> >Can anyone tell me what Boston census enumeration district Southern Ave was >a part of in 1900 and 1910? Also, was this in or near the Dorchester area? > >Thanks. Hello, -Southern Ave is in ED 1639 or 1934 for the 1910 census. It is located in the Codman Square section of Dorchester. Sometimes called Dorchester Center. -Just today a 1910 census street index for Boston and a number of other cities was posted at this site: <http://www.stevemorse.org/census/index.html> Regards, Paul Annapolis, Maryland

Can anyone tell me what Boston census enumeration district Southern Ave was a part of in 1900 and 1910? Also, was this in or near the Dorchester area? Thanks.

ot a surprize to us geneaologists lol. this applies to small irish ,new england,english ,italian,american towns and onclaves where small groups lived or live jim This also can be why some diseases runs thru families and not others > Go Ahead, Kiss Your Cousin Heck, marry her if you want to By Richard Conniff DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 08 | August 2003 In Paris in 1876 a 31-year-old banker named Albert took an 18-year-old named Bettina as his wife. Both were Rothschilds, and they were cousins. According to conventional notions about inbreeding, their marriage ought to have been a prescription for infertility and enfeeblement. In fact, Albert and Bettina went on to produce seven children, and six of them lived to be adults. Moreover, for generations the Rothschildfamily had been inbreeding almost as intensively as European royalty, without apparent ill effect. Despite his own limited gene pool, Albert, for instance, was an outdoorsman and the seventh person ever to climb the Matterhorn. The American du Ponts practiced the same strategy of cousin marriage for a century. Charles Darwin, the grandchild of first cousins, married a first cousin. So did Albert Einstein. In our lore, cousin marriages are unnatural, the province of hillbillies and swamp rats, not Rothschilds and Darwins. In the United States they are deemed such a threat to mental health that 31 states have outlawed first-cousin marriages. This phobia is distinctly American, a heritage of early evolutionists with misguided notions about the upward march of human societies. Their fear was that cousin marriages would cause us to breed our way back to frontier savagery—or worse. "You can't marry your first cousin," a character declares in the 1982 play Brighton Beach Memoirs. "You get babies with nine heads." So when a team of scientists led by Robin L. Bennett, a genetic counselor at the University of Washington and the president of the National Society of Genetic Counselors, announced that cousin marriages are not significantly riskier than any other marriage, it made the front page of The New York Times. The study, published in the Journal of Genetic Counseling last year, determined that children of first cousins face about a 2 to 3 percent higher risk of birth defects than the population at large. To put it another way, first-cousin marriages entail roughly the same increased risk of abnormality that a woman undertakes when she gives birth at 41 rather than at 30. Banning cousin marriages makes about as much sense, critics argue, as trying to ban childbearing by older women. But the nature of cousin marriage is far more surprising than recent publicity has suggested. A closer look reveals that moderate inbreeding has always been the rule, not the exception, for humans. Inbreeding is also commonplace in the natural world, and contrary to our expectations, some biologists argue that this can be a very good thing. It depends in part on the degree of inbreeding. Can you marry a cousin? Laws governing the marriage of first cousins vary widely. In 24 states (pink), such marriages are illegal. In 19 states (green), first cousins are permitted to wed. Seven states (peach) allow first-cousin marriage but with conditions. Maine, for instance, requires genetic counseling; some states say yes only if one partner is sterile. North Carolina prohibits marriage only for double first cousins. Got that? Map by Matt Zang Source: cousincouples.com and Cuddle International. The idea that inbreeding might sometimes be beneficial is clearly contrarian. So it's important to acknowledge first that inbreeding can sometimes also go horribly wrong—and in ways that, at first glance, make our stereotypes about cousin marriage seem completely correct. In the Yorkshire city of Bradford, in England, for instance, a majority of the large Pakistani community can trace their origins to the village of Mirpur in Kashmir, which was inundated by a new dam in the 1960s. Cousin marriages have been customary in Kashmir for generations, and more than 85 percent of Bradford's Pakistanis marry their cousins. Local doctors are seeing sharp spikes in the number of children with serious genetic disabilities, and each case is its own poignant tragedy. One couple was recently raising two apparently healthy children. Then, when they were 5 and 7, both were diagnosed with neural degenerative disease in the same week. The children are now slowly dying. Neural degenerative diseases are eight times more common in Bradford than in the rest of the United Kingdom. The great hazard of inbreeding is that it can result in the unmasking of deleterious recessives, to use the clinical language of geneticists. Each of us carries an unknown number of genes—an individual typically has between five and seven—capable of killing our children or grandchildren. These so-called lethal recessives are associated with diseases like cystic fibrosis and sickle-cell anemia. Most lethal genes never get expressed unless we inherit the recessive form of the gene from both our mother and father. But when both parents come from the same gene pool, their children are more likely to inherit two recessives. So how do scientists reconcile the experience in Bradford with the relatively moderate level of risk reported in the Journal of Genetic Counseling? How did Rothschilds or Darwins manage to marry their cousins with apparent impunity? Above all, how could any such marriages ever possibly be beneficial? The traditional view of human inbreeding was that we did it, in essence, because we could not get the car on Saturday night. Until the past century, families tended to remain in the same area for generations, and men typically went courting no more than about five miles from