I may have a copy here and will check. I do have info on history though and will post it later tonight. Gail In a message dated 12/7/2010 9:43:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Have you tried the "Batdorf Family History" by Viginia Faust Batdirf? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bottorff Jr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [BOTTORFF] John Martin Bottorff's parents/grandparents > > Hoping to pick up on posts my brother Jay posted in the late 1990s and > 2000s... some more detail which I hope generates a response here: > > > I am looking for my Great-Grandfather's parents and hopefully > Grandparents. Once I get this I can tie the rest of the family into the > existing Bottorff family tree. > > Here is the info. > > John Martin Bottorff > Born Sept 1873 near Cliuspeing, Indiana, died sometime in the 1950s or > early 1960s in Bedford, Indiana. > Shows up in the 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census, last name appears to > have been misspelled, Buttorff or Battorff on some of them. > > Maybe, maybe appears as John M Buttorff in the 1880 census (being born in > 1871), with parents George and Sallie. > > (However Sallie shows later up with daughter Margaret (or Nettie in 1900 > and 1910 census as a widow as Sarah Buttorff. Margaret, as Margaret > Buttorff living with sister known then as Amanda E Norman in 1920 census. > Margaret is in the Madison State Hospital institution as Bottorff in the > 1930 census...therefore clouding what name John Martin was born under > originally, if this is the same John Martin). > > John married Rebecca Fredona Clark, Feb 28, 1891 (named Rebcoa Fredona and > Fredona R and Rebecca in 1900 - 1930 censuses). No able to locate her any > earlier in the census, but family legend states she was Cherokee Indiana > adopted into the Clark family. However all census records list her as > white. > > John and Rebecca had the following children: > > Harry Oscar (23 Mar 1892 - 16 Sep 1903) > Otis William (18 Dec 1896 - 1964), married Flora B about 1917 > Ethel M (Oct 1899 - 20 Apr 1988), married and divorced a Mr. Lee between > the 1920 and 1930 census, had children Mary Maxin Lee (b 1923) and Barbara > Lee (b 1925) > Cecil K (9 Jun 1902 - 13 Feb 1977) married Flossie Lee (1905-1990) and had > at least two children, Robert E (1922-2004) and Mary Lou (1933-2004). Mary > used to be active in genealogical circles up to her death and had contact > with my brother who started this research in the 1990s. > Opal V (about 1907 - ?) > and my grandfather: > Walter Edgar (19 Dec 1912 - 2 Dec 1949) married Inez Edith Luukkonen and > fathered > Clark Richard (1941 - ), Rodney Ralph (1942 - ), Ray Sheldon (my dad, > 1945 - ), Arlen Otto (1946 - ), and Martin Lamont (1949 - ) > > I am hoping some has a link to John Martin in their own trees, maybe some > of those who are distant cousins have better historical contact with John > Martin and know more of his past. My grandfather dying so young cut my > family off from that side of the family tree and therefore its history, > except what my grandmother could remember. > > So if anyone has any info, please reply! > > Thanks! > my best > Ray Bottorff Jr > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Very Much Gail! I appreciate all help! Here is some further info I have put together int he past couple of weeks... I have become convinced John Martin's parents are George W and Sallie. A John M is shown to be living with them in the 1880 as George W and Sallie Buttorff (the birth year is off by a couple years though) in Owen Twp, Jackson County, Indiana. In that same census is a female names Cedona Clark living in Jackson county with her grandfather William Motsinger. George W and Sallie show up previously in the 1870 census as Bartoff (y'know I love my name but census takers apparently did not. John Martin is listed as Bottorff, Buttorff, and Battorff in later censuses too). It is them because the initials given to the children in the home match the names on the 1880 census. About 5 doors down in the 1870 census, is WIlliam Motsinger and his family. Also in 1870, George & Sallie live next door to a 70 year old John Bartoff and 69 year old Jean Bartoff (both born in Kentucky, 1800 and 1801 appx). Next to them is a Martin Bartoff and family. The age makes me think George is John and Jean's son along with Martin. In the 1860 