We've gone a bit off the family research here ... but hey its Christmas .... So here's is Granny Bowers Bread Pudding Recipe !:) 225g (8oz) white bread, preferably stale 300ml (1/2 pint) milk 100g (4oz) currants, sultanas or stoned raisins 50g (2oz) mixed peel, chopped very finely 50g (2oz) shredded suet 50g (2oz) Demerara sugar 5-10ml (1-2 level tsps) ground mixed spice 1 egg, beaten a little milk to mix nutmeg (optional) Butter a 900ml (1 1/2 pt) pie dish. Remove the crusts from the bread and break the crumb into small pieces, pour the 300ml milk over it and leave to soak for 1/2 hour, the beat out the lumps. Add the cleaned dried fruit, the peel, suet, sugar and spice and mix well. Add the egg, with a little extra milk if required to make the mixture of a dropping consistency. Pour it into the pie disk, grate a little nutmeg over if you wish and bake in the over at 180 degrees C (350 F) gas mark 4 for about 1 1/2 - 2 hours. Dredge with sugar before serving. The peel may be replaced by an extra 50g (2oz) dried fruit if you prefer. I don't know how to convert the weights I'm afraid - I still work in ounces - and I really don't know anything about cups and such stuff. Does anyone know how many oz to the cup? I hope you enjoy your bread pudding, but I like bread and butter pudding better ... but that's another recipe. Jak -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hinson [mailto:dhinson@kellnet.com] Sent: 14 December 2000 15:06 To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWER] Chat: English Desserts While we were visiting in Chester, England, we went to a delightful restaurant called Ogiers and had the best bread pudding I've ever eaten. It was served with warm cream poured over top. Does anyone in England have a recipe for this treat? ______________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Donna Hinson [mailto:dhinson@kellnet.com] Sent: 14 December 2000 15:06 To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWER] Chat: English Desserts While we were visiting in Chester, England, we went to a delightful restaurant called Ogiers and had the best bread pudding I've ever eaten. It was served with warm cream poured over top. Does anyone in England have a recipe for this treat? ______________________________

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This may not be bread pudding but it is a very happy Cake maker. A handy recipe to take your mind off all that Christmas shopping! For all you home bakers out there............ Just to get you into the spirit here's a chrissy cake to make . . Christmas cake recipe!! Ingredients: 1 cup of water 1 tsp baking soda, 1 tsp salt 1 cup of sugar, 1 cup of brown sugar lemon juice, nuts 4 large eggs 2 cups of dried fruit 1 bottle Vodka Sample the vodka to check quality. Take a large bowl,check the vodka again. To be sure it is the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink. Repeat. Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl. Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again. At this point it's best to make sure the vodka is shtill OK. Try another cup .... just in case Turn off the mixerer. Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit. Pick fruit off floor. Mix on the turner. If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers pry it loose with screwscriver. Sample the vodka to check for tonsisticity. Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something. Who giveshz a hit. Check the vodka. Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts. Add one table. Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find. Greash the oven and chuck in the fridge. Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over. Don't forget to beat off the turner. Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the vodka and kick the cat. Fall into bed. Jenloubow@aol.com wrote: > > love bread pudding........would love to have a recipe also > > Jen > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > settings through their servers and will only return them to you.

i think i have made that cake many times!!! kjbowers

that gave me a laugh! Thanks!!! Merry Christmas! Jen

While we were visiting in Chester, England, we went to a delightful restaurant called Ogiers and had the best bread pudding I've ever eaten. It was served with warm cream poured over top. Does anyone in England have a recipe for this treat?

