Gloria, you have helped me so much! I can never thank you enough. As you know, a lot of the information on ancestry.com is in error and my tree was a mess. Now, after learning from you, I don't add anything unless I can verify it. My Bushongs loved using the same names. Joy Brown Ray Granddaughter of Geneva Burch Bushong Sent from my iPad On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Russell Bushong <chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: > > > > Are you accusing me of fabrication Gloria? Presenting differing opinions or > new information or even a different way of viewing something, does not mean > that is cast in stone, it is simply that as humans we are all entitled to do > that. I thought this was a discussion group and not "my way or the highway" > but perhaps I am in error and if so, then it has been very nice chatting > with everyone. > Judy > -------------------------------------- > Addressed to Judy: > > > Wow, Judy lightening up. I've been down this road before and it sounds really really familiar. > > I believe I am probably the one presenting a different opinion and view and it looks like once again, I am being presented as the bad guy because I have a different view point on the issue then what is out there all over the Internet with the Bushong establishment. > > AND > > NO, I was not speaking about you directly at the end with the fabrication. I did address you at one point in the post and I used your name and your comment and gave my remarks. > > I started that post by the words SUBSCRIBERS so the last paragraph was suppose to be a summary to ALL and I was just generally addressing the List. > > My one error was not drawing a line between the last two paragraphs which was the end of that thought with you and the beginning of the summary. So I guess I'm human too. > > You have been putting good information on the List and I and the List appreciate that. The more information put on the List, the more accurate information we will all have. > > And You probably don't know the history of why this List was formed in the first place back in 2004 but then again maybe you do. But for those who don't know, it was because I was going against a well established Bushong hierarchy with all things, a differing opinion. Imagine that. > ----------------------------- > This I will address to all of the BUSHONG SUBSCRIBERS: > > How many of you know of fabrications, embellishments and avoidances in your own Bushong family? How many lawbreakers did you have that no one wanted to admit owning. > > Some family stories are pretty funny. Some are tragic. Some are embarrassing.Some are just made up fabrications to try to explain what isn't known. Right now the other List > is concentrating on all the embarrassing incidents in the Bushong family. That's okay. There's plenty of incidents reported in newspapers as this family definitely was and is not lily white and it all part of the interesting history. > > How about the spelling of Beauchamp as Bushong, which we know isn't correct since DNA has proven that the two DNA markers don't even come close. > > How many "facts" have been added after the fact that weren't in the original records? I am still wondering how the ages of Hans the original immigrant and his family made it into the ship manifest and none of the other passengers seem to have their ages listed. > > Genealogy is an exact science. There is a life. That life has paperwork. You follow the paper trail. You follow the original records. Don't let anyone tell you any differently. You check and re-check. > If you can't find the paperwork then you aren't looking in the right place. Spread out to surrounding counties. People did make it to courthouses. It might not be in the county courthouse that they lived in BUT it may be a surrounding county courthouse which was closer to them. A good example of this is the Bushongs of New Market who lived in Shenandoah County, many times went to the courthouse in Rockingham County because Harrisonburg was closer then Woodstock and the tolls imposed made it less expensive. > > HOWEVER The exception and surprise is NOW, even once you follow that exact paper trail, it might not be totally correct since DNA is playing a part into the family with the Mitchell/Bushong factor being introduced. > > However, Laws ARE cast in stone. There is a set procedure for court records and proceedings. It is the way the Courts were and still are run and procedures have to be followed. Any change in a name has to be recorded in the Court when a procedure has already been filed and is in play in the Courts. > > As you all know some researchers have filled in blanks, making assumptions, on the widow Isabella Young without any documentation to prove the premise and spread it all over the Internet. That is wrong. It will be interesting to see if it is ever admitted to as possibly not being correct. If someone comes up with proof that in the court proceedings in the settlement of Patrick Young it shows his widow as Isabell Summers, then I will be more then happy to retract this.And since Jannet Young was born circa 1752, she was the natural legal daughter of Patrick Young and wife Isabell. > > I believe that Patrick Young's court proceedings was in the courthouse in Staunton, Virginia which at that time, was the center of all court proceedings. Mercer County, West Virginia was southwest of Staunton and still exists. It is next to Summers County, West Virginia so perhaps that is the place to look for some records. > > According to the paperwork of Katherine Bushman who did quite a bit of genealogical work including work on the Bushong, all housed at the Library of Virginia State Archives at Richmond, there were two John Summers living in Augusta County in circa 1700-1800 era. > ------------------ > On another note: > I expect the Probate for the Herrington family from Vigo County, Indiana sometime this week as my check cleared over the weekend so when it comes, I will put it on the List if there is anything to share in it. > > AND we are patiently waiting for the results of the latest DNA test with another of the descendants of James Bushong and Druscilla Stout. Two more weeks, I believe. > > And one more thing to be stored in your brains: The men that have been participating in the Bushong DNA testing, for the most part, do not want a public website for everyone to see. That has been their decision from the very beginning when I established the testing and I will honor that no matter how much I am criticized for not having made it public accessed. Sorry about that. > > Gloria Neiger Bushong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you accusing me of fabrication Gloria? Presenting differing opinions or new information or even a different way of viewing something, does not mean that is cast in stone, it is simply that as humans we are all entitled to do that. I thought this was a discussion group and not "my way or the highway" but perhaps I am in error and if so, then it has been very nice