Hi Colleen, I am still recieving email from the mailing list. I believe the address that needs to be removed is now: rparks@daed.com Can you help with this or should I be contacting someone else? RP -----Original Message----- From: Colleen Pustola [mailto:ladyaudris@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:16 AM To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOWER] CHAT: PLEASE READ -- Important WARNING Regarding GenForum Hi everyone, In the interest of keeping everyone informed, I'm forwarding a message that's begun to circulate around the genealogical community. You may have seen this before and if so, please just delete. But if not then you'll definitely wanted to read this. In this particular instance mine is not to sway your opinion, but to enable you to make an informed one with regard to your wallets and the information you possess. If I hear anything more, you can bet I'll be posting it for you. I hope you're all having a super Saturday! :) Colleen ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~ In a message dated 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, DtwRaver@aol.com writes: Subj: Fwd: Important Regarding GenForum Date: 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time From: DtwRaver@aol.com To:OH-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: Ethics Hi everyone. this came as a message from the listowner for the Rockingham, New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone ought to see what is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole message to see what is going on. I think at the very least we ought to take it as a warning and a reminder that not all we find is correct information and just use it as a tool to look further. Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah mailto:lloydi@ubtanet.com">lloydi@ubtanet.com ************************* Dick Marston wrote: Listers: I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham County message board on <genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/> WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will first need to subscribe to their service available to paying members only.** I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I sure would like to get through to their potential customers and unwitting voluntary contributors. Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Denise dcmeta@interx.net One Planet ~ One People ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== To post messages to the Bower discussion list, send them to BOWER-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Rob, I just unsubbed your daed.com email addy. I think this will completely remove you from the BOWER-L. You should be receiving notice of the unsub about the same time as this message. Good luck in your research! :) Colleen Rob Parks wrote: > > Hi Colleen, > > I am still recieving email from the mailing list. I believe the address > that needs to be removed is now: rparks@daed.com > > Can you help with this or should I be contacting someone else? > > RP > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colleen Pustola [mailto:ladyaudris@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:16 AM > To: BOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BOWER] CHAT: PLEASE READ -- Important WARNING Regarding > GenForum > > Hi everyone, > > In the interest of keeping everyone informed, I'm forwarding a message > that's begun to circulate around the genealogical community. You may > have seen this before and if so, please just delete. But if not then > you'll definitely wanted to read this. In this particular instance mine > is not to sway your opinion, but to enable you to make an informed one > with regard to your wallets and the information you possess. > > If I hear anything more, you can bet I'll be posting it for you. > > I hope you're all having a super Saturday! :) > > Colleen > > ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~ > > In a message dated 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, > DtwRaver@aol.com > writes: > > Subj: Fwd: Important Regarding GenForum > Date: 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: DtwRaver@aol.com > To:OH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Ethics > > Hi everyone. this came as a message from the listowner for the > Rockingham, New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone > ought to see what is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this > along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole > message to see what is going on. I think at the very least we ought to > take it as a warning and a reminder that not all we find is correct > information and just use it as a tool to look further. > > Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah > mailto:lloydi@ubtanet.com">lloydi@ubtanet.com > > ************************* > Dick Marston wrote: > > Listers: > > I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and > respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have > innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have > amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: > > **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham > County message board on <genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/> > WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards > may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them > for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or > as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. > Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information > Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will > first need to subscribe to their service available to paying members > only.** > > I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco > about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing > this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I > sure would like to get through to their potential customers and > unwitting voluntary contributors. > > Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or > to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your > own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help will > be greatly appreciated. > > Denise > dcmeta@interx.net > One Planet ~ One People > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Bower discussion list, send them to > BOWER-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Need to reach Colleen, the discussion coordinator? Send her an email > at <ladyaudris@earthlink.net>.