Jak. Boxing Day is a very special day, My Birthday, and yes I have always had two presents Christmas and Birthday. Merry Christmas to all. Jack.in Bournemouth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jak Daniels" <Jak@daniels.flexnet.co.uk> To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 12:56 PM Subject: [BOWER] RE: Boxing Day > When I was a child, I was told that > it was Boxing Day because the gnetry in England boxed food and > supplies to give to their tenants and the poor. > Any of our English cousins want to correct me if I'm wrong? > > I totally agree with Dixie on this one, I always thought it was called > Boxing Day because the gentry gave away their leftover food from their > Christmas meal and money to their servants and it was given in boxes. I'm > not 100% sure about the next bit, but, we have the term here 'receiving a > Christmas Box', which basically means that your boss/company you work for > give you a bonus and it is know as 'A Christmas Box'. > It's a public holiday here - yeppie. When I was a child I asked my dad what > Boxing Day was for and he told me it was a special day where everyone had > the chance to kiss and make up after having an argument on Christmas Day > ..... and I believed him! But then again my Mother had the same sense of > humour when I asked her why we had Christmas on that day, and I was told > that Winter is so miserable that we had to have a day to look forward to or > we'd all go mad with the cold, wet and snow. No wonder I've turned out how > I have! :) > Ron mentioned Christmas Pudding and Brandy Butter (or it could have been > custard) ... its yummy. Ron if you would like me to send one over to you, > it would be my pleasure to do so. > Regards > Jak Daniels - England. > No relation to the 'Jack Daniel' and I've heard all the jokes, and no my > parents didn't do it on purpose. > > > > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Bower Cottage, sister site to the Bower Family Homestead, homesites of > the Bower research group -- http://bowercommunity.com/cottage > >

When I was a child, I was told that it was Boxing Day because the gnetry in England boxed food and supplies to give to their tenants and the poor. Any of our English cousins want to correct me if I'm wrong? I totally agree with Dixie on this one, I always thought it was called Boxing Day because the gentry gave away their leftover food from their Christmas meal and money to their servants and it was given in boxes. I'm not 100% sure about the next bit, but, we have the term here 'receiving a Christmas Box', which basically means that your boss/company you work for give you a bonus and it is know as 'A Christmas Box'. It's a public holiday here - yeppie. When I was a child I asked my dad what Boxing Day was for and he told me it was a special day where everyone had the chance to kiss and make up after having an argument on Christmas Day ..... and I believed him! But then again my Mother had the same sense of humour when I asked her why we had Christmas on that day, and I was told that Winter is so miserable that we had to have a day to look forward to or we'd all go mad with the cold, wet and snow. No wonder I've turned out how I have! :) Ron mentioned Christmas Pudding and Brandy Butter (or it could have been custard) ... its yummy. Ron if you would like me to send one over to you, it would be my pleasure to do so. Regards Jak Daniels - England. No relation to the 'Jack Daniel' and I've heard all the jokes, and no my parents didn't do it on purpose.

love bread pudding........would love to have a recipe also Jen

Thanks anyway Jack. Regards. Macha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Graham" <jack@mathieson69.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [BOWER] Interests > Hi Macha, Thanks for your mail, My Bower's are all in Dorset, the earliest > being Matthew 1595, all > Stonemasons. > Regards > Jack. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "macha" <macha@waihekeisland.net.nz> > To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [BOWER] Interests > > > > Hi Jack - my BOWERS are in the Norfolk/Suffolk border area of England back > > to the early 1800s. > > > > Do you have a connection earlier than your Dorset branch? > > > > Regards. Macha in NZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jack Graham" <jack@mathieson69.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:44 AM > > Subject: [BOWER] Interests > > > > > > > Hi. List, > > > > > > My first visit to the list, I am researching BOWER family in Dorset, UK, > > > mainly in the Corfe, Kingston, > > > Langton Matravers and Worth Matravers areas > > > > > > I can do look ups in the 1881 Census and the PR's for Worth Matravers > and > > > Langton Matravers, Baptism's > > > Marriages and Burials. (off list) > > > > > > Regards Jack. > > > > > > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > > > The Bower Family Homestead, homesite of the Bower mailing list -- > > > http://bowercommunity.com/homestead > > > > > > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > > settings through their servers and will only return them to you. > > > > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Bower Cottage, sister site to the Bower Family Homestead, homesites of > the Bower research group -- http://bowercommunity.com/cottage >

