Hi Cindy (and anyone else here), Here is further on what I have found in the past year since my last update. I am convinced that George W in Owen Twp, Jackson County who married Sallie Bottorff (d/o of John Bottorff and Jane, listed in 1860-1800 censuses) is the same as the son of Nicholas Bottorff of Washington County, Indiana as listed in 1850 census. I know from his grave that George W (it was Washington btw, and not William) that he was born in 1834, which Nicholas census has him born 1836. And there are some family trees out there that claim Nicholas' George W married someone else and stayed in Washington County. This I am not sure of. I am certain, without direct proof yet, that they are the same G W's. Now I would not mind knowing who John Bottorff's parents are, he was born about 1801 in Kentucky, Might be Martin's? I dunno. There are, again, other family trees on ancestry that has the John born on 8 Aug 1802 married to others. Would be nice to know how close cousins George W and Sallie really were. my best -Ray P.S. If anyone is interested in my tree to add to their own, please contact me, I am happy to help. From: Ray Bottorff Jr <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BOTTORFF] John Martin Bottorff's parents/grandparents Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 23:34:16 -0500 (EST) References: <[email protected]> In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> Thanks Cindy, I am convinced through strong circumstantial evidence that John Martin Bottorff, born in Jackson County, Indiana about 1873, parents were George W Bottorff and Sallie, as shown in the Owen Township, Indiana census records living there in 1880. I am also convinced that John Martin's wife Rebecca Fredona Clark' mother's last name was Motsinger and Rebecca was listed in the 1880 census as Cedona Clark, a granddaughter living with her grandfather and grandmother William and Amanda Motsinger (1876 birthdate is right). Someone was kind enough to point out that in the 1870 census, George W Bottorff and WIlliam Motsinger both lived about 5 doors down from each other in Jackson County. The families knew each other and would explain John and Rebecca's later, uh, hook-up. This info does gives me a clue where to look in the local birth, marriage, death, and land records to confirm this connection, but I am pretty convinced based on this indirect connection. George W and Sallie is listed as Bartoff and living next door to Martin Bartoff (near same age as George W) and next door to John and Jane Bartoff in the 1870 Census. George W, listed as Pottorff, living again next door to John and Jane Pottorff and Martin Pottorff a few doors away in the 1860 census. John and Jane are consistently listed as being born in Kentucky in 1800 and 1801 respectfully. However, I have doubts that Martin or George W are the children of John and Jane because John and Jane are listed as Bottorff in the 1850 census in the same county, however, neither Martin or George W are listed as children (though they would have been young teenagers both). Maybe John and Jean are aunts/uncles or extended cousins along with Martin. So I think I have moved the family tree one generation back for the Bottorff's. But now my question as to who the parents are move to George W and Sallie (aka Sarah). By the way, I am fairly convinced that the W in George's name is for William and not Washington. Well the help here and elsewhere is giving me clues where to go next and maybe I will find those links to the main Bottorff branch yet. I would encourage all those Bottorff's in Indiana to consider trying to find the answers to the holes in research for all the Bottorff's from Jackson and Lawrence counties. There seems to be a lot of Bottorffs (Battorff, Buttorff, Pottorff, Bartoff, et al) in those areas of the state listed in 1850-1930 census records simply not accounted for in the various Bottorff genealogical trees I have seen to date. I hope I am helping fill in some of that! :-) Thanks again Cindy and everyone else so far with their help! my best -Ray Bottorff Jr -----Original Message----- From: CindyHB <[email protected]> To: bottorff <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [BOTTORFF] John Martin Bottorff's parents/grandparents Ray I have Va Faust Batdorf's book. The only John Martin in it is MY ancestor. There isn't any Rebecca F Clark either. However I have another idea for you to explore.Washington Co IN. My Anc were Martin Pottorrff & Elizabeth Coons. They had a son Nicholas who d in Wash Co 1875. He had a son George W b c 1836. I have never found proof but have wondered if this George W is the one that marr Sarah E Bottorff, d/o John & Jane (Gilbreath????) The John & Jean that you mentioned...could fit for John & Jane. . I have spent decades trying to document Martin & Eliz issue with little proof. the group sheet I've put together is mostly circumstantial.....but includes this John as martins child. Hope this gives you some clues to help Cindy Holsapple-Boone