Researching: PETRIE, SOCUTA, DOBBINS, HAWKINS, WARREN, BROWER Subject: Ethics Hi everyone. This came as a message from the listowner for the Rockingham, New Hamspshire list. I thought everyone ought to see what may be going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. If this is an improper use of the lists I belong to, I apologize. Please disregard. But as someone who's downloaded much of my hard work to genealogy.com...I am interested to see how this plays out. > > Dick Marston wrote: > > > > Listers: > > > > I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post > > and respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, > > I have innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I > > have amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as > > follows: > > > > **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham > > County message board on [ genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/ ] > > WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message > > boards may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and > > sold by them for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual > > subscription or as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally > > unreliable. Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, > > information Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, > > you will first need to subscribe to their service available to > > paying members only.** > > > > I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco > > about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was > > doing this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, > > but I sure would like to get through to their potential customers and > > unwitting voluntary contributors. > > > > Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, > > or to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as > > your own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help > > will be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Denise > > dcmeta@interx.net > > One Planet ~ One People > > > > > > ==== VERMONT Mailing List ==== > List Guidelines: http://userweb.springnet1.com/quest/VERMONT/VermontWelcome.html > > Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BAUER] BAUER(S) in PA or NH Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:25:17 -0700 Resent-From: BAUER-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:30:45 -0500 From: "K. Murphy" <kammurphy@erols.com> Reply-To: BAUER-L@rootsweb.com To: BAUER-L@rootsweb.com Am tracking BAUERS / BAUER family members in PA. The first person in the US (ca. 1875-ish) used the name BAUERS but it has since evolved into BAUER. Here is the info: Frank S. BAUERS, b. AUS ca. 1853 m. Anna __________, b. GER ca. 1845 known children: William, b. PA Dec. 1871 m. Julia COOPER b. PA had 13 children August, b. PA ca. 1873 Anna, b. PA ca. 1876 Julia, b. PA Feb. 1880 Josephine \ m. Albert COOPER b. PA (they moved to NH) Laura any order Elizabeth / Is anyone else tracking these folks? Looking to share info. Thanks! ==== BAUER Mailing List ==== To post messages to the Bauer discussion list, send them to BAUER-L@rootsweb.com ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I have received the messages about Family Treemaker selling information on at least 4 of the mail lists I belong to. What in the world are you people so riled up about? I have used Family Treemaker for several years and they have made no bones about the fact that information that is submitted to them will be included on CD's and such. I consider that I am paying for the convenience of being able to easily locate what I am looking for, their time in indexing everything and such. I do not feel I am paying for information. At no time have they misrepresented anything. I work full time, have a serious illness, and am involved in other groups in my community. I don't have unlimited time to search for hours to find information that Family Treemaker or other sites have located and can guide me to in a few minutes. As for incorrect information---- Anyone who has done genealogy for more than an hour knows that everyones data base has some flaws in it. I have found flaws in information submitted to the Daughters of the American Revolution as well as information that I have recerived directly from another researcher. I have received corrections to my data base from others that I have shared it with and consider they are doing me a favor by calling it to my attention. If you choose not to do business with Family Treemaker then don't but please stop this unfair campaign. I heard nothing in the postings that I did not receive directly from Family Treemaker themselves. Roberta Wunder

) ( ) Good Morning Family! .-.,--^--. ( Come on in. . . \\|`----'| - The coffee pot's on. . . \| |// ...and we even have decaf, | |/ tea, and hot chocolate! \ / ------ Today's topics include: 1. Welcome to new cousins 2. That awful front page! 3. The Reunion If you've been with the family for at least three weeks, you'll probably want to skip the following paragraph… TO OUR NEWEST COUSINS ~~ On behalf of the entire family, I'd like to extend a most hearty welcome to those cousins who came into the family fold this past week. We are very glad to have you with us and hope you'll stay and remain a part of our online family. As soon as you're comfortable with us and the list, please send in your Bower[s]/Bauer or Baur lines so we can all see how we're related to you. We do not have a fancy format for sending in records or queries to the list. Post as many as you wish! If the data has anything to do with Bower[s]/Bauer or Baur ancestors or any of the 81+ variant spellings we research that might help someone, please feel free to post it. Every scrap of information is appreciated. If you haven't visited the homesite of this list yet, you are encouraged to do so. Our home is Bower Community, located at <http://bowercommunity.com>. There, we currently have two sites: The Bower Family Homestead [a.k.a., the Homestead] is our primary homesite and the gathering place for much of our information. It waits to join us all in welcoming you into the family at <http://bowercommunity.com/homestead>. Smaller is our sister site, the Bower Cottage, which houses most of our projects including an online GEDCOM fed by quite a few cousins from our lists. Find the Cottage is at <http://bowercommunity.com/cottage>. THAT AWFUL FRONT PAGE! To be sure, I am now firmly, most stoically convinced that you are the nicest, most patient group of people I will ever come to know! I visited our home this week. Oh... my... gosh! I can't believe something I planned so well, turned out the way it did; I'd wanted to try something new. I did and it sucks green eggs! I won't do that again! Oh, the front page looks great and all, but to have it follow you into the house??? No, that wasn't in the plan. I will be changing the front page again sometime in the next couple days so it doesn't "follow" you inside! You can expect another change relatively soon. :-| THE REUNION Hot and muggy... it was the only way to describe that July 1st day. Most people didn't seem to mind the weather, though. The surrounding forest provided enough shade to keep everyone relatively cool. Horses, buggies and buckboards were off'ed to one side. It was a "raising" and everyone in the community enjoyed the comaraderie while assisting the newest family in erecting a magnificent log cabin. Tonight the family would sleep in their new home. The couple's children joined other young ones at play while the women-folk talked and laid out a sumptuous pot luck meal. The arduous task of clearing trees and removing stumps had been completed only two days ago. All the men had left to do was to put up the dwelling. The lake just across the yard would provide not only that necessity of life but an unbridled vista of beauty and recreational enjoyment. Life was exciting in this new state! Life was good! Where once stood a log cabin now appeared a three-bedroom, clapboard home. Most people didn't know that, though. The forest was reduced to a small grouping of trees on the east side of the house and it was there that the day was unfolding. The gathering centered around a tiny, gray-haired woman and her stooped-over, equally gray-haired husband. Eighty-five years old now, she was the one who remembered those early days, and the only one still living. Viewing the lake brought back such memories for her! She saw the home, but in her eyes saw instead the cabin and those younger years, forgetting how really hard they were. Her body may have aged with time, however, vivid memories flooded her mind with the moment. Her parents and siblings came back to life with those long-ago visions, and she realized how much she missed them. The old woman's reverie was interrupted when a child came up and slid a frail hand into her withered, aged one... a 6-year old girl it was ~ with the very likeness of herself in her youth. The old woman saw in that second how the circle of life had come back around to her through her great-granddaughter. The girl's older sister came up to retrieve her younger sibling and the old woman saw again, another piece of herself. "Sit down here with me and let me tell you a story..." she said to the girls. The afternoon became one of memories for both generations, and another hot and muggy July 1st reunion ambled by. The house is gone now, but most people don't even realize one was ever there. Cars fill the cement parking lot as people amble to and from the pavillion over near the lake. It's a family reunion! July 1st the perfect day... a hot one to be sure, and muggy... Trees would be nice to sit under if there were any. But, it's a perfect day, otherwise. Everyone is excited to see siblings, aunts, uncles and cousins they haven't seen in years!... and some they've never met! Family elders say that this used to be an annual event... that the family meets here because it has ancestral significance. Only two people really know... two elderly women who took the time to spend an afternoon with an old woman and her memories during their brief encounter. This day, at least of them will pass her stories along, too. Will you or your child be the one who receives them at the next reunion, listening in awe to a life of what once was? After all it's family... and it's what we're all about. I really enjoyed this time with you. It was so nice. I hope you all have a fantastic upcoming week. I wish you all a week filled with health, fun, productivity, and above all, filled with love. ) ( ) _.-~~-. (@\'--'/. Colleen ('``.__.'`) `..____.'

