I agree with Mary and why all the speculating on the Bast lineage? I see no big mystery? ""We may have to settle on what the preponderance of information leads us to believe. I would say Use Johannes and say his name was simply JOHN . Unless someone has proof otherwise. I would drop Klein/Cline and use unknown first wife for his first son William Bast/Bost. I make notes to myself that it has been said that Johannes may have had a middle name of Wilhelm. etc. etc."" If you find some error or question about my work at http://paynedaniel.com let me know. Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Harkey Russell" <[email protected]> To: "BOST list" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [BOST] Johannes BAST & Johann Wilhelm BAST, Jr. > There is a wall behind us about 350 years and each year it moves forward a > year. > If we get any information back of the wall, we are very lucky. > Before I put everything on computer, I put it into notebooks. I still > have > the notebooks. I am not a genealogist, having never been able to travel > my > information comes only from other people. Bost notebook includes email > from > 1996 onward and it is talking about the very same things we are talking > about today. I don't know if we will ever get it right because of that > wall > ------------------------- > In 2002 one Warren Smith sent me Bast/ Bost genealogy. > 1 --generation Nicol 1659 Pfalz , Bayerne died in Germany > 2 --generation Georg Jurig Bast before 1687 Pfalz, Bayern it was he on the > ship with wife anna Maree and child > 3--generation Johannes Wilhelm born 1719/20 in Kaldung Germany christened > 10 July 1721 Evangelisch-Lutherische Church , Heuchelheim, Frankenthal, > Pfalz, Bayern Bermany and who died in Cabarrus Co. NC buried in St. John's > Luthercem, Mt pleasant Cabarrus Co. NC> > So if his name was Johannes Wilhelm and he was christened and that church > has old records and someone can read old German then the name would be > there. > He also lists son Johannes William 1738/39 my Anna Maria Bost born abt > 1746 > then lists wife Susannah Catharina and goes on to Leonhardt born > 1740-------------------- > Barney Sitz one of our group of researchers early on sid that Mary Kline > wasn't born until 1755. So could not have been the mother of Wm. Bost born > 1743. He said in 1998 that he has quite a bit of Cline/Klean genealogy and > nothing proves that > ------------------------------ > How accurate was Mary Pegram West's genealogy? I have a print out of > some > of her work. She said that Georg Bast and Anna Maria 's son was Johannes > Wilheim Bast born 26 Feb 1719/20 Kaldung Germany > She lists my Anna Maria as born 1746 and William Bast as first son. Then > the marriage to Susannah Catherina and has Leonhardt Bast born in 1739/40 > ( it seems mistakes compounded? ) > ------------------------------- > The ship Pink Plaisance Sept. 1732 seems to have had at least 3/4 of my > German ancestors represented. They stuck together and in NC married and > intermarried and are wound up tighter than threads in a tapestry. > ------------------------------------ > We may have to settle on what the preponderance of information leads us > to > believe. I would say Use Johannes and say his name was simply JOHN . > Unless someone has proof otherwise. I would drop Klein/Cline and use > unknown first wife for his first son William Bast/Bost. I make notes to > myself that it has been said that Johannes may have had a middle name of > Wilhelm. etc. etc. > What say YE? > Mary > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with you, Payne. Although the will of Johannes begins with" I, John Bost", we realize that the will is being written by another, a scribe or clerk, who uses the English version, or commonly used version of Johannes' name, because at the end of the will, he signs his name as "Johannes Bast", and affixes his seal. If his name follows the German Lutheran custom, it may have been Johnnes Wilhelm Bast, as the boys in a family would have a saint's name prefixed to theirs, in this case, John, but it was never used as part of the name on documents, etc. So , we'll most likely never know if his name was William or not, but it doesn't matter, after all, does it? >From: "Payne Daniel" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: Payne Daniel <[email protected]> >To: "Mary Harkey Russell" <[email protected]>, "BOST list" ><[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [BOST] Johannes BAST & Johann Wilhelm BAST, Jr. >Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:57:40 -0500 > >I agree with Mary and why all the speculating on the Bast lineage? I see no >big mystery? >""We may have to settle on what the preponderance of information leads us >to >believe. I would say Use Johannes and say his name was simply JOHN . >Unless someone has proof otherwise. I would drop Klein/Cline and use >unknown first wife for his first son William Bast/Bost. I make notes to >myself that it has been said that Johannes may have had a middle name of >Wilhelm. etc. etc."" > >If you find some error or question about my work at http://paynedaniel.com >let me know. >Payne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mary Harkey Russell" <[email protected]> >To: "BOST list" <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:00 PM >Subject: Re: [BOST] Johannes BAST & Johann Wilhelm BAST, Jr. > > > > There is a wall behind us about 350 years and each year it moves forward >a > > year. > > If we get any information back of the wall, we are very lucky. > > Before I put everything on computer, I put it into notebooks. I still > > have > > the notebooks. I am not a genealogist, having never been able to travel > > my > > information comes only from other people. Bost notebook includes email > > from > > 1996 onward and it is talking about the very same things we are talking > > about today. I don't know if we will ever get it right because of >that > > wall > > ------------------------- > > In 2002 one Warren Smith sent me Bast/ Bost genealogy. > > 1 --generation Nicol 1659 Pfalz , Bayerne died in Germany > > 2 --generation Georg Jurig Bast before 1687 Pfalz, Bayern it was he on >the > > ship with wife anna Maree and child > > 3--generation Johannes Wilhelm born 1719/20 in Kaldung Germany >christened > > 10 July 1721 Evangelisch-Lutherische Church , Heuchelheim, Frankenthal, > > Pfalz, Bayern Bermany and who died in Cabarrus Co. NC buried in St. >John's > > Luthercem, Mt pleasant Cabarrus Co. NC> > > So if his name was Johannes Wilhelm and he was christened and that >church > > has old records and someone can read old German then the name would be > > there. > > He also lists son Johannes William 1738/39 my Anna Maria Bost born abt > > 1746 > > then lists wife Susannah Catharina and goes on to Leonhardt born > > 1740-------------------- > > Barney Sitz one of our group of researchers early on sid that Mary >Kline > > wasn't born until 1755. So could not have been the mother of Wm. Bost >born > > 1743. He said in 1998 that he has quite a bit of Cline/Klean genealogy >and > > nothing proves that > > ------------------------------ > > How accurate was Mary Pegram West's genealogy? I have a print out of > > some > > of her work. She said that Georg Bast and Anna Maria 's son was >Johannes > > Wilheim Bast born 26 Feb 1719/20 Kaldung Germany > > She lists my Anna Maria as born 1746 and William Bast as first son. >Then > > the marriage to Susannah Catherina and has Leonhardt Bast born in >1739/40 > > ( it seems mistakes compounded? ) > > ------------------------------- > > The ship Pink Plaisance Sept. 1732 seems to have had at least 3/4 of my > > German ancestors represented. They stuck together and in NC married >and > > intermarried and are wound up tighter than threads in a tapestry. > > ------------------------------------ > > We may have to settle on what the preponderance of information leads us > > to > > believe. I would say Use Johannes and say his name was simply JOHN . > > Unless someone has proof otherwise. I would drop Klein/Cline and use > > unknown first wife for his first son William Bast/Bost. I make notes to > > myself that it has been said that Johannes may have had a middle name of > > Wilhelm. etc. etc. > > What say YE? > > Mary > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message