Jak, I'm going to the grocery today and will look for custard powder and see what they have and let you know. Thanks for the recipe...I thought there would be lots on the list who would want to try it! Donna

I've decided to send the recipe to the whole list - everyone seems to want a copy of it - so here it is. Plus I missed out an important ingrediant when I sent it out - I forgot the milk ! Opps. No wonder I can't cook! Bread & Butter Pudding 3-4 thin slices of bread and butter 50g (2oz) currants or sultanas (raisins are fine, but soak them in water for about 1/2 an hour to make them plump) 15ml (2 tablespoons) caster sugar (normal sugar is fine - we use caster sugar in baking that's all) 3/4 pint of milk 2 eggs ground nutmeg Cut the bread and butter into strips and arrange, buttered side up, in layers in a greased ovenproof dish. Sprinkling the layers with the fruit and sugar. Heat the milk, but do not allow it to boil. Whisk the eggs lightly and pour the milk on to them, stiring all the time. Strain the mixture over the bread, sprinkle some nutmeg on top and let the pudding stand for 1/2 hour. Bake in the oven at 180 C (150 C) or gas mark 4 for 30-40 minutes, until set and lightly browned. Eat while hot with lashing of hot creamy custard. Comfort food or what :)! If anyone would like some Custard Powder, please let me know and I'll post a packet of it to you. Regards and happy eating Jak

----- Original Message ----- From: "jgmott" <jgmott@wcoil.com> To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:31 PM Subject: [BOWER] CHAT-THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE > THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE: > > 1) You believe in Santa Claus. > 2) You don't believe in Santa Claus. > 3) You are Santa Claus. > 4) You look like Santa Claus. > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. > >

Jax, I would like to have a copy of the B&B pudding. Dianne BOWERS-Turner

I'd like the recipe Thanks, Ardyth Jak Daniels wrote: > A Recipe has been translated in to American (and believe me and Donna it > took some time!) > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll e-mail. > > Jak > > PS: Hey you've got a new President at last. > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>.

Yes, I would like it... Lynda Boone boon@oregontrail.net Thank you very much for doing that for us. Lynda > A Recipe has been translated in to American (and believe me and Donna it > took some time!) > > If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll e-mail. > > Jak > > PS: Hey you've got a new President at last. > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. >

A Recipe has been translated in to American (and believe me and Donna it took some time!) If anyone would like a copy let me know and I'll e-mail. Jak PS: Hey you've got a new President at last.