Lita, Yes, they will have to do without my money too, but I will continue to share anything I have with anybody who I think I might be of help to. Hopefully they won't be selling it, but I don't care if they share it with other researchers. I know it starts getting irritating when you know the same information is available from other sources for free. We just need to continue to let others know where these sources are. That's one of the things I think is so great about the Bowers family. Most are very willing to share what they find with other family researchers. I have met some really great people through the forums. Some were related in one way or another, some were not. Some I would never have been in contact with if it weren't for the message forums. Let's hope that these forums will continue to be free to all. I too, am worried about the direction it seems some things are going, and we all need to help. I think it is especially important to help those who are just getting started in their searches, to find those sources that are free, instead of thinking the info is not available unless they pay for it. It is also irritating when you go to a source and it looks like it is free, but all they are doing is advertising for something they have for sale. I for one, feel as if I have wasted valuable time that could have been put to better use elsewhere. Hope you didn't think I was sticking up for these practices. I was just trying to point out what their thinking might be as to why they feel it is necessary to charge for their service. I have noticed in some cases, even though they charge for some of their info, that they sometimes point out that you can also get this information from another source that does not charge for it. Anyhow, I hope we can all keep sharing. As Coleen always says, "FAMILY IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT." Diana

I want to share my info - I LOVE to share my info - FREELY! It upsets me that I have it and will share what I have for free but those companies will take it and sell it while those buying have no idea where it could be gotten free! I understand the companies have expenses. Oh, well, I will go on helping anyone who asks but the companies will have to do without my money as I haven't enough to access "pay for" info thru them. It's so neat the family members I have gotten in touch with since I've been hunting online! My late aunt's daughter and I were looking at my info at the same time and that's how I met her more or less. She is the niece of my birthfather I met only 8 years ago and who died last year on my birthday. I was online looking checking for reponses to queries to my Symmonds posts and went on to someone else and an email came thru telling me that she was just reading a post I had sent in which was the one I had just been reading! We hope to meet next month sometime. Other than my birthdad and his wife I haven't met anyone else from the family. But I have exchanged email with my two half brothers and my step brother's wife. I'll be quiet now! lol > Yes, it is unethical for them to sell this information, but we all search > the > Internet in the hopes we will run across something that connects to what we > Lita A good friend overlooks your broken down gate and admires the flowers in your window.                                           See some of my accomplishments: http://puxplace.homestead.com/Hello.html   http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=89621

