I was good friends with Carol Wilsey Bell for many years Gloria and am aware of the situation which was a long time ago. I am delighted that you feel the information which I have been providing is useful and I will continue to do so. thanks Judy On 03/19/13, Russell Bushong<chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: Are you accusing me of fabrication Gloria? Presenting differing opinions or new information or even a different way of viewing something, does not mean that is cast in stone, it is simply that as humans we are all entitled to do that. I thought this was a discussion group and not "my way or the highway" but perhaps I am in error and if so, then it has been very nice chatting with everyone. Judy -------------------------------------- Addressed to Judy: Wow, Judy lightening up. I've been down this road before and it sounds really really familiar. I believe I am probably the one presenting a different opinion and view and it looks like once again, I am being presented as the bad guy because I have a different view point on the issue then what is out there all over the Internet with the Bushong establishment. AND NO, I was not speaking about you directly at the end with the fabrication. I did address you at one point in the post and I used your name and your comment and gave my remarks. I started that post by the words SUBSCRIBERS so the last paragraph was suppose to be a summary to ALL and I was just generally addressing the List. My one error was not drawing a line between the last two paragraphs which was the end of that thought with you and the beginning of the summary. So I guess I'm human too. You have been putting good information on the List and I and the List appreciate that. The more information put on the List, the more accurate information we will all have. And You probably don't know the history of why this List was formed in the first place back in 2004 but then again maybe you do. But for those who don't know, it was because I was going against a well established Bushong hierarchy with all things, a differing opinion. Imagine that. ----------------------------- This I will address to all of the BUSHONG SUBSCRIBERS: How many of you know of fabrications, embellishments and avoidances in your own Bushong family? How many lawbreakers did you have that no one wanted to admit owning. Some family stories are pretty funny. Some are tragic. Some are embarrassing.Some are just made up fabrications to try to explain what isn't known. Right now the other List is concentrating on all the embarrassing incidents in the Bushong family. That's okay. There's plenty of incidents reported in newspapers as this family definitely was and is not lily white and it all part of the interesting history. How about the spelling of Beauchamp as Bushong, which we know isn't correct since DNA has proven that the two DNA markers don't even come close. How many "facts" have been added after the fact that weren't in the original records? I am still wondering how the ages of Hans the original immigrant and his family made it into the ship manifest and none of the other passengers seem to have their ages listed. Genealogy is an exact science. There is a life. That life has paperwork. You follow the paper trail. You follow the original records. Don't let anyone tell you any differently. You check and re-check. If you can't find the paperwork then you aren't looking in the right place. Spread out to surrounding counties. People did make it to courthouses. It might not be in the county courthouse that they lived in BUT it may be a surrounding county courthouse which was closer to them. A good example of this is the Bushongs of New Market who lived in Shenandoah County, many times went to the courthouse in Rockingham County because Harrisonburg was closer then Woodstock and the tolls imposed made it less expensive. HOWEVER The exception and surprise is NOW, even once you follow that exact paper trail, it might not be totally correct since DNA is playing a part into the family with the Mitchell/Bushong factor being introduced. However, Laws ARE cast in stone. There is a set procedure for court records and proceedings. It is the way the Courts were and still are run and procedures have to be followed. Any change in a name has to be recorded in the Court when a procedure has already been filed and is in play in the Courts. As you all know some researchers have filled in blanks, making assumptions, on the widow Isabella Young without any documentation to prove the premise and spread it all over the Internet. That is wrong. It will be interesting to see if it is ever admitted to as possibly not being correct. If someone comes up with proof that in the court proceedings in the settlement of Patrick Young it shows his widow as Isabell Summers, then I will be more then happy to retract this.And since Jannet Young was born circa 1752, she was the natural legal daughter of Patrick Young and wife Isabell. I believe that Patrick Young's court proceedings was in the courthouse in Staunton, Virginia which at that time, was the center of all court proceedings. Mercer County, West Virginia was southwest of Staunton and still exists. It is next to Summers County, West Virginia so perhaps that is the place to look for some records. According to the paperwork of Katherine Bushman who did quite a bit of genealogical work including work on the Bushong, all housed at the Library of Virginia State Archives at Richmond, there were two John Summers living in Augusta County in circa 1700-1800 era. ------------------ On another note: I expect the Probate for the Herrington family from Vigo County, Indiana sometime this week as my check cleared over the weekend so when it comes, I will put it on the List if there is anything to share in it. AND we are patiently waiting for the results of the latest DNA test with another of the descendants of James Bushong and Druscilla Stout. Two more weeks, I believe. And one more thing to be stored in your brains: The men that have been participating in the Bushong DNA testing, for the most part, do not want a public website for everyone to see. That has been their decision from the very beginning when I established the testing and I will honor that no matter how much I am criticized for not having made it public accessed. Sorry about that. Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com