Of course, I never meant for any of this to be a personal disagreement with Gloria at all. I am not interested in that, only history and genealogy. You are so right, we need to keep the personal out of the discussion. I am delighted that you have enjoyed the week and so perhaps it is time to be onto an other discussion. As mentioned, I descend from Andreas and then George, his son, so am not really up on other lines of this family, especially the Lancaster group. I am very familiar as to where they lived, however, as well as some of those in other states. The U. of PA I believe is responsible for this publication and I know that you will all enjoy it because your ancestors experience the same traveling conditions, plus it describes the portion of the journey before they get to the Ocean. Those references to sales of passengers, were those who paid the ships fare's for various passengers who were then "sold" and became Indentured Servants, as so many of our ancester's were.. http://archive.org/details/gottlichmittelbe01mitt Gottlich Mittelberger's journey to Pennsylvania in the year 1750 and return to Germany in the year 1754, containing not only a description of the country according to its present condition, but also a detailed account of the sad and unfortunate circumstances of most of the Germans that have emigrated, or are emigrating to that country (1898) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks Judy. Interesting read. Guess nothing really has changed from 1750 to present day. We still have white slavery, people living in sin, children being born out of wedlock, and immigrants being taken advantage of by those who would profit be it monetary or politically. I have an account of one of my Neiger relations that kept a journal of his travels from Switzerland to America, who immigrated here in 1860 and the ship conditions were no better then 110 years before in 1750. Imagine that. Gloria