There is a family inquiry posted at the Bottorff Family Guestbook http://pub18.bravenet.com/guestbook/show.php?usernum=1502621985 if any of you can help. Steve -- Sharpening Made Easy: A Primer on Sharpening Knives and Other Edged Tools by Steve Bottorff Copyright January 2002 Knife World Publications www.sharpeningmadeeasy.com