Yes, it is unethical for them to sell this information, but we all search the Internet in the hopes we will run across something that connects to what we are researching. It is up to us to check out to see if this information is correct. If you know it is incorrect, it seems to me that you would want to correspond with the party involved to correct the information so information disseminated would not be erroneous. When you correspond with someone, is it not to either add to your own information or to contribute to theirs? And what's to say that the information you passed on was not also found from other sources? After all, if you have it, others probably have it also. Isn't sharing what it's all about? It's like a puzzle. Some of us have a few pieces and someone else may have a few other pieces. It takes all the pieces to make a complete picture. And sometimes we try to put some of the pieces in the wrong place and eventually realize this just isn't going to work. Sometimes we need someone else to say, Hey-that doesn't fit there. Then we have to keep searching for the right piece. If we are so possessive of our information that we don't want others to use it because we did the hard work, then don't put it on the Internet or don't share the information. By the same token, if we have this attitude, then we shouldn't be using anything found on the Internet that is not an official record. Yes, it is sad that some people or organizations are trying to make money off of the work of others, but not posting to or using these sites may keep you from finding that one clue to break down that brick wall, or to run across that cousin or relative we know nothing about. While I don't like what is going on, I'm sure these companies incur many expenses to furnish us a place to post or share this information. We have a choice as to whether we are willing to pay for this service or to post on a service that we know is charging a fee for information they are getting for free. Only putting your information on the Bowers family site is unrealistic, as most of us are searching for other names too, that may or may not be associated with the Bowers family directly. Are you also going to quit searching these other sites for information you have not been able to find on our family site? Information about our family is not just ours. It is part of the heritage of anyone who might in some way be tied to this family, and should in my opinion, be shared freely, no matter who did the hard work. Diana

Hi Beautiful People CAUTION: DON'T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER!!!! I am usually the quiet one but now I must speak. I subscribe to the FTM site not to get their newest production of someone elses version of what they think their family tree is (which I may add is approximately 50% incorrect) but as a resource to look at books that are out of print which they have in their library and do research at my computer. Those books, census, indexes and records so scanned into their files are correct and a viable source for our research. The individual family trees in the World Family Tree Collection and whatever they call the other collection are a compilation of submitted family trees from their subscribers, taken from the LDS site or borrowed from information found on line. Is this unethical? In my opinion it is. (The ones I have viewed are riddled with mistakes, and I am not going to send them the corrections. Their reputation in the genealogical commuinty is continuing to slip) Now if we allow this to govern how we exchange information between each other on line then WE are the losers. The Bowers site is an award winning site (just had to add that) if someone comes in and copies some correct data from this site and tries to sell it to someone else I feel this is very unethical but not something we cannot control. The purpose of this site and the other sites for the other Surnames is to exchange freely the information between each other for the express purpose of compiling the most accurate information on the family that we can muster. THANKS FOR BEING THEIR FOR ME IN MY QUEST FOR KNOWLEDGE GENTLE SPIRITS! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Pustola" <ladyaudris@earthlink.net> To: <BOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: [BOWER] CHAT: PLEASE READ -- Important WARNING Regarding GenForum > Hi everyone, > > In the interest of keeping everyone informed, I'm forwarding a message > that's begun to circulate around the genealogical community. You may > have seen this before and if so, please just delete. But if not then > you'll definitely wanted to read this. In this particular instance mine > is not to sway your opinion, but to enable you to make an informed one > with regard to your wallets and the information you possess. > > If I hear anything more, you can bet I'll be posting it for you. > > I hope you're all having a super Saturday! :) > > Colleen > > ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~ > > In a message dated 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, > DtwRaver@aol.com > writes: > > Subj: Fwd: Important Regarding GenForum > Date: 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: DtwRaver@aol.com > To:OH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Ethics > > Hi everyone. this came as a message from the listowner for the > Rockingham, New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone > ought to see what is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this > along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole > message to see what is going on. I think at the very least we ought to > take it as a warning and a reminder that not all we find is correct > information and just use it as a tool to look further. > > Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah > mailto:lloydi@ubtanet.com">lloydi@ubtanet.com > > ************************* > Dick Marston wrote: > > Listers: > > I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and > respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have > innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have > amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: > > **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham > County message board on <genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/> > WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards > may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them > for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or > as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. > Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information > Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will > first need to subscribe to their service available to paying members > only.** > > I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco > about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing > this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I > sure would like to get through to their potential customers and > unwitting voluntary contributors. > > Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or > to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your > own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help will > be greatly appreciated. > > > Denise > dcmeta@interx.net > One Planet ~ One People > > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Bower discussion list, send them to > BOWER-L@rootsweb.com >