Can't resist (being Canadian of English/Scots background) a comment on Ron's Boxing Day explanation. When I was a child, I was told that it was Boxing Day because the gnetry in England boxed food and supplies to give to their tenants and the poor. Any of our English cousins want to correct me if I'm wrong? Best from Canada Dixie Bower Cutler >Boxing Day in Canada: (Cont.) > >I forgot to mention that Canadian "Boxing Day" is the day after Christmas, >December 26th, and is an official, legal Canadian holiday. I understand, if I >remember correctly, it (Boxing Day) was originally for finalizing >Christmastime, >boxing gifts, storing and cleaning things up, etc. However, a close Canadian >friend and former co-worker who lives in Edmonton, Alberta, told me >he remembers >it as having evolved into a large shopping spree day where people >went to stores >and bought various "boxes" of things at greatly reduced, >after-Christmas prices, >like here in the states. (Side note: Western Canada and Eastern Canada are >somewhat different culturally, Western Canada being more progressive in many >ways, but more politically conservative; whereas, Eastern Canada being more >old-time traditional, albeit more liberal politically.) > >Ron Myers > > > >==== BOWER Mailing List ==== >To post messages to the Bower discussion list, send them to > BOWER-L@rootsweb.com

Yes and speaking for the Canadian cousins as I am one.......The dividing line for East and West still is being debated and probably will be debated until the earth dies. Eternity? Boxing day started out as the day where when travelling was done. That everything for the family visited was packed into on Box, So if you visited Five families be relatives or the poor you carried five boxes full of food and toys. At least that is what I got from stories from my Grandmother. It was the day for charity work. vicky Ron Myers wrote: > > Boxing Day in Canada: (Cont.) > > I forgot to mention that Canadian "Boxing Day" is the day after Christmas, > December 26th, and is an official, legal Canadian holiday. I understand, if I > remember correctly, it (Boxing Day) was originally for finalizing Christmastime, > boxing gifts, storing and cleaning things up, etc. However, a close Canadian > friend and former co-worker who lives in Edmonton, Alberta, told me he remembers > it as having evolved into a large shopping spree day where people went to stores > and bought various "boxes" of things at greatly reduced, after-Christmas prices, > like here in the states. (Side note: Western Canada and Eastern Canada are > somewhat different culturally, Western Canada being more progressive in many > ways, but more politically conservative; whereas, Eastern Canada being more > old-time traditional, albeit more liberal politically.) > > Ron Myers > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Bower discussion list, send them to > BOWER-L@rootsweb.com

List, History of Boxing day can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7214/boxing.htm This clears it up a bit better for us US Americans who aren't in the know. (Will be my last post on Boxing Day) Ron Myers wrote: > Boxing Day in Canada: (Cont.) > I forgot to mention that Canadian "Boxing Day" is the day after Christmas, > December 26th, and is an official, legal Canadian holiday. I understand, if I

Boxing Day in Canada: (Cont.) I forgot to mention that Canadian "Boxing Day" is the day after Christmas, December 26th, and is an official, legal Canadian holiday. I understand, if I remember correctly, it (Boxing Day) was originally for finalizing Christmastime, boxing gifts, storing and cleaning things up, etc. However, a close Canadian friend and former co-worker who lives in Edmonton, Alberta, told me he remembers it as having evolved into a large shopping spree day where people went to stores and bought various "boxes" of things at greatly reduced, after-Christmas prices, like here in the states. (Side note: Western Canada and Eastern Canada are somewhat different culturally, Western Canada being more progressive in many ways, but more politically conservative; whereas, Eastern Canada being more old-time traditional, albeit more liberal politically.) Ron Myers