home—the distance they could walk out and back on their day off from work. As a result, according to Robin Fox, a professor of anthropology at Rutgers University, it's likely that 80 percent of all marriages in history have been between second cousins or closer. Global Inbreeding Researchers who study inbreeding track consanguineous marriages—those between second cousins or closer. In green countries, at least 20 percent and, in some cases, more than 50 percent of marriages fall into this category. Pink countries report 1 to 10 percent consanguinity; peach-colored countries, less than 1 percent. Data is unavailable for white countries. Map by Matt Zang Map reproduced with the permission of A.H. Bittles. Factors other than mere proximity can make inbreeding attractive. Pierre-Samuel du Pont, founder of an American dynasty that believed in inbreeding, hinted at these factors when he told his family: "The marriages that I should prefer for our colony would be between the cousins. In that way we should be sure of honesty of soul and purity of blood." He got his wish, with seven cousin marriages in the family during the 19th century. Mayer Amschel Rothschild, founder of the banking family, likewise arranged his affairs so that cousin marriages among his descendants were inevitable. His will barred female descendants from any direct inheritance. Without an inheritance, female Rothschilds had few possible marriage partners of the same religion and suitable economic and social stature—except other Rothschilds. Rothschild brides bound the family together. Four of Mayer's granddaughters married grandsons, and one married her uncle. These were hardly people whose mate choice was limited by the distance they could walk on their day off. Some families have traditionally chosen inbreeding as the best strategy for success because it offers at least three highly practical benefits. First, such marriages make it likelier that a shared set of cultural values will pass down intact to the children. Second, cousin marriages make it more likely that spouses will be compatible, particularly in an alien environment. Such marriages may be even more attractive for Pakistanis in Bradford, England, than back home in Kashmir. Intermarriage decreases the divorce rate and enhances the independence of wives, who retain the support of familiar friends and relatives. Among the 19th-century du Ponts, for instance, women had an equal vote with men in family meetings. Finally, marrying cousins minimizes the need to break up family wealth from one generation to the next. The rich have frequently chosen inbreeding as a means to keep estates intact and consolidate power. Moderate inbreeding may also produce biological benefits. Contrary to lore, cousin marriages may do even better than ordinary marriages by the standard Darwinian measure of success, which is reproduction. A 1960 study of first-cousin marriages in 19th-century England done by C. D. Darlington, a geneticist at Oxford University, found that inbred couples produced twice as many great-grandchildren as did their outbred counterparts. Consider, for example, the marriage of Albert and Bettina Rothschild. Their children were descended from a genetic pool of just 24 people (beginning with family founders Mayer Amschel and Gutle Rothschild), and more than three-fifths of them were born Rothschilds. In a family that had not inbred, the same children would have 38 ancestors. Because of inbreeding, they were directly descended no fewer than six times each from Mayer and Gutle Rothschild. If our subconscious Darwinian agenda is to get as much of our genome as possible into future generations, then inbreeding clearly provided a genetic benefit for Mayer and Gutle. And for their descendants? How could the remarkably untroubled reproductive experience of intermarried Rothschilds differ so strikingly from that of intermarried families in Bradford? The consequences of inbreeding are unpredictable and depend largely on what biologists call the founder effect: If the founding couple pass on a large number of lethal recessives, as appears to have happened in Bradford, these recessives will spread and double up through intermarriage. If, however, Mayer and Gutle Rothschild handed down a comparatively healthy genome, their descendants could safely intermarry for generations—at least until small deleterious effects inevitably began to pile up and produce inbreeding depression, a long-term decline in the well-being of a family or a species. A founding couple can also pass on advantageous genes. Among animal populations, generations of inbreeding frequently lead to the development of coadapted gene complexes, suites of genetic traits that tend to be inherited together. These traits may confer special adaptations to a local environment, like resistance to disease. The evidence for such benefits in humans is slim, perhaps in part because any genetic advantages conferred by inbreeding may be too small or too gradual to detect. Alan Bittles, a professor of human biology at Edith Cowan University in Australia, points out that there's a dearth of data on the subject of genetic disadvantages too. Not until some rare disorder crops up in a place like Bradford do doctors even notice intermarriage. Something disturbingly eugenic about the idea of better-families-through-inbreeding also causes researchers to look away. Oxford historian Niall Ferguson, author of The House of Rothschild, speculates that that there may have been "a Rothschild 'gene for financial acumen,' which intermarriage somehow helped to perpetuate. Perhaps it was that which made the Rothschilds truly exceptional." But he quickly dismisses this as "unlikely." At the same time, humans are perfectly comfortable with the idea that inbreeding can produce genetic benefits for domesticated animals. When we want a dog with the points to take Best in Show at Madison Square Garden, we often get it by taking individuals displaying the desired traits and "breeding them back" with their close kin. Researchers have observed that animals in the wild may also attain genetic benefits from inbreeding. Ten mouse colonies may set up housekeeping in a field but remain separate. The dominant male in each colony typically inbreeds with his kin. His genes rapidly spread through the colony—the founder effect again—and each colony thus becomes a little different from the others, with double