) ( ) Good Morning Family! .-.,--^--. ( Come on in. . . \\|`----'| - The coffee pot's on. . . \| |// ...and we even have decaf, | |/ tea, and hot chocolate! \ / ------ Today's topics include: 1. Welcome to new cousins 2. 19th Century Christmases in America: 1840-1900 3. Christmas potpourri If you've been with the family for at least three weeks, you'll probably want to skip the following paragraph… TO OUR NEWEST COUSINS ~~ On behalf of the entire family, I'd like to extend a most hearty welcome to those cousins who came into the family fold this past week. We are very glad to have you with us and hope you'll stay and remain a part of our online family. As soon as you're comfortable with us and the list, please send in your Bower[s]/Bauer or Baur lines so we can all see how we're related to you. We do not have a fancy format for sending in records or queries to the list. Post as many as you wish! If the data has anything to do with Bower[s]/Bauer or Baur ancestors or any of the 81+ variant spellings we research that might help someone, please feel free to post it. Every scrap of information is appreciated. If you haven't visited the homesite of this list yet, you are encouraged to do so. Our home is Bower Community, located at <http://bowercommunity.com>. There, we currently have two sites: The Bower Family Homestead [a.k.a., the Homestead] is our primary homesite and the gathering place for much of our information. It waits to join us all in welcoming you into the family at <http://bowercommunity.com/homestead>. Smaller and just opened this year, our sister site, the Bower Cottage, houses most of our projects including an online GEDCOM fed by quite a few cousins from our lists. The Cottage is still small as far as material goes, however give us time and we'll have it filled really soon. The Cottage is at <http://bowercommunity.com/cottage>. 19th CENTURY CHRISTMASES IN AMERICA: 1840-1900 We all try to put "flesh" to our ancestors. Adding touches to the holidays during their lives is certainly no exception. Following are a few facts about Christmas, decade by decade, from from 1840 to 1900. **1840** Christmas in America during these middle years of the 19th century was a religious holiday that was celebrated privately and with little merriment. The tradition of a Christmas tree began quietly in America. A few German families in Pennsylvania are known to have decorated trees as early as 1820, but decorating evergreens was an unusual custom in this country well into the 19th century. The custom of tree decorating quickly caught on thanks to England's new queen, Victoria, who authorized the publication of an engraving of her Christmas tree in Godey's Lady's Book, a popular magazine of the day. Most Americans then did not have their own trees in the 1840s, but enjoyed trees decorated by and for the community. Trees of this time period were adorned with apples, gilded and natural fruits and nuts, cookies, strings of popcorn popcorn and cranberries, as well as homemade paper items, candles, cornucopias, and presents. It was during this decade that the first commercially produced Christmas decorations appeared. In 1848, the first glass ornament, a kugel, appeared in Germany. The kugel was a large hollow ball ranging in size from 1 inch to 18 inches. Smaller ones were used for tree decorations. The blown, molded, figural glass ornaments that we are familiar with today evolved from the tradition of blowing kugels. These ornaments were not sold in America until 1880. **1850** Slavery divided the nation and there was little peace north or south in the 1850s. During the 1850s Christmas first began to emerge as a national holiday of religious and cultural celebration. Businesses closed to observe the day and decorated Christmas trees became a fashionable trend. The commercial Christmas tree trade supposedly began in December, 1851 when a woodsman living in New York cut down evergreens around his home and took them by sled into the city to sell. The trees sold quickly and he was amazed at the amount of money he made selling them. In the 1850s the most common decorations were edible: gilded fruits and nuts, strings of popcorn and cranberries and molded pastry confections. Marzipan ornaments were a popular almond paste confection molded into the shapes of fruits, vegetables, and animals and then hung on trees. These edible decorations were fastened to the tree with ribbons and people could then sample delicacies from the tree, thus ensuring there were considerably less ornaments when it was time to take it down than when it was first erected. Candles lit the trees, but they were very difficult to wire to the branches. The candle had to be carefully placed so as not to come into contact with branches or ornaments. No tree was without a bucket or water by its side and lit trees were never left unattended. At this time wax was very expensive, so often times lamps were fashioned from nut shell halves filled with oil and a wick. The more elegant lamps were hanging glass in many colors. **1860** The nation was torn about by civil war, but the customs of Christmas during the 1860s focused on family togetherness and brotherly love. The tradition of homes having a Christmas tree flourished during this decade. The full-sized decorated tree became something of a status symbol. In 1860, Godey's Lady's Book described the best trees as being decorated with strings of red holly berries, candles attached with wires, small bouquets of paper flowers, strings of beads, tiny flags of gay ribbons, stars and shields of gilt paper, lace bags filled with colored candies, and presents. Housewives were encouraged to keep the spirit of Christmas alive and decorate a tree. Decorations began to change. By the end of the decade, thin glass figurals such as birds, pine cones, and icicles appeared. The new candle holder, called a counterbalance candle holder, had a weight attached to the bottom that kept the candle standing upright. Yet even with these improvements, Christmas trees were fire hazards and it was still necessary to keep a bucket of water by the tree and a person to keep watch over the possible fire. **1870** By 1870, rigid puritanical attitudes towards Christmas had softened, and Americans embraced the holiday as a permanent cultural tradition in this country. On June 26, 1870, for the first time in its history, the United States Congress declared Christmas a federal holiday. As early as 1870, American businesses began to import large quantities of tree ornaments from Europe and sold them on street corners, in toy stores, and variety stores. Tin ornaments, wax angels, cornucopias, tinsel, glass beads and balls were all popular decorations for the tree. Tinsel was first used on trees in the 1870s and combined with glass ornaments, reflected light in a time when there were no electric lights. Tinsel was made in strips from a combination of wire and foil, which was then snipped to produce crinkled strands and used as garland. In 1871 the first American-made glass ornaments were produced. Glass balls, strings of glass beads, and glass fruit ornaments were very popular and produced in large quantities. However, the average tree was still decorated with ornaments made of paper, metal, wax, and wood decorations. Magazines began carrying patterns for making ornaments from scraps - extremely popular until World War I. In 1876, the first patented metal tree stand was manufactured in the United States. Prior to the 1870s, trees had been placed in crocks, wooden boxes and crates, and as a result, many trees fell over. Though still highly flammable, at least now they were stable. **1880** The 1880s