What keeps them from "borrowing" from the BOWER site and our private ones? Time? I know ethically and probably legally they "shouldn't" but always wonder what is really safe! > Well, at least we're all getting forewarned. We have the opportunity to > fully contain ourselves on our own domain and promote it like crazy, or > continue as things are for a while and see what happens. But whatever > we do, we should do it as a family... or a majority thereof. The more > united we are, the better our chances of keeping our material > Lita A good friend overlooks your broken down gate and admires the flowers in your window.                                           See some of my accomplishments: http://puxplace.homestead.com/Hello.html   http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=89621

I have been concerned about this for some time and even moreso since the merger of Rootsweb. But what can we do? We have all been sharing our information freely because we enjoy this hobby. For companies to gather it to sell without having to pay for it makes me angry too. I have found my reseach info submitted to FamilyTreeMaker by others I gave it to without even asking my persmission or giving me credit for my research. And, we don't know if their portion of research is accurate either. Everything should always be checked and not taken as the gospell. I have continued to share genealogy information freely, but this problem has been making me wary of posting online. I know the Internet has been wonderful for genealogy and a help to those not near research facilities, plus it has helped us meet so many cousins. I really worry about the future of free sharing of genealogy information online. I wonder how long it will be before Genealogy.com will next make Rootsweb and all the work we have done gathering data for the various state and county pages a monthly fee genealogy service. I hope someone out there has the funds to take them to court should this happen. Rootsweb is our data and should remain so without charge. Colleen Pustola wrote: > Hi everyone, > > In the interest of keeping everyone informed, I'm forwarding a message > that's begun to circulate around the genealogical community. You may > have seen this before and if so, please just delete. But if not then > you'll definitely wanted to read this. In this particular instance mine > is not to sway your opinion, but to enable you to make an informed one > with regard to your wallets and the information you possess. > > If I hear anything more, you can bet I'll be posting it for you. > > I hope you're all having a super Saturday! :) > > Colleen > > ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~ > > In a message dated 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, > DtwRaver@aol.com > writes: > > Subj: Fwd: Important Regarding GenForum > Date: 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: DtwRaver@aol.com > To:OH-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Ethics > > Hi everyone. this came as a message from the listowner for the > Rockingham, New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone > ought to see what is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this > along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole > message to see what is going on. I think at the very least we ought to > take it as a warning and a reminder that not all we find is correct > information and just use it as a tool to look further. > > Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah > mailto:lloydi@ubtanet.com">lloydi@ubtanet.com > > ************************* > Dick Marston wrote: > > Listers: > > I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and > respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have > innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have > amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: > > **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham > County message board on <genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/> > WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards > may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them > for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or > as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. > Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information > Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will > first need to subscribe to their service available to paying members > only.** > > I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco > about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing > this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I > sure would like to get through to their potential customers and > unwitting voluntary contributors. > > Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or > to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your > own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help will > be greatly appreciated. > > > Denise > dcmeta@interx.net > One Planet ~ One People > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > To post messages to the Bower discussion list, send them to > BOWER-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Donna, I'm also extremely concerned about Rootsweb eventually going commercial ... something I know that's bound to happen. It's just a matter of when. There is only one thing I've been able to come up with since their merger and that's to keep all our data out of their sites and on our own. Then we have to promote the domain like crazy! That was a prime reason I tried not to move us to Rootsweb when we were having all those problems with Crosswinds and GeoCities. I feel we need to keep ourselves separated from the genealogical sites just in case they do go commercial. Like you, it frosts me that freely-given data is being sold via subscription or cd. If you or anyone else can come up with a better solution, I'm certainly "all ears" and would love to know your idea(s). The family's Retreat was moved off MyFamily.com because of them rumored to be lifting data from sites. I've even given thought to figuring out some way to bringing the Retreat to our domain, but I don't know all the programming we'd need to do a live chatroom. All I know is... I don't post at GenForum any more, nor will I. The GenConnect boards at Rootsweb, I'm even hesitant to use them now, though I have once for several places/names. *sigh* ... here everyone had a good thing going until... Well, at least we're all getting forewarned. We have the opportunity to fully contain ourselves on our own domain and promote it like crazy, or continue as things are for a while and see what happens. But whatever we do, we should do it as a family... or a majority thereof. The more united we are, the better our chances of keeping our material protected... at least, that's the way I see it. Besides, we're all family... we SHOULD be standing together in this! :) Colleen Donna Hinson wrote: > > I have been concerned about this for some time and even moreso since the > merger of Rootsweb. But what can we do? We have all been sharing our > information freely because we enjoy this hobby. For companies to gather it > to sell without having to pay for it makes me angry too. I have found my > reseach info submitted to FamilyTreeMaker by others I gave it to without > even asking my persmission or giving me credit for my research. And, we > don't know if their portion of research is accurate either. Everything > should always be checked and not taken as the gospell. I have continued to > share genealogy information freely, but this problem has been making me wary > of posting online. I know the Internet has been wonderful for genealogy and > a help to those not near research facilities, plus it has helped us meet so > many cousins. I really worry about the future of free sharing of genealogy > information online. I wonder how long it will be before Genealogy.com will > next make Rootsweb and all the work we have done gathering data for the > various state and county pages a monthly fee genealogy service. I hope > someone out there has the funds to take them to court should this happen. > Rootsweb is our data and should remain so without charge. >

