At 06:04 PM 4/4/2002, Wendy wrote: > I just recently sent for a copy of a birth certificate from 1900 from > the Massachusetts Archives. I received a letter back stating that they > couldn't find a birth certificate though the death certificate of the > person stated the person was born in Boston, Mass. Is there another place > that would hold the birth records. Or does anyone have any suggestions on > where to look next? > >Wendy A couple of thoughts: 1. How close is the witness/informant on the death cert to the subject? A brother or sister or parent of the deceased would likely know more about the birth than a child or spouse. 2. When and where (what jurisdiction/location) did the death occur, and how near in time & place to the birth? People often generalize when they move away, and it might be said that someone was born in Boston when, in fact, they were born nearby. My mother was raised in Boston, and I always thought she was born there, but she was born in Lynn and moved to Boston as an infant. Even the spouses are many times wrong. 3. Where did you get the date of birth? Death certificates are often unreliable means to figure birth dates from the age of the deceased. People have been known to fudge, and to forget. Again, who supplied the information? Do you have other corroboration? Even SSN probably wouldn't have a birth cert on file for this app. A few notes about the Mass. Archives: The people there are very good and conscientious, a lot of volunteers due to staffing/budget cuts, and there will likely be more cuts. Most VRs are on microfilm, and indexed by bound volumes of 5-year periods (1900-1905, 1906-1910), with names, town, and reference to volume and page. The staff person would usually look in the next or preceding volume, if the name wasn't found where you suggested. But, if there are slight differences to the name (commonly, Gildart vs. Geldart), they probably would not check the alternate, unless you suggest it. The records on film are "returns" to the state from cities and town entities. They may not have all the information that the town record has. Earlier returns were on transcribed by town clerks on forms supplied by the state. Further, this information was supplied to town clerks by doctors and others. So transcription errors are possible. (Later returns are carbon copies of the originals, but not in 1900). These listings of returns may have been sent to the state once a year. Usually, they were posted in chronological order, but occasionally not. I have seen some town's returns that, due to the constancy of the handwriting and perfect chronological order, look as if the pages were all filled out the same day, from a pile of papers the clerk had been collecting. Others look as if they had been recorded as received. The returns are arranged on film first by year, and then the cities and towns are arranged alphabetically then grouped by county, alphabetically. One film may include parts of more than one year. Additionally, there may be some odd records at the end--corrections, late returns, etc. Point being, that it is not a simple matter of looking at all records for a particular date, as that may involve a number of films to cover the 351 cities and towns of Massachusetts (plus those lost since 1900). Well, I've probably given you some food for thought, but not solved your problem. Good luck, and good hunting. Bob Geldart bgeldart@aics.net Maynard, MA

There are a number of reasons why they did not find the birth record - some which come to mind are... 1 - spelling of the surname may be different. My grandmother was always known to me as Gertrude Donahue. Even though I knew here date of birth from her, I wanted a copy for my records. Looking in the archives I couldn't find it and was very baffled. Later I found it under Gertrude Donahoe. 1 letter different on a popular surname can make the difference 2 - the timeframe specified may not be accurate, the individual may be 5 years younger or 5 years older... 3 - at the time the birth was registerd the first name may not have been set, and it was under (girl) or (boy). Not sure if the researchers will check all of these to determine if they have a match. 4 - the record may have been lost - checking with the Town of birth may help. -- --- Ginny Chung <gchung@mindspring.com> http://www.mindspring.com/~gchung/tree.htm - Main page http://www.mindspring.com/~gchung/CemeteryMain.html - Mass Cemetery Transcriptions http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gchung/brochterbeck/Main.htm - Brochterbeck Germany ==============================================

Hi Wendy, I have often found mis information on death certificates. It depends who is giving the information. On my genealogy search death certificates have given me incorrect maiden names, birth places, even wrong burial places. The different burial place drove me nuts. Not only wasn't my ancestor not burried in the cemetary it stated, but I found them in a different town. When an informer gives the information for the death certificate they give the best to their knowledge, and also a lot of times they are grieving. Good Luck Gayle On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:04:17 -0500 "Wendy" <catwoman@enter.net> writes: > Hello, > I just recently sent for a copy of a birth certificate from 1900 > from the Massachusetts Archives. I received a letter back stating > that they couldn't find a birth certificate though the death > certificate of the person stated the person was born in Boston, > Mass. Is there another place that would hold the birth records. Or > does anyone have any suggestions on where to look next? > Thanks so much!!!! > > With Warm Regards, > Wendy > > > ==== BOSTON Mailing List ==== > Discover the City Archives and Records of Boston: > http://www.ci.boston.ma.us/archivesandrecords/information.asp > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > Visit us at http://www.bookcasebooks.com We list with over 8,000 other used bookdealers on Advance Book Exchange Visit them at: http://www.abebooks.com