Dear Colleen and List, Colleen Pustola wrote: > 2. Christmas around the world Merry Christmas to one and all! I have a few things to add about various Christmas celebrations around the world. Canada: Concerning celebration of Christmas around the world being different, I noted that Jak D, mentioned "Boxing Day" in England/GB. When my wife and I lived in the Owen Sound vicinity of Ontario, Canada for two years (150 miles north of Toronto), we experienced Boxing Day there as well, which was a new experience for us. Our local friends and acquaintances there were mainly of Scottish/English heritage. All in all, I enjoyed their Christmas celebrations very much, seeing that they celebrated a lot around the table, much more than we do here in the US: food, more food, deserts, more deserts! The deserts were simply indescribably scrumptious. Surprisingly, to us US Americans, they brought out course after course of various deserts -- cakes pies, ice creams, puddings, tarts (new for me too), and finally for the grand finale, steamed plum pudding. This was in the form of a huge mound, like an inverted bowl, and had the consistency of a moist, steamy-hot ginger-bread cake (but better) with a sweet, sauce-like, drippy glaze poured over the top. Oh my, I can taste it all now!! SE Asia: Most Asian Christians that I am aware of, celebrate Christmas more towards new years, which is an important date in their respective cultures. In fact their own original New Years are celebrated well into the new year. As far as non-Christians (Mostly Buddhists), the pressures of Western culture and influence of business and marketing (money making) have been brought to bear consequently Santa Claus and present giving can be found through-out most major cities, but not up-country. Thailand My wife and I lived and worked in Thailand since 1973 (physical presence 16 years). Thailand is especially interesting because of their beloved King Phumiphol Adunyadej's birthday being celebrated on December 5th. It is so deceptively reminiscent of Christmas (but is not ...) since it is celebrated widely with Christmas-type colored lights and tinsel-type decorations hung over roadways, on street lamp posts and on buildings of major cities. This makes the foreigners feel at home, giving a Christmas flavor; however, the Birthday of the King of Kings passes by without much notice, except for among the relatively few Christians there, of course. Then it's on to New Years, both Western and Chinese styles, where the local participants exchange gifts, participants usually being those of the upper or high-middle business, civil servant, and/or aristocratic classes. Best Regards, Ron Myers San Diego

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one with piles of paper. I think the piles grow faster than I can get them organized...if I'm ever reincarnated, I am hoping for a world without paper! Who said computers were suppose to do away with so much paper?! Jak Daniels wrote: > So as to not confuse you, I'm a different Jak to the person you wrote you > e-mail to, but I thought that I would join in as well. > > I have Bowers in Barnham, Suffolk. And I have found someone else on a > different line of my tree (Hammond) who also has Bowers in Cambridge. If > you let me know some names and dates I'll have a look to see if I have > anything that may be of interest to you in the piles of papers that I have > here. (One day I WILL get around to filing them in some sort of order :)) > > Regards > > Jak Daniels >

Cheerio, and all that rot! I think I prefer the American tradition of snow and presents! Barbara Bower -----Original Message----- From: Jak Daniels [mailto:Jak@daniels.flexnet.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:37 PM To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWER] Chat: English Traditions Hi Colleen and fellow cousins. I read with interest the different kinds of Christmas traditions within the Sunday Coffee. The one for England made me go - What? We don't do that. I thought that I would share some of the traditions that we do have .... Or is it just my family. Christmas Eve is reserved for going down the pub, this usually involved drinking ye olde traditional Vodka in vast amounts before deciding that perhaps it wasn't a good idea after all and you feel ill. Because the landlord has arranged a lock in after closing time, it is sometimes necessary to hide in the cellar, or under the pool table (given the drunken state you may be in and can't manage the stairs) as the boys in blue knock at the door. This causes a kinda hush to creep over the pub and reminds us that it's Christmas Day. Hurray! Christmas Day consists of moaning because you have a hangover and there are very excited children ripping open the parcels that Father Christmas left (what a shame he forgot to include the batteries - oops) and screaming, and jumping around, and ... oh... my head. Now you have to cook a turkey, which you forgot to get out of the freezer the pervious day and it will take 7 hours to defrost and a further 4 hours to cook. So .... You give up and go down the pub to have a Christmas drink with your mates (the hair of the dog and all that ... ) You arrive and everyone is wearing their new jumpers (from Marks & Spencer's of course) and having a jolly old time. When you arrive back home around 2pm the turkey is still rock solid and you know that its not going to be thawed out until at least Boxing Day even if you do use a blow torch on it, so you give up and give everyone baked beans on toast, which is eaten while watching the Queens speech and then the James Bond film. The in-laws arrive and you end up having an argument about the dinner, because SHE would never forget to defrost it. You play a game of Monopoly, Trivial Pursuit, Pictionary, or if all fails get the cards out. But this was a bad move ... the arguments are just waiting to happen. So basically you end up with a hangover, a jumper that you've got to take back to the shop, a turkey that will never cook, your mother-in-law tut-tuting, discussing who is the best James Bond (Sean Connery), having beans on toast and playing board games that anyone in their right mind would normally not go near any other time of the year, and everyone's not talking to each other! This is my usual Christmas .... no wonder I really don't like Christmas. Roll on January 1st. Merry Christmas everyone..... thank heavens its only once a year! Jak Daniels PS: We're having a Goose this year, fresh from the butchers ... I just know that its going to be something wrong with it, I just know. I've got in extra cans of baked beans just in case! :) ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== The Bower Family Homestead, homesite of the Bower mailing list -- http://bowercommunity.com/homestead

