Yes, the 12 marker kit is currently available at a substantial discount. The problem, though, is that very often the 12 marker test is inconclusive in establishing a meaningful genealogical relationship. In my experience, the 12 marker test is most useful in disproving a relationship. To prove a relationship, even the 25 marker test is often inconclusive. Only the 37 marker and higher tests yield meaningful matches. So, if one finds a match at 12 markers, you will most likely want to upgrade. It currently costs $49 to upgrade from 12 to 25 markers and $99 to upgrade from 12 to 37 markers. Of course, if your 12 marker results do not show any Bowers/Bower/Bauer/etc. matches, you've saved, at least until a match occurs, the extra cost of the higher marker kits. Just something to consider when deciding how to get the most bang for the buck. Robert Strong Administrator of the Bowers DNA Project http://azstrong.tripod.com/bowersdnaproject/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hinson Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:53 AM To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com ; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWER] Family Tree DNA special offer I just learned from Rodney Bowers that Family Tree DNA is making a special offer of the DNA-12 marker test for $39. See here for more info: http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/Y-DNA12-Promo.aspx We need more Bower/Bowers participants in DNA testing. So many of us have no matches but in addition, our Bowers DNA group is very small for a name that is so common. The FTDNA Bowers Project shows DNA results by ancestor and Robert Strong is the administrator. Check out the project at this URL: http://azstrong.tripod.com/bowersdnaproject/index.html Donna (Bowers) Hinson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just learned from Rodney Bowers that Family Tree DNA is making a special offer of the DNA-12 marker test for $39. See here for more info: http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/Y-DNA12-Promo.aspx We need more Bower/Bowers participants in DNA testing. So many of us have no matches but in addition, our Bowers DNA group is very small for a name that is so common. The FTDNA Bowers Project shows DNA results by ancestor and Robert Strong is the administrator. Check out the project at this URL: http://azstrong.tripod.com/bowersdnaproject/index.html Donna (Bowers) Hinson

My relative did the yDNA test for Bowers. Some might want to read the following on the various tests which include yDNA (paternal line), mtDNA (maternal line), and autosomal DNA (family finder) tests. http://www.worldfamilies.net/dnatesting On 1/5/2013 6:13 PM, goodygarner@aol.com wrote: > My husband Hugh Pierce Garner is from William Augustus "Billy" Bowers of Sevier and Blount Co., TN. Hugh has had his DNA tested with Family Tree's Family Finder which finds cousins on both sides. I hope we'll find a Bowers cousin through this. > Thanks much. > . > Marilyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Bower <briarrose260@gmail.com> > To: bower <bower@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 6:16 pm > Subject: [BOWER] FTDNA > > > I have just done the FTDNA test. I will take it to the post office on Monday. > > I am descended from Jacob Bower of PA, KY, and IL. > > How many of the Bower list has done this test? > > Barbara Bower > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6008 - Release Date: 01/03/13 > >

Thought I would forward to the Bowers List. Sorry for any duplication. I had a male Bowers in my family contribute his DNA for the test. My line is on the FTDNA page, B-34 is my number. Unfortunately, I have no match with other Bower/Bowers yet. http://azstrong.tripod.com/bowersdnaproject/web_patriarchs_3nov2012.htm On 1/5/2013 5:16 PM, Barbara Bower wrote: > I have just done the FTDNA test. I will take it to the post office on Monday. > > I am descended from Jacob Bower of PA, KY, and IL. > > How many of the Bower list has done this test? > > Barbara Bower > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/6008 - Release Date: 01/03/13 > >

The tree below appears on the Bowers DNA Project Patriarchs page: http://azstrong.tripod.com/bowersdnaproject/web_patriarchs_3nov2012.htm The email address attached to it is no longer valid. Does this tree belong to anyone on the Bowers/Bower list perhaps? It doesn't appear that the person who posted it ever did the DNA test. That's unfortunate since it appears to be a an extensive Bowers line that many claim. There are also several people who have done the DNA test but not posted their earliest known ancestor or a short family tree. Maybe they wish to remain totally incognito! It would help those of us still researching, especially those of us who do not match anyone's DNA, if those people would submit their earliest known ancestor. Most of us know our DNA doesn't match them, but we don't know who those Bowers ancestors are!! Many of us go about looking for that elusive ancestor (our brickwalls) and is the reason we did the DNA test. But if we don't know who is represented by that DNA, then we are possibly spending a lot of time looking at records to which we have no relation. I can understand not posting a name if the individual is still alive, but if it is an ancestor deceased, I know I would appreciate a name being posted so I could eliminate that individual in my research. The Bowers DNA project is simply not a project unless we Bowers descendants make it a project. It would also be nice if those who have posted a tree would update their email addresses if they have changed and not been updated. Let's make it a resolution to update our Bowers project page for 2013! If anyone belongs to the tree below, please contact me. Thanks! Donna Hinson *Lemuel Bowers*(Capt in Amer Rev), d 1785 Morris Co /NJ - /[aulicino AT hevanet.com] oLemuel Bowers, b c1761, d 1830 Crown Point NY §John Bowers §Lewis Bowers §William Bowers §Hannah Bowers, b c1792 §Lemuel M Bowers, b 1798, d 1873 Fond DuLac Co WI §Daniel Bowers, b 1824 VT, d 1905 Addison Co VT §Henry Bowers, b c1832 NY §Polly Bowers, b c1836 NY §Elizabeth Bowers, b c1840 NY §Lemuel Bowers, b c1849 §Daniel D Bowers, b c1800, d c1871, m Betsey Pickett §Leamon Bowers, b c1833, d 1896 Barton Co MO §William Bowers, b c1862 PA §Blanch Bowers, b c1864 PA §Julia Bowers, b c1872 MO §Gertrude Bowers, b c1875 MO §Laura Jane Bowers, b 1834, d 1884 Dent Co MO §Daniel H Bowers, b 1840 Warren Co PA, d 1887 Greenwood Co KS §Oscar F Bowers, b 1842, d 1864 on Boydton Plank Road, VA §Sarah Bowers, b c1844 §Arthur E Bowers, b 1848, d 1863 Warren Co PA