recessives proliferating for both good and ill effects. When the weather changes or some deadly virus blows through, one colony may end up better adapted to the new circumstances than the other nine, which die out. Inbreeding may help explain why insects can develop resistance almost overnight to pesticides like DDT: The resistance first shows up as a recessive trait in one obscure family line. Inbreeding, with its cascade of double recessives, causes the trait to be expressed in every generation of this family—and under the intense selective pressure of DDT, this family of resistant insects survives and proliferates. Click on the image to enlarge (184k) The Inbred Rothschild Family This picture gallery portrays members of five generations of the legendary Rothschild banking family, beginning with founder Mayer Amschel and his wife, Gutle. In an effort to build the fortune he had created, Mayer wrote a will that made intermarriage lucrative for his offspring. They took his point and frequently inbred: Cousins began marrying cousins, and in one case, a niece wed her uncle. Albert considered marrying only two women, both cousins. He chose Bettina, with whom he had seven children. Subsequent generations began to outbreed more frequently. ©XPLANE.com® The obvious problem with this contrarian argument is that so many animals seem to go out of their way to avoid inbreeding. Field biologists have often observed that animals reared together from an early age become imprinted on one another and lack mutual sexual interest as adults; they have an innate aversion to homegrown romance. But what they are avoiding, according to William Shields, a biologist at the State University of New York College of Environmental Science and Forestry at Syracuse, is merely incest, the most extreme form of inbreeding, not inbreeding itself. He argues that normal patterns of dispersal actually encourage inbreeding. When young birds leave the nest, for instance, they typically move four or five home ranges away, not 10 or 100; that is, they stay within breeding distance of their cousins. Intense loyalty to a home territory helps keep a population healthy, according to Shields, because it encourages "optimal inbreeding." This elusive ideal is the point at which a population gets the benefit of adaptations to local habitat—the coadapted gene complexes—without the hazardous unmasking of recessive disorders. In some cases, outbreeding can be the real hazard. A study conducted by E. L. Brannon, an ecologist at the University of Idaho, looked at two separate populations of sockeye salmon, one breeding where a river entered a lake, the other where it exited. Salmon fry at the inlet evolved to swim downstream to the lake. The ones at the outlet evolved to swim upstream. When researchers crossed the populations, they ended up with salmon young too confused to know which way to go. In the wild, such a hybrid population might lose half or more of its fry and soon vanish. It is, of course, a long way from sockeye salmon and inbred insects to human mating behavior. But Patrick Bateson, a professor of ethology at Cambridge University, argues that outbreeding has at times been hazardous for humans too. For instance, the size and shape of our teeth is a strongly inherited trait. So is jaw size and shape. But the two traits aren't inherited together. If a woman with small jaws and small teeth marries a man with big jaws and big teeth, their grandchildren may end up with a mouthful of gnashers in a Tinkertoy jaw. Before dentistry was commonplace, Bateson adds, "ill-fitting teeth were probably a serious cause of mortality because it increased the likelihood of abscesses in the mouth." Marrying a cousin was one way to avoid a potentially lethal mismatch. Bateson suggests that while youngsters imprinting on their siblings lose sexual interest in one another they may also gain a search image for a mate—someone who's not a sibling but like a sibling. Studies have shown that people overwhelmingly choose spouses similar to themselves, a phenomenon called assortative mating. The similarities are social, psychological, and physical, even down to traits like earlobe length. Cousins, Bateson says, perfectly fit this human preference for "slight novelty." So where does this leave us? No scientist is advocating intermarriage, but the evidence indicates that we should at least moderate our automatic disdain for it. One unlucky woman, whom Robin Bennett encountered in the course of her research, recalled the reaction when she became pregnant after living with her first cousin for two years. Her gynecologist professed horror, told her the baby "would be sick all the time," and advised her to have an abortion. Her boyfriend's mother, who was also her aunt, "went nuts, saying that our baby would be retarded." The woman had an abortion, which she now calls "the worst mistake of my life." Science is increasingly able to help such people look at their own choices more objectively. Genetic and metabolic tests can now screen for about 100 recessive disorders. In the past, families in Bradford rarely recognized genetic origins of causes of death or patterns of abnormality. The likelihood of stigma within the community or racism from without also made people reluctant to discuss such problems. But new tests have helped change that. Last year two siblings in Bradford were hoping to intermarry their children despite a family history of thalassemia, a recessive blood disorder that is frequently fatal before the age of 30. After testing determined which of the children carried the thalassemia gene, the families were able to arrange a pair of carrier-to-noncarrier first-cousin marriages. Such planning may seem complicated. It may even be the sort of thing that causes Americans, with their entrenched dread of inbreeding, to shudder. But the needs of both culture and medicine were satisfied, and an observer could only conclude that the urge to marry cousins must be more powerful, and more deeply rooted, than we yet understand. > Web sites devoted to the topic of consanguinity and cousin marriages abound, with approaches ranging from academic to activist: <A HREF="http://www.consang.net/">www.consang.net</A>, <A HREF="http://www.cousincouples.com/"> www.cousincouples.com</A>, and <A HREF="http://www.cuddleinternational.org/">www.cuddleinternational.org</A>. > > > Be the first to >rate this article.</A> > >