Hi Jack, At last there is someone researching Bowers from the same area as mine. My Bowers come from the Langton Matravers area. Other names I am researching in the same general area include Burt, Woodrow, Cole, Sanders,and Shott. The following is what I have on my Bower forbears. I hope some of it rings a bell. Robert Bower was born C 1794 in Dorsetshire. He appears to have been still alive in 1851 as his name appears in the 1851 census. He married Sarah Smith on 11th April 1814 at Langton Matravers. Sarah appears to have died prior to 1851 as she doesn’t appear in the 1851 census. Robert and Sarah’s children were: Robert Charles Bower, bap: 2nd Aug 1836, Swanage. Harriet Bower, bap: 11th Nov 1832, Langton Matravers. Titus Bower, bap:19th June 1814, Langton Matravers. Mary Ann Bower, bap:27th July 1817, Langton Matravers. Jane Bower, bap:5th May 1822, Langton Matravers. Louisa Bower, bap:4th Sept. 1825, Langton Matravers George Smith Bower, Born:17th Feb 1820, Langton Matravers; bap:26th March 1820, Langton Matravers George Smith Bower married Louisa Woodrow on 28th May 1844 in Swanage Their children were: Elizabeth Bower, born: About 1844 George Bower, born: about 1846, Herston Maria Bower, born:1849/50, Herston Walter Bower, born:1850/55; d:before 1858 Louisa Bower, born:about 1855, Herston Walter Bower, born:about 1858 Frederick Bower, born:about 1861 Nathaniel Bower, born:about 1863, Collingwood, Melbourne, Australia Alfred Bower, born:about 1860, Victoria, Australia. George Bower (born 1846) married Elizabeth Ann Luty (who was born in Leeds, Yorkshire) on 18th June 1866 in Melbourne. Their daughter Louisa married a William Burt . I have excerpts from the 1851 census for the Swanage area and also for the 1841 census. I would appreciate any help I could get locating records such as probates for my family. Regards, Andrea Fitzgerald. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Graham [mailto:jack@mathieson69.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2000 11:44 To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWER] Interests Hi. List, My first visit to the list, I am researching BOWER family in Dorset, UK, mainly in the Corfe, Kingston, Langton Matravers and Worth Matravers areas I can do look ups in the 1881 Census and the PR's for Worth Matravers and Langton Matravers, Baptism's Marriages and Burials. (off list) Regards Jack. ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== The Bower Family Homestead, homesite of the Bower mailing list -- http://bowercommunity.com/homestead