Donna, Lemuel Bowers is my ancestor and my email is on the site...it is the same. However, it went female so early that I do not know a tester. Emily -----Original Message----- From: bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Hinson Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:11 PM To: BOWERS-L@rootsweb.com; BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWERS] FTDNA Bowers Project The tree below appears on the Bowers DNA Project Patriarchs page: http://azstrong.tripod.com/bowersdnaproject/web_patriarchs_3nov2012.htm The email address attached to it is no longer valid. Does this tree belong to anyone on the Bowers/Bower list perhaps? It doesn't appear that the person who posted it ever did the DNA test. That's unfortunate since it appears to be a an extensive Bowers line that many claim. There are also several people who have done the DNA test but not posted their earliest known ancestor or a short family tree. Maybe they wish to remain totally incognito! It would help those of us still researching, especially those of us who do not match anyone's DNA, if those people would submit their earliest known ancestor. Most of us know our DNA doesn't match them, but we don't know who those Bowers ancestors are!! Many of us go about looking for that elusive ancestor (our brickwalls) and is the reason we did the DNA test. But if we don't know who is represented by that DNA, then we are possibly spending a lot of time looking at records to which we have no relation. I can understand not posting a name if the individual is still alive, but if it is an ancestor deceased, I know I would appreciate a name being posted so I could eliminate that individual in my research. The Bowers DNA project is simply not a project unless we Bowers descendants make it a project. It would also be nice if those who have posted a tree would update their email addresses if they have changed and not been updated. Let's make it a resolution to update our Bowers project page for 2013! If anyone belongs to the tree below, please contact me. Thanks! Donna Hinson *Lemuel Bowers*(Capt in Amer Rev), d 1785 Morris Co /NJ - /[aulicino AT hevanet.com] oLemuel Bowers, b c1761, d 1830 Crown Point NY §John Bowers §Lewis Bowers §William Bowers §Hannah Bowers, b c1792 §Lemuel M Bowers, b 1798, d 1873 Fond DuLac Co WI §Daniel Bowers, b 1824 VT, d 1905 Addison Co VT §Henry Bowers, b c1832 NY §Polly Bowers, b c1836 NY §Elizabeth Bowers, b c1840 NY §Lemuel Bowers, b c1849 §Daniel D Bowers, b c1800, d c1871, m Betsey Pickett §Leamon Bowers, b c1833, d 1896 Barton Co MO §William Bowers, b c1862 PA §Blanch Bowers, b c1864 PA §Julia Bowers, b c1872 MO §Gertrude Bowers, b c1875 MO §Laura Jane Bowers, b 1834, d 1884 Dent Co MO §Daniel H Bowers, b 1840 Warren Co PA, d 1887 Greenwood Co KS §Oscar F Bowers, b 1842, d 1864 on Boydton Plank Road, VA §Sarah Bowers, b c1844 §Arthur E Bowers, b 1848, d 1863 Warren Co PA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn, I am getting the notes you've posted so it's going through. It may be many aren't checking their email right now because of holiday activities and not had the time. Or, no one has information or is connected. My Bowers go back to VA 1768 so not related. You might also check the Bowers on Genforum. You can do a search or post your info there: http://genforum.genealogy.com/bowers/ Happy Holidays & Good Luck! Donna On 12/22/2012 8:39 PM, famgen7@att.net wrote: > I an not sure if it is going through or not. Just in case this time. > Thanks. > Happy Holidays! >

I an not sure if it is going through or not. Just in case this time. Thanks. Happy Holidays! -- HI all, I am looking for Lazarus Francis Bowers' parents and siblings who lived in Germany. Also his older son John William Bowers buried in unknown place. Where was his death place? What was death date? I have recorded that Lazarus F. Bowers b @ 1844 in Germany. He immigrated in USA in 1850 along with parents and others. I was told that parents were dead on a ship and others said that his mother in USA and others stated that he lived with his uncle. No trace! I have him in censuses: Death: September 1926 in Douglas County, MO Burial: Dogwood Cemetery, Lincoln Township, Douglas County, MO. He lived with his older son John William Bowers in 1910 in MO. Married Martha Ann Clark in Harrison County, IN in 1866. B: December 2, 1841 in VA. 9 known children: 1. John William Bowers B: September 1867 in Harrison County, IN 2. Mary Annabelle "Molly" Bowers B: January 9, 1869 in Harrison Co., IN 3. Cora Luby Bowers B: November 7, 1871 in Harrison Co., IN 4. Henry Edward Bowers B: February 26, 1873 in Harrison Co., IN 5. Sarah R. "Sally" Bowers B: 1876 in Harrison Co., IN 6. Catherine "Katie" BowersB: November 6, 1876 in Harrison Co., IN 7. Elizabeth G. "Bertie" Bowers B: March 1878 in Harrison Co., IN 8. Atta Grace "Attie" Bowers B: September 9, 1879 in Harrison Co., IN 9. Charles A. R. Bowers B: August 31, 1883 in Cassville, Barry County, MO Hope this help and find track to Lazarus' parents, siblings & John. My stone is on them. Happy Holidays! Carolyn