I have always sent requests previously wanting info specifically on my Patrick. I have decided to try and map all McNabb (and variations) in the County Down area to try and better understand the placement of McNabb families and where mine fits in. I know, and consider distant cousins, two current McNabb/MacNabb families in County Down and wish to place them in the map as well. I have already used the IGI and family resource files (which I know can be incorrect) as well as using the IrishTimes.com to show placement within County Down of those residences. I have looked at Freeholder Records at PRONI, through Plantation lists, and someone kind volunteer has sent me all the graveyard inscriptions from indexes that she could find. I have written some of the McNabbs of County Down and have just written one's here in the states that I have traced their grandparents from Portaferry to specific locations in the US. I will do research at Kew (London), Belfast, and Dublin next summer again, but would really love it if anyone could add information so I have more to go on while I'm there. Do you have a McNabb, McNab, MacNab, MacNabb (you can also add a K before the N, have seen two wills in Northern Ireland like that) in your family that was either in County Down (or the immediate surrounding area, such as Belfast) or had roots in County Down*? If so, whether it just be who they married, when they died, where they lived, burial location, parents names, children's names, dates - ANY information would be appreciated! *I have traced Portaferry McNabbs to the following locations: a. Richard McNabb - died 1940 - Portland, Maine, USA b. James McNabb - died 1911 South Shields, New Castle Upon Tyne, England c. Ann (Shiels) McNabb - died 1901 in New Castle Upont Tyne, England d. Georgina McNabb - died 1942 in Stone, Straffordshire, England e. George Neil McNabb - died 1898 in London, England f. Various McNabbs - Boston, Massachussetts, USA g. John McNabb - died 1863 in Belfast h. Joseph McNabb - died 17 JUN 1943 - St. Dominic's, Kentish Town, London, England (also known as Father Vincent McNabb, Catholic Dominican Priest, has several books published). i. Annie McNabb - born in Belfast in 1873, died 1943 in Brewood, Staffordshire, England j. Laurence McNabb - died 1926 in South Shields, England Other County Down McNabbs: a. Patrick McNab - died between 1850 and 1860 (born around 1775) in Ontario County, New York, USA b. Mary (Murphy) McNab - died between 1850 and 1960 (born around 1790) in OC, New York, USA c. Patrick McNabb (son of above) - born 1826 in County Down, came to the US in 1844, died 1913 in Petersburg, Indiana, USA d. John William McNabb (actually born in Glasgow, Scotland on 23 JUN 1831) moved to Bangor, County Down and married a Jane Kennedy, they had two children that I know of. One, a Daniel Archibald McNabb later moved to South Dakota, USA, where he died on 8 DEC 1928 (in Newark, Marshall County). A special note to the London-L list members. If Father Vincent McNabb looks familiar to you and you have any info on him, please do share. I do believe I am a portaferry McNabb, and even if I'm not, my distant cousins in Downpatrick (originally from Portaferry) would love any info on him. I have already purchased one of his books, and a book written on him. Collecting anything about him. Thanks. Thanks for reading this long message everyone! This email is being sent to four different countries, and I send greetings to all of you from Cincinnati, Ohio, USA! LeeAnn McNabb (an Indiana McNabb, of County Down origin)

