Patsy Yes that fits with the cemetery rec I found for Oscar + kathlyn. I have been working on your emails from the earliest till the newest one but probably should have looked at them the other way. I see you already found the John/James vernon Morgan family. Mary Ballensky is d/o Lon 1899-1968, s/o David I see why I couldn't find John Wesley in 1850. Is the David Deuser age 20 in 1870 cen w John + Jane a half-brother? OK I found them John Duser 12, David 0...he'd be 20 in 1870, Eliz 32, jacob 31, mary E 5 John Bottorff mar elizabeth Graves 29Mar1837 Clark Co IN Elizabeth Bottorff mar Jacob Deuser 11 May 1845 Clark Co IN (Graves is another one of my branches fr Rand Co NC Jane Graves w/o Randolph Boling d 1860 Was Co IN) In your research what details did you find that gave John W as s/o Martin?? Not to sound like a broken record...but I have no PROOF of Martin + Eliz Coons Pottorff issue. I've made up my group sheet fr circumstantial evidence. I "think" their son John mar Jane Gilbreath 1825. In 1818 Eliz Coons Pottorff was c 46yr old....possible...but how about this Jeff Township, Wash Co IN Cemetery:Old Rush Creek. My Henry + Dorcas, my John + Jemima here, also John William Bottorff b 23 Dec 1818 d 19 Feb 1885, husb of Lucinda Chambers 5Se1821, d 21Jul 1883 d/o John + Sarah Johnson Chambers (John + Sarah...also my anc). John + Lucinda had wm Benton, Sarah Jane+ Melinda Ellen. Death Rec of Wash Co In vol 1 1882-1950 Bottorff, John W 66yr, widower, farmer, d Jeff Townsp Apr 1885 (not same as tombstone) native of MD, s/o Andrew (that would be Andrew + Jane Hoke) Obit's Wash Co IN vol1:John W Bottorff Salem Democrat Feb 25,1885..Rev Samuel Bottoff fr nr New Albany was called to this place to pay the last tribute of respect to his brother John who d last Fri. and also John W Bottorff b 23Dec1818 d 19Feb1885 husb of Lucinda chambers m 28Sep 1841 and Salem democrat 25Feb1885 Uncle Johnny Bottorff buried Rush Creek Ceme on the 21st after a very appropriate funeral service by Bro John Fultz. He was confined to bed only a few days w pneumonia. His wife preceeded him about 18 months, since which time he had severly mourned her loss, seeming to have no pleasure in life, which is thought to have at least partially caused his early demise .(note probably the s/o Andrew + Jane Hoke Bottorff. There are 3 pages of Andrew obits. They list a son JOhn but no Samuel. Is Samuel , John's biological brother or spiritual Brother like John Fultz?? I have a Samuel Bottorff mar Sarah Crank Was Co IN 1846 which I can't ID either. Samuel was b 1825 KY. Martin + Eliz Coons had 2 more sons 1810-20 which I have no clue. Andrew didn't come to Wash county till 1821. He had a son John but nothing more in his obit about John. I've always assigned John William to Andrew but never read carefully that one obit about brother samuel. I've looked and looked and can't find John + Lucinda in 1850. have you?? I've got him in 60+70 Cindy Holsapple-Boone **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)