HI all, I am looking for Lazarus Francis Bowers' parents and siblings who lived in Germany. Also his older son John William Bowers buried in unknown place. Where was his death place? What was death date? I have recorded that Lazarus F. Bowers b @ 1844 in Germany. He immiagrated in USA in 1850 along with parents and others. I was told that parents were dead on a ship and others said that his mother in USA and others stated that he lived with his uncle. No trace! I have him in censuses: Death: September 1926 in Douglas County, MO Burial: Dogwood Cemetery, Lincoln Township, Douglas County, MO. He lived with his older son John William Bowers in 1910 in MO. Married Martha Ann Clark in Harrison County, IN in 1866. B: December 2, 1841 in VA. 9 known children: 1. John William Bowers B: September 1867 in Harrison County, IN 2. Mary Annabelle "Molly" Bowers B: January 9, 1869 in Harrison Co., IN 3. Cora Luby Bowers B: November 7, 1871 in Harrison Co., IN 4. Henry Edward Bowers B: February 26, 1873 in Harrison Co., IN 5. Sarah R. "Sally" Bowers B: 1876 in Harrison Co., IN 6. Catherine "Katie" Bowers B: November 6, 1876 in Harrison Co., IN 7. Elizabeth G. "Bertie" Bowers B: March 1878 in Harrison Co., IN 8. Atta Grace "Attie" Bowers B: September 9, 1879 in Harrison Co., IN 9. Charles A. R. Bowers B: August 31, 1883 in Cassville, Barry County, MO Hope this help and find track to Lazarus' parents, siblings & John. My stone is on them. Happy Holidays! Carolyn -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 376 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

HI all, I am looking for Lazarus Francis Bowers' parents and siblings who lived in Germany. Also his older son John William Bowers buried in unknown place. Where was his death place? What was death date? I have recorded that Lazarus F. Bowers b @ 1844 in Germany. He immiagrated in USA in 1850 along with parents and others. I was told that parents were dead on a ship and others said that his mother in USA and others stated that he lived with his uncle. No trace! I have him in censuses: Death: September 1926 in Douglas County, MO Burial: Dogwood Cemetery, Lincoln Township, Douglas County, MO. He lived with his older son John William Bowers in 1910 in MO. Married Martha Ann Clark in Harrison County, IN in 1866. B: December 2, 1841 in VA. 9 known children: 1. John William Bowers B: September 1867 in Harrison County, IN 2. Mary Annabelle "Molly" Bowers B: January 9, 1869 in Harrison Co., IN 3. Cora Luby Bowers B: November 7, 1871 in Harrison Co., IN 4. Henry Edward Bowers B: February 26, 1873 in Harrison Co., IN 5. Sarah R. "Sally" Bowers B: 1876 in Harrison Co., IN 6. Catherine "Katie" Bowers B: November 6, 1876 in Harrison Co., IN 7. Elizabeth G. "Bertie" Bowers B: March 1878 in Harrison Co., IN 8. Atta Grace "Attie" Bowers B: September 9, 1879 in Harrison Co., IN 9. Charles A. R. Bowers B: August 31, 1883 in Cassville, Barry County, MO Hope this help and find track to Lazarus' parents, siblings & John. My stone is on them. Happy Holidays! Carolyn -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 376 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

-----Forwarded Message----- >From: Atpowelljr@aol.com >Sent: Oct 13, 2012 3:40 AM >To: bower@rootsweb.com >Cc: mitchell@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BOWER] Fwd: [BOWERS] Bowers Family Of Philadelphia > >HELLO CUZ, YA WANT A Long way Around. In the Later Half of 1800's My Great >Great grand Father Leroy Mirchell Died in Nelson County Va, His Second >Wife & Son & Daughter relocated from Vav to IOWA Enroute The Mitchels Met up >with A Bowers Famiky from South East Pa, IN About <IND> they Traveled on >to South West IOWA, Where When >PLEASE NOTE; For PETE BOWERS <AKA> West Chester-Philadelphia. PENN. Lets >Compare & Share OUR Family Connections< PLEASE SOME ONE Else MUST HAVE A >CLUE. CUZ A T _atpowelljr@aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com) >PLEASE REPLY,REMEMBER< <ASK &N ANSWER QUESTIONS SOME NOE KNOWS> CUZ AT >RICHMOND VIRGINIA > >The BOWER & Mitchell Children Grew up; One of the Bowers Boys & The >Mitchell Girl Got Married; ONE OF MY BOWERS COUSINS; Setked in IDAHO, One in CAL. >One in Texas one ig the State of GA. & Two of My Bowers Cousins Remained >in South west IOWA. > >OH HOW I hope that The Mitchell & BOWERS families can & Will put just a >BIT of Your Genealogical INJANUITY into Identifying OUR COUSIN-SHIP. A couple >of Names. Bernese Bowers & Leroy Bowers in IOWA. > >OH PLEASE, There Mustn be Some one that can Make connection > > >In a message dated 10/12/2012 7:23:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >ladyaudris@earthlink.net writes: > > > > >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: [BOWERS] Bowers Family Of Philadelphia >Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 19:16:09 -0400 >From: Peter Bowers <partspeter@frontiernet.net> >Reply-To: bowers@rootsweb.com >To: bowers@rootsweb.com > > > >Good evening All, >Does anyone on this list have any connections to the Bowers Family from the >West Chester or Philadelphia area of Pennsylvania? >Pete Bowers