Thank you to everyone who offered help and suggestions to my query. A kind researcher was able to locate the obituary for me and mailed it to me. As a result I was able to not only fill in blanks in my research, but was able to reconnect with family who had become estranged 85 years ago. Thanks again. Greg From: "Greg Nordlund" <gregnordlund@hotmail.com> To: BOSTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BOSTON] Thomas Preston obit Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:53:05 -0800 I am trying to locate a copy of an obituary for Thomas Preston, b. 20-JUN-1917 - d. 11-MAY-1970. The MA death index indicates that he died in Boston, but the Social Security index lists the Westford area. Would deaths in Westford be included in the Globe or would there be a local paper I should look into? Also, if someone finds themselves around some Boston Globe microfilm and can take a few minutes to look for the obituary, I'd be grateful. (I'd order the death certificate or SSI application, but I'm not sure this is the right person.) Any help or advice would be appreciated. Greg Nordlund Olympia, WA _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com

Am trying to find Josephine Skidmore and her 4 sons, John D., George S. Louis J., and Albert Delatour (my Grandfather). The 1880 U.S.Census has the family living in Ward 16 Precinct 1, Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts. I have been told that the residence was on Tremont Stree.. The census also shows George F. Seymour also living at this residence but I do not know whether he was a border or "living in sin". Richard P.Knox(rrrick069@yahoo.com) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now