Hi everyone, In the interest of keeping everyone informed, I'm forwarding a message that's begun to circulate around the genealogical community. You may have seen this before and if so, please just delete. But if not then you'll definitely wanted to read this. In this particular instance mine is not to sway your opinion, but to enable you to make an informed one with regard to your wallets and the information you possess. If I hear anything more, you can bet I'll be posting it for you. I hope you're all having a super Saturday! :) Colleen ~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~@~ In a message dated 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, DtwRaver@aol.com writes: Subj: Fwd: Important Regarding GenForum Date: 3/24/01 1:36:16 AM Eastern Standard Time From: DtwRaver@aol.com To:OH-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: Ethics Hi everyone. this came as a message from the listowner for the Rockingham, New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone ought to see what is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole message to see what is going on. I think at the very least we ought to take it as a warning and a reminder that not all we find is correct information and just use it as a tool to look further. Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah mailto:lloydi@ubtanet.com">lloydi@ubtanet.com ************************* Dick Marston wrote: Listers: I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham County message board on <genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/> WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will first need to subscribe to their service available to paying members only.** I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I sure would like to get through to their potential customers and unwitting voluntary contributors. Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Denise dcmeta@interx.net One Planet ~ One People

Descendants of Phillip Philemon Bowers - 22 MAR 2001 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- FIRST GENERATION 1. Phillip Philemon Bowers was born in 1788 in South Carolina. He appeared on the census in 1810 in Edgefield County, South Carolina, p36. He served in the military between 1812 and 1815 in War of 1812, 4 Regiment, Lt. Col William Jones Infantry, Georgia Militia. He appeared on the census in 1820 in Edgefield County, South Carolina, p135. He appeared on the census in 1830 in Edgefield County, South Carolina, p195. He appeared on the census in 1840 in Stewart County, Georgia, p122. He appeared on the census in 1850 in Stewart County, Georgia. He signed a will on 27 MAY 1852 in Stewart County, Georgia. He died in 1857 in Stewart County, Georgia. He had a will probated on 7 SEP 1857 in Stewart County, Georgia. He was named as executor of the will/estate of Mary Griffin in Stewart County, Georgia. He resided 20th district in Stewart County, Georgia. He was married to Mary Ann "Nancy" Broom (daughter of Thomas Broom and ? ?) in 1811. Mary Ann "Nancy" Broom was born in 1792 in South Carolina. She appeared on the census in 1860 in Stewart County, Georgia, p297. Phillip Philemon Bowers and Mary Ann "Nancy" Broom had the following children: +2 i. John Bowers (born in 1812). +3 ii. David Bowers (born in 1818). +4 iii. Elizabeth H. Bowers (born in 1821). +5 iv. Philemon Bowers (born in 1828). 6 v. Ann Bowers was born in 1830 in South Carolina. +7 vi. Martha Bowers (born in 1832). +8 vii. Mary C. Bowers (born in 1834). +9 viii. Keziah Bowers (born on 17 DEC 1836). SECOND GENERATION 2. John Bowers was born in 1812 in South Carolina. He was married to Frances Dobbs on 9 AUG 1832. John Bowers and Frances Dobbs had the following children: 10 i. Keziah Bowers. 3. David Bowers was born in 1818 in South Carolina. He appeared on the tax list in 1841 in Stewart County, Georgia. He appeared on the census in 1850 in Stewart County, Georgia. He appeared on the census in 1860 in Stewart County, Georgia, p297. He was married to Dorcas Croon Stanley about 1840. Dorcas Croon Stanley was born in 1822 in North Carolina. David Bowers and Dorcas Croon Stanley had the following children: 11 i. Missouri B. Bowers was born in 1841 in Georgia. 12 ii. Laura Bowers was born in 1843 in Georgia. 13 iii. Lavinia Bowers was born in 1846 in Georgia. 14 iv. Thomas Bowers was born in 1848 in Georgia. 15 v. Charlie Bowers was born in 1850 in Georgia. 16 vi. David Bowers was born in 1854 in Georgia. 17 vii. Mattie Bowers was born in 1855 in Georgia. 