Boschong Subscribers, It drives me crazy the way researchers try to tie everything up into a neat little bow in genealogy with assumptions that they can't prove and for which there is no documentation and throw it in the middle of a lot of documented information hoping you won't notice and trying to explain things away. I refer to the quoted "marriage record" of June 1761 in Augusta County for John Summers and an Isabella with the assumption that she is the widow of Patrick Young so that then the lineage shows this couple with Jannet Young marrying John Bushong. I have already told you that none of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young reflects a marriage of Isabella, widow of Patrick Young to John Summers or anyone else for that matter and it would have to be referred to in order to keep the Estate proceedings legal. When she signed, it would have had to say Isabella Summers, late Isabella Young, widow of Patrick or something to that effect. Has anyone ever seen the final distribution of the Estate to see what it has as the names as the widow would have gotten 1/3 and the children would have each received 1/4 part of the rest of the Estate or however many children were still alive when the final settlement took place. If any of them died during the settlement period, then that would be reflected in the final settlement. If any married that would also be reflected in the final settlement. The final settlement wasn't until probably around 1770 since that is when the last child would have come of age using the approximate birth year of the first child at 1750 and last child at 1754. Some people think that when they see the word LATE in a court document, it means that the person died. Not so. Usually refers to her maiden name. There are a few exceptions but they usually are explained in the document. Back in 2008 I ordered a copy of the Will of John Summers, transcribed it and put it on the BOSCHONG List for the month of August 2008. Below you will find a re-post of that Will. You will see that it clearly states that Isabelle Summers was John's natural daughter and in the Will it refers to her as Isabel Bushong which was her married name so there is no question or argument there. It also refers to a wife named Isabell. (The assumption is that this Isabell Todd, the widow of Patrick Young.) No proof out there just assumption. HOWEVER, in John Summers's Will it does not name Jannet Summers in the Will as a daughter for a very good reason. She is not his daughter, adopted or otherwise. NOR is she Patrick Young's daughter since that daughter was born circa 1752 and the Jannet that married John Bushong was born in 1761. Right? Remember that birth date of 1761 because it is plastered all over the Internet with Jannet married to John Bushong. So that would make her about 24 when she married John Bushong if math serves me correctly. Could she have been married before as Judy suggests. Possibly. That would make her maiden name unknown at this point as you would have to find the bond where she married a Summers. There are tons of Summers marriages out there very early and all with some of the same names. Just because a John Summers signed a marriage bond with John Bushong in 1785 when John was going to marry Jannet Summers does not mean that this is her father nor does it mean that she is Patrick Young's daughter since as I have said, that daughter was born circa 1752. Now how do I know that? Because if you had looked at the Will and Court records on the Guardianships in which the children were named, you would notice that Jannet was named BEFORE Alice who was born circa 1753. That means she was born before 1753. The way MOST Wills worked was this. Names of males named first, in birth order from oldest to youngest Names of females named next, in birth order from oldest to youngest. AND Guardianship in Courts worked basically the same way. Names of children in birth order but not always with males first. So in Patrick Young's Will states the order as boy first JAMES, and then girls in order, oldest to youngest: SARAH, JANNET AND ALICE AND In the Court Guardianship papers the order is: 1761 - James, Sarah, Jannet, Alice 1767 - James, Sarah Jannet, Elizabeth ------------------------------------- So how was Jannet Summers related to John Summers of the Will and Marriage Bond? No one really can say for sure. She was related, no argument there, but she might have been a niece, possible a daughter of an unknown Summers brother of John or James or a widow of a unknown Summers. I don't believe anyone has all of the history of the Summers from what was then Augusta County, present day Pendleton County, West Virginia which is the area that I believe they lived in before moving to Kentucky. A good example of this is who is NANCY SUMMERS named in the Pendleton County Deed that I posted back in October 2006? I'll re-post that in a few minutes. And yes, John Summers was married to an Isabella Young because in a chancery suit of 1761 it states LATE ISABELLA YOUNG. But that could have been her MAIDEN name. There is no marriage record for the Isabella, widow of Patrick Young, and believe me, if there was, it would have been referred to in all of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young. So we are looking at two totally different Isabella girls. One Isabella with the maiden name Young who married John Summers and probably with Isabella being related to Patrick Young in some way and one Isabella maiden name Todd who married Patrick Young and did not marry John Summers. ------------------ The Young surname referred to below is probably the maiden name of John Summer's wife and not the same Isabella Todd Young widow of Patrick Young. Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia by Lyman Chalkley County Court Judgments Volume 1 Page 344 November, 1766 (A) Summers vs. Campbell.