Florrie Sollitt immigrated  in 1900 to the U.S. from Leeds England where she was born in 1887.  She was found in the 1910 U.S. census (age 23) living in Peekskill Village, Cortlandt Township, Westchester County, New York State. She was a nurse then.  The was later working as "matron in charge" at the Carney Hospital in South Boston.  She should have been there in 1920 and possibly 1930 census period. Any help would be great. Thank you, Bill _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Am trying to connect Walter Harvey Knox/Helen Boyd to the Knox family from Milton, NH. Walter was born 11/06/1866 and Married on 07/03/1890 in Cambridgeport, Ma. to Helen Boyd born 05/11/1868. Unknown is where Helen was born and who were her parents. Walter Harvey was the son of Asa Woodman Knox and Mary Abbie Chick. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now

In a message dated 11/25/2003 10:42:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, CARADOC28@aol.com writes: > > MaryCARROLL or CARLON 1791abt@Ireland-19 Jun 1861@70,Disease of Heart,17 > Williams St. > Boston Ma.-rs@Ireland1791abt-rs@17 Williams St. Boston Ma.1861- > jim > > anyone got this mary CARROLL OR CARLON

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Hi all, Where would I send for an 1887/88 adoption record from Boston, MA? Also, where would I send for a name change for the above adoption? Thank you, Bobbi > From: Ray <rays-place@rays-place.com> > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:55:45 -0500 > To: BOSTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BOSTON] New Files online > Resent-From: BOSTON-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:55:46 -0700 > > The following have just been added to my web site at: > http://www.rays-place.com > > Coventry, CT > The Winchester Cemetery in Coventry has been added, supplied by Frank > Grimes. Frank has typed up more cemeteries in Coventry and they will be > added after my vacaton. > File Location: > http://www.rays-place.com/index-c.html > > Boston, MA > The Marriages for 1716 to 1719 have been added to the Marriages. These > will be merged into the big file that now covers 1680 to 1715 when I > have a couple more years typed up to add. > Location: > http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/boston/index.htm > > Andover, MA > Vital Records to 1850 typed by Frances LaMarco > All Births and Marriages to surnames starting with the letter J are > online at: > http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/andover/index.htm > > Cambridge, MA > Vital Records to 1850 typed by Coralynn Brown > The births for Surnames through the letter G are online at: > http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/cambridge/index.htm > > I will be away from Sunday to the 1st week in Dec. so please leave any > questions about these ultil after that time. > > Cheers > Ray Brown > > > ==== BOSTON Mailing List ==== > Search 20+ years of the Boston Globe 1979-2002: > http://www.boston.com/globe/search/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Looking for the children and families of parents John MACKENZIE (b.c.1848) and Ellen MOFFITT (1850-1935 in Boston). Father John died in 1898 in a mining accident in Colorado. His wife lived with various daughters who had married in Boston. Daughter Sarah (b. 1875) married James HAYDEN; dau. Mary (b. 1877) married William Worcester RAMSAY; dau. Catherine married Oliver GORDON; Harriet (b. 1883) married a Mr. HORTON; Edna (b. 1886) married 25 Jun 1913 Francis William THOMPSON (d. Nov. 1961); Mabel married Neil MACKINNON. The mother of these daughters lived with her daughter Edna THOMPSON until her death in 1935 in the Boston "area". Any advice or information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

My wife¹s grandmother¹s sister Catherine ³Kate² (MacKenzie) GORDON (b. 1878, PEI) lived in Boston from 1903 to her death in December 1958. Her husband Oliver Purl Gordon (known as ŒPurl¹) died in March 1948. ³Kate supported parts of her extended family by keeping a rooming house at 91 Waltham Street in downtown Boston; had row houses (side by each), with 6 or 8 rooms that she managed.² This information is part of an old family letter that I found recently. Can anyone suggest how I could investigate this residence? Are there directories? Does the house still exist?