census, George and Sallie is still listed next to John and Jean, but as Pottorff (sheesh!). Martin is living in the area still but not next door (one census page back, lol). But what throws doubt into the John and Jean as parents of George or Martin is the 1850 census. John and Jean, listed as Bottorff, show up in that census with all their kids, and no George nor Martin appear, though either would be of age to still be with their parents. it is probably they are family, but not children/parents. Doubly to my frustration is the lack of information online for my line of Bottorff's. There are plenty of research into the Bottorff's of Clark County, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania. A huge hole for the number of Bottorff's in Jackson and Lawrence counties. its not helped I think by the lack in genealogical interest from my extended cousin families living there! Maybe this is the start of a change in fortunes? :-) my best -Ray -----Original Message----- From: GWATK98 <[email protected]> To: bottorff <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Dec 19, 2010 1:10 pm Subject: Re: [BOTTORFF] John Martin Bottorff's parents/grandparents I may have a copy here and will check. I do have info on history though and will post it later tonight. Gail In a message dated 12/7/2010 9:43:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Have you tried the "Batdorf Family History" by Viginia Faust Batdirf? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bottorff Jr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [BOTTORFF] John Martin Bottorff's parents/grandparents > > Hoping to pick up on posts my brother Jay posted in the late 1990s and > 2000s... some more detail which I hope generates a response here: > > > I am looking for my Great-Grandfather's parents and hopefully > Grandparents. Once I get this I can tie the rest of the family into the > existing Bottorff family tree. > > Here is the info. > > John Martin Bottorff > Born Sept 1873 near Cliuspeing, Indiana, died sometime in the 1950s or > early 1960s in Bedford, Indiana. > Shows up in the 1900, 1910, 1920, and 1930 census, last name appears to > have been misspelled, Buttorff or Battorff on some of them. > > Maybe, maybe appears as John M Buttorff in the 1880 census (being born in > 1871), with parents George and Sallie. > > (However Sallie shows later up with daughter Margaret (or Nettie in 1900 > and 1910 census as a widow as Sarah Buttorff. Margaret, as Margaret > Buttorff living with sister known then as Amanda E Norman in 1920 census. > Margaret is in the Madison State Hospital institution as Bottorff in the > 1930 census...therefore clouding what name John Martin was born under > originally, if this is the same John Martin). > > John married Rebecca Fredona Clark, Feb 28, 1891 (named Rebcoa Fredona and > Fredona R and Rebecca in 1900 - 1930 censuses). No able to locate her any > earlier in the census, but family legend states she was Cherokee Indiana > adopted into the Clark family. However all census records list her as > white. > > John and Rebecca had the following children: > > Harry Oscar (23 Mar 1892 - 16 Sep 1903) > Otis William (18 Dec 1896 - 1964), married Flora B about 1917 > Ethel M (Oct 1899 - 20 Apr 1988), married and divorced a Mr. Lee between > the 1920 and 1930 census, had children Mary Maxin Lee (b 1923) and Barbara > Lee (b 1925) > Cecil K (9 Jun 1902 - 13 Feb 1977) married Flossie Lee (1905-1990) and had > at least two children, Robert E (1922-2004) and Mary Lou (1933-2004). Mary > used to be active in genealogical circles up to her death and had contact > with my brother who started this research in the 1990s. > Opal V (about 1907 - ?) > and my grandfather: > Walter Edgar (19 Dec 1912 - 2 Dec 1949) married Inez Edith Luukkonen and > fathered > Clark Richard (1941 - ), Rodney Ralph (1942 - ), Ray Sheldon (my dad, > 1945 - ), Arlen Otto (1946 - ), and Martin Lamont (1949 - ) > > I am hoping some has a link to John Martin in their own trees, maybe some > of those who are distant cousins have better historical contact with John > Martin and know more of his past. My grandfather dying so young cut my > family off from that side of the family tree and therefore its history, > except what my grandmother could remember. > > So if anyone has any info, please reply! > > Thanks! > my best > Ray Bottorff Jr > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message