Try contacting the city of Boston at: Registry Division Room 213 1 City Hall Square Boston, MA 02201 Fee $9.00 David

Hello, I just recently sent for a copy of a birth certificate from 1900 from the Massachusetts Archives. I received a letter back stating that they couldn't find a birth certificate though the death certificate of the person stated the person was born in Boston, Mass. Is there another place that would hold the birth records. Or does anyone have any suggestions on where to look next? Thanks so much!!!! With Warm Regards, Wendy

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Could sks please look up in a 1908 Boston directory and see if they find any Furlongs living at the address below: Delia FURLONG resided at 164 K Street, So. Boston -- 1908 I believe Delia who was buried in my Furlong family plot was either my ggpa's sister or s-i-l. We can't find a death cert. It would really help me to know if she lived alone before her death or was with a male Furlong.

Hi Andrea, The Dunshee name was listed as E.S DUNSHEE ("photographist") as early as 1875 on 3 Tremont Row. In 1887 he was E.S. DUNSHEE & CO., same address. There were HILL photographers in Boston as early as 1887---C.G. HILL was at 363 Washington St., and HILL & HAZELTON at 24 Hanover St. Early photographers acquired and dropped partnerships as business dictated, and often sons and sometimes their widows took over upon their decease. Rob. Jackson

They also had commom law marriages back then. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles@msn.com> To: <BOSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: [BOSTON] Marriage question > Howdy All, > > I'm looking for a marriage that *should* have taken place in Boston c1886-1889. I've written to the MA Archives twice, but nothing found. I've had a really nice volunteer search variant spellings, but still nothing. What should I do next? Could they have married in another state? Was there a "Las Vegas" kind of place where Boston folks ran away to to get married? > > Jeanne > > > > ==== BOSTON Mailing List ==== > Discover the City Archives and Records of Boston: > http://www.ci.boston.ma.us/archivesandrecords/information.asp > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

At 06:59 AM 3/26/2002, Joan Blaisdell wrote: >First thought that came to my mind was ,in Lynnfield, Ma. there was a >Justice of the Peace. His name was Pastor HIGGINS. For years so many >people from all over went to him. He has passed away. If his Bonds of >marriage could be obtained, It would be a goldmine for people searching. >There is a Library in Lynnfield, Wonder where all those marriages are? In >Ma. you can take out papers in any town hall and then marry in another. >Another thought New Hampshire is well known for people to cross the line >to get married. I believe that, regardless of whether you were (are) married by a priest or a Justice of the Peace (JP), Mass. law requires (and certainly did in 1880s) that a record of all marriages performed in Mass. be returned to VRs (Department of Public Health). The attraction of the JP in New Hampshire was that there was no waiting--no need to file intentions and wait 3 days, as in Mass. (tho I think the more recent requirement of blood test may still have been a requirement). My parents were married by a JP in NH in 1943, when my dad was in the Navy and getting shipped out. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jeanne Arguelles <ejarguelles@msn.com> >To: <BOSTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > I'm looking for a marriage that *should* have taken place in Boston > > c1886-1889. I've written to the MA Archives twice, but nothing found. > > I've had a really nice volunteer search variant spellings, but still > > nothing. What should I do next? Could they have married in another > > state? Was there a "Las Vegas" kind of place where Boston folks ran > > away to to get married? Bob Geldart bgeldart@aics.net Maynard, MA

If you have not checked with the city of Boston you might want to check there at: Registry Division Room 213 1 City Hall Square Boston, MA 02201 The search charge is $9.00 David

Hi All, I have a wonderful picture of my Grandmothers siblings taken at photography studio of Dunshee & Hills at 22 Winter Street.,Boston,MA on 16 May 1893 . A little investigation found that this was the business Frederick F. Dunshee. Apparently started after 1890.and possibly with : Name: Dunshee, E. S. Occupation: photographer Address: at Philadelphia, Pa. Business: Others: Address: 3 Tremont row Comments: Directory: Boston Year: 1890 obviously related : Name: Dunshee, Frederick F. Occupation: photographer Address: house 38 Cross Business: Others: Address: 3 Tremont Row, B. Comments: Directory: Malden Year: 1890 I found only one name that may be a possibility for HILLS and that is an Alfred E. HILL of Somerville, a photographer. Does anyone have any idea who exactly (HILLS) this may be? I love old photos . I live in R.I and when I go into the new,used and rare book store there is a box of old photos I love to look through and would most certainly would love to put a name to the faces. Even more I would love to be able to find a place to do this in Boston!! On a rare occassion we may actually find a photo with a full name written upon it! Best to All , Andrea

In a message dated 3/26/2002 12:41:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, ejarguelles@msn.com writes: << Jeanne >> Dear Jeanne, I looked for years fot the marriage of my grandparents in Boston at the turn of the Century and stumbled on them being married in Rhode Island. Cheers, Bob

Hi Jeanne, First thought that came to my mind was ,in Lynnfield, Ma. there was a Justice of the Peace. His name was Pastor HIGGINS. For years so many people from all over went to him. He has passed away. If his Bonds of marriage could be obtained, It would be a goldmine for people searching. There is a Library in Lynnfield, Wonder where all those marriages are? In Ma. you can take out papers in any town hall and then marry in another. Another thought New Hampshire is well known for people to cross the line to get married. Your time frame for Pastor HIGGINS was early. As you know the town has to be known. Good Luck, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanne Arguelles <ejarguelles@msn.com> To: <BOSTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:36 AM Subject: [BOSTON] Marriage question > Howdy All, > > I'm looking for a marriage that *should* have taken place in Boston c1886-1889. I've written to the MA Archives twice, but nothing found. I've had a really nice volunteer search variant spellings, but still nothing. What should I do next? Could they have married in another state? Was there a "Las Vegas" kind of place where Boston folks ran away to to get married? > > Jeanne > > > > ==== BOSTON Mailing List ==== > Discover the City Archives and Records of Boston: > http://www.ci.boston.ma.us/archivesandrecords/information.asp > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Howdy All, I'm looking for a marriage that *should* have taken place in Boston c1886-1889. I've written to the MA Archives twice, but nothing found. I've had a really nice volunteer search variant spellings, but still nothing. What should I do next? Could they have married in another state? Was there a "Las Vegas" kind of place where Boston folks ran away to to get married? Jeanne

Hi Hoaxes are a dime a dozen on the internet :) but our Canadian cousins are green with envy (and black and blue, too) from their battles to get the post 1901 census released over obscure and pedantic objections so all the US cousins should pause for a moment and realize how blessed we are to have the 1930 US census coming out! Best Wishes in the new census decade! Sharon Ancestors and Ephemera http://Genealogyfair.com --- A & M Stef <almstef@gis.net> wrote: > > Hi, Sharon, > > I went all over the Waltham website last night, and found nothing > there to > help answer our question. Thanks for straightening us out! But > that's what > you listmanagers get the big bucks for, right?! (:-) > > Anne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Sergeant" <info@genealogyfair.com> > To: <BOSTON-STATES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 11:12 AM > Subject: [Bos-St] Waltham MA NARA midnight April 1 is not a hoax! > > > Folks, > In this age of urban legends and all sorts of internet pranks, I > don't > blame you for being leary, BUT the Waltham NARA opening on midnight > April 1 in celebration of the 1930 Census release - is not a hoax. I > live in Waltham and have spoken personally with NARA folks. We have > APG, NEHGS, MSOG, TIARA and MGC folks all planning to take a nap > after > their Easter dinner to join the midnight gang! > > Sharon, Boston States listmanager > Ancestors and Ephemera > http://www.GenealogyFair.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

I would appreciate a look up in any Boston City Directory from 1840-1850. For the following. Cornelius V. Fort (also known as C.V. Fort) Mary Ann Fort (Wife) Jacob Fort (Father) Angelica Fort (Mother) Cornelius is found in Philadelphia in 1855. However his son was born in Boston in 1849. I would like to see where they lived. Gail K Schoch

Ellery W. Ellis was a printer in Boston about 1920. I would appreciate a lister lookup for this man's family unit circa 1920. Thanks Don

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