Subscribers, I don't know how I can make it any clearer then I have already stated but I will try one more time, going step by step so that hopefully the newbies will understand and learn something about the settlement of Estates, particularly back in old Virginia. The debate is whether widow Isabell Young married in June 1761, as many researchers are claiming, during the administration of the Estate of her deceased husband Patrick Young and for which she was appointed and qualified as Co-Administrix. I say No, she did not marry John Summers during the Estate administration duties because it absolutely would have been reflected in the Court between May 1761 and November 1762. And there is no indication of a name change with the widow which mean she did NOT marry during the 18 month time frame of which we are referring. ------------------------ Judy, You said: "But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.." ------------------------- I say: I don't know what you mean by filed in the distance future. Of course it would reflect a marriage of the widow Isabell IF a marriage had actually occurred during the administration of Patrick Young's Estate between 1761 - 1762. And like I have said - Bushong researchers are saying that a marriage did occur in June 1761. That did not happen if this Isabell married John Summers with that marriage date. It would have to be a totally different Isabelle. If you go back and look at the time frame for presentation of Patrick Young's Will to the Court on 19 May 1761 and the court proceedings on 18 November 1762 (which really couldn't have been the Final Settlement of this Estate since none of the minor children had come of age in the year of 1762), you will see that she signed her name Isabell Young in both May 1761 and November 1762. But at this point in the discussion to be clear, it is not WHEN the Final Settlement took place, it is the IMPORTANT dates of 19 May 1761 and 18 November 1762. During that 18 month period in the Court Records, Isabell signs her name Isabell Young as co-administrix. Never Isabell Summers. What Patrick Young spelled out in his Will about his wife if she remarried, at this point is irrelevant. And yes there were those men that prayed on helpless widows even back then, especially if there was property to be gained and the deceased was trying to protect children from this happening. Researchers can fabricate anyway they want to create a family tree but facts and documents will usually reflect those fabrications and prove them wrong. If a document is found then that is a good thing but there has to be a document. You just don't fill in the blanks to explain away facts that aren't there. Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: jacassidy22 <jacassidy22@verizon.net> To: boschong <boschong@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [BOSCHONG] Re-Post of Will of John Summers and other thoughts It is late so just a couple thoughts. Had Isabelle Young, widow of Patrick remarried, she most likely didn't do it so quickly that it would have been mentioned in his Estate Settlement or that she would have signed off as Isabell Summers, if I understand you correctly. I don't know whether or not he put into his will the bit about if his wife remarried, her portion to his children as they so often did. Most men didn't want their estate going to line the pockets of the next husband. But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.. A marriage bond cost money, sometimes up to $100.00. Often the surety of the bond, who signature was on the bond, was the back up in case the groom did not have the money. That person was often a relative or good friend. A marriage bond was not a marriage license, it was a promise that if the bride was under age, she had her parents or guardians permission to marry, that the bond was backed by the surety. There were many times, when a bond exists, but the marriage did not actually take place. Strangers that the bride and groom did not know, did not sign marriage bonds, unless they were an official. Mercer Co., KY has a great collection of marriage bonds and marriage licenses which followed. I will check them tomorrow. Judy