Hello All I'm new to this list-don't quite know the ropes yet...I'm looking forward to 'meeting you all' : ) My query: I've a dead end re: my great grandfather: His name was Henry Wesley Bowers-Born 1895, died in Barrie, ON in 1970. His marriage certificate says that his father's name was Frank John, cowboy. There is a family story that says that his father and brother were Texas Rangers. His parents were killed in their beds during the Mexican Revolution in Texas-about 1914-16. I've not located where he was born, yet or found his mother's name. His army papers simply say Maine. Any relatives/info out there? Lily

There have been some recent postings regarding John Leonard Bowers of Carter Co., TN. I thought I would share with the list some recent results from the Bowers DNA Project. See our website at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/bowers/home. (Please excuse some of the formatting problems on the different pages. A recent revision of the host website has been causing me all sorts of grief.) Over the years, there has been much debate about whether John Leonard Bowers of Carter Co., TN was the son of Henry Boward or George Bowers, both of Hagerstown, Washington Co., MD. (Pedigrees for both appear on the Patriarchs Page.) Pension records show that John Leonard Bowers was a resident of Hagerstown when he enlisted in the Maryland Line in 1778. Both Henry Boward and George Bowers also lived in Hagerstown in 1778 and both had a son named Leonard, hence the debate. The fact that the pension application of John Leonard Bowers shows that he belonged to a regiment and company whose roster shows a Leonard Boward and a Valentine Boward (probable brother of Leonard and namesake for one of his sons), but no Leonard Bowers, along with other excellent research by Robert Boward (see Henry Boward pedigree on Patriarchs Page for his contact information), has persuaded many that Henry Boward was the father of John Leonard Bowers. Y-DNA testing indicates otherwise. On the Results Page, compare B-11/B-42, descendants of John Leonard Bowers, with B-14, a descendant of Henry Boward. The haplotype of John Leonard Bowers, which is confirmed by the match between descendants through different sons, does not match the Boward haplotype nor, for that matter, even the Boward haplogroup. While there is a slim chance the tested Boward descendant had a non-paternal event in his line, or even that John Leonard Bowers was himself the product of a non-paternal event, either of which would account for the failure to match, it seems much more likely that George Bowers was the father of John Leonard Bowers and that the regimental roster simply misspelled his name. These Y-DNA results indicate researchers of this line should probably turn their attention to finding proof that George Bowers was his father. Please note that this is not my Bowers line and thus I can't contribute much more to this discussion. Robert Strong Administrator of the Bowers DNA Project

Jean, I used to see a note now and then from Canada and England but none for a long time. I added this to the Bowers list as it's just a variant spelling. You might join it as well and post your line to both and see if someone responds. Donna Jean B Williams wrote: > Do you ever do any from Canada? Just wondering > Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bower-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <bower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:00 AM > Subject: BOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 55 > > > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Bowers in index of TN land warrants from NC >> (Donna (Bowers) Hinson) >> 2. Re: Bowers in index of TN land warrants from NC >> (Donna (Bowers) Hinson) >> 3. Bowers of Norfolk Co. VA (Donna (Bowers) Hinson) >> >> >

Was there supposed to be a message on this that didn't come through? Peter Bowers wrote: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've been going though my file on VA Bowers. I was concentrating on Norfolk Co. VA since I've seen some names that are similar to mine. My gggg-grandfather Jeremiah Bowers says in 1850 census for KY (his son, my line, went to MS) he was born in VA. Where is the question. I've seen lots of notes regarding Robert Bowers and John Bowers. Has anyone looked at Bartlett Bowers, Wright Bowers, and Maximillian Bowers? I have not found much on these Bowers. I have these 3 names in the NC to TN group of mine. Any help or ideas would be appreciated. Donna

I've put the info from the NC warrant I obtained for John Bowers of Davidson Co., TN which I wrote up way back when. If it's military service, it will appear as below. State of North Carolina No. 542 Know that we have given and granted unto John Bowers a private in the Continental line of the State a tract of land containing two hundred and twenty eight acres lying and being in the County of Davidson on the waters of Sulfur Fork of Red River Beginning at a cherry tree and poplar eighty poles east of Browns line on Norris's South boundary running East one hundred and sixty poles to a black oak and white oak said Norris's South East corner thence South two hundred and twenty poles to a red oak thence West one hundred and twenty eight poles to the Beginning To hold to the said John Bowers his heirs and assigns forever dated the 15th day of September 1787. J. Glasgow Secretary Wit: __________ Wit: Wm Caswell Warrant No 94 - R. Nelson DP Thomas Thompson, Sr. Thomas Norris, Jr. C.C. It appears as though the 228 acres is situated today in Robertson County just north of Nashville. Sulphur Fork comes off the Red River at Port Royal flowing in a southeasterly direction passing through Springfield, continuing east and then southeasterly toward Sumner County where Jeremiah Bowers resided in 1820. The city of Port Royal dates back to the 1700's with one of the oldest churches in the area, Sulphur Fork Baptist Church, beginning about 1786. Histories of the area say that there were 33 members of the church. However, their identities are unknown. The Port Royal area is now a state historic site. Unfortunately, no military or pension files have been found for John. The National Archives shows five military files for individuals named John Bowers but has not identified any of them from the North Carolina Continental Line. It is possible that no pension records can be found for two reasons: (1) Those pensions filed prior to 1800 which were for handicaps caused by the war were burned in the War Department fire of 1800; (2) John died in 1803 before the date requirements were relaxed which would have made him eligible, and his widow probably did not file at a later date since she remarried. Note, the above was the write-up I did for this particular John Bowers. Now, I have no proof as to whether this is my John and I have seen another researcher claim their John rec'd this grant of land. I have circumstantial evidence based on the fact that John Bowers of Nash Co. NC sold his land there and then appears in Davidson Co., TN. The land in the grant was later listed for nonpayment of taxes by John Bowers. John (same John?) died in Davidson Co. in 1803 and my gggg-grandfather Jeremiah Bowers proved his will in court. I cannot say what the relationship of John is to Jeremiah. I think father but could be brother. I can only say what I think might have been with the caveat that we may never know without finding more records. Too many records are