18 viii. Marcellus Bowers was born in 1858 in Georgia. 19 ix. Julia Lenora Bowers was born in 1859 in Georgia. 4. Elizabeth H. Bowers was born in 1821 in South Carolina. She died in ?Texas. She was married to Bartley Martin on 18 JAN 1837 in Stewart County, Georgia. Bartley Martin was born in 1817 in South Carolina. He appeared on the census in 1840 in Stewart County, Georgia, p122. He appeared on the census in 1860 in Stewart County, Georgia, p303. Elizabeth H. Bowers and Bartley Martin had the following children: 20 i. Sarah Martin was born in 1838 in Georgia. 21 ii. (dau) Martin was born in 1840 in Georgia. 22 iii. William H. Martin was born in 1842 in Georgia. 23 iv. David F. Martin was born in 1844 in Georgia. 24 v. Mary Martin was born in 1848 in Georgia. 25 vi. Caroline Martin was born in 1852 in Georgia. 26 vii. Frances Martin was born in 1854 in Georgia. 27 viii. Thomas B. Martin was born in 1856 in Georgia. 5. Philemon Bowers was born in 1828 in South Carolina. He appeared on the tax list in 1841 in Stewart County, Georgia. He appeared on the census in 1850 in Stewart County, Georgia. He appeared on the census in 1860 in Stewart County, Georgia, p298. He served in the military on 2 MAR 1862 in Zollicoffer's Guards, Co G 46th Reg GA Vol Inf. C.S.A.. He was married to Mary Ann Pyle (daughter of Abraham Pyle) on 4 OCT 1851 in Stewart County, Georgia. Mary Ann Pyle was born about 1835 in Georgia. Philemon Bowers and Mary Ann Pyle had the following children: 28 i. Anna M. Bowers was born in 1857 in Georgia. 29 ii. Jasper A. Bowers was born in 1860 in Georgia. 7. Martha Bowers was born in 1832 in South Carolina. She was married to William B. Grimes on 3 JUN 1858 in Stewart County, Georgia. William B. Grimes was born in OCT 1831 in North Carolina. He appeared on the census in 1860 in Stewart County, Georgia, p307. He died on 5 NOV 1894. Martha Bowers and William B. Grimes had the following children: 30 i. William Grimes was born in 1859 in Georgia. 8. Mary C. Bowers was born in 1834 in Georgia. She was buried in Harmony Cemetery, Stewart County, Georgia. She was married to William Mabry on 4 DEC 1851 in Stewart County, Georgia. William Mabry was born in 1820 in Georgia. He appeared on the census in 1860 in Stewart County, Georgia, p356. He was buried in Harmony Cemetery, Stewart County, Georgia. Mary C. Bowers and William Mabry had the following children: 31 i. W. Woody Mabry was born in 1853 in Georgia. 32 ii. James P. Mabry was born in 1855 in Georgia. 33 iii. Philip Mabry was born in 1857 in Georgia. 34 iv. Thomas Mabry was born in 1857 in Georgia. 9. Keziah Bowers was born on 17 DEC 1836 in Georgia. She died on 15 OCT 1914 in Smith County, Mississippi. She was buried on 16 OCT 1914 in Ware Cemetery, MS (Smith). She was married to George Washington Ware (son of John S. Ware and Mary "Polly" Jackson) on 10 OCT 1852 in Stewart County, Georgia. George Washington Ware was born on 30 OCT 1828 in Lumpkin, Stewart County, Georgia. He appeared on the census in 1870 in Smith County, Mississippi, p451.. He died in 1907 in Smith County, Mississippi. He was buried in 1907 in Ware Cemetery, MS (Smith). Keziah Bowers and George Washington Ware had the following children: +35 i. Henrietta S. Ware (born on 2 SEP 1853). +36 ii. David C. "Dave" Ware (born on 3 NOV 1856). +37 iii. Keziah Josephine Ware (born in 1861).

We have been talking about this at our Genealogical Society and there are a few members that want to do this. I will keep you informed if they ever do! Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: <SEARCH4FAMILIES@aol.com> Subject: [BOWER] Molecular Genealogy Project : Here is a very interesting way to do Genealogy, what do you guys think??? : <A HREF="http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu/">Welcome to BYU's Molecular Genealogy Project Home Page</A> : http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu/ : :

Here is a very interesting way to do Genealogy, what do you guys think??? <A HREF="http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu/">Welcome to BYU's Molecular Genealogy Project Home Page</A> http://molecular-genealogy.byu.edu/

We use FTM & the Genealogy Library and didn't realize we even had the access rights to Genealogy Library for a year (ah DUH!) we then found out that we had problems accessing it. A month ago we contacted FTM & told them of our problem, they Not only answered their phones BUT they were helpful & gave us 2 more years at no additional charge.....Frank