--John Summers and Isabella, his wife, late Isabella Young, complain of James Campbell and Richard Woods. Bond dated 23d June, 1761. Page 342 ------------------- Barren County Kentucky Will Book I (1798 - 1818) Will of John Summers 11 March 1806 Pages 57-58 Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah Film #209740 IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the eleventh day of March in the Year of our Lord 1806. I give and bequeath unto my lawful wife Isabel Summer the benefit of all the cleared land on both my plantations as long as she shall live and at her death to be sold and evenly devided between my three children Lawfully begotten of my Boddy TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong and Samuel Summers which is two hundred and fifty Acres. I give and bequeath unto my five Children Lawfully begotten of my body all my movable property TO WIT, John Summers, Mary Clark, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers, William Summers to be at my wifes Choice when the division is to be made. I give and bequeath unto my three Children Lawfully begotten of my body one bond laying in James Youngs hands for two hundred and fifty Acres of land TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers. IN WITNESS whereof, I have set unto my hand and seal this day and year first above written. Signed, Sealed and Delivered in perfect mind. John Summers, His Mark and Seal Teste: Solomon Dickerson Julius Marshall Barren County To Wit, April County Court 1806. The foregoing Writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of John Summers Deceased was produced in Court and Solomon Dickerson and Julius Marshall Subscribing Witnesses thereto being Sworn deposeth that the said John Summers did in their presence deliver the said Writing for his Will and that they believe him to be in his proper sense and memory and thereupon the said Writing was ordered to be Recorded as the true last Will and Testament of the said John Summers, Deceased. Teste. W. Logan, Clerk -------------------------------------------------- Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong

Hello Gloria..............since this "conversation" is about my husband's lineage, you've gotmy complete attention! What I am most concerned about is if Janet "Young" is the wife of John Bushong or not. It is through Patrick Young that the lineage goes back to theLamont (pronounced Lam'-it) Clan in Scotland. Which my husband is a member for manyyears now! I appreciate the research you do. And I love that you have documentation to back you up. ButI have emailed ancestry.com before to correct the misspellings of family names. So I know that mistakes can be made on documents. I like the information that Judy and others on this list contribute. I find it helpful and insightful and I don't want to see that end. So please everyone, keep up the good work. There may notever be "concrete" evidence, but we can assume from what documents there is availablewhat the assumption may be. I'm not an expert at genealogy, but I've noticed in my research that the census may havedifferent birth years. Why is that? I know in my own family this is so! The years may be offby 2-7 years! Is it that they didn't know what year they were born??? Or want to appear youngerthan they really are??? Did the census taker hear it wrong??? I haven't got not clue! I wish I had more personal time to put in this research but I work full time and there'snot always enough hours in the day! There are nights I stay up until 1 or 2 am researchingwhich makes it hard to wake up at 5:45 am to go to work! So thank you for all the time and money you put into all the research of documents. I greatly appreciate it! Cindy Lee *-) > To: boschong@rootsweb.com > From: chochoruss@aol.com > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:16:07 -0400 > Subject: [BOSCHONG] Re-Post of Will of John Summers and other thoughts > > > > > Boschong Subscribers, It drives me crazy the way researchers try to tie everything up into a neat little bow in genealogy with assumptions that they can't prove and for which there is no documentation and throw it in the middle of a lot of documented information hoping you won't notice and trying to explain things away. > > I refer to the quoted "marriage record" of June 1761 in Augusta County for John Summers and an Isabella with the assumption that she is the widow of Patrick Young so that then the lineage shows this couple with Jannet Young marrying John Bushong. > > I have already told you that none of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young reflects a marriage of Isabella, widow of Patrick Young to John Summers or anyone else for that matter and it would have to be referred to in order to keep the Estate proceedings legal. When she signed, it would have had to say Isabella Summers, late Isabella Young, widow of Patrick or something to that effect. Has anyone ever seen the final distribution of the Estate to see what it has as the names as the widow would have gotten 1/3 and the children would have each received 1/4 part of the rest of the Estate or however many children were still alive when the final settlement took place. If any of them died during the settlement period, then that would be reflected in the final settlement. If any married that would also be reflected in the final settlement. The final settlement wasn't until probably around 1770 since that is when the last child would have come of age using the approximate birth year ! > of the first child at 1750 and last child at 1754. > > Some people think that when they see the word LATE in a court document, it means that the person died. Not so. Usually refers to her maiden name. There are a few exceptions but they usually are explained in the document. > > Back in 2008 I ordered a copy of the Will of John Summers, transcribed it and put it on the BOSCHONG List for the month of August 2008. Below you will find a re-post of that Will. > You will see that it clearly states that Isabelle Summers was John's natural daughter and in the Will it refers to her as Isabel Bushong