lost or burned! My motto is to leave no stone unturned so if I were Dennis, I would see if I could obtain of anything I could. I pulled my copies out and it was so long ago....you know how we think we're making good notes but then find we didn't do as good for 10 years later. The warrant paper I typed in above has stamped on the back Davidson Co, Roll 2, Book A-2, Pge 273, Tennesee State Library & Archives. The microfilm they copied was not in the best of condition either. So, I believe the papers I have from NC Archives is the survey of this land. You might look in Index books for the info on Kezia and see if it gives you more than what I posted. I'm sorry if I confused the issue moreso by posting the "S" info. My papers show Grant #542 and is on both the warrant and the survey (even though the papers are in two different places! Besides having a grant number, the survey shows Warrant # 94. I think having both papers is helpful. But, it looks like after looking over my papers more closely, you may want to get the paperwork from TN first. Both papers show service, at least in my case. Ages ago, the TN Archives said some of their microfilm could be ordered on Interlibrary loan. I have never done this but, Dennis, you might check on it. If you have an index to the grants in the TN Archives, you might be able to simply request the copy without the research fee. I hope this helps. Sorry it's so long. Peggy K. Reeves wrote: > If Kezia is the widow of James Bowers in Greene Co., then the listing > for land in Greene county could be her. What we don't know is if it was > a military land warrant or not. You would have to order the warrant to > find out, or consult one of the land record abstract books, which can be > found at various research libraries. I believe the author is A. B. Pruitt. > > Warrants for land that is now part of TN (any part of TN) was given out > by the state of NC up until 1796, even if it wasn't a military warrant. > Military warrants were good for land in the military district, which was > in middle TN, bordering the KY state line. Greene County, TN, was not > part of the military district. > > According to Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck's book: "Revolutionary War Bounty > Land Grants Awarded by State Governments", the bounty land district was > eventually exhausted, and bounty warrants were then located elsewhere in > TN. No military bounty land warrants were located within the > present-day boundaries of NC. Finding an entry to a military warrant in > the index of the records of the NC land office does not equate to > military service for the individual. Land warrants were frequently > sold, and some of them actually changed hands a half-dozen times. North > Carolina issued bounty land warrants from 1783 to 1841 in two series. > The first series, numbers 1 to 5312, were issued from 1783 to 1797, and > were located by NC agents in the military district in TN. The second > series of warrants, numbers 1 through 1242, were issued from 1799 to > 1841 by NC, but TN officials located and granted the patents (since this > was after TN got statehood). > > In 1796, TN became a state, and handled it's own land matters. So a > good rule of thumb is that if it's before 1796, NC will probably have > the records, if it's after that, records should be in TN. > > That's the tricky part of looking for early records, you have to look in > the right place. NC would have all pre-1796 TN records, because TN was > considered to be part of NC prior to 1796. Maddening sometimes, isn't > it?! This also means that if you find someone who was born in TN prior > to 1796, their later census listings will show them b. in NC, even > though they were actually born in the place that we now call TN! > > By the way, the same things happens with VA and KY. VA gave out bounty > land to their Rev. soldiers in the military district in KY...because KY > used to be part of VA. > > I hope this helps, but maybe it is just more confusion! I hope I get > "points" for trying. > > Peggy Reeves > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: BOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 53 > From: bower-request@rootsweb.com > To: bower@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:00:47 AM > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Bowers in Index of TN Land Warrants from NC (Bowers Family) >> 2. Betty Risk (Leola Ripperger) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:49:28 -0500 >> From: "Bowers Family" <bowers@ecarthage.com> >> Subject: Re: [BOWER] Bowers in Index of TN Land Warrants from NC >> To: <bower@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <001b01c91040$877912e0$6701a8c0@BOWERS> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I am interested in this discussion between Donna and Peggy. Perhaps the two of you could help put some of this in a better perspective for me. >> >> I have a will of James Bowers filed in early Greene County records that has his wife "Kissa" as executor. James was born about 1745 (a good age for revolutionary service) and died in 1789. >> >> Could this relate to "Kezia" that Donna shows in the warrant index with a Greene County listing? >> >> Does this mean that someone named Kezia Bowers recieved a warrant for land in Greene County? Would that likely be a widow? Does frame 388-392 mean there would be 5 pages copied related to this grant? What type of information would be included? >> >> Where would I find reel S.108.371 ? Could my local library obtain them on loan from NARA or other library? >> >> Thanks for any information in advance. >> >> Dennis Bowers >> >> Carthage, MO 64836 >> >> 417-358-8207 >> >> bowers@ecarthage.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Donna (Bowers) Hinson" <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >> To: <BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com>; <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:44 AM >> Subject: [BOWER] Bowers in Index of TN Land Warrants from NC >> >> >> >> >>> Here is a list of Bowers on the index to the TN Land Warrants (grants) >>> from NC for their Revolutionary War service to NC. >>> >>> Included are the Reel Number and Frame Number. The grants are on a >>> separate microfilm reel from the index. Some large libraries have the >>> microfilm. I know Clayton Library in Houston has the index reel and the >>> grants reel because I obtained a copy from NC for them. The NC Archives >>> in Raleigh has both index and grants but I'm not sure if the TN Archives >>> in Nashville has them or not. When I visited them some years ago, they >>> only had a card file of the soldiers. Hope this is of some help to >>> someone. >>> >>> >>> Giles Bowers, S.108.350, frame 529-533, Davidson Co., TN >>> John Bowers, S.108.353, frame 139--142, Davidson Co., TN >>> John Bowers, S.108.372, frame 180-184, Greene Co., TN >>> John Bowers, S.108.371, frame 1033, Greene Co, TN >>> John Bowers, S.108.362, frame 727-731, Eastern District, TN >>> Kezia Bowers, S.108.371, frame 388-392, Greene Co., TN >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:58:47 -0500 >> From: "Leola Ripperger" <leeripp@iland.net> >> Subject: [BOWER] Betty Risk >> To: <bower@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <000601c9105a$fb3c8bc0$0400000a@Leola> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> I have lost the e-mail Betty Risk wrote and would like for >> her to get in touch with me please. I have lost her e-mail >> address and would like to contact her again regarding the >> Bowers lineage. >> >> Lee Ripperger >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the BOWER list administrator, send an email to >> BOWER-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the BOWER mailing list, send an email to BOWER@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of BOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 53 >> ************************************ >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I thought I would forward these exchanges we've been having on the Bower List. Might be helpful to someone out there. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [BOWER] Bowers in index of TN land warrants from NC Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:41:27 -0400 From: Peggy K. Reeves <peg@reevesweb.com> Reply-To: bower@rootsweb.com To: bower@rootsweb.com References: <mailman.331.1220770847.6083.bower@rootsweb.com> If Kezia is the widow of James Bowers in Greene Co., then the listing for land in Greene county could be her. What we don't know is if it was a military land warrant or not. You would have to order the warrant to find out, or consult one of the land record abstract books, which can be found at various research libraries. I believe the author is A. B. Pruitt. Warrants for land that is now part of TN (any part of TN) was given out by the state of NC up until 1796, even if it wasn't a military warrant. Military warrants were good for land in the military district, which was in middle TN, bordering the KY state line. Greene County, TN, was not part of the military district. According to Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck's book: "Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants Awarded by State Governments", the bounty land district was eventually exhausted, and bounty warrants were then located elsewhere in TN. No military bounty land warrants were located within the present-day boundaries of NC. Finding an entry to a military warrant in the index of the records of the NC land office does not equate to military service for the individual. Land warrants were frequently sold, and some of them actually changed hands a half-dozen times. North Carolina issued bounty land warrants from 1783 to 1841 in two series. The first series, numbers 1 to 5312, were issued from 1783 to 1797, and were located by NC agents in the military district in TN. The second series of warrants, numbers 1 through 1242, were issued from 1799 to 1841 by NC, but TN officials located and granted the patents (since this was after TN got statehood). In 1796, TN became a state, and handled it's own land matters. So a good rule of thumb is that if it's before 1796, NC will probably have the records, if it's after that, records should be in TN. That's the tricky part of looking for early records, you have to look in the right place. NC would have all pre-1796 TN records, because TN was considered to be part of NC prior to 1796. Maddening sometimes, isn't it?! This also means that if you find someone who was born in TN prior to 1796, their later census listings will show them b. in NC, even though they were actually born in the place that we now call TN! By the way, the same things happens with VA and KY. VA gave out bounty land to their Rev. soldiers in the military district in KY...because KY used to be part of VA. I hope this helps, but maybe it is just more confusion! I hope I get "points" for trying. Peggy Reeves -------- Original Message -------- Subject: BOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 53 From: bower-request@rootsweb.com To: bower@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:00:47 AM > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bowers in Index of TN Land Warrants from NC (Bowers Family) > 2. Betty Risk (Leola Ripperger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:49:28 -0500 > From: "Bowers Family" <bowers@ecarthage.com> > Subject: Re: [BOWER] Bowers in Index of TN Land Warrants from NC > To: <bower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001b01c91040$877912e0$6701a8c0@BOWERS> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am interested in this discussion between Donna and Peggy. Perhaps the two of you could help put some of this in a better perspective for me. > > I have a will of James Bowers filed in early Greene County records that has his wife "Kissa" as executor. James was born about 1745 (a good age for revolutionary service) and died in 1789. > > Could this relate to "Kezia" that Donna shows in the warrant index with a Greene County listing? > > Does this mean that someone named Kezia Bowers recieved a warrant for land in Greene County? Would that likely be a widow? Does frame 388-392 mean there would be 5 pages copied related to this grant? What type of information would be included? > > Where would I find reel S.108.371 ? Could my local library obtain them on loan from NARA or other library? > > Thanks for any information in advance. > > Dennis Bowers > > Carthage, MO 64836 > > 417-358-8207 > > bowers@ecarthage.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna (Bowers) Hinson" <dhinson@suddenlink.net> > To: <BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com>; <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:44 AM > Subject: [BOWER] Bowers in Index of TN Land Warrants from NC > > > >> Here is a list of Bowers on the index to the TN Land Warrants (grants) >> from NC for their Revolutionary War service to NC. >> >> Included are the Reel Number and Frame Number. The grants are on a >> separate microfilm reel from the index. Some large libraries have the >> microfilm. I know Clayton Library in Houston has the index reel and the >> grants reel because I obtained a copy from NC for them. The NC Archives >> in Raleigh has both index and grants but I'm not sure if the TN Archives >> in Nashville has them or not. When I visited them some years ago, they >> only had a card file of the soldiers. Hope this is of some help to >> someone. >> >> >> Giles Bowers, S.108.350, frame 529-533, Davidson Co., TN >> John Bowers, S.108.353, frame 139--142, Davidson Co., TN >> John Bowers, S.108.372, frame 180-184, Greene Co., TN >> John Bowers, S.108.371, frame 1033, Greene Co, TN >> John Bowers, S.108.362, frame 727-731, Eastern District, TN >> Kezia Bowers, S.108.371, frame 388-392, Greene Co., TN >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:58:47 -0500 > From: "Leola Ripperger" <leeripp@iland.net> > Subject: [BOWER] Betty Risk > To: <bower@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000601c9105a$fb3c8bc0$0400000a@Leola> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have lost the e-mail Betty Risk wrote and would like for > her to get in touch with me please. I have lost her e-mail > address and would like to contact her again regarding the > Bowers lineage. > > Lee Ripperger > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BOWER list administrator, send an email to > BOWER-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BOWER mailing list, send an email to BOWER@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BOWER Digest, Vol 3, Issue 53 > ************************************ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to report that Cathie hadn't posted that was the original message on Donna's posting, so am still looking to hear from her if she is around. Sorry about the double posting.