I agree with Gary...not my family branches but I like that there is activity. My BOWER(S) came from Hesse Darmstadt in the mid 1800s and settled between PA (Russell) and Erie & Catt Counties in NY Marcy On 10/12/12, Gary Bowers<gdbowers@swbell.net> wrote: Not my family, but I appreciate any activity from this group. Gary Bowers -----Original Message----- From:[1]bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com[[2]mailto:bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of [3]LUJAMAKS@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:17 PM To: [4]bowers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph Not my Bowers family either. Mine comes from N.Y. ended up in Wisconsin. Lucie In a message dated 10/10/2012 1:57:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [5]dhinson@suddenlink.net writes: They are not my Bowers either, sad to say. But I have a question for Lena! Please post info on your line. My Bowers were also from North Carolina, then to TN and MS and some to TX! I'm in TX now. I will get out my info and post as well. This list has been to quiet for too long! On 10/10/2012 11:17 AM, [6]grc18lsc24@aol.com wrote: > Shelley, > How very wonderful of you. How I wish I could say they are my family > but am sure they are not. > My Bowers came from North Carolina to Mississippi and then to Texas. > I am going to forward your > letter to a descendant of my great-grandfather Bowers' brother. They > are from Iowa but she may > know of someone who might be a relative. > > Isn't it fun to find these old photographs and be able to send to > family or at least send them copies. > I did that recently and got so much satisfaction from it. Unfortunately, most of the photographs one > finds in antique shops, other are not identified. I am hoping > someone finds the old Bibles that my > aunt gave away to Goodwill or one of the thrift stores in Dallas. > > Thanks again for asking and I surely hope you find a relative of > these people and can return the > photograph to them. > > Lena Stone Criswell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shelley Cardiel <[7]cardiels@comcast.net> > To: BOWERS <[8]BOWERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:24 am > Subject: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph > > > I have "rescued" an old photograph of Roy, Bessie, Carolyn, and Roy BOWERS > Jr. taken at a Studio in Newark, Ohio. The photograph was likely > taken in > the early 1900's with the couple in their 20's or 30's and the > children infant to 4 years old. Someone indicates on the photograph > that Roy died and > Bessie remarried "Mr. ROSS" who was the father of Melissa ROSS. > > Based on limited research I was able to gather the following > information regarding this family: > > Roy Franklin BOWERS was b. 4 Aug 1883 in Newark, OH to parents > Benjamin BOWERS (1859-1910) and Anna ANDERSON (b. 1861). Roy married > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD (1883-1955). Their son Ray Franklin BOWERS Jr. > was b. 1910 and d. > 1952. Roy Sr. died 28 Apr 1914 in Newark, OH and is buried along with > the other family members in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in Newark, OH. > > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD b. 15 Jul 1883 was the daughter of Ezekiel > Francis WHITEHEAD (1860-1938) and Carrie Kate HOWARD (1863-1899). > After the death > of Bessie's first husband Roy, she married Edward A. ROSS (1878-1965). The > couple had a daughter, Melissa Bernice ROSS (1918-1972), she married > into the HULL Family. > > Carolyn Susanna BOWERS was b. 30 Aug 1906 in OH to Roy and Bessie. Carolyn > married Clarence Graham DAVIS (1900-1965 son of A. V. DAVIS and > Teresa > EMERY) on 8 Feb 1924 in Monroe, MI and together they had three > children including, Albert Franklin; Susanna Carolyn; and Billy > Graham DAVIS, all born between 1924 and 1928. > > Census records provide the following details: > > 1900 census of Newark, OH: > > Benjamin BOWERS, age 41, born Jan 1 1859, married 17 years, born MD, parents > born MD > Annie BOWERS, wife, age 38, born Sept 1861, married 17 years, 2 children/2 > living, born OH, parents born PA/OH > Roy BOWERS, son, age 16, born Aug 1883, born OH, a Day Laborer Ralph > BOWERS, son, age 13, born 1886, born OH, a Student > > 1910 census of Newark, OH: > > Roy F. BOWERS, age 25, married 5 years, born OH, parents born MD/OH, > a Stove > Molder > Bessie BOWERS, wife, age 25, married 5 years, 2 children/1 living, > born OH, > parents born OH > Carolyn BOWERS, dau, age 3, born OH > > 1920 census of Newark, OH: > > Edward ROSS, age 40, born OH, parents born OH, a Retail Dairy > Merchant Bessie ROSS, wife, age 35, born OH, parents born OH Charles > ROSS, son, age 14, born OH, parents born OH, a Milk Wagon Driver > Carolin ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH Iva ROSS, dau, > age 13, born OH, parents born OH Roy ROSS, son, age 9, born OH, > parents born OH Melissa ROSS, dau, age 1 year + 2 months, born OH, > parents born OH > > I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful > old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of > this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [9]BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - [11]www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: 10/10/12 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12]BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [13]BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [14]BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:LUJAMAKS@aol.com 4. mailto:bowers@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:dhinson@suddenlink.net 6. mailto:grc18lsc24@aol.com 7. mailto:cardiels@comcast.net 8. mailto:BOWERS@rootsweb.com 9. mailto:BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com 10. mailto:BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com 11. http://www.avg.com/ 12. mailto:BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com 13. mailto:BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com 14. mailto:BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com