>Hi all -- having a) had English ancestors (some immediate) and b) >been to England -- twice -- and c) having a current English >son-in-law, I cannot resist a reply. (see * below) >I read with interest the different kinds of Christmas traditions within the >Sunday Coffee. The one for England made me go - What? We don't do that. I >thought that I would share some of the traditions that we do have .... Or >is it just my family. * One is always reading someone else's version of one's national traditions. They are rarely true -- at least for oneself. What it does do is open one's mind. I once read in a cook book that a "Boiled Canadian Dinner" is traditional in my country (Hey, sorry, not in MY family! But it did make me wonder if there is something really Canadian that I had missed.) > >Christmas Eve is reserved for going down the pub, this usually involved >drinking ye olde traditional Vodka in vast amounts before deciding that >perhaps it wasn't a good idea after all and you feel ill. To each his own -- in Canada, we are more likely to go for Rye Whiskey, rum, or -- if we have some class -- Scotch -- most of us being at least half Scottish at source anyhow!) > Because the >landlord has arranged a lock in after closing time, it is sometimes >necessary to hide in the cellar, or under the pool table (given the drunken >state you may be in and can't manage the stairs) as the boys in blue knock >at the door. This causes a kinda hush to creep over the pub and reminds us >that it's Christmas Day. Hurray! * Whatever works is fine. > >Christmas Day consists of moaning because you have a hangover and there are >very excited children ripping open the parcels that Father Christmas left >(what a shame he forgot to include the batteries - oops) and screaming, and >jumping around, and ... oh... my head. * Now you are starting to sound much like my London-born grandfather! >Now you have to cook a turkey, >which you forgot to get out of the freezer the pervious day and it will take >7 hours to defrost and a further 4 hours to cook. So .... You give up and >go down the pub to have a Christmas drink with your mates (the hair of the >dog and all that ... ) You arrive and everyone is wearing their new jumpers * Being a Canadian of English descent, at least I know what jumper is! >(from Marks & Spencer's of course) and having a jolly old time. >When you arrive back home around 2pm the turkey is still rock solid and you >know that its not going to be thawed out until at least Boxing Day * Warning: Our American cousins may be bamboozled by "Boxing Day." >even if >you do use a blow torch on it, so you give up and give everyone baked beans >on toast, which is eaten while watching the Queens speech * Never miss it (and never remembered what she said 20 minutes later). >and then the James >Bond film. The in-laws arrive and you end up having an argument about the >dinner, because SHE would never forget to defrost it. You play a game of >Monopoly, Trivial Pursuit, Pictionary, or if all fails get the cards out. >But this was a bad move ... the arguments are just waiting to happen. * Best reason to avoid family dinners except at Christmas (that gives you one full year to get over it and try the same madness again). > >So basically you end up with a hangover, a jumper that you've got to take >back to the shop, a turkey that will never cook, your mother-in-law >tut-tuting, discussing who is the best James Bond (Sean Connery), * No contest! > having >beans on toast and playing board games that anyone in their right mind would >normally not go near any other time of the year, and everyone's not talking >to each other! > >This is my usual Christmas .... no wonder I really don't like Christmas. > >Roll on January 1st. > >Merry Christmas everyone..... thank heavens its only once a year! > >Jak Daniels * Hah -- it had to be you, Jak! Best and -- Merry Christmas anyway Dixie Bower Cutler > >PS: We're having a Goose this year, fresh from the butchers ... I just know >that its going to be something wrong with it, I just know. I've got in >extra cans of baked beans just in case! :) > > > > >==== BOWER Mailing List ==== >The Bower Family Homestead, homesite of the Bower mailing list -- > http://bowercommunity.com/homestead

In a message dated 12/12/2000 22:45:14 GMT Standard Time, BOWER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I read with interest the different kinds of Christmas traditions within the Sunday Coffee. The one for England made me go - What? We don't do that. I thought that I would share some of the traditions that we do have .... Or is it just my family. >> Hi Jak Sounds familiar to me except we put the turkey in the oven before we go out. Have a stop on at the pub and most likely pile into someones house on the way home. This is usually for more drinks as we haven't had enough in the pub. Get home about 4 am wake the daughter up ( she is not impressed as she works Christmas day) and open some presents. This is from my family we always opened one at midnight then went to bed. Sometime around 6 am fall into bed and wake up to an awful smell off burning. Oh no not again we forgot to turn the oven off. So then it is out with the begging bowl round the neighbours saying she's done it again and most times get more meat than we had on the origional turkey. Regards Phil Roderick in Wales