was the "gilded age." Americans embellished their Christmas celebrations with additional customs and traditions. Tree decorating, gift giving, caroling, and baking became prominent activities for what had become an American national holiday. Invention of the electric light added a new dimension to the American Christmas during the decade. In 1882, an inventor working for Thomas Edison devised a way of wrapping small electric lights in red, white, and blue crepe paper. These colored lights were strung on a Christmas tree giving us the earliest version of contemporary Christmas lights. Tree lights were experimental throughout the 1880s. President Grover Cleveland used electric lights on the White House Christmas tree, but these special light bulbs were much too expensive for the average American. Germany produced the very popular and now rare Dresden ornaments. They were handmade, double-sided, embossed and die cut ornaments, usually in gold or silver metallic paper whose shape was varied and sometimes three dimensional. The flocked tree became the rage in 1883. The method for "frosting" a tree was as follows: "Sprinkle the tree all over with water, shake off the excess water, and then dredge the tree with flour. If there remains too much water on the branches, the flour will cake." In previous decades, many American families had either a Christmas tree or Christmas stockings, but not both. By the 1880s, both customs were eagerly embraced as two parts of the same celebration. Lithographed stockings, including do it yourself ones, were popular. **1890** The 1890s were a decade full of excess and even the celebration of Christmas was extravagant. Ornaments on Christmas trees were oversized, lavish, and bright. Glass ornaments soared in popularity during this decade. In 1890, F.W. Woolworth imported $25 worth of glass ornaments and sold them for five and ten cents at his store in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The supply was depleted in just a few days. The next year he placed a much larger order and sold out in a short period of time. Store records indicate that over the next several years Woolworth sold over 25 million dollars worth of these ornaments, all for nickels and dimes! Scrap ornaments were at the height of their popularity. Cardboard ornaments from mail order companies sold for 36 cents a dozen. Cotton ornaments fashioned into fruits, vegetables, human figures, and animals also were popular. These ornaments were a favorite because they were unbreakable. The cotton was wrapped around a wire form. When dry, it was then painted realistically if it were a fruit or vegetable, and if it was a person it was fully clothed. Christmas trees were still mainly lit with candles even though electricity was now available in many homes. Electrically lit trees had to be wired by hand with the help of an electrician. Crude and bare wire connections shorted out when coming in contact with the leaded icicles or roped tinsel, thus causing a fire. Candle light covers in the shapes of Father Christmas, Buster Brown and other popular period characters were available in this time period. They were then hung from the tree with a candle inside. **1900** By 1900, one in five families had a decorated Christmas tree in their home. Affluent Americans still enjoyed lavishly, over-decorated Victorian trees, but even the American workingman and his family celebrated around a decorated evergreen. However, not everyone was pleased with this trend. A conservationist at heart, President Theodore Roosevelt led a battle against cutting down live trees for Christmas decorations. Because of his efforts, the nation adopted better conservation policies for evergreens. To meet the demand for live trees, thousands of farmers planted evergreens as a cash crop. By 1909, nearly 4 million trees were harvested for Christmas. Beginning in 1900 and for the next several years, there was a movement away from the excesses of Victorian decorations. Magazines recommended against overloading trees with ornaments and suggested using only glittering cotton, angel hair, tinsel, pine cones, and icicles. This was called the "White Tree," and this decorating style was popular until World War I. CHRISTMAS POTPOURRI ** Santa Claus started out in Turkey as a 4th century bishop named Nicholas. ** Saint Nicholas was born sometime during the years 270-280 A.D. He was to become the most accurate and actual ancestor of Santa Claus. Nicholas was ordained Bishop while still a young man, and spent his life helping the poor and underpriviledged. He loved children and often went out at night disguised in a hooded cloak, to leave gifts of money, clothing or food at the windows of unfortunate families. Saint Nicholas died December 6th, around the year 343. ** The custom of hanging a stocking can be traced to a Saint Nicholas legend. It was said that in order to help an impoverished nobleman provide dowries for his daughters, the generous Saint Nicholas threw gold coins down the chimney. The coins magically landed in stockings hung by the fire to dry. Hence, hanging of a stocking over the fireplace. ** St. Nicholas first made the new in a 1773 issue of the New York Gazette which referred to him as "otherwise known as St. A. Claus." ** In 1931 Coca Cola began their major promotion using Santa Claus to promote their drink. Their artist, Haddon Sundblom created Santa in his own image! It is the Coca-Cola Santa which is now the traditional Santa! ** The early 19th century was a period of social class conflict and turmoil. During this time, unemployment was high and gang rioting by the disenchanted classes often occurred during the Christmas season. In 1828, the New York city council instituted the city's first police force in response to a Christmas riot. ** December 25th is not Jesus' actual birthday. No one actually knows what day Jesus was born. The first mention of December 25th as his birthday appeared on a Roman calendar in the year 336 - after the Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity. ** The carol, "The Twelve Days of Christmas," is actually a Catholic code. Catholicism was outlawed in England from 1558 to 1829, so Catholic parents developed a song to help their children secretly rehearse the points of their faith. "My true love" refers to God, the "me" symbolizes every baptized person, and the partridge is Jesus Christ. ** The Christmas card is a Victorian creation which began as a kind of stationery. The first card was produced by Sir Henry Cole who worked for the British Postal Service, and an artist he hired named John Horsley. This early card was a depiction of a Christmas scene framed in three panels. In the center panel was a homey scene: children, parents and grandparents seated at the table with some raising their glasses for a toast. On either side were panels depicting acts of Christmas charity: to the left, feeding the hungry; to the right, clothing the naked. Beneath the panels appears, "A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to You." Christmas cards were preceded by "Christmas Pieces" written by school boys in England as greetings to their parents and as proof of their progress in the art of writing. Family ... it's what we're all about. Understanding how and when our traditions began, we gain an even greater appreciation for our forebears, and for the faith that inspired them to create traditions that now, enrich our lives and teach our children. Thank you for allowing me to spend this time with you. I hope your upcoming week is filled with health, productivity, fun, and above all, filled with love. ) ( ) _.-~~-. (@\'--'/. Colleen ('``.__.'`) `..____.'