Good evening All, Does anyone on this list have any connections to the Bowers Family from the West Chester or Philadelphia area of Pennsylvania? Pete Bowers

Not my family, but I appreciate any activity from this group. Gary Bowers -----Original Message----- From: bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bowers-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LUJAMAKS@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:17 PM To: bowers@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph Not my Bowers family either. Mine comes from N.Y. ended up in Wisconsin. Lucie In a message dated 10/10/2012 1:57:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dhinson@suddenlink.net writes: They are not my Bowers either, sad to say. But I have a question for Lena! Please post info on your line. My Bowers were also from North Carolina, then to TN and MS and some to TX! I'm in TX now. I will get out my info and post as well. This list has been to quiet for too long! On 10/10/2012 11:17 AM, grc18lsc24@aol.com wrote: > Shelley, > How very wonderful of you. How I wish I could say they are my family > but am sure they are not. > My Bowers came from North Carolina to Mississippi and then to Texas. > I am going to forward your > letter to a descendant of my great-grandfather Bowers' brother. They > are from Iowa but she may > know of someone who might be a relative. > > Isn't it fun to find these old photographs and be able to send to > family or at least send them copies. > I did that recently and got so much satisfaction from it. Unfortunately, most of the photographs one > finds in antique shops, other are not identified. I am hoping > someone finds the old Bibles that my > aunt gave away to Goodwill or one of the thrift stores in Dallas. > > Thanks again for asking and I surely hope you find a relative of > these people and can return the > photograph to them. > > Lena Stone Criswell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shelley Cardiel <cardiels@comcast.net> > To: BOWERS <BOWERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:24 am > Subject: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph > > > I have "rescued" an old photograph of Roy, Bessie, Carolyn, and Roy BOWERS > Jr. taken at a Studio in Newark, Ohio. The photograph was likely > taken in > the early 1900's with the couple in their 20's or 30's and the > children infant to 4 years old. Someone indicates on the photograph > that Roy died and > Bessie remarried "Mr. ROSS" who was the father of Melissa ROSS. > > Based on limited research I was able to gather the following > information regarding this family: > > Roy Franklin BOWERS was b. 4 Aug 1883 in Newark, OH to parents > Benjamin BOWERS (1859-1910) and Anna ANDERSON (b. 1861). Roy married > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD (1883-1955). Their son Ray Franklin BOWERS Jr. > was b. 1910 and d. > 1952. Roy Sr. died 28 Apr 1914 in Newark, OH and is buried along with > the other family members in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in Newark, OH. > > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD b. 15 Jul 1883 was the daughter of Ezekiel > Francis WHITEHEAD (1860-1938) and Carrie Kate HOWARD (1863-1899). > After the death > of Bessie's first husband Roy, she married Edward A. ROSS (1878-1965). The > couple had a daughter, Melissa Bernice ROSS (1918-1972), she married > into the HULL Family. > > Carolyn Susanna BOWERS was b. 30 Aug 1906 in OH to Roy and Bessie. Carolyn > married Clarence Graham DAVIS (1900-1965 son of A. V. DAVIS and > Teresa > EMERY) on 8 Feb 1924 in Monroe, MI and together they had three > children including, Albert Franklin; Susanna Carolyn; and Billy > Graham DAVIS, all born between 1924 and 1928. > > Census records provide the following details: > > 1900 census of Newark, OH: > > Benjamin BOWERS, age 41, born Jan 1 1859, married 17 years, born MD, parents > born MD > Annie BOWERS, wife, age 38, born Sept 1861, married 17 years, 2 children/2 > living, born OH, parents born PA/OH > Roy BOWERS, son, age 16, born Aug 1883, born OH, a Day Laborer Ralph > BOWERS, son, age 13, born 1886, born OH, a Student > > 1910 census of Newark, OH: > > Roy F. BOWERS, age 25, married 5 years, born OH, parents born MD/OH, > a Stove > Molder > Bessie BOWERS, wife, age 25, married 5 years, 2 children/1 living, > born OH, > parents born OH > Carolyn BOWERS, dau, age 3, born OH > > 1920 census of Newark, OH: > > Edward ROSS, age 40, born OH, parents born OH, a Retail Dairy > Merchant Bessie ROSS, wife, age 35, born OH, parents born OH Charles > ROSS, son, age 14, born OH, parents born OH, a Milk Wagon Driver > Carolin ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH Iva ROSS, dau, > age 13, born OH, parents born OH Roy ROSS, son, age 9, born OH, > parents born OH Melissa ROSS, dau, age 1 year + 2 months, born OH, > parents born OH > > I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful > old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of > this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: 10/10/12 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

