff Bowers. The e-mail address on the note > (dated 1997!) is silver269@aristotle.net, so I would imagine it's not > good today. > > He indicated he descends from James Bowers of Morris Co., NJ, Rev. > Patriot, who lived in Montgomery Co., TN. I'm not sure if the data he > sent me is accurate and it looked like he obtained it from someone named > Gregory Wayne Jones of Garland TX (1997). > > It shows a Lemuel b. 1808 in TN to be son of John Bowers who was one of > James Bowers' sons. I know there were 3 sons of James in Montgomery Co. > TN as I saw them while looking at my ancestors in the area. I won't > know if I have a connection to James or any of the ones in Davidson Co. > and Wilson Co. TN unless some of their descendants do a DNA test. I've > exhausted all documents and have had my uncle do a DNA test but there > seems to be no one that I've found yet with ancestors from TN who have > done the test, or want to. > > The data he sent me shows John, son of James, to have a son named Lemuel > b. 1808 m. Eleanor Allen who died with no children. He has no 2nd > marriage listed. Shows in Pope Co., AR and in the census indexes may be > listed as Samuel. He indicated that Lemuel moved to Pope Co., AR after > hs wife Eleanor died. Shows a deed record in Montgomery Co., TN, Vol 4, > Pg 185-187. Says Eleanor Allen is buried in Morris Cemetery, Montgomery > Co., TN. He shows other siblings: > Mary, Abner P., Joseph C., James S., Nancy, William P., John Marshall, > Elizabeth, Kinchen, Stephen Sanford. > / > That's all that was listed for Lemuel on the tree. > > Unfortunately, when I said I was cleaning out my files, I was too fast > and dumped all that paper which went out in this week's garbage. I am > really sorry. I guess that was not the thing to do. I have lugged > several full file cabinets for two moves (1999 & 2004) and thought I > would get rid of anything that didn't seem pertinent to me before the > next move. I supposed that anyone who did the DNA test and matched me, > then we could exchange info at that time and if James matched my > Jeremiah, we would exchange our trees. So sorry. > > I would suggest trying to call Gregory Jones at the above number to see > if he is still in Garland TX or write to Jeff Bowers. If you reach Jeff > "Bowers," maybe he would consider doing the DNA test if he is of this > line. Maybe some of the researchers could sponsor him, thus reducing > the cost to a smaller amount per person. I would consider contributing. > > I also think there are other descendants of James Bowers of Morris Co. > NJ who may either be on this list or on Genforum, or could be found on > the Roots Surname List. > > The info that I still have, however, is as follows: > > This group (at least the ones I looked at, which did not include Lemuel) > was in Montgomery Co., TN. James Bowers was originally from > Morristown, NJ, a Revolutionary War patriot. There are pension papers > for him and my notes indicate he said he lived for a time in NC. It was > said that when he died, he went to live with a daughter who lived in > Wilson Co., TN. > > Note, I do not have proof of this line and the tree I mentioned did not > have sources either. > > There were 3 sons in Montgomery Co., TN who were supposedly sons of > James Bowers: John, Joseph, and James. I have the 1820 census for each > of them if you need. > > The 1850 census for John Bowers, said to be Lemuel's father, does not > show a Lemuel. I'm supposing that your Lemuel must've gone to AR by > 1850. The other children's names match the tree so it sounds like > whoever did the research had the census data. I don't recall if there > was a will for James Bowers or not, but am sure there were Rev. War > pension papers. I will see what else I might have, but below are some > of my notes. > ..................................................................................................................................................................... > Husband: James Bowers b. 1756 Morristown, NJ (Did he live in Pitt > Co., > NC before migrating to TN?) > Wife: ? > Married: > County: Montgomery Co. > State: Tennessee > > Children: John b. 1785 NC (1850 census lists John Bowers, age 65, b. > NC) > Joseph b. 1787 > James b. 1801 > > 1840 Census: James (Rev. Soldier) living with son James in 1840 > Males: > 1 - Age 30-40 > 1 - Age 80-90 Listed as age 84/Rev. War Pension > > Females: > 1 - Under 5 > 1 - Age 20-30 > > Pension papers said James had lived in NC. > > James is said to have moved to Sumner Co. to live with daughter where he > later died. > ................................................................................................................................................................. > > 1850 Census for John Bowers, son of James Bowers: > > Head of Household: John Bowers, age 65 (1785) b. NC, Farmer > Wife: Francis, age 59 (1791), b. SC > Kinchen, Male, age 22 (1828), b. TN > Stephen S., age 18 (1832) b. TN > Elizabeth 23 (1827), b. TN > > I have DAR papers from a descendant of Joseph, son of James. It > indicates b. b. May 28, 1756 Morris Co., NJ d. at Sumner Co., TN after > March 9, 1843. (I had noted Wilson Co., which was formed from Sumner in > 1799......so there is some discrepancy there) > > It also says his wife was born. between 1750-1760 and d. at Montgomery > Co. between 1830-1840. Marriage date c. 1784, > > There is a note regarding James Bowers Descendants, NJ to AR by Flodelle > Hooker Crates....it is not very readable on this copy. Pg. 1-25. > > The DAR paper also says John's wife was Frances (no last