Ok, Barb, Send your info. I am as ready as I will ever be. Thanks for sharing. Wanda ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Bower" <bbower@widomaker.com> To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [BOWER] Continuum > Wanda - your opening page is beautiful! You've done a great job so far. I > had a little trouble reading your message, tho - could you make the font > size bigger? I may have some Indiana information for you when you're ready. > > Barbara Bower > Yorktown, VA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wanda Roberts" <wmrobert@nalu.net> > To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:17 PM > Subject: [BOWER] Continuum > > > > I hope you will all take a look at my webpage for Indiana and let me know > what you think. It does not have the Indiana logo yet but hopefully will > have in a few days. > > If any of you have Indiana Bower(s) by any spelling, I would love to hear > from you and ask your permission to add them to our Indiana page. If you > have a web site, I would like permission to link to it. > > > > There are many things to add to the site that will make it conform to the > other Continuum pages and I promise I will get that done. > > > > The url is: http://www.crosswinds.net/~indbow/index.html > > > > Wanda > > wmrobert@nalu.net > > > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > > The Bower Family Homestead, homesite of the Bower mailing list -- > > http://bowercommunity.com/homestead > > > > > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>. > >

Does anyone have any information on Jeremiah Bowers listed in the 1820 and 1830 Norfolk Co., VA census records. Donna Bowers Hinson