sadly, not my Bowers family either. : ( ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelley Cardiel" <cardiels@comcast.net> To: <BOWERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:23 AM Subject: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph >I have "rescued" an old photograph of Roy, Bessie, Carolyn, and Roy BOWERS > Jr. taken at a Studio in Newark, Ohio. The photograph was likely taken in > the early 1900's with the couple in their 20's or 30's and the children > infant to 4 years old. Someone indicates on the photograph that Roy died > and > Bessie remarried "Mr. ROSS" who was the father of Melissa ROSS. > > Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information > regarding this family: > > Roy Franklin BOWERS was b. 4 Aug 1883 in Newark, OH to parents Benjamin > BOWERS (1859-1910) and Anna ANDERSON (b. 1861). Roy married Bessie Wirt > WHITEHEAD (1883-1955). Their son Ray Franklin BOWERS Jr. was b. 1910 and > d. > 1952. Roy Sr. died 28 Apr 1914 in Newark, OH and is buried along with the > other family members in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in Newark, OH. > > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD b. 15 Jul 1883 was the daughter of Ezekiel Francis > WHITEHEAD (1860-1938) and Carrie Kate HOWARD (1863-1899). After the death > of Bessie's first husband Roy, she married Edward A. ROSS (1878-1965). > The > couple had a daughter, Melissa Bernice ROSS (1918-1972), she married into > the HULL Family. > > Carolyn Susanna BOWERS was b. 30 Aug 1906 in OH to Roy and Bessie. > Carolyn > married Clarence Graham DAVIS (1900-1965 son of A. V. DAVIS and Teresa > EMERY) on 8 Feb 1924 in Monroe, MI and together they had three children > including, Albert Franklin; Susanna Carolyn; and Billy Graham DAVIS, all > born between 1924 and 1928. > > Census records provide the following details: > > 1900 census of Newark, OH: > > Benjamin BOWERS, age 41, born Jan 1 1859, married 17 years, born MD, > parents > born MD > Annie BOWERS, wife, age 38, born Sept 1861, married 17 years, 2 children/2 > living, born OH, parents born PA/OH > Roy BOWERS, son, age 16, born Aug 1883, born OH, a Day Laborer > Ralph BOWERS, son, age 13, born 1886, born OH, a Student > > 1910 census of Newark, OH: > > Roy F. BOWERS, age 25, married 5 years, born OH, parents born MD/OH, a > Stove > Molder > Bessie BOWERS, wife, age 25, married 5 years, 2 children/1 living, born > OH, > parents born OH > Carolyn BOWERS, dau, age 3, born OH > > 1920 census of Newark, OH: > > Edward ROSS, age 40, born OH, parents born OH, a Retail Dairy Merchant > Bessie ROSS, wife, age 35, born OH, parents born OH > Charles ROSS, son, age 14, born OH, parents born OH, a Milk Wagon Driver > Carolin ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH > Iva ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH > Roy ROSS, son, age 9, born OH, parents born OH > Melissa ROSS, dau, age 1 year + 2 months, born OH, parents born OH > > I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful old > photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this > family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5820 - Release Date: 10/09/12 >