name), Joseph's > wife was mary "Polly" fletcher and son James' wife was Susan. There was > also a daughter, but no name given. > > Rev. War Pension #S1499, but there is a question mark and written in is > 1495. Interestingly, when I do a search on Heritage Quest for James > Bowers, NJ, Rev. War records, it gives S1498!! There is also a Bounty > Land Record card: Series: M805 Roll: 109 Image: 104 File: 8114 > Page: 1 of 1, issued Sept. 29, 1791. > > I think the pension was 1833. I have notes indicating Jeannie Casey > also researched this family. I'll send you the last address I had for > her. > > I have In the book, "Montgomery Co. TN Wills & Administrations, Vol. 2, > 1805-1814," John Bowers was listed on bill of sale from Abraham > Whitehead to John Bayliss, November 23, 1807, Will Book A, Pg. 354. > > I hope this helps. Donna > > wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: >> I think it was you who send to the list that you had ran across a tree >> sent to you by a Jeff Bowers. The info on that tree looks like my Lemuel >> Bowers. >> >> I don't know any male Bowers. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >> To: bowers@rootsweb.com; wstaggs189@aol.com >> Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:43 am >> Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bill, >> >> I did not mention a Lemuel in this note. Are you referring to another >> note? >> >> However, there was a Lemuel in Davidson Co., TN and also another in >> Wilson Co., TN, just east of Davidson Co. They are two different >> Lemuel's. >> >> Is the Davidson Co., TN Lemuel, your Lemuel? Or the Wilson Co. Lemuel? >> Let me know. >> >> Do you know a male Bowers descendant who would join the DNA group? We >> need to figure out these Middle TN Bowers! >> >> I have some info on Lemuel Bowers of Wilson Co. TN also. >> >> I have been unable to connect any of them to my Bowers who also lived in >> Wilson Co. TN. Are we all cousins? I think DNA is the only way we will >> ever know if they're all connected or not. >> >> Donna >> >> >> wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Donna Hinson,? That is my Lemuel. Could you send me the rest of the >>> info? My >>> >> address is wstaggs189@aol.com >> >>> ?Thanks, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >>> To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 7:03 pm >>> Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Genealogy & the DNA Project >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was just cleaning up some more ancient emails. One was from back in >>> 2005 when the Bowers DNA project was just getting started. Terry Barton >>> mentioned having over 140 members in the Barton surname project. Here >>> it is 2008, and our Bowers project seems at a standstill with less than >>> 40 participants. >>> >>> Bowers is one of the more common surnames and we seem to have a lot of >>> stragglers out there we can't connect. In my group in Middle TN, we >>> have several Bowers groups: James Bowers of Montgomery Co. TN who hails >>> from Morris Co. NJ, William Pitt Bowers of Davidson Co., TN who was in >>> Pitt Co., NC at one time. There's Jeremiah Bowers of Wilson Co., TN who >>> was also in Nash Co., NC and went to KY around 1837. One of his sons >>> went to MS about that time, as well. Also in Wilson Co., TN are: >>> James, William, Jesse m. Nancy Mann 1810, GILES who d. 1818, Benjamin b. >>> 1775 or earlier, and Morris Bowers. >>> >>> Who are they? Are all these in middle TN Bowers related? We will >>> probably never know unless their descendants do a DNA test. >>> >>> My Jeremiah had sons who also moved to IL, so you northern Bowers could >>> be cousins of us southern Bowers. >>> >>> I'm sure we must have the same mysteries for Bowers in other states. >>> With such a common name, we should really have had more than 40 >>> participates by now. I know the cost is not cheap, but FamilyTree DNA >>> has a very good price (about $119) through the end of the month right >>> now for the 37 marker test. >>> >>> I bet I have more than $100 worth of paper copies of every Bowers I >>> could find in NC, TN, KY, and MS in my file cabinet, not to speak of >>> trips I've made all over the U.S. to research Bowers. I wish DNA had >>> been around when I started my research. I could have immediately ended >>> researching the Giles Bowers in Franklin Co. NC for one as well as all >>> those others I do not match. >>> >>> BTW, I do not have any financial interest in FamilyTree DNA. I would >>> simply like to see us figure out our Bowers connections and the 2005 >>> email I just deleted from Terry about how many participants triggered >>> this note. I know many of us are at a brick wall in the 1700's, some at >>> more recent dates as well. Many records were lost in courthouse fires. >>> But if we have a male descendant willing to contribute DNA, then we >>> might solve some of our mysteries. >>> >>> My mystery right now is where in VA was Jeremiah born in 1768? Where >>> should I look for his parents? VA has many counties and many Bowers. >>> The same sort of mysteries surround Bowers from AR NC, SC and Georgia >>> and many other states. If we had a larger group of participants, I >>> think many relationship questions could be resolved, or we would at >>> least know where to focus our research and might have several cousins >>> who could help each other research. >>> >>> Anyway, you have about 3 more days to take advantage of the special >>> price so I thought I would throw out a reminder. 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