Hello, Yesterday someone on the Quebec and Canada-Immigrants Lists posted a query and mentioned the FANUEIL or FANEUIL surname. They commented on the many spellings of the surname, and on the many pronunciations of the name. This, of course, reminded me of "Fanueil Hall" in Boston. :o) (How do you pronounce it?) Out of curiousity, I did a search for "Fanueil Hall" and was disappointed to find only 2 or 3 web sites which mentioned whom the Hall is named after. So far, I have found out that it was first erected by Peter FANUEIL (FANEUIL) who was a merchant in Boston in the early 1700's. He was born in New Rochelle, NY, in 1700, and his parents were "French Huguenots." I found out he had inherited his wealth from his uncle, Andrew FANUEIL. But, I saw no mention of who Peter's parents were. Of course there are several web sites which discuss "Fanueil Hall" and some show pictures of it, and offer a short history of it. But, I found only one or two sites which mentioned Peter FANUEIL. So, I tried a different search for just "FANUEIL" or "FANEUIL" and there were only a few more sites. What was very surprising is there are no Message Boards or Mailing Lists for this surname (any spelling). And, only one person with this surname is mentioned on the LDS web site, Benjamin FANEUIL, b1706, of MA. Since Peter was born in 1700 and Benjamin was born in 1706 and both were Merchants in Boston, I am wondering if they were brothers. When I posted a query to the Quebec and Canada-Immigrants Lists, someone wrote to suggest that I search the Archives of the Huguenots List. I did that this morning, and I have just received a mini-education. The term, French Huguenots, merely refers to "French Protestants" who had to leave France in the 1600's, etc., to avoid .. religious persecution. They settled in several different areas of North America. But, one group settled in .. New Rochelle, NY, and founded that town. It appears that Peter and Benjamin FANUEIL (sp?) (brothers?) might have moved to Boston, MA, as young men, possibly in the 1720's. And, with money behind them, they became successful merchants. On quick search, I am not finding any information at all about wives and children for them. However, there was a Benjamin FANUEIL in Waltham, MA, after 1800. I have just joined the Huguenots List and posted a query about the FANUEIL or FANEUIL surname. If I receive any information about the FANEUIL Family Tree, I will let you know. By the way, in the brief-histories of "Fanueil Hall," it states, of course, that "During the Revolutionary period, it was a usual meeting place of the patriots, and, from the stirring debates and important resolutions.. often heard within its walls, it gained the name of 'the cradle of American liberty.'" (And, yet Peter died in 1743.) In the Archives of the Huguenots List, I found a description of "the Huguenot Settlers in North America." Part of one paragraph states "The Huguenots organized a congregation in Boston as early as 1685. In 1705 a site for a church was chosen, and the building erected in 1715......." ("In 1659 a New York congregation was organized ....") "The membership finally disintegrataed going to the English churches and the church ceased to exist in 1748." It might be a coincidence or it might be the reason .. why members of the FANUEIL family also were in Boston around the same time the first Huguenot Church was being built. And, another coincidence is that the Church ceased to exist only 5 years after Peter FANUEIL died. ..A reminder is to always check the Archives of all the Lists for your surname and placenames. There is a wealth of information there. One example is that I just read of the very early street name, Cornhill, in the Fanueil Hall section of Boston. (1999 posting to the Boston List) Thank you for your time. Enjoy your weekend. Betty (near Lowell, MA) "There are two lasting bequests we can give our children; one is roots, the other is wings." Hodding Carter, Jr. "What does Jesus want in his "stocking" on Christmas morning? Loving kindness, a warm heart, and the stretched out hand of tolerance!" The Bishop's Wife (1947)