Not my Bowers family either. Mine comes from N.Y. ended up in Wisconsin. Lucie In a message dated 10/10/2012 1:57:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dhinson@suddenlink.net writes: They are not my Bowers either, sad to say. But I have a question for Lena! Please post info on your line. My Bowers were also from North Carolina, then to TN and MS and some to TX! I'm in TX now. I will get out my info and post as well. This list has been to quiet for too long! On 10/10/2012 11:17 AM, grc18lsc24@aol.com wrote: > Shelley, > How very wonderful of you. How I wish I could say they are my family but am sure they are not. > My Bowers came from North Carolina to Mississippi and then to Texas. I am going to forward your > letter to a descendant of my great-grandfather Bowers' brother. They are from Iowa but she may > know of someone who might be a relative. > > Isn't it fun to find these old photographs and be able to send to family or at least send them copies. > I did that recently and got so much satisfaction from it. Unfortunately, most of the photographs one > finds in antique shops, other are not identified. I am hoping someone finds the old Bibles that my > aunt gave away to Goodwill or one of the thrift stores in Dallas. > > Thanks again for asking and I surely hope you find a relative of these people and can return the > photograph to them. > > Lena Stone Criswell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shelley Cardiel <cardiels@comcast.net> > To: BOWERS <BOWERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:24 am > Subject: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph > > > I have "rescued" an old photograph of Roy, Bessie, Carolyn, and Roy BOWERS > Jr. taken at a Studio in Newark, Ohio. The photograph was likely taken in > the early 1900's with the couple in their 20's or 30's and the children > infant to 4 years old. Someone indicates on the photograph that Roy died and > Bessie remarried "Mr. ROSS" who was the father of Melissa ROSS. > > Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information > regarding this family: > > Roy Franklin BOWERS was b. 4 Aug 1883 in Newark, OH to parents Benjamin > BOWERS (1859-1910) and Anna ANDERSON (b. 1861). Roy married Bessie Wirt > WHITEHEAD (1883-1955). Their son Ray Franklin BOWERS Jr. was b. 1910 and d. > 1952. Roy Sr. died 28 Apr 1914 in Newark, OH and is buried along with the > other family members in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in Newark, OH. > > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD b. 15 Jul 1883 was the daughter of Ezekiel Francis > WHITEHEAD (1860-1938) and Carrie Kate HOWARD (1863-1899). After the death > of Bessie's first husband Roy, she married Edward A. ROSS (1878-1965). The > couple had a daughter, Melissa Bernice ROSS (1918-1972), she married into > the HULL Family. > > Carolyn Susanna BOWERS was b. 30 Aug 1906 in OH to Roy and Bessie. Carolyn > married Clarence Graham DAVIS (1900-1965 son of A. V. DAVIS and Teresa > EMERY) on 8 Feb 1924 in Monroe, MI and together they had three children > including, Albert Franklin; Susanna Carolyn; and Billy Graham DAVIS, all > born between 1924 and 1928. > > Census records provide the following details: > > 1900 census of Newark, OH: > > Benjamin BOWERS, age 41, born Jan 1 1859, married 17 years, born MD, parents > born MD > Annie BOWERS, wife, age 38, born Sept 1861, married 17 years, 2 children/2 > living, born OH, parents born PA/OH > Roy BOWERS, son, age 16, born Aug 1883, born OH, a Day Laborer > Ralph BOWERS, son, age 13, born 1886, born OH, a Student > > 1910 census of Newark, OH: > > Roy F. BOWERS, age 25, married 5 years, born OH, parents born MD/OH, a Stove > Molder > Bessie BOWERS, wife, age 25, married 5 years, 2 children/1 living, born OH, > parents born OH > Carolyn BOWERS, dau, age 3, born OH > > 1920 census of Newark, OH: > > Edward ROSS, age 40, born OH, parents born OH, a Retail Dairy Merchant > Bessie ROSS, wife, age 35, born OH, parents born OH > Charles ROSS, son, age 14, born OH, parents born OH, a Milk Wagon Driver > Carolin ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH > Iva ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH > Roy ROSS, son, age 9, born OH, parents born OH > Melissa ROSS, dau, age 1 year + 2 months, born OH, parents born OH > > I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful old > photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this > family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: 10/10/12 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They are not my Bowers either, sad to say. But I have a question for Lena! Please post info on your line. My Bowers were also from North Carolina, then to TN and MS and some to TX! I'm in TX now. I will get out my info and post as well. This list has been to quiet for too long! On 10/10/2012 11:17 AM, grc18lsc24@aol.com wrote: > Shelley, > How very wonderful of you. How I wish I could say they are my family but am sure they are not. > My Bowers came from North Carolina to Mississippi and then to Texas. I am going to forward your > letter to a descendant of my great-grandfather Bowers' brother. They are from Iowa but she may > know of someone who might be a relative. > > Isn't it fun to find these old photographs and be able to send to family or at least send them copies. > I did that recently and got so much satisfaction from it. Unfortunately, most of the photographs one > finds in antique shops, other are not identified. I am hoping someone finds the old Bibles that my > aunt gave away to Goodwill or one of the thrift stores in Dallas. > > Thanks again for asking and I surely hope you find a relative of these people and can return the > photograph to them. > > Lena Stone Criswell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shelley Cardiel <cardiels@comcast.net> > To: BOWERS <BOWERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:24 am > Subject: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph > > > I have "rescued" an old photograph of Roy, Bessie, Carolyn, and Roy BOWERS > Jr. taken at a Studio in Newark, Ohio. The photograph was likely taken in > the early 1900's with the couple in their 20's or 30's and the children > infant to 4 years old. Someone indicates on the photograph that Roy died and > Bessie remarried "Mr. ROSS" who was the father of Melissa ROSS. > > Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information > regarding this family: > > Roy Franklin BOWERS was b. 4 Aug 1883 in Newark, OH to parents Benjamin > BOWERS (1859-1910) and Anna ANDERSON (b. 1861). Roy married Bessie Wirt > WHITEHEAD (1883-1955). Their son Ray Franklin BOWERS Jr. was b. 1910 and d. > 1952. Roy Sr. died 28 Apr 1914 in Newark, OH and is buried along with the > other family members in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in Newark, OH. > > Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD b. 15 Jul 1883 was the daughter of Ezekiel Francis > WHITEHEAD (1860-1938) and Carrie Kate HOWARD (1863-1899). After the death > of Bessie's first husband Roy, she married Edward A. ROSS (1878-1965). The > couple had a daughter, Melissa Bernice ROSS (1918-1972), she married into > the HULL Family. > > Carolyn Susanna BOWERS was b. 30 Aug 1906 in OH to Roy and Bessie. Carolyn > married Clarence Graham DAVIS (1900-1965 son of A. V. DAVIS and Teresa > EMERY) on 8 Feb 1924 in Monroe, MI and together they had three children > including, Albert Franklin; Susanna Carolyn; and Billy Graham DAVIS, all > born between 1924 and 1928. > > Census records provide the following details: > > 1900 census of Newark, OH: > > Benjamin BOWERS, age 41, born Jan 1 1859, married 17 years, born MD, parents > born MD > Annie BOWERS, wife, age 38, born Sept 1861, married 17 years, 2 children/2 > living, born OH, parents born PA/OH > Roy BOWERS, son, age 16, born Aug 1883, born OH, a Day Laborer > Ralph BOWERS, son, age 13, born 1886, born OH, a Student > > 1910 census of Newark, OH: > > Roy F. BOWERS, age 25, married 5 years, born OH, parents born MD/OH, a Stove > Molder > Bessie BOWERS, wife, age 25, married 5 years, 2 children/1 living, born OH, > parents born OH > Carolyn BOWERS, dau, age 3, born OH > > 1920 census of Newark, OH: > > Edward ROSS, age 40, born OH, parents born OH, a Retail Dairy Merchant > Bessie ROSS, wife, age 35, born OH, parents born OH > Charles ROSS, son, age 14, born OH, parents born OH, a Milk Wagon Driver > Carolin ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH > Iva ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH > Roy ROSS, son, age 9, born OH, parents born OH > Melissa ROSS, dau, age 1 year + 2 months, born OH, parents born OH > > I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful old > photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this > family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. > > Thanks, > Shelley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5322 - Release Date: 10/10/12 > >