which was her married name so there is no question or argument there. It also refers to a wife named Isabell. (The assumption is that this Isabell Todd, the widow of Patrick Young.) No proof out there just assumption. > > HOWEVER, in John Summers's Will it does not name Jannet Summers in the Will as a daughter for a very good reason. She is not his daughter, adopted or otherwise. NOR is she Patrick Young's daughter since that daughter was born circa 1752 and the Jannet that married John Bushong was born in 1761. Right? Remember that birth date of 1761 because it is plastered all over the Internet with Jannet married to John Bushong. So that would make her about 24 when she married John Bushong if math serves me correctly. Could she have been married before as Judy suggests. Possibly. That would make her maiden name unknown at this point as you would have to find the bond where she married a Summers. There are tons of Summers marriages out there very early and all with some of the same names. > > Just because a John Summers signed a marriage bond with John Bushong in 1785 when John was going to marry Jannet Summers does not mean that this is her father nor does it mean that she is Patrick Young's daughter since as I have said, that daughter was born circa 1752. > > Now how do I know that? Because if you had looked at the Will and Court records on the Guardianships in which the children were named, you would notice that Jannet was named BEFORE Alice who was born circa 1753. That means she was born before 1753. > > The way MOST Wills worked was this. > > Names of males named first, in birth order from oldest to youngest > Names of females named next, in birth order from oldest to youngest. > AND > Guardianship in Courts worked basically the same way. > Names of children in birth order but not always with males first. > > So in Patrick Young's Will states the order as boy first JAMES, and then girls in order, oldest to youngest: SARAH, JANNET AND ALICE > AND > In the Court Guardianship papers the order is: > 1761 - James, Sarah, Jannet, Alice > 1767 - James, Sarah Jannet, Elizabeth > ------------------------------------- > So how was Jannet Summers related to John Summers of the Will and Marriage Bond? No one really can say for sure. She was related, no argument there, but she might have been a niece, possible a daughter of an unknown Summers brother of John or James or a widow of a unknown Summers. I don't believe anyone has all of the history of the Summers from what was then Augusta County, present day Pendleton County, West Virginia which is the area that I believe they lived in before moving to Kentucky. A good example of this is who is NANCY SUMMERS named in the Pendleton County Deed that I posted back in October 2006? I'll re-post that in a few minutes. > > And yes, John Summers was married to an Isabella Young because in a chancery suit of 1761 it states LATE ISABELLA YOUNG. But that could have been her MAIDEN name. There is no marriage record for the Isabella, widow of Patrick Young, and believe me, if there was, it would have been referred to in all of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young. So we are looking at two totally different Isabella girls. One Isabella with the maiden name Young who married John Summers and probably with Isabella being related to Patrick Young in some way and one Isabella maiden name Todd who married Patrick Young and did not marry John Summers. > ------------------ > The Young surname referred to below is probably the maiden name of John Summer's wife and not the same Isabella Todd Young widow of Patrick Young. > > Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia > by Lyman Chalkley > County Court Judgments > Volume 1 > Page 344 > > November, 1766 (A) > > > Summers vs. Campbell.--John Summers and Isabella, his wife, late Isabella > Young, complain of James Campbell and Richard Woods. Bond dated 23d June, > 1761. > Page 342 > ------------------- > Barren County Kentucky Will Book I (1798 - 1818) > Will of John Summers > 11 March 1806 > Pages 57-58 > Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah > Film #209740 > > IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the eleventh day of March in the Year of our Lord > 1806. > I give and bequeath unto my lawful wife Isabel Summer the benefit of all > the cleared land on both my plantations as long as she shall live and at her > death to be sold and evenly devided between my three children Lawfully > begotten of my Boddy TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong and Samuel Summers which > is two hundred and fifty Acres. > I give and bequeath unto my five Children Lawfully begotten of my body all > my movable property TO WIT, John Summers, Mary Clark, Isabel Bushong, Samuel > Summers, William Summers to be at my wifes Choice when the division is to be made. > I give and bequeath unto my three Children Lawfully begotten of my body one > bond laying in James Youngs hands for two hundred and fifty Acres of land > TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers. > IN WITNESS whereof, I have set unto my hand and seal this day and year first > above written. > Signed, Sealed and Delivered in perfect mind. > John Summers, His Mark and Seal > > Teste: > Solomon Dickerson > Julius Marshall > > Barren County To Wit, April County Court 1806. > The foregoing Writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of John > Summers Deceased was produced in Court and Solomon Dickerson and Julius > Marshall Subscribing Witnesses thereto being Sworn deposeth that the said John > Summers did in their presence deliver the said Writing for his Will and that they > believe him to be in his proper sense and memory and thereupon the said > Writing was ordered to be Recorded as the true last Will and Testament of the said > John Summers, Deceased. > Teste. > W. Logan, Clerk > -------------------------------------------------- > Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message