The following have just been added to my web site at: http://www.rays-place.com Coventry, CT The Winchester Cemetery in Coventry has been added, supplied by Frank Grimes. Frank has typed up more cemeteries in Coventry and they will be added after my vacaton. File Location: http://www.rays-place.com/index-c.html Boston, MA The Marriages for 1716 to 1719 have been added to the Marriages. These will be merged into the big file that now covers 1680 to 1715 when I have a couple more years typed up to add. Location: http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/boston/index.htm Andover, MA Vital Records to 1850 typed by Frances LaMarco All Births and Marriages to surnames starting with the letter J are online at: http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/andover/index.htm Cambridge, MA Vital Records to 1850 typed by Coralynn Brown The births for Surnames through the letter G are online at: http://www.rays-place.com/town/ma/cambridge/index.htm I will be away from Sunday to the 1st week in Dec. so please leave any questions about these ultil after that time. Cheers Ray Brown

A trick that works for me is the town library. E'mail them with what you know and they will usually provide details of obits (the facts such as dates locations and family members are facts and therefore are not covered by copyright). It may take a few days but on a slow day small town librarians do love to to do this kind opf research... I have many useful sites for such lookups at my home page; http://mindspring.com/~dcrichardson/ then click on "Other Useful Sites" Greg Nordlund wrote: > I am trying to locate a copy of an obituary for Thomas Preston, b. 20-JUN-1917 - d. 11-MAY-1970. > > The MA death index indicates that he died in Boston, but the Social Security index lists the Westford area. Would deaths in Westford be included in the Globe or would there be a local paper I should look into? > > Also, if someone finds themselves around some Boston Globe microfilm and can take a few minutes to look for the obituary, I'd be grateful. (I'd order the death certificate or SSI application, but I'm not sure this is the right person.) > > Any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Greg Nordlund > Olympia, WA > > ==== BOSTON Mailing List ==== > Boston's Freedom Trail: > http://www.ci.boston.ma.us/freedomtrail/bostoncommon.asp > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Listers, Could someone please do me a look up for an Obituary for the following:? Ruth Mildred Sweeney Born 24th. Dec. 1903 in Boston Died 21st April 1997 in Manchester, New Hampshire. Thanks in advance, Regards, Beatrice Manchester, England _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

the globe covers most of eastern ma. if you pay you get an obit or if you get selected randomly the herald didnt make you pay til recently. you would get a small obit death notice otherwise jim

I am trying to locate a copy of an obituary for Thomas Preston, b. 20-JUN-1917 - d. 11-MAY-1970. The MA death index indicates that he died in Boston, but the Social Security index lists the Westford area. Would deaths in Westford be included in the Globe or would there be a local paper I should look into? Also, if someone finds themselves around some Boston Globe microfilm and can take a few minutes to look for the obituary, I'd be grateful. (I'd order the death certificate or SSI application, but I'm not sure this is the right person.) Any help or advice would be appreciated. Greg Nordlund Olympia, WA

Hello Listers, Does anyone have these names in their Family Raph Tomlinson born in England. married Margaret Forbes born Nova Scotia. He lived in Boston. They had Florence Alice born 1871 and Blanche L. born about 1873 born Boston. Florence married Albert Emerson 1903 and had a daughter Ruth Mildred born 1903 in Boston, Ruth married Harold Sweeney and had a daughter Nora aged 2 on the 1930 census. Florence was a Widow on the 1920 Census. Just found the death of Ruth she died 1997 she was living at 191 Hacket Hill Road, Manchester, Hillsborough,which was a retirement home. I am almost sure this was her last address. Blanche married a Harry H. Smith and had 2 daughters, Hazel Marjorie born1902 in Boston and Beatrice Marion born 1900 Boston. According to the 1930 Census Florence and Beatrice were Artists and Hazel worked for a Publishing Company. Blanche was a Widow. If anyone knows this family please could you let me know I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance, Best Wishes to you all, Beatrice Manchester, England. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger