There is a wall behind us about 350 years and each year it moves forward a year. If we get any information back of the wall, we are very lucky. Before I put everything on computer, I put it into notebooks. I still have the notebooks. I am not a genealogist, having never been able to travel my information comes only from other people. Bost notebook includes email from 1996 onward and it is talking about the very same things we are talking about today. I don't know if we will ever get it right because of that wall ------------------------- In 2002 one Warren Smith sent me Bast/ Bost genealogy. 1 --generation Nicol 1659 Pfalz , Bayerne died in Germany 2 --generation Georg Jurig Bast before 1687 Pfalz, Bayern it was he on the ship with wife anna Maree and child 3--generation Johannes Wilhelm born 1719/20 in Kaldung Germany christened 10 July 1721 Evangelisch-Lutherische Church , Heuchelheim, Frankenthal, Pfalz, Bayern Bermany and who died in Cabarrus Co. NC buried in St. John's Luthercem, Mt pleasant Cabarrus Co. NC> So if his name was Johannes Wilhelm and he was christened and that church has old records and someone can read old German then the name would be there. He also lists son Johannes William 1738/39 my Anna Maria Bost born abt 1746 then lists wife Susannah Catharina and goes on to Leonhardt born 1740-------------------- Barney Sitz one of our group of researchers early on sid that Mary Kline wasn't born until 1755. So could not have been the mother of Wm. Bost born 1743. He said in 1998 that he has quite a bit of Cline/Klean genealogy and nothing proves that ------------------------------ How accurate was Mary Pegram West's genealogy? I have a print out of some of her work. She said that Georg Bast and Anna Maria 's son was Johannes Wilheim Bast born 26 Feb 1719/20 Kaldung Germany She lists my Anna Maria as born 1746 and William Bast as first son. Then the marriage to Susannah Catherina and has Leonhardt Bast born in 1739/40 ( it seems mistakes compounded? ) ------------------------------- The ship Pink Plaisance Sept. 1732 seems to have had at least 3/4 of my German ancestors represented. They stuck together and in NC married and intermarried and are wound up tighter than threads in a tapestry. ------------------------------------ We may have to settle on what the preponderance of information leads us to believe. I would say Use Johannes and say his name was simply JOHN . Unless someone has proof otherwise. I would drop Klein/Cline and use unknown first wife for his first son William Bast/Bost. I make notes to myself that it has been said that Johannes may have had a middle name of Wilhelm. etc. etc. What say YE? Mary