Leola, Now would be a good time to do the DNA test since the 37 marker test is at a discount until the end of September. I've contacted someone as well but getting them to respond quickly seems difficult. We need a bigger pool of DNA participants but then we still need to do the research and verify. At least we could all confirm we're on the same track. Good luck. Donna Leola Ripperger wrote: > Renae or anyone else: > > If anyone hears anything from Cathie Carnahan or she should > see this posting along with the others, would love to have > her e-mail address. My husband descends from Leonard Bowers > as well down thru Valentine, Abraham, Daniel & Bertha and I > am interested in hearing from anyone with connections to > Leonard Bowers. > > There are a number who think George is the son of Leonard; > however, I don't agree at this time. I think George might > be a brother to Leonard and named his son after his brother. > With the naming conventions of those days, there is not a > George in John Leonard and Rebecca Bowers family and at > least one son and usually the first or second was named > after the father's side. I think Robert Boward has more of > a handle on this lineage even though the DNA's claim this > can't be either, so who knows for sure, we may never know, > but in all my research I don't believe George and Christina > are my Leonard Bowers parents, but rather a brother as I > stated earlier. Robert and the other gentleman, whose name > I can't recall at the moment, have done a lot of research > and backed it up with documentation as well. My husband is > not excited about doing the DNA and it wouldn't work for him > anyway as his mother was a Bowers and the male line would > not follow thru on the one marker passed down thru the male > line. Am going to have to see if any one else in the family > might consider it from his uncle's side of the family. > > Anyway, Cathie if you are still around, let us hear from > you, we are always looking for more Bower cousins to connect > with. > > Happy researching to all. > > Lee Ripperger > P.S. Whoops didn't read all the messages before replying, > see Cathie has posted and I will contact her. Sorry about > that. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Renae or anyone else: If anyone hears anything from Cathie Carnahan or she should see this posting along with the others, would love to have her e-mail address. My husband descends from Leonard Bowers as well down thru Valentine, Abraham, Daniel & Bertha and I am interested in hearing from anyone with connections to Leonard Bowers. There are a number who think George is the son of Leonard; however, I don't agree at this time. I think George might be a brother to Leonard and named his son after his brother. With the naming conventions of those days, there is not a George in John Leonard and Rebecca Bowers family and at least one son and usually the first or second was named after the father's side. I think Robert Boward has more of a handle on this lineage even though the DNA's claim this can't be either, so who knows for sure, we may never know, but in all my research I don't believe George and Christina are my Leonard Bowers parents, but rather a brother as I stated earlier. Robert and the other gentleman, whose name I can't recall at the moment, have done a lot of research and backed it up with documentation as well. My husband is not excited about doing the DNA and it wouldn't work for him anyway as his mother was a Bowers and the male line would not follow thru on the one marker passed down thru the male line. Am going to have to see if any one else in the family might consider it from his uncle's side of the family. Anyway, Cathie if you are still around, let us hear from you, we are always looking for more Bower cousins to connect with. Happy researching to all. Lee Ripperger

Renae or anyone else: If anyone hears anything from Cathie Carnahan or she should see this posting along with the others, would love to have her e-mail address. My husband descends from Leonard Bowers as well down thru Valentine, Abraham, Daniel & Bertha and I am interested in hearing from anyone with connections to Leonard Bowers. There are a number who think George is the son of Leonard; however, I don't agree at this time. I think George might be a brother to Leonard and named his son after his brother. With the naming conventions of those days, there is not a George in John Leonard and Rebecca Bowers family and at least one son and usually the first or second was named after the father's side. I think Robert Boward has more of a handle on this lineage even though the DNA's claim this can't be either, so who knows for sure, we may never know, but in all my research I don't believe George and Christina are my Leonard Bowers parents, but rather a brother as I stated earlier. Robert and the other gentleman, whose name I can't recall at the moment, have done a lot of research and backed it up with documentation as well. My husband is not excited about doing the DNA and it wouldn't work for him anyway as his mother was a Bowers and the male line would not follow thru on the one marker passed down thru the male line. Am going to have to see if any one else in the family might consider it from his uncle's side of the family. Anyway, Cathie if you are still around, let us hear from you, we are always looking for more Bower cousins to connect with. Happy researching to all. Lee Ripperger P.S. Whoops didn't read all the messages before replying, see Cathie has posted and I will contact her. Sorry about that.

I was recently cleaning up old emails and noticed this email from Cathie Carnahan regarding her Bowers line. Since I am Bowers and married to a Carnahan, I am intrigued. I'm curious to know if we are connected. My Bowers line is the Leonard Bowers line out of Elizabethton, TN. He was born in Washington County, MD prior to the American Revolution. Most believe his father was George Bowers, but I disagree. I think the evidence is too flimsy and speculative with more evidence against than for. My only hope is for DNA connections somewhere. My husband's Carnahan line is descended from Alexander H Carnahan, from Clay County, TN, near Red Boiling Springs. If Cathie Carnahan is still on the list, is there any possibility of a connection? Renae Bowers-Carnahan -----Original Message----- From: Cathie Carnahan [mailto:ccarn@vcmails.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:38 AM To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWERS] jacob Bowers I have recently come into possession of a genealogy that my aunt has been working on for some time. My Bower's come from Germany as best I can gather at this moment arriving in PA then moving to Washington County Maryland - I also think that at some point my branch lived in WVirginia for a time but I have yet to verify that. The earliest descendents I can track is Jacob Bowers married Priscilla Kidwell. I have a lot of information after that time if anyone is a cousin to me I would be happy to share. In addition, if anyone has any information I would love to add to this collection. Also if anyone else has descendents from Washington County do you know if the 1850 census is complete for Washington county I seem to loose them for that stretch of time. Thank you and God Bless Cathie Carnahan ==== BOWERS Mailing List ==== Please avoid flaming (attacking) any single person or the group. This infraction will earn you immediate removal from the list. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Here is a list of Bowers on the index to the TN Land Warrants (grants) from NC for their Revolutionary War service to NC. Included are the Reel Number and Frame Number. The grants are on a separate microfilm reel from the index. Some large libraries have the microfilm. I know Clayton Library in Houston has the index reel and the grants reel because I obtained a copy from NC for them. The NC Archives in Raleigh has both index and grants but I'm not sure if the TN Archives in Nashville has them or not. When I visited them some years ago, they only had a card file of the soldiers. Hope this is of some help to someone. Giles Bowers, S.108.350, frame 529-533, Davidson Co., TN John Bowers, S.108.353, frame 139--142, Davidson Co., TN John Bowers, S.108.372, frame 180-184, Greene Co., TN John Bowers, S.108.371, frame 1033, Greene Co, TN John Bowers, S.108.362, frame 727-731, Eastern District, TN Kezia Bowers, S.108.371, frame 388-392, Greene Co., TN

Anyone have any information on Thomas Bowers, 1790 census, Halifax Dist., Northhampton Co. NC? I do not find him in the 1800 or 1810 census for Northampton Co., nor Nash Co. Donna H.

Bill, and anyone else interested...... This is part of what I said in my note: /I've been going through my files and cleaning them out and ran across a family tree sent to me by Jeff Bowers. The e-mail address on the note (dated 1997!) is silver269@aristotle.net, so I would imagine it's not good today. He indicated he descends from James Bowers of Morris Co., NJ, Rev. Patriot, who lived in Montgomery Co., TN. I'm not sure if the data he sent me is accurate and it looked like he obtained it from someone named Gregory Wayne Jones of Garland TX (1997). It shows a Lemuel b. 1808 in TN to be son of John Bowers who was one of James Bowers' sons. I know there were 3 sons of James in Montgomery Co. TN as I saw them while looking at my ancestors in the area. I won't know if I have a connection to James or any of the ones in Davidson Co. and Wilson Co. TN unless some of their descendants do a DNA test. I've exhausted all documents and have had my uncle do a DNA test but there seems to be no one that I've found yet with ancestors from TN who have done the test, or want to. The data he sent me shows John, son of James, to have a son named Lemuel b. 1808 m. Eleanor Allen who died with no children. He has no 2nd marriage listed. Shows in Pope Co., AR and in the census indexes may be listed as Samuel. He indicated that Lemuel moved to Pope Co., AR after hs wife Eleanor died. Shows a deed record in Montgomery Co., TN, Vol 4, Pg 185-187. Says Eleanor Allen is buried in Morris Cemetery, Montgomery Co., TN. He shows other siblings: Mary, Abner P., Joseph C., James S., Nancy, William P., John Marshall, Elizabeth, Kinchen, Stephen Sanford. / That's all that was listed for Lemuel on the tree. Unfortunately, when I said I was cleaning out my files, I was too fast and dumped all that paper which went out in this week's garbage. I am really sorry. I guess that was not the thing to do. I have lugged several full file cabinets for two moves (1999 & 2004) and thought I would get rid of anything that didn't seem pertinent to me before the next move. I supposed that anyone who did the DNA test and matched me, then we could exchange info at that time and if James matched my Jeremiah, we would exchange our trees. So sorry. I would suggest trying to call Gregory Jones at the above number to see if he is still in Garland TX or write to Jeff Bowers. If you reach Jeff "Bowers," maybe he would consider doing the DNA test if he is of this line. Maybe some of the researchers could sponsor him, thus reducing the cost to a smaller amount per person. I would consider contributing. I also think there are other descendants of James Bowers of Morris Co. NJ who may either be on this list or on Genforum, or could be found on the Roots Surname List. The info that I still have, however, is as follows: This group (at least the ones I looked at, which did not include Lemuel) was in Montgomery Co., TN. James Bowers was originally from Morristown, NJ, a Revolutionary War patriot. There are pension papers for him and my notes indicate he said he lived for a time in NC. It was said that when he died, he went to live with a daughter who lived in Wilson Co., TN. Note, I do not have proof of this line and the tree I mentioned did not have sources either. There were 3 sons in Montgomery Co., TN who were supposedly sons of James Bowers: John, Joseph, and James. I have the 1820 census for each of them if you need. The 1850 census for John Bowers, said to be Lemuel's father, does not show a Lemuel. I'm supposing that your Lemuel must've gone to AR by 1850. The other children's names match the tree so it sounds like whoever did the research had the census data. I don't recall if there was a will for James Bowers or not, but am sure there were Rev. War pension papers. I will see what else I might have, but below are some of my notes. ..................................................................................................................................................................... Husband: James Bowers b. 1756 Morristown, NJ (Did he live in Pitt Co., NC before migrating to TN?) Wife: ? Married: County: Montgomery Co. State: Tennessee Children: John b. 1785 NC (1850 census lists John Bowers, age 65, b. NC) Joseph b. 1787 James b. 1801 1840 Census: James (Rev. Soldier) living with son James in 1840 Males: 1 - Age 30-40 1 - Age 80-90 Listed as age 84/Rev. War Pension Females: 1 - Under 5 1 - Age 20-30 Pension papers said James had lived in NC. James is said to have moved to Sumner Co. to live with daughter where he later died. ................................................................................................................................................................. 1850 Census for John Bowers, son of James Bowers: Head of Household: John Bowers, age 65 (1785) b. NC, Farmer Wife: Francis, age 59 (1791), b. SC Kinchen, Male, age 22 (1828), b. TN Stephen S., age 18 (1832) b. TN Elizabeth 23 (1827), b. TN I have DAR papers from a descendant of Joseph, son of James. It indicates b. b. May 28, 1756 Morris Co., NJ d. at Sumner Co., TN after March 9, 1843. (I had noted Wilson Co., which was formed from Sumner in 1799......so there is some discrepancy there) It also says his wife was born. between 1750-1760 and d. at Montgomery Co. between 1830-1840. Marriage date c. 1784, There is a note regarding James Bowers Descendants, NJ to AR by Flodelle Hooker Crates....it is not very readable on this copy. Pg. 1-25. The DAR paper also says John's wife was Frances (no last name), Joseph's wife was mary "Polly" fletcher and son James' wife was Susan. There was also a daughter, but no name given. Rev. War Pension #S1499, but there is a question mark and written in is 1495. Interestingly, when I do a search on Heritage Quest for James Bowers, NJ, Rev. War records, it gives S1498!! There is also a Bounty Land Record card: Series: M805 Roll: 109 Image: 104 File: 8114 Page: 1 of 1, issued Sept. 29, 1791. I think the pension was 1833. I have notes indicating Jeannie Casey also researched this family. I'll send you the last address I had for her. I have In the book, "Montgomery Co. TN Wills & Administrations, Vol. 2, 1805-1814," John Bowers was listed on bill of sale from Abraham Whitehead to John Bayliss, November 23, 1807, Will Book A, Pg. 354. I hope this helps. Donna wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: > I think it was you who send to the list that you had ran across a tree sent to you by a Jeff Bowers. The info on that tree looks like my Lemuel Bowers. > > I don't know any male Bowers. > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> > To: bowers@rootsweb.com; wstaggs189@aol.com > Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:43 am > Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > I did not mention a Lemuel in this note. Are you referring to another note? > > However, there was a Lemuel in Davidson Co., TN and also another in > Wilson Co., TN, just east of Davidson Co. They are two different > Lemuel's. > > Is the Davidson Co., TN Lemuel, your Lemuel? Or the Wilson Co. Lemuel? > Let me know. > > Do you know a male Bowers descendant who would join the DNA group? We > need to figure out these Middle TN Bowers! > > I have some info on Lemuel Bowers of Wilson Co. TN also. > > I have been unable to connect any of them to my Bowers who also lived in > Wilson Co. TN. Are we all cousins? I think DNA is the only way we will > ever know if they're all connected or not. > > Donna > > > wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: > >> Donna Hinson,? That is my Lemuel. Could you send me the rest of the info? My >> > address is wstaggs189@aol.com > >> ?Thanks, >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >> To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 7:03 pm >> Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Genealogy & the DNA Project >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was just cleaning up some more ancient emails. One was from back in >> 2005 when the Bowers DNA project was just getting started. Terry Barton >> mentioned having over 140 members in the Barton surname project. Here >> it is 2008, and our Bowers project seems at a standstill with less than >> 40 participants. >> >> Bowers is one of the more common surnames and we seem to have a lot of >> stragglers out there we can't connect. In my group in Middle TN, we >> have several Bowers groups: James Bowers of Montgomery Co. TN who hails >> from Morris Co. NJ, William Pitt Bowers of Davidson Co., TN who was in >> Pitt Co., NC at one time. There's Jeremiah Bowers of Wilson Co., TN who >> was also in Nash Co., NC and went to KY around 1837. One of his sons >> went to MS about that time, as well. Also in Wilson Co., TN are: >> James, William, Jesse m. Nancy Mann 1810, GILES who d. 1818, Benjamin b. >> 1775 or earlier, and Morris Bowers. >> >> Who are they? Are all these in middle TN Bowers related? We will >> probably never know unless their descendants do a DNA test. >> >> My Jeremiah had sons who also moved to IL, so you northern Bowers could >> be cousins of us southern Bowers. >> >> I'm sure we must have the same mysteries for Bowers in other states. >> With such a common name, we should really have had more than 40 >> participates by now. I know the cost is not cheap, but FamilyTree DNA >> has a very good price (about $119) through the end of the month right >> now for the 37 marker test. >> >> I bet I have more than $100 worth of paper copies of every Bowers I >> could find in NC, TN, KY, and MS in my file cabinet, not to speak of >> trips I've made all over the U.S. to research Bowers. I wish DNA had >> been around when I started my research. I could have immediately ended >> researching the Giles Bowers in Franklin Co. NC for one as well as all >> those others I do not match. >> >> BTW, I do not have any financial interest in FamilyTree DNA. I would >> simply like to see us figure out our Bowers connections and the 2005 >> email I just deleted from Terry about how many participants triggered >> this note. I know many of us are at a brick wall in the 1700's, some at >> more recent dates as well. Many records were lost in courthouse fires. >> But if we have a male descendant willing to contribute DNA, then we >> might solve some of our mysteries. >> >> My mystery right now is where in VA was Jeremiah born in 1768? Where >> should I look for his parents? VA has many counties and many Bowers. >> The same sort of mysteries surround Bowers from AR NC, SC and Georgia >> and many other states. If we had a larger group of participants, I >> think many relationship questions could be resolved, or we would at >> least know where to focus our research and might have several cousins >> who could help each other research. >> >> Anyway, you have about 3 more days to take advantage of the special >> price so I thought I would throw out a reminder. Check the website below: >> >> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/bowers/ >> >> Donna >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com >> > > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Donna, This is wonderful....maybe there is some hope that this line connects to mine. I sure wish I know a male Bower who could test! My Lemuel Bower, son of Lemuel Bower lived in Morris Co, NJ in the mid to late 1800s. I recall someone telling me that they thought another member of this family did go to NC, but proof was a bit weak, although plausible. I'll dig around to see what I know. Please do keep me in the loop on this! Thanks, Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org) Administrator for eleven FTDNA DNA Projects ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna (Bowers) Hinson" <dhinson@suddenlink.net> To: <bowers@rootsweb.com>; <wstaggs189@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers > Bill, and anyone else interested...... > > This is part of what I said in my note: > > /I've been going through my files and cleaning them out and ran across a > family tree sent to me by Jeff Bowers. The e-mail address on the note > (dated 1997!) is silver269@aristotle.net, so I would imagine it's not > good today. > > He indicated he descends from James Bowers of Morris Co., NJ, Rev. > Patriot, who lived in Montgomery Co., TN. I'm not sure if the data he > sent me is accurate and it looked like he obtained it from someone named > Gregory Wayne Jones of Garland TX (1997). > > It shows a Lemuel b. 1808 in TN to be son of John Bowers who was one of > James Bowers' sons. I know there were 3 sons of James in Montgomery Co. > TN as I saw them while looking at my ancestors in the area. I won't > know if I have a connection to James or any of the ones in Davidson Co. > and Wilson Co. TN unless some of their descendants do a DNA test. I've > exhausted all documents and have had my uncle do a DNA test but there > seems to be no one that I've found yet with ancestors from TN who have > done the test, or want to. > > The data he sent me shows John, son of James, to have a son named Lemuel > b. 1808 m. Eleanor Allen who died with no children. He has no 2nd > marriage listed. Shows in Pope Co., AR and in the census indexes may be > listed as Samuel. He indicated that Lemuel moved to Pope Co., AR after > hs wife Eleanor died. Shows a deed record in Montgomery Co., TN, Vol 4, > Pg 185-187. Says Eleanor Allen is buried in Morris Cemetery, Montgomery > Co., TN. He shows other siblings: > Mary, Abner P., Joseph C., James S., Nancy, William P., John Marshall, > Elizabeth, Kinchen, Stephen Sanford. > / > That's all that was listed for Lemuel on the tree. > > Unfortunately, when I said I was cleaning out my files, I was too fast > and dumped all that paper which went out in this week's garbage. I am > really sorry. I guess that was not the thing to do. I have lugged > several full file cabinets for two moves (1999 & 2004) and thought I > would get rid of anything that didn't seem pertinent to me before the > next move. I supposed that anyone who did the DNA test and matched me, > then we could exchange info at that time and if James matched my > Jeremiah, we would exchange our trees. So sorry. > > I would suggest trying to call Gregory Jones at the above number to see > if he is still in Garland TX or write to Jeff Bowers. If you reach Jeff > "Bowers," maybe he would consider doing the DNA test if he is of this > line. Maybe some of the researchers could sponsor him, thus reducing > the cost to a smaller amount per person. I would consider contributing. > > I also think there are other descendants of James Bowers of Morris Co. > NJ who may either be on this list or on Genforum, or could be found on > the Roots Surname List. > > The info that I still have, however, is as follows: > > This group (at least the ones I looked at, which did not include Lemuel) > was in Montgomery Co., TN. James Bowers was originally from > Morristown, NJ, a Revolutionary War patriot. There are pension papers > for him and my notes indicate he said he lived for a time in NC. It was > said that when he died, he went to live with a daughter who lived in > Wilson Co., TN. > > Note, I do not have proof of this line and the tree I mentioned did not > have sources either. > > There were 3 sons in Montgomery Co., TN who were supposedly sons of > James Bowers: John, Joseph, and James. I have the 1820 census for each > of them if you need. > > The 1850 census for John Bowers, said to be Lemuel's father, does not > show a Lemuel. I'm supposing that your Lemuel must've gone to AR by > 1850. The other children's names match the tree so it sounds like > whoever did the research had the census data. I don't recall if there > was a will for James Bowers or not, but am sure there were Rev. War > pension papers. I will see what else I might have, but below are some > of my notes. > ..................................................................................................................................................................... > Husband: James Bowers b. 1756 Morristown, NJ (Did he live in Pitt > Co., > NC before migrating to TN?) > Wife: ? > Married: > County: Montgomery Co. > State: Tennessee > > Children: John b. 1785 NC (1850 census lists John Bowers, age 65, b. > NC) > Joseph b. 1787 > James b. 1801 > > 1840 Census: James (Rev. Soldier) living with son James in 1840 > Males: > 1 - Age 30-40 > 1 - Age 80-90 Listed as age 84/Rev. War Pension > > Females: > 1 - Under 5 > 1 - Age 20-30 > > Pension papers said James had lived in NC. > > James is said to have moved to Sumner Co. to live with daughter where he > later died. > ................................................................................................................................................................. > > 1850 Census for John Bowers, son of James Bowers: > > Head of Household: John Bowers, age 65 (1785) b. NC, Farmer > Wife: Francis, age 59 (1791), b. SC > Kinchen, Male, age 22 (1828), b. TN > Stephen S., age 18 (1832) b. TN > Elizabeth 23 (1827), b. TN > > I have DAR papers from a descendant of Joseph, son of James. It > indicates b. b. May 28, 1756 Morris Co., NJ d. at Sumner Co., TN after > March 9, 1843. (I had noted Wilson Co., which was formed from Sumner in > 1799......so there is some discrepancy there) > > It also says his wife was born. between 1750-1760 and d. at Montgomery > Co. between 1830-1840. Marriage date c. 1784, > > There is a note regarding James Bowers Descendants, NJ to AR by Flodelle > Hooker Crates....it is not very readable on this copy. Pg. 1-25. > > The DAR paper also says John's wife was Frances (no last name), Joseph's > wife was mary "Polly" fletcher and son James' wife was Susan. There was > also a daughter, but no name given. > > Rev. War Pension #S1499, but there is a question mark and written in is > 1495. Interestingly, when I do a search on Heritage Quest for James > Bowers, NJ, Rev. War records, it gives S1498!! There is also a Bounty > Land Record card: Series: M805 Roll: 109 Image: 104 File: 8114 > Page: 1 of 1, issued Sept. 29, 1791. > > I think the pension was 1833. I have notes indicating Jeannie Casey > also researched this family. I'll send you the last address I had for > her. > > I have In the book, "Montgomery Co. TN Wills & Administrations, Vol. 2, > 1805-1814," John Bowers was listed on bill of sale from Abraham > Whitehead to John Bayliss, November 23, 1807, Will Book A, Pg. 354. > > I hope this helps. Donna > > wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: >> I think it was you who send to the list that you had ran across a tree >> sent to you by a Jeff Bowers. The info on that tree looks like my Lemuel >> Bowers. >> >> I don't know any male Bowers. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >> To: bowers@rootsweb.com; wstaggs189@aol.com >> Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:43 am >> Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bill, >> >> I did not mention a Lemuel in this note. Are you referring to another >> note? >> >> However, there was a Lemuel in Davidson Co., TN and also another in >> Wilson Co., TN, just east of Davidson Co. They are two different >> Lemuel's. >> >> Is the Davidson Co., TN Lemuel, your Lemuel? Or the Wilson Co. Lemuel? >> Let me know. >> >> Do you know a male Bowers descendant who would join the DNA group? We >> need to figure out these Middle TN Bowers! >> >> I have some info on Lemuel Bowers of Wilson Co. TN also. >> >> I have been unable to connect any of them to my Bowers who also lived in >> Wilson Co. TN. Are we all cousins? I think DNA is the only way we will >> ever know if they're all connected or not. >> >> Donna >> >> >> wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Donna Hinson,? That is my Lemuel. Could you send me the rest of the >>> info? My >>> >> address is wstaggs189@aol.com >> >>> ?Thanks, >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> >>> To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 7:03 pm >>> Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Genealogy & the DNA Project >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was just cleaning up some more ancient emails. One was from back in >>> 2005 when the Bowers DNA project was just getting started. Terry Barton >>> mentioned having over 140 members in the Barton surname project. Here >>> it is 2008, and our Bowers project seems at a standstill with less than >>> 40 participants. >>> >>> Bowers is one of the more common surnames and we seem to have a lot of >>> stragglers out there we can't connect. In my group in Middle TN, we >>> have several Bowers groups: James Bowers of Montgomery Co. TN who hails >>> from Morris Co. NJ, William Pitt Bowers of Davidson Co., TN who was in >>> Pitt Co., NC at one time. There's Jeremiah Bowers of Wilson Co., TN who >>> was also in Nash Co., NC and went to KY around 1837. One of his sons >>> went to MS about that time, as well. Also in Wilson Co., TN are: >>> James, William, Jesse m. Nancy Mann 1810, GILES who d. 1818, Benjamin b. >>> 1775 or earlier, and Morris Bowers. >>> >>> Who are they? Are all these in middle TN Bowers related? We will >>> probably never know unless their descendants do a DNA test. >>> >>> My Jeremiah had sons who also moved to IL, so you northern Bowers could >>> be cousins of us southern Bowers. >>> >>> I'm sure we must have the same mysteries for Bowers in other states. >>> With such a common name, we should really have had more than 40 >>> participates by now. I know the cost is not cheap, but FamilyTree DNA >>> has a very good price (about $119) through the end of the month right >>> now for the 37 marker test. >>> >>> I bet I have more than $100 worth of paper copies of every Bowers I >>> could find in NC, TN, KY, and MS in my file cabinet, not to speak of >>> trips I've made all over the U.S. to research Bowers. I wish DNA had >>> been around when I started my research. I could have immediately ended >>> researching the Giles Bowers in Franklin Co. NC for one as well as all >>> those others I do not match. >>> >>> BTW, I do not have any financial interest in FamilyTree DNA. I would >>> simply like to see us figure out our Bowers connections and the 2005 >>> email I just deleted from Terry about how many participants triggered >>> this note. I know many of us are at a brick wall in the 1700's, some at >>> more recent dates as well. Many records were lost in courthouse fires. >>> But if we have a male descendant willing to contribute DNA, then we >>> might solve some of our mysteries. >>> >>> My mystery right now is where in VA was Jeremiah born in 1768? Where >>> should I look for his parents? VA has many counties and many Bowers. >>> The same sort of mysteries surround Bowers from AR NC, SC and Georgia >>> and many other states. If we had a larger group of participants, I >>> think many relationship questions could be resolved, or we would at >>> least know where to focus our research and might have several cousins >>> who could help each other research. >>> >>> Anyway, you have about 3 more days to take advantage of the special >>> price so I thought I would throw out a reminder. 