chatting with everyone. Judy -------------------------------------- Addressed to Judy: Wow, Judy lightening up. I've been down this road before and it sounds really really familiar. I believe I am probably the one presenting a different opinion and view and it looks like once again, I am being presented as the bad guy because I have a different view point on the issue then what is out there all over the Internet with the Bushong establishment. AND NO, I was not speaking about you directly at the end with the fabrication. I did address you at one point in the post and I used your name and your comment and gave my remarks. I started that post by the words SUBSCRIBERS so the last paragraph was suppose to be a summary to ALL and I was just generally addressing the List. My one error was not drawing a line between the last two paragraphs which was the end of that thought with you and the beginning of the summary. So I guess I'm human too. You have been putting good information on the List and I and the List appreciate that. The more information put on the List, the more accurate information we will all have. And You probably don't know the history of why this List was formed in the first place back in 2004 but then again maybe you do. But for those who don't know, it was because I was going against a well established Bushong hierarchy with all things, a differing opinion. Imagine that. ----------------------------- This I will address to all of the BUSHONG SUBSCRIBERS: How many of you know of fabrications, embellishments and avoidances in your own Bushong family? How many lawbreakers did you have that no one wanted to admit owning. Some family stories are pretty funny. Some are tragic. Some are embarrassing.Some are just made up fabrications to try to explain what isn't known. Right now the other List is concentrating on all the embarrassing incidents in the Bushong family. That's okay. There's plenty of incidents reported in newspapers as this family definitely was and is not lily white and it all part of the interesting history. How about the spelling of Beauchamp as Bushong, which we know isn't correct since DNA has proven that the two DNA markers don't even come close. How many "facts" have been added after the fact that weren't in the original records? I am still wondering how the ages of Hans the original immigrant and his family made it into the ship manifest and none of the other passengers seem to have their ages listed. Genealogy is an exact science. There is a life. That life has paperwork. You follow the paper trail. You follow the original records. Don't let anyone tell you any differently. You check and re-check. If you can't find the paperwork then you aren't looking in the right place. Spread out to surrounding counties. People did make it to courthouses. It might not be in the county courthouse that they lived in BUT it may be a surrounding county courthouse which was closer to them. A good example of this is the Bushongs of New Market who lived in Shenandoah County, many times went to the courthouse in Rockingham County because Harrisonburg was closer then Woodstock and the tolls imposed made it less expensive. HOWEVER The exception and surprise is NOW, even once you follow that exact paper trail, it might not be totally correct since DNA is playing a part into the family with the Mitchell/Bushong factor being introduced. However, Laws ARE cast in stone. There is a set procedure for court records and proceedings. It is the way the Courts were and still are run and procedures have to be followed. Any change in a name has to be recorded in the Court when a procedure has already been filed and is in play in the Courts. As you all know some researchers have filled in blanks, making assumptions, on the widow Isabella Young without any documentation to prove the premise and spread it all over the Internet. That is wrong. It will be interesting to see if it is ever admitted to as possibly not being correct. If someone comes up with proof that in the court proceedings in the settlement of Patrick Young it shows his widow as Isabell Summers, then I will be more then happy to retract this.And since Jannet Young was born circa 1752, she was the natural legal daughter of Patrick Young and wife Isabell. I believe that Patrick Young's court proceedings was in the courthouse in Staunton, Virginia which at that time, was the center of all court proceedings. Mercer County, West Virginia was southwest of Staunton and still exists. It is next to Summers County, West Virginia so perhaps that is the place to look for some records. According to the paperwork of Katherine Bushman who did quite a bit of genealogical work including work on the Bushong, all housed at the Library of Virginia State Archives at Richmond, there were two John Summers living in Augusta County in circa 1700-1800 era. ------------------ On another note: I expect the Probate for the Herrington family from Vigo County, Indiana sometime this week as my check cleared over the weekend so when it comes, I will put it on the List if there is anything to share in it. AND we are patiently waiting for the results of the latest DNA test with another of the descendants of James Bushong and Druscilla Stout. Two more weeks, I believe. And one more thing to be stored in your brains: The men that have been participating in the Bushong DNA testing, for the most part, do not want a public website for everyone to see. That has been their decision from the very beginning when I established the testing and I will honor that no matter how much I am criticized for not having made it public accessed. Sorry about that. Gloria Neiger Bushong

I was good friends with Carol Wilsey Bell for many years Gloria and am aware of the situation which was a long time ago. I am delighted that you feel the information which I have been providing is useful and I will continue to do so. thanks Judy On 03/19/13, Russell Bushong<chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: Are you accusing me of fabrication Gloria? Presenting differing opinions or new information or even a different way of viewing something, does not mean that is cast in stone, it is simply that as humans we are all entitled to do that. I thought this was a discussion group and not "my way or the highway" but perhaps I am in error and if so, then it has been very nice chatting with everyone. Judy -------------------------------------- Addressed to Judy: Wow, Judy lightening up. I've been down this road before and it sounds really really familiar. I believe I am probably the one presenting a different opinion and view and it looks like once again, I am being presented as the bad guy because I have a different view point on the issue then what is out there all over the Internet with the Bushong establishment. AND NO, I was not speaking about you directly at the end with the fabrication. I did address you at one point in the post and I used your name and your comment and gave my remarks. I started that post by the words SUBSCRIBERS