Lita, Using Netscape Communicator, I could not pan or print without downloading the LizardTech Plug-In. It also allows rotating the image. I must be having a bad-hair day! Minipux@aol.com wrote: > I didn't download anything and saw them just fine! Never heard of LizardTech > Online Viewer but may not have been paying attention.. I used AOL6 with it's > IE. Didn't print it but did zoom and copy it into my FTM program. It may > have opened in something I already had. It went so smooth I really didn't > pay any attention! > > >

Ron, Thank you for your help...I will definitely use your suggestions. I think I have the hang of it now!

Bingo, I got it to work. But I am somewhat frustrated and disappointed because I spent a lot of time getting to that point. At the bottom of the image, it says that if you have the plug in to click. I didn't notice that; it's so small and not obvious at first. I think instructions should be at the beginning and large enough to notice. I've searched for deeds on the BLM pages which was far easier plus the quality of the images and the copy you print is excellent. Based on the time I've spent this morning trying to get one record, I'm not sure about paying the fee Ancestry asks for a membership. I guess what they have to offer is better than nothing once you're pass the learning curve. Sometimes I think the U.S. Census Bureau could've published the census records online and done a wonderful job like the land office did with the the land patents, and for free. I would've sent them a donation to do so.

Hi Donna, Don't know about the "LizardTech Plug" thing, but yes, I tried accessing and downloading, and was somewhat successful. Sometimes the image would not appear on screen, but if you refreshed/reloaded it, it would often yield. Generally, for downloading/saving onscreen images, you can, with Netscape (as well as IE) right-click the mouse over the image and get a mini menu. On the mini-menu, select "Save Image As..." If the image has a .gif or .jpg extension, fine, if otherwise and it is not a normal graphic file extension, try changing it to either .gif or .jpg and you can usually access it in any graphics viewer program. Ron Myers ________ Donna Hinson wrote: > Has anyone else attempted to use the 1790 census images on Ancestry and > downloaded the plug-in called LizardTech Online Viewer which is suppose > to allow you to zoom, etc. and print? And been successful? > > I downloaded it but am not having any success. I'm using Netscape > Communicator, but the census image does not appear to open . I didn't > even find an execute file anywhere in this LizardTech Plug to add to the > Netscape's Helper Applications. Can anybody help?! > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>.

Has anyone else attempted to use the 1790 census images on Ancestry and downloaded the plug-in called LizardTech Online Viewer which is suppose to allow you to zoom, etc. and print? And been successful? I downloaded it but am not having any success. I'm using Netscape Communicator, but the census image does not appear to open . I didn't even find an execute file anywhere in this LizardTech Plug to add to the Netscape's Helper Applications. Can anybody help?!

-----Original Message----- From: Donna Hinson [mailto:dhinson@kellnet.com] Sent: 15 December 2000 01:48 To: Jak Daniels Cc: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Chat: Granny Bowers Bread Pudding Jak, Thanks for your recipe. When you mentioned that you like "Bread & Butter Pudding" better, I recognized it...that is what we had while in England...it was delicious. How does it differ from regular Bread Pudding? Its so much better. Bread Pudding is all brown and thick and solid. Now bread & Butter Pudding is wonderful - real comfort food. Especially when covered in really thick creamy custard. Can you also post the Bread & Butter recipe when you have time. No worries - I've sent it to you direct as I'm not sure how everyone else will react to another recipe on our digest. Thanks ever so much. I think it is great to share some "Bower" traditions and recipes during the holidays. Actually perhaps it would be a good to share receipes form around the world that our ancestors would of eaten - now I would love to know how to make an apple schrudel (or even be able to spell it!) P.S. I'm not sure what shredded suet or Demerara sugar is...but I'm sure we can find them at a specialty or international grocery store in the states. Demerara sugar is brown sugar - I should of changed that for translation and forgot. Shredded suet ... ummm are you sure you want to know .... Its beef fat that has been dried and other bits added which I really won't go in to. This is a need to know basis! Also, ounces work fine....8 oz. = 1 c. Hey at last I know - that one has driven me mad for years. Jak

THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE: 1) You believe in Santa Claus. 2) You don't believe in Santa Claus. 3) You are Santa Claus. 4) You look like Santa Claus.

Jak, Thanks for your recipe. When you mentioned that you like "Bread & Butter Pudding" better, I recognized it...that is what we had while in England...it was delicious. How does it differ from regular Bread Pudding? Can you also post the Bread & Butter recipe when you have time. Thanks ever so much. I think it is great to share some "Bower" traditions and recipes during the holidays. P.S. I'm not sure what shredded suet or Demerara sugar is...but I'm sure we can find them at a specialty or international grocery store in the states. Also, ounces work fine....8 oz. = 1 c.

Hi cousins, For those of you who are new to family, I think you should know .... Every year, between Thanksgiving and New Year's, the CHAT: forum opens for everyone to discuss holiday traditions, pass greetings and recipes along, etc. What you've been seeing the last several days is just that... As long as CHAT: starts out your subject line, you are in CHAT: forum. You can safely discuss non-genealogy subjects ... HOWEVER .... there are a few guidelines to the CHAT: format: 1. You MUST start your subject line with CHAT: 2. Absolutely NO genealogy is to be put in CHAT: forum messages because not everyone in the family wants to read CHAT: messages. Those people know to simply delete messages with CHAT: in the subject line knowing they won't miss any genealogical data. CHAT: format messages are not an everyday occurrence. They normally happen here and there. The only, and longest, time the CHAT: forum is actively open is the holiday season ... now. After January 2nd, the CHAT: forum closes and resumes its normal inactivity with occasional messages only. So, if you're wondering how all these people are talking off-subject and "getting away with it" ... check out their subject lines. You're welcome to join in. Just remember to move into the CHAT: format where you're safe. Of course, it _would_ be nice to see some genealogy messages go through, too ... but this does happen only once a year, so ... :) I hope you're all having a SPLENDIFEROUS holiday season! :) Colleen

Now I really can appreciate this recipe! This sounds like me cooking any kind of meal come to think of it. Jak -----Original Message----- From: VICKY BOWERS-GIELAU [mailto:vichary@home.com] Sent: 14 December 2000 19:47 To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BOWER] Chat: English Desserts This may not be bread pudding but it is a very happy Cake maker. A handy recipe to take your mind off all that Christmas shopping! For all you home bakers out there............ Just to get you into the spirit here's a chrissy cake to make . . Christmas cake recipe!! Ingredients: 1 cup of water 1 tsp baking soda, 1 tsp salt 1 cup of sugar, 1 cup of brown sugar lemon juice, nuts 4 large eggs 2 cups of dried fruit 1 bottle Vodka Sample the vodka to check quality. Take a large bowl,check the vodka again. To be sure it is the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink. Repeat. Turn on the electric mixer. Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl. Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again. At this point it's best to make sure the vodka is shtill OK. Try another cup .... just in case Turn off the mixerer. Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit. Pick fruit off floor. Mix on the turner. If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers pry it loose with screwscriver. Sample the vodka to check for tonsisticity. Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something. Who giveshz a hit. Check the vodka. Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts. Add one table. Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find. Greash the oven and chuck in the fridge. Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over. Don't forget to beat off the turner. Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the vodka and kick the cat. Fall into bed. Jenloubow@aol.com wrote: > > love bread pudding........would love to have a recipe also > > Jen > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Please do not send messages with attachments, HTML, MIME, or any other > enhanced text to the list. RootsWeb does not allow messages with those > settings through their servers and will only return them to you.