Fyi i see old bibles on ebay & craigs list a lot... maybe something for others to keep a eye out for as well.

Do you know anything more abt Benjamin Bowers 1859-1910 and Anna Anderson b. 1861? They maybe the key to solving this puzzle... no doubt many members of the early Bowers from PA & NC headed to or through OH over the generations... If not get a hold of the bowers family homestead website & get some scans & what information you do have up there too, somebody will ferret it out.

Shelley, How very wonderful of you. How I wish I could say they are my family but am sure they are not. My Bowers came from North Carolina to Mississippi and then to Texas. I am going to forward your letter to a descendant of my great-grandfather Bowers' brother. They are from Iowa but she may know of someone who might be a relative. Isn't it fun to find these old photographs and be able to send to family or at least send them copies. I did that recently and got so much satisfaction from it. Unfortunately, most of the photographs one finds in antique shops, other are not identified. I am hoping someone finds the old Bibles that my aunt gave away to Goodwill or one of the thrift stores in Dallas. Thanks again for asking and I surely hope you find a relative of these people and can return the photograph to them. Lena Stone Criswell -----Original Message----- From: Shelley Cardiel <cardiels@comcast.net> To: BOWERS <BOWERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:24 am Subject: [BOWERS] BOWERS Family photograph I have "rescued" an old photograph of Roy, Bessie, Carolyn, and Roy BOWERS Jr. taken at a Studio in Newark, Ohio. The photograph was likely taken in the early 1900's with the couple in their 20's or 30's and the children infant to 4 years old. Someone indicates on the photograph that Roy died and Bessie remarried "Mr. ROSS" who was the father of Melissa ROSS. Based on limited research I was able to gather the following information regarding this family: Roy Franklin BOWERS was b. 4 Aug 1883 in Newark, OH to parents Benjamin BOWERS (1859-1910) and Anna ANDERSON (b. 1861). Roy married Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD (1883-1955). Their son Ray Franklin BOWERS Jr. was b. 1910 and d. 1952. Roy Sr. died 28 Apr 1914 in Newark, OH and is buried along with the other family members in the Cedar Hill Cemetery in Newark, OH. Bessie Wirt WHITEHEAD b. 15 Jul 1883 was the daughter of Ezekiel Francis WHITEHEAD (1860-1938) and Carrie Kate HOWARD (1863-1899). After the death of Bessie's first husband Roy, she married Edward A. ROSS (1878-1965). The couple had a daughter, Melissa Bernice ROSS (1918-1972), she married into the HULL Family. Carolyn Susanna BOWERS was b. 30 Aug 1906 in OH to Roy and Bessie. Carolyn married Clarence Graham DAVIS (1900-1965 son of A. V. DAVIS and Teresa EMERY) on 8 Feb 1924 in Monroe, MI and together they had three children including, Albert Franklin; Susanna Carolyn; and Billy Graham DAVIS, all born between 1924 and 1928. Census records provide the following details: 1900 census of Newark, OH: Benjamin BOWERS, age 41, born Jan 1 1859, married 17 years, born MD, parents born MD Annie BOWERS, wife, age 38, born Sept 1861, married 17 years, 2 children/2 living, born OH, parents born PA/OH Roy BOWERS, son, age 16, born Aug 1883, born OH, a Day Laborer Ralph BOWERS, son, age 13, born 1886, born OH, a Student 1910 census of Newark, OH: Roy F. BOWERS, age 25, married 5 years, born OH, parents born MD/OH, a Stove Molder Bessie BOWERS, wife, age 25, married 5 years, 2 children/1 living, born OH, parents born OH Carolyn BOWERS, dau, age 3, born OH 1920 census of Newark, OH: Edward ROSS, age 40, born OH, parents born OH, a Retail Dairy Merchant Bessie ROSS, wife, age 35, born OH, parents born OH Charles ROSS, son, age 14, born OH, parents born OH, a Milk Wagon Driver Carolin ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH Iva ROSS, dau, age 13, born OH, parents born OH Roy ROSS, son, age 9, born OH, parents born OH Melissa ROSS, dau, age 1 year + 2 months, born OH, parents born OH I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOWERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message