so the last paragraph was suppose to be a summary to ALL and I was just generally addressing the List. My one error was not drawing a line between the last two paragraphs which was the end of that thought with you and the beginning of the summary. So I guess I'm human too. You have been putting good information on the List and I and the List appreciate that. The more information put on the List, the more accurate information we will all have. And You probably don't know the history of why this List was formed in the first place back in 2004 but then again maybe you do. But for those who don't know, it was because I was going against a well established Bushong hierarchy with all things, a differing opinion. Imagine that. ----------------------------- This I will address to all of the BUSHONG SUBSCRIBERS: How many of you know of fabrications, embellishments and avoidances in your own Bushong family? How many lawbreakers did you have that no one wanted to admit owning. Some family stories are pretty funny. Some are tragic. Some are embarrassing.Some are just made up fabrications to try to explain what isn't known. Right now the other List is concentrating on all the embarrassing incidents in the Bushong family. That's okay. There's plenty of incidents reported in newspapers as this family definitely was and is not lily white and it all part of the interesting history. How about the spelling of Beauchamp as Bushong, which we know isn't correct since DNA has proven that the two DNA markers don't even come close. How many "facts" have been added after the fact that weren't in the original records? I am still wondering how the ages of Hans the original immigrant and his family made it into the ship manifest and none of the other passengers seem to have their ages listed. Genealogy is an exact science. There is a life. That life has paperwork. You follow the paper trail. You follow the original records. Don't let anyone tell you any differently. You check and re-check. If you can't find the paperwork then you aren't looking in the right place. Spread out to surrounding counties. People did make it to courthouses. It might not be in the county courthouse that they lived in BUT it may be a surrounding county courthouse which was closer to them. A good example of this is the Bushongs of New Market who lived in Shenandoah County, many times went to the courthouse in Rockingham County because Harrisonburg was closer then Woodstock and the tolls imposed made it less expensive. HOWEVER The exception and surprise is NOW, even once you follow that exact paper trail, it might not be totally correct since DNA is playing a part into the family with the Mitchell/Bushong factor being introduced. However, Laws ARE cast in stone. There is a set procedure for court records and proceedings. It is the way the Courts were and still are run and procedures have to be followed. Any change in a name has to be recorded in the Court when a procedure has already been filed and is in play in the Courts. As you all know some researchers have filled in blanks, making assumptions, on the widow Isabella Young without any documentation to prove the premise and spread it all over the Internet. That is wrong. It will be interesting to see if it is ever admitted to as possibly not being correct. If someone comes up with proof that in the court proceedings in the settlement of Patrick Young it shows his widow as Isabell Summers, then I will be more then happy to retract this.And since Jannet Young was born circa 1752, she was the natural legal daughter of Patrick Young and wife Isabell. I believe that Patrick Young's court proceedings was in the courthouse in Staunton, Virginia which at that time, was the center of all court proceedings. Mercer County, West Virginia was southwest of Staunton and still exists. It is next to Summers County, West Virginia so perhaps that is the place to look for some records. According to the paperwork of Katherine Bushman who did quite a bit of genealogical work including work on the Bushong, all housed at the Library of Virginia State Archives at Richmond, there were two John Summers living in Augusta County in circa 1700-1800 era. ------------------ On another note: I expect the Probate for the Herrington family from Vigo County, Indiana sometime this week as my check cleared over the weekend so when it comes, I will put it on the List if there is anything to share in it. AND we are patiently waiting for the results of the latest DNA test with another of the descendants of James Bushong and Druscilla Stout. Two more weeks, I believe. And one more thing to be stored in your brains: The men that have been participating in the Bushong DNA testing, for the most part, do not want a public website for everyone to see. That has been their decision from the very beginning when I established the testing and I will honor that no matter how much I am criticized for not having made it public accessed. Sorry about that. Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com

Thank you Cindy for your very nice comments. To answer your question as to why the census taker's wrote down different birth years for individuals, sometimes the entire family was not at home when the census taker arrived, so maybe it was a relative or elderly person giving the information. It might have even been the neighbors. People were not always certain of their exact ages in many cases, the census takers were in a rush or guessed at the ages of people, entering them at a later date or they mixed up the children. Often they didn't realize that the children were actually grandchildren or others, so you will find the entry for the children or even someone who was visiting the house on that day, recorded elsewhere. So census taking was certianly not an exact science until later years when accuracy was most important. There were also times when no one was at home, or the family lived down a muddy road and it was raining. You will also often find that the information given to a funeral director, or on a death certificate doesn't ring true at time and again, it was often because the person giving the information wasn't sure or was a distant relative. People often did not know the full names of their parents or grandparents, especially women, because they were called Grandma, Mama, Auntie, Sis or that kind of thing. Women's identities often fell through the cracks. Not all census takers were educated either. Since many adults could not read or write, and the children were in school, if the census taker asked the person giving the information to read it over, chances were, they would say it was fine as they didn't want to admit they were uneducated. Bible records can also be used to compare with census records. Judy On 03/19/13, Cindy Piercy<[1]cipiercy@hotmail.com> wrote: Hello Gloria..............since this "conversation" is about my husband's lineage, you've gotmy complete attention! What I am most concerned about is if Janet "Young" is the wife of John Bushong or not. It is through Patrick Young that the lineage goes back to theLamont (pronounced Lam'-it) Clan in Scotland. Which my husband is a member for manyyears now! I appreciate the research you do. And I love that you have documentation to back you up. ButI have emailed ancestry.com before to correct the misspellings of family names. So I know that mistakes can be made on documents. I like the information that Judy and others on this list contribute. I find it helpful and insightful and I don't want to see that end. So please everyone, keep up the good work. There may notever be "concrete" evidence, but we can assume from what documents there is availablewhat the assumption may be. I'm not an expert at genealogy, but I've noticed in my research that the census may havedifferent birth years. Why is that? I know in my own family this is so! The years may be offby 2-7 years! Is it that they didn't know what year they were born??? Or want to appear youngerthan they really are??? Did the census taker hear it wrong??? I haven't got not clue! I wish I had more personal time to put in this research but I work full time and there'snot always enough hours in the day! There are nights I stay up until 1 or 2 am researchingwhich makes it hard to wake up at 5:45 am to go to work! So thank you for all the time and money you put into all the research of documents. I greatly appreciate it! Cindy Lee *-) > To: [2]boschong@rootsweb.com > From: [3]chochoruss@aol.com > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:16:07 -0400 > Subject: [BOSCHONG] Re-Post of Will of John Summers and other thoughts > > > > > Boschong Subscribers, It drives me crazy the way researchers try to tie everything up into a neat little bow in genealogy with assumptions that they can't prove and for which there is no documentation and throw it in the middle of a lot of documented information hoping you won't notice and trying to explain things away. > > I refer to the quoted "marriage record" of June 1761 in Augusta County for John Summers and an Isabella with the assumption that she is the widow of Patrick Young so that then the lineage shows this couple with Jannet Young marrying John Bushong. > > I have already told you that none of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young reflects a marriage of Isabella, widow of Patrick Young to John Summers or anyone else for that matter and it would have to be referred to in order to keep the Estate proceedings legal. When she signed, it would have had to say Isabella Summers, late Isabella Young, widow of Patrick or something to that effect. Has anyone ever seen the final distribution of the Estate to see what it has as the names as the widow would have gotten 1/3 and the children would have each received 1/4 part of the rest of the Estate or however many children were still alive when the final settlement took place. If any of them died during the settlement period, then that would be reflected in the final settlement. If any married that would also be reflected in the final settlement. The final settlement wasn't until probably around 1770 since that is when the last child would have come of age using the approximate birth yea! r ! > of the first child at 1750 and last child at 1754. > > Some people think that when they see the word LATE in a court document, it means that the person died. Not so. Usually refers to her maiden name. There are a few exceptions but they usually are explained in the document. > > Back in 2008 I ordered a copy of the Will of John Summers, transcribed it and put it on the BOSCHONG List for the month of August 2008. Below you will find a re-post of that Will. > You will see that it clearly states that Isabelle Summers was John's natural daughter and in the Will it refers to her as Isabel Bushong which was her married name so there is no question or argument there. It also refers to a wife named Isabell. (The assumption is that this Isabell Todd, the widow of Patrick Young.) No proof out there just assumption. > > HOWEVER, in John Summers's Will it does not name Jannet Summers in the Will as a daughter for a very good reason. She is not his daughter, adopted or otherwise. NOR is she Patrick Young's daughter since that daughter was born circa 1752 and the Jannet that married John Bushong was born in 1761. Right? Remember that birth date of 1761 because it is plastered all over the Internet with Jannet married to John Bushong. So that would make her about 24 when she married John Bushong if math serves me correctly. Could she have been married before as Judy suggests. Possibly. That would make her maiden name unknown at this point as you would have to find the bond where she married a Summers. There are tons of Summers marriages out there very early and all with some of the same names. > > Just because a John Summers signed a marriage bond with John Bushong in 1785 when John was going to marry Jannet Summers does not mean that this is her father nor does it mean that she is Patrick Young's daughter since as I have said, that daughter was born circa 1752. > > Now how do I know that? Because if you had looked at the Will and Court records on the Guardianships in which the children were named, you would notice that Jannet was named BEFORE Alice who was born circa 1753. That means she was born before 1753. > > The way MOST Wills worked was this. > > Names of males named first, in birth order from oldest to youngest > Names of females named next, in birth order from oldest to youngest. > AND > Guardianship in Courts worked basically the same way. > Names of children in birth order but not always with males first. > > So in Patrick Young's Will states the order as boy first JAMES, and then girls in order, oldest to youngest: SARAH, JANNET AND ALICE > AND > In the Court Guardianship papers the order is: > 1761 - James, Sarah, Jannet, Alice > 1767 - James, Sarah Jannet, Elizabeth > ------------------------------------- > So how was Jannet Summers related to John Summers of the Will and Marriage Bond? No one really can say for sure. She was related, no argument there, but she might have been a niece, possible a daughter of an unknown Summers brother of John or James or a widow of a unknown Summers. I don't believe anyone has all of the history of the Summers from what was then Augusta County, present day Pendleton County, West Virginia which is the area that I believe they lived in before moving to Kentucky. A good example of this is who is NANCY SUMMERS named in the Pendleton County Deed that I posted back in October 2006? I'll re-post that in a few minutes. > > And yes, John Summers was married to an Isabella Young because in a chancery suit of 1761 it states LATE ISABELLA YOUNG. But that could have been her MAIDEN name. There is no marriage record for the Isabella, widow of Patrick Young, and believe me, if there was, it would have been referred to in all of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young. So we are looking at two totally different Isabella girls. One Isabella with the maiden name Young who married John Summers and probably with Isabella being related to Patrick Young in some way and one Isabella maiden name Todd who married Patrick Young and did not marry John Summers. > ------------------ > The Young surname referred to below is probably the maiden name of John Summer's wife and not the same Isabella Todd Young widow of Patrick Young. > > Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia > by Lyman Chalkley > County Court Judgments > Volume 1 > Page 344 > > November, 1766 (A) > > > Summers vs. Campbell.