Hi Robert, I've been looking over my notes as I'm planning to go to Houston if possible next week and wanted to research while there. In doing so, I wanted to look up a few more records for Todd and Logan Co. and a couple more 1870 for Butler Co. where it looks like possibly some of my Jeremiah's son's may have gone and maybe his widow. I had obtained a KY list on Genealogy.com during free day but noticed my 1870 census index did not include all the same people. Pulled out an 1850 census for Warren Co. for Barnabus Bowers which I obtained for some unknown reason last trip. Don't know how I didn't notice, but there were two other Bowers listed and evidently may be missing from the 1850 KY printed index. I had the entire 1850 KY index for Bowers and only Barnabus was listed. I feel they are father and sons; they were living next door to one another, or at least the census taker went from one to the other. I will note them here for you. Hope there's a clue. I don't know how these people fit in with mine if they do at all. 1850 Warren Co. KY, Pg 48 Line 3: Barnabus Bowers, 44, male, Farmer, $600 value real estate, b. KY Sarah, 39, female, b. KY John W., 13, male, b. KY Lydia A., 11, female, b. KY Line 7: William J. Bowers, 32, male, Shoemaker, b. KY Margaret, 26, female, b. KY Jane, 9, female, b. KY Elizabeth, 7, female John W., 5, male, b. KY Catharine, 4, female, b. KY Magaret, 2, female, b. KY Edmund, 1 mo., b. KY Elizabeth Smith, 17, female, b. KY Line 16: Wm. Bowers, 67, male, Farmer, $1000 value of real estate, b. NC Elizabeth, 59, female, b. VA A William is listed in 1820, Warren Co., pg. 35, and in 1830, pg. 96, could not find listed for 1840 but sure he's there and probably same person. I am obtaining a book of research done on James Bowers of Todd/Logan Co. area who turns out to be my ggg-grandfather's brother. I'm not sure what's in the book (she's now deceased) but am hoping she put in any notes about all Bowers she researched in the area. That would help! I will send for when I return from Houston so it'll be several weeks. If you don't hear about it from list postings, jog my memory about it. Hope some of this helps you...think I will post the census notes too but don't think there's anyone on the list working this area, or they've left the list. I definitely wish I wasn't having to work in so many states...my Bowers traveled more than I have! And, I never knew there were so many Bowers either. it's beginning to overwhelm my brain. TTYL. Donna

Is there any additional info on FamilyTreemaker? Colleen Pustola wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Once again I find myself having to do a mass mailing to my lists. I've > just received and confirmed, a message that I received through one of > the lists I maintain. Something is going on over at > familytreemaker.com, genforum.com and genealogy.com (Genealogy > Library). Admittedly, I don't quite have a full grasp of everything > that's happening, but something negative is DEFINITELY in the happening > and you need to be forewarned. > > If you have not subscribed, and are considering it ... please > INVESTIGATE FIRST! There are a ton of recent complaints at > <http://genforum.genealogy.com/genlibrary/>. > > Below is the message I received this morning and followed up on. You > might want to do the same: > > "Familytreemaker (FTM) (Genealogy.Com) is on the run. They are not > returning customers' emails and are not answering the phone. When they > do answer their phone, they promise to call back and don't. FTM is still > pushing their products by continuing to answer the sales line, but > neglecting existing customers by NOT answering the customer service > line. This is fundamental dishonesty. I believe FTM customers are within > their rights to use whatever means possible to get the attention of FTM. > I intend to hit them where it hurts until I receive a return phone > call. This will include brokerage houses and retail sales outlets and > genealogy societies and publishers. > > "I bought my Family Tree Maker software at Sam's. I intend to contact > every company I can find in thr FTM supply line, including distributors. > Also, contact every genealogical society and every genealogical > publication. Just so these people can read about it themselves, I'm > including the site addresses. > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/genlibrary/ > http://genforum.genealogy.com/genforum/ > > "Toy giant Mattel Inc. owns Genealogy.Com along with partners, A&E > Television Networks, Hearst Corp., Thomas H. Lee Partners, and Weston > Presidio Capital. The genealogy Web site was set by The Learning Co.'s > Broderbund unit. Call your broker. I smell another dot com business > failure, don't you?" > > Hugh > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > If you have comments to make to this message and elect to make them to > everyone, please be sure to start your subject line with CHAT: so that > those people electing not to read this thread can simply delete the > message. I will ask that you please read what's happening before you > make comments. > > Newbies, you especially need to be careful. The sites mentioned in this > mentioned have previously been reputable. They are the makers of a > major genealogy program you see in stores (FamilyTree Maker). > > I wish you all a marvelously magical Monday! :) > > Colleen > > ==== BOWER Mailing List ==== > Bower Cottage, sister site to the Bower Family Homestead, homesites of > the Bower research group -- http://bowercommunity.com/cottage