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Lemuel Bowers b. 11/15/1806 in TN, d. 01/15/1878 in Pope Co., AR. -----Original Message----- From: Emily <aulicino@hevanet.com> To: bowers@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers Which Lemuel Bowers is this....I desc. from Lemuel, also! Emily If you do not hear from me in a timely manner, just write again...I was buried in email. LOL http://www.rootsweb.com/~orgco2/speaker/EmilyAulicino.html http://genealem-geneticgenealogy.blogspot.com/ Northwest Regional Coordinator and Speaker for ISOGG (www.isogg.org) Administrator for eleven FTDNA DNA Projects ----- Original Message ----- From: <wstaggs189@aol.com> To: <bowers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers > > Donna Hinson,? That is my Lemuel. Could you send me the rest of the info? > My address is wstaggs189@aol.com > ?Thanks, > > Bill > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> > To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 7:03 pm > Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Genealogy & the DNA Project > > > > > > > > > > > I was just cleaning up some more ancient emails. One was from back in > 2005 when the Bowers DNA project was just getting started. Terry Barton > mentioned having over 140 members in the Barton surname project. Here > it is 2008, and our Bowers project seems at a standstill with less than > 40 participants. > > Bowers is one of the more common surnames and we seem to have a lot of > stragglers out there we can't connect. In my group in Middle TN, we > have several Bowers groups: James Bowers of Montgomery Co. TN who hails > from Morris Co. NJ, William Pitt Bowers of Davidson Co., TN who was in > Pitt Co., NC at one time. There's Jeremiah Bowers of Wilson Co., TN who > was also in Nash Co., NC and went to KY around 1837. One of his sons > went to MS about that time, as well. Also in Wilson Co., TN are: > James, William, Jesse m. Nancy Mann 1810, GILES who d. 1818, Benjamin b. > 1775 or earlier, and Morris Bowers. > > Who are they? Are all these in middle TN Bowers related? We will > probably never know unless their descendants do a DNA test. > > My Jeremiah had sons who also moved to IL, so you northern Bowers could > be cousins of us southern Bowers. > > I'm sure we must have the same mysteries for Bowers in other states. > With such a common name, we should really have had more than 40 > participates by now. I know the cost is not cheap, but FamilyTree DNA > has a very good price (about $119) through the end of the month right > now for the 37 marker test. > > I bet I have more than $100 worth of paper copies of every Bowers I > could find in NC, TN, KY, and MS in my file cabinet, not to speak of > trips I've made all over the U.S. to research Bowers. I wish DNA had > been around when I started my research. I could have immediately ended > researching the Giles Bowers in Franklin Co. NC for one as well as all > those others I do not match. > > BTW, I do not have any financial interest in FamilyTree DNA. I would > simply like to see us figure out our Bowers connections and the 2005 > email I just deleted from Terry about how many participants triggered > this note. I know many of us are at a brick wall in the 1700's, some at > more recent dates as well. Many records were lost in courthouse fires. > But if we have a male descendant willing to contribute DNA, then we > might solve some of our mysteries. > > My mystery right now is where in VA was Jeremiah born in 1768? Where > should I look for his parents? VA has many counties and many Bowers. > The same sort of mysteries surround Bowers from AR NC, SC and Georgia > and many other states. If we had a larger group of participants, I > think many relationship questions could be resolved, or we would at > least know where to focus our research and might have several cousins > who could help each other research. > > Anyway, you have about 3 more days to take advantage of the special > price so I thought I would throw out a reminder. 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I think it was you who send to the list that you had ran across a tree sent to you by a Jeff Bowers. The info on that tree looks like my Lemuel Bowers. I don't know any male Bowers. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> To: bowers@rootsweb.com; wstaggs189@aol.com Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:43 am Subject: Re: [BOWERS] Lemuel Bowers Bill, I did not mention a Lemuel in this note. Are you referring to another note? However, there was a Lemuel in Davidson Co., TN and also another in Wilson Co., TN, just east of Davidson Co. They are two different Lemuel's. Is the Davidson Co., TN Lemuel, your Lemuel? Or the Wilson Co. Lemuel? Let me know. Do you know a male Bowers descendant who would join the DNA group? We need to figure out these Middle TN Bowers! I have some info on Lemuel Bowers of Wilson Co. TN also. I have been unable to connect any of them to my Bowers who also lived in Wilson Co. TN. Are we all cousins? I think DNA is the only way we will ever know if they're all connected or not. Donna wstaggs189@aol.com wrote: > Donna Hinson,? That is my Lemuel. Could you send me the rest of the info? My address is wstaggs189@aol.com > ?Thanks, > > Bill > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna (Bowers) Hinson <dhinson@suddenlink.net> > To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 7:03 pm > Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Genealogy & the DNA Project > > > > > > > > > > > I was just cleaning up some more ancient emails. One was from back in > 2005 when the Bowers DNA project was just getting started. Terry Barton > mentioned having over 140 members in the Barton surname project. Here > it is 2008, and our Bowers project seems at a standstill with less than > 40 participants. > > Bowers is one of the more common surnames and we seem to have a lot of > stragglers out there we can't connect. In my group in Middle TN, we > have several Bowers groups: James Bowers of Montgomery Co. TN who hails > from Morris Co. NJ, William Pitt Bowers of Davidson Co., TN who was in > Pitt Co., NC at one time. There's Jeremiah Bowers of Wilson Co., TN who > was also in Nash Co., NC and went to KY around 1837. One of his sons > went to MS about that time, as well. Also in Wilson Co., TN are: > James, William, Jesse m. Nancy Mann 1810, GILES who d. 1818, Benjamin b. > 1775 or earlier, and Morris Bowers. > > Who are they? Are all these in middle TN Bowers related? We will > probably never know unless their descendants do a DNA test. > > My Jeremiah had sons who also moved to IL, so you northern Bowers could > be cousins of us southern Bowers. > > I'm sure we must have the same mysteries for Bowers in other states. > With such a common name, we should really have had more than 40 > participates by now. I know the cost is not cheap, but FamilyTree DNA > has a very good price (about $119) through the end of the month right > now for the 37 marker test. > > I bet I have more than $100 worth of paper copies of every Bowers I > could find in NC, TN, KY, and MS in my file cabinet, not to speak of > trips I've made all over the U.S. to research Bowers. I wish DNA had > been around when I started my research. I could have immediately ended > researching the Giles Bowers in Franklin Co. NC for one as well as all > those others I do not match. > > BTW, I do not have any financial interest in FamilyTree DNA. I would > simply like to see us figure out our Bowers connections and the 2005 > email I just deleted from Terry about how many participants triggered > this note. I know many of us are at a brick wall in the 1700's, some at > more recent dates as well. Many records were lost in courthouse fires. > But if we have a male descendant willing to contribute DNA, then we > might solve some of our mysteries. > > My mystery right now is where in VA was Jeremiah born in 1768? Where > should I look for his parents? VA has many counties and many Bowers. > The same sort of mysteries surround Bowers from AR NC, SC and Georgia > and many other states. If we had a larger group of participants, I > think many relationship questions could be resolved, or we would at > least know where to focus our research and might have several cousins > who could help each other research. > > Anyway, you have about 3 more days to take advantage of the special > price so I thought I would throw out a reminder. Check the website below: > > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/bowers/ > > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message