--John Summers and Isabella, his wife, late Isabella > Young, complain of James Campbell and Richard Woods. Bond dated 23d June, > 1761. > Page 342 > ------------------- > Barren County Kentucky Will Book I (1798 - 1818) > Will of John Summers > 11 March 1806 > Pages 57-58 > Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah > Film #209740 > > IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the eleventh day of March in the Year of our Lord > 1806. > I give and bequeath unto my lawful wife Isabel Summer the benefit of all > the cleared land on both my plantations as long as she shall live and at her > death to be sold and evenly devided between my three children Lawfully > begotten of my Boddy TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong and Samuel Summers which > is two hundred and fifty Acres. > I give and bequeath unto my five Children Lawfully begotten of my body all > my movable property TO WIT, John Summers, Mary Clark, Isabel Bushong, Samuel > Summers, William Summers to be at my wifes Choice when the division is to be made. > I give and bequeath unto my three Children Lawfully begotten of my body one > bond laying in James Youngs hands for two hundred and fifty Acres of land > TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers. > IN WITNESS whereof, I have set unto my hand and seal this day and year first > above written. > Signed, Sealed and Delivered in perfect mind. > John Summers, His Mark and Seal > > Teste: > Solomon Dickerson > Julius Marshall > > Barren County To Wit, April County Court 1806. > The foregoing Writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of John > Summers Deceased was produced in Court and Solomon Dickerson and Julius > Marshall Subscribing Witnesses thereto being Sworn deposeth that the said John > Summers did in their presence deliver the said Writing for his Will and that they > believe him to be in his proper sense and memory and thereupon the said > Writing was ordered to be Recorded as the true last Will and Testament of the said > John Summers, Deceased. > Teste. > W. 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  This is for Gloria and Judy-- Please, Please this has been an excellent debate and I'm sure when words are printed it can be taken in the wrong way OR understand why it was printed that way. Both of you have meant well in your researches, but please don't ruin a good relationship and we people that are new at this are enjoying whats going on. This has been one of the best weeks I think this List has had in a long, long time. Both of you are comparing notes and as Judy would say "Thinking Out Of The Box" gives inspiration. Take a break and walk-a-way from this for awhile. Go on to something else, you never know a person out their may have a answer. PLEASE!!!                                                                    NOEL EUGENE(BOSCHUNG)BUSHONG                                             

Subscribers, I don't know how I can make it any clearer then I have already stated but I will try one more time, going step by step so that hopefully the newbies will understand and learn something about the settlement of Estates, particularly back in old Virginia. The debate is whether widow Isabell Young married in June 1761, as many researchers are claiming, during the administration of the Estate of her deceased husband Patrick Young and for which she was appointed and qualified as Co-Administrix. I say No, she did not marry John Summers during the Estate administration duties because it absolutely would have been reflected in the Court between May 1761 and November 1762. And there is no indication of a name change with the widow which mean she did NOT marry during the 18 month time frame of which we are referring. ------------------------ Judy, You said: "But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.." ------------------------- I say: I don't know what you mean by filed in the distance future. Of course it would reflect a marriage of the widow Isabell IF a marriage had actually occurred during the administration of Patrick Young's Estate between 1761 - 1762. And like I have said - Bushong researchers are saying that a marriage did occur in June 1761. That did not happen if this Isabell married John Summers with that marriage date. It would have to be a totally different Isabelle. If you go back and look at the time frame for presentation of Patrick Young's Will to the Court on 19 May 1761 and the court proceedings on 18 November 1762 (which really couldn't have been the Final Settlement of this Estate since none of the minor children had come of age in the year of 1762), you will see that she signed her name Isabell Young in both May 1761 and November 1762. But at this point in the discussion to be clear, it is not WHEN the Final Settlement took place, it is the IMPORTANT dates of 19 May 1761 and 18 November 1762. During that 18 month period in the Court Records, Isabell signs her name Isabell Young as co-administrix. Never Isabell Summers. What Patrick Young spelled out in his Will about his wife if she remarried, at this point is irrelevant. And yes there were those men that prayed on helpless widows even back then, especially if there was property to be gained and the deceased was trying to protect children from this happening. Researchers can fabricate anyway they want to create a family tree but facts and documents will usually reflect those fabrications and prove them wrong. If a document is found then that is a good thing but there has to be a document. You just don't fill in the blanks to explain away facts that aren't there. Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: jacassidy22 <jacassidy22@verizon.net> To: boschong <boschong@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [BOSCHONG] Re-Post of Will of John Summers and other thoughts It is late so just a couple thoughts. Had Isabelle Young, widow of Patrick remarried, she most likely didn't do it so quickly that it would have been mentioned in his Estate Settlement or that she would have signed off as Isabell Summers, if I understand you correctly. I don't know whether or not he put into his will the bit about if his wife remarried, her portion to his children as they so often did. Most men didn't want their estate going to line the pockets of the next husband. But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.. A marriage bond cost money, sometimes up to $100.00. Often the surety of the bond, who signature was on the bond, was the back up in case the groom did not have the money. That person was often a relative or good friend. A marriage bond was not a marriage license, it was a promise that if the bride was under age, she had her parents or guardians permission to marry, that the bond was backed by the surety. There were many times, when a bond exists, but the marriage did not actually take place. Strangers that the bride and groom did not know, did not sign marriage bonds, unless they were an official. Mercer Co., KY has a great collection of marriage bonds and marriage licenses which followed. I will check them tomorrow. Judy

Hello Gloria..............since this "conversation" is about my husband's lineage, you've gotmy complete attention! What I am most concerned about is if Janet "Young" is the wife of John Bushong or not. It is through Patrick Young that the lineage goes back to theLamont (pronounced Lam'-it) Clan in Scotland. Which my husband is a member for manyyears now! I appreciate the research you do. And I love that you have documentation to back you up. ButI have emailed ancestry.com before to correct the misspellings of family names. So I know that mistakes can be made on documents. I like the information that Judy and others on this list contribute. I find it helpful and insightful and I don't want to see that end. So please everyone, keep up the good work. There may notever be "concrete" evidence, but we can assume from what documents there is availablewhat the assumption may be. I'm not an expert at genealogy, but I've noticed in my research that the census may havedifferent birth years. Why is that? I know in my own family this is so! The years may be offby 2-7 years! Is it that they didn't know what year they were born??? Or want to appear youngerthan they really are??? Did the census taker hear it wrong??? I haven't got not clue! I wish I had more personal time to put in this research but I work full time and there'snot always enough hours in the day! There are nights I stay up until 1 or 2 am researchingwhich makes it hard to wake up at 5:45 am to go to work! So thank you for all the time and money you put into all the research of documents. I greatly appreciate it! Cindy Lee *-) > To: boschong@rootsweb.com > From: chochoruss@aol.com > Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:16:07 -0400 > Subject: [BOSCHONG] Re-Post of Will of John Summers and other thoughts > > > > > Boschong Subscribers, It drives me crazy the way researchers try to tie everything up into a neat little bow in genealogy with assumptions that they can't prove and for which there is no documentation and throw it in the middle of a lot of documented information hoping you won't notice and trying to explain things away. > > I refer to the quoted "marriage record" of June 1761 in Augusta County for John Summers and an Isabella with the assumption that she is the widow of Patrick Young so that then the lineage shows this couple with Jannet Young marrying John Bushong. > > I have already told you that none of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young reflects a marriage of Isabella, widow of Patrick Young to John Summers or anyone else for that matter and it would have to be referred to in order to keep the Estate proceedings legal. When she signed, it would have had to say Isabella Summers, late Isabella Young, widow of Patrick or something to that effect. Has anyone ever seen the final distribution of the Estate to see what it has as the names as the widow would have gotten 1/3 and the children would have each received 1/4 part of the rest of the Estate or however many children were still alive when the final settlement took place. If any of them died during the settlement period, then that would be reflected in the final settlement. If any married that would also be reflected in the final settlement. The final settlement wasn't until probably around 1770 since that is when the last child would have come of age using the approximate birth year ! > of the first child at 1750 and last child at 1754. > > Some people think that when they see the word LATE in a court document, it means that the person died. Not so. Usually refers to her maiden name. There are a few exceptions but they usually are explained in the document. > > Back in 2008 I ordered a copy of the Will of John Summers, transcribed it and put it on the BOSCHONG List for the month of August 2008. Below you will find a re-post of that Will. > You will see that it clearly states that Isabelle Summers was John's natural daughter and in the Will it refers to her as Isabel Bushong which was her married name so there is no question or argument there. It also refers to a wife named Isabell. (The assumption is that this Isabell Todd, the widow of Patrick Young.) No proof out there just assumption. > > HOWEVER, in John Summers's Will it does not name Jannet Summers in the Will as a daughter for a very good reason. She is not his daughter, adopted or otherwise. NOR is she Patrick Young's daughter since that daughter was born circa 1752 and the Jannet that married John Bushong was born in 1761. Right? Remember that birth date of 1761 because it is plastered all over the Internet with Jannet married to John Bushong. So that would make her about 24 when she married John Bushong if math serves me correctly. Could she have been married before as Judy suggests. Possibly. That would make her maiden name unknown at this point as you would have to find the bond where she married a Summers. There are tons of Summers marriages out there very early and all with some of the same names. > > Just because a John Summers signed a marriage bond with John Bushong in 1785 when John was going to marry Jannet Summers does not mean that this is her father nor does it mean that she is Patrick Young's daughter since as I have said, that daughter was born circa 1752. > > Now how do I know that? Because if you had looked at the Will and Court records on the Guardianships in which the children were named, you would notice that Jannet was named BEFORE Alice who was born circa 1753. That means she was born before 1753. > > The way MOST Wills worked was this. > > Names of males named first, in birth order from oldest to youngest > Names of females named next, in birth order from oldest to youngest. > AND > Guardianship in Courts worked basically the same way. > Names of children in birth order but not always with males first. > > So in Patrick Young's Will states the order as boy first JAMES, and then girls in order, oldest to youngest: SARAH, JANNET AND ALICE > AND > In the Court Guardianship papers the order is: > 1761 - James, Sarah, Jannet, Alice > 1767 - James, Sarah Jannet, Elizabeth > ------------------------------------- > So how was Jannet Summers related to John Summers of the Will and Marriage Bond? No one really can say for sure. She was related, no argument there, but she might have been a niece, possible a daughter of an unknown Summers brother of John or James or a widow of a unknown Summers. I don't believe anyone has all of the history of the Summers from what was then Augusta County, present day Pendleton County, West Virginia which is the area that I believe they lived in before moving to Kentucky. A good example of this is who is NANCY SUMMERS named in the Pendleton County Deed that I posted back in October 2006? I'll re-post that in a few minutes. > > And yes, John Summers was married to an Isabella Young because in a chancery suit of 1761 it states LATE ISABELLA YOUNG. But that could have been her MAIDEN name. There is no marriage record for the Isabella, widow of Patrick Young, and believe me, if there was, it would have been referred to in all of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young. So we are looking at two totally different Isabella girls. One Isabella with the maiden name Young who married John Summers and probably with Isabella being related to Patrick Young in some way and one Isabella maiden name Todd who married Patrick Young and did not marry John Summers. > ------------------ > The Young surname referred to below is probably the maiden name of John Summer's wife and not the same Isabella Todd Young widow of Patrick Young. > > Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia > by Lyman Chalkley > County Court Judgments > Volume 1 > Page 344 > > November, 1766 (A) > > > Summers vs. Campbell.--John Summers and Isabella, his wife, late Isabella > Young, complain of James Campbell and Richard Woods. Bond dated 23d June, > 1761. > Page 342 > ------------------- > Barren County Kentucky Will Book I (1798 - 1818) > Will of John Summers > 11 March 1806 > Pages 57-58 > Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah > Film #209740 > > IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the eleventh day of March in the Year of our Lord > 1806. > I give and bequeath unto my lawful wife Isabel Summer the benefit of all > the cleared land on both my plantations as long as she shall live and at her > death to be sold and evenly devided between my three children Lawfully > begotten of my Boddy TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong and Samuel Summers which > is two hundred and fifty Acres. > I give and bequeath unto my five Children Lawfully begotten of my body all > my movable property TO WIT, John Summers, Mary Clark, Isabel Bushong, Samuel > Summers, William Summers to be at my wifes Choice when the division is to be made. > I give and bequeath unto my three Children Lawfully begotten of my body one > bond laying in James Youngs hands for two hundred and fifty Acres of land > TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers. > IN WITNESS whereof, I have set unto my hand and seal this day and year first > above written. > Signed, Sealed and Delivered in perfect mind. > John Summers, His Mark and Seal > > Teste: > Solomon Dickerson > Julius Marshall > > Barren County To Wit, April County Court 1806. > The foregoing Writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of John > Summers Deceased was produced in Court and Solomon Dickerson and Julius > Marshall Subscribing Witnesses thereto being Sworn deposeth that the said John > Summers did in their presence deliver the said Writing for his Will and that they > believe him to be in his proper sense and memory and thereupon the said > Writing was ordered to be Recorded as the true last Will and Testament of the said > John Summers, Deceased. > Teste. > W. Logan, Clerk > -------------------------------------------------- > Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you accusing me of fabrication Gloria? Presenting differing opinions or new information or even a different way of viewing something, does not mean that is cast in stone, it is simply that as humans we are all entitled to do that. I thought this was a discussion group and not "my way or the highway" but perhaps I am in error and if so, then it has been very nice chatting with everyone. Judy On 03/19/13, Russell Bushong<chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: Subscribers, I don't know how I can make it any clearer then I have already stated but I will try one more time, going step by step so that hopefully the newbies will understand and learn something about the settlement of Estates, particularly back in old Virginia. The debate is whether widow Isabell Young married in June 1761, as many researchers are claiming, during the administration of the Estate of her deceased husband Patrick Young and for which she was appointed and qualified as Co-Administrix. I say No, she did not marry John Summers during the Estate administration duties because it absolutely would have been reflected in the Court between May 1761 and November 1762. And there is no indication of a name change with the widow which mean she did NOT marry during the 18 month time frame of which we are referring. ------------------------ Judy, You said: "But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.." ------------------------- I say: I don't know what you mean by filed in the distance future. Of course it would reflect a marriage of the widow Isabell IF a marriage had actually occurred during the administration of Patrick Young's Estate between 1761 - 1762. And like I have said - Bushong researchers are saying that a marriage did occur in June 1761. That did not happen if this Isabell married John Summers with that marriage date. It would have to be a totally different Isabelle. If you go back and look at the time frame for presentation of Patrick Young's Will to the Court on 19 May 1761 and the court proceedings on 18 November 1762 (which really couldn't have been the Final Settlement of this Estate since none of the minor children had come of age in the year of 1762), you will see that she signed her name Isabell Young in both May 1761 and November 1762. But at this point in the discussion to be clear, it is not WHEN the Final Settlement took place, it is the IMPORTANT dates of 19 May 1761 and 18 November 1762. During that 18 month period in the Court Records, Isabell signs her name Isabell Young as co-administrix. Never Isabell Summers. What Patrick Young spelled out in his Will about his wife if she remarried, at this point is irrelevant. And yes there were those men that prayed on helpless widows even back then, especially if there was property to be gained and the deceased was trying to protect children from this happening. Researchers can fabricate anyway they want to create a family tree but facts and documents will usually reflect those fabrications and prove them wrong. If a document is found then that is a good thing but there has to be a document. You just don't fill in the blanks to explain away facts that aren't there. Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: jacassidy22 <[1]jacassidy22@verizon.net> To: boschong <[2]boschong@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 11:38 pm Subject: Re: [BOSCHONG] Re-Post of Will of John Summers and other thoughts It is late so just a couple thoughts. Had Isabelle Young, widow of Patrick remarried, she most likely didn't do it so quickly that it would have been mentioned in his Estate Settlement or that she would have signed off as Isabell Summers, if I understand you correctly. I don't know whether or not he put into his will the bit about if his wife remarried, her portion to his children as they so often did. Most men didn't want their estate going to line the pockets of the next husband. But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.. A marriage bond cost money, sometimes up to $100.00. Often the surety of the bond, who signature was on the bond, was the back up in case the groom did not have the money. That person was often a relative or good friend. A marriage bond was not a marriage license, it was a promise that if the bride was under age, she had her parents or guardians permission to marry, that the bond was backed by the surety. There were many times, when a bond exists, but the marriage did not actually take place. Strangers that the bride and groom did not know, did not sign marriage bonds, unless they were an official. Mercer Co., KY has a great collection of marriage bonds and marriage licenses which followed. I will check them tomorrow. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:jacassidy22@verizon.net 2. mailto:boschong@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com

Taken from Michael L. Cook, Mercer County Kentucky Records, vol. 2, Kentucky Record Series, Vol 26, Cook Publications, Evansville, IN 47712, pg. 6: It was necessary for a person applying for a marriage license to provide a bond conditioned that the way was clear for the couple to marry, and surety to be provided by two persons. These were often relatives, at, at least, friends of the bride or groom. In addition, written consents were required from a parent or guardian if the bride or groom was under 21 years, or a certificate stating that the bride or groom was of age if there was any question. These consents, often on small tattered and torn pieces of paper, present most valuable data for genealogical research by identifying parentage or relationships. The bonds for the period from 1786 ato 1835 were not bound into book form but are loose in the files of the county. This book faithfully transcribes the information on those loose papers. Not all of the bonds indicating marriages are still to be found. Not all of the marriage records indicated by the bonds are in the Marriage Registers. This is possibly accounted for by situations where the marriage ws performed outside the county, or by neglect of the person performing the marriages to return the certificate to the clerk. Often the names were not spelled the same in the bond or marriage certificate, taking into consideration the vagarities of spelling. Judy

The McCracken-Dean Funeral Home Pana, Illinois 19 December 2008 Donald F. Gabhart, Jr. 5 November 1952 - 18 December 2008 Donald F. Gabhart, Jr., 56, of Moweaqua, died Thursday, 18 December 2008 in Memorial Medical Center, Springfield. He was born 5 November 1952 in Decatur, Illinois, the son of Donald F. and Marjorie Bushong Gabhart. Donald graduated from Lakeview High School in Decatur, Illinois, and served in the U.S. Army during Vietnam. He lived most of his life in the Moweaqua area, and retired from Kal-Kan in Mattoon, Illiois, where he was a maintenance technician. Donald and his wife, Marilyn had been licensed foster parents for several years. He was a member of the First Baptist Church, Pana; Moweaqua American Legion Post #370; Moweaqua VFW; & NRA. Donald married Marilyn Brown on 21 October 1978 in Decatur, Illinois. He is survived by his wife: Marilyn Gabhart, Moweaqua, Illinois; children: Matt McGlauchlen, Decatur, Illinois; Donald F. Gabhart III, Decatur, Illinois; & Keegan Gabhart at home; 4 grandchildren: Triston Morse & Ryan, Autum, & Makayla McGlauchlen; sisters: Karen Howard, Springfield, Illiinois; Carol Brooks & husband Terry, Atlanta, Illinois; & Penny Renthrow & husband Randy, Channahon, Illinois. He was preceded in death by his parents. Funeral services will be Tuesday, 23 December 2008 in the First Baptist Church, Pana at 10:30 a.m. with Pastor Greg White officiating. Burial will be in Mound Cemetery, Pana with graveside military rites by Moweaqua American Legion Post #370. Visitation will be Monday from 5 - 8 p.m. in McCracken-Dean Funeral Home. ----------------------- Researched and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong

It is late so just a couple thoughts. Had Isabelle Young, widow of Patrick remarried, she most likely didn't do it so quickly that it would have been mentioned in his Estate Settlement or that she would have signed off as Isabell Summers, if I understand you correctly. I don't know whether or not he put into his will the bit about if his wife remarried, her portion to his children as they so often did. Most men didn't want their estate going to line the pockets of the next husband. But the Estate settlement of Patrick Young would not have reflected the marriage of his wife in all likely hood unless it was filed sometime in the distance future.. A marriage bond cost money, sometimes up to $100.00. Often the surety of the bond, who signature was on the bond, was the back up in case the groom did not have the money. That person was often a relative or good friend. A marriage bond was not a marriage license, it was a promise that if the bride was under age, she had her parents or guardians permission to marry, that the bond was backed by the surety. There were many times, when a bond exists, but the marriage did not actually take place. Strangers that the bride and groom did not know, did not sign marriage bonds, unless they were an official. Mercer Co., KY has a great collection of marriage bonds and marriage licenses which followed. I will check them tomorrow. Judy On 03/18/13, Russell Bushong<[1]chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: Boschong Subscribers, It drives me crazy the way researchers try to tie everything up into a neat little bow in genealogy with assumptions that they can't prove and for which there is no documentation and throw it in the middle of a lot of documented information hoping you won't notice and trying to explain things away. I refer to the quoted "marriage record" of June 1761 in Augusta County for John Summers and an Isabella with the assumption that she is the widow of Patrick Young so that then the lineage shows this couple with Jannet Young marrying John Bushong. I have already told you that none of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young reflects a marriage of Isabella, widow of Patrick Young to John Summers or anyone else for that matter and it would have to be referred to in order to keep the Estate proceedings legal. When she signed, it would have had to say Isabella Summers, late Isabella Young, widow of Patrick or something to that effect. Has anyone ever seen the final distribution of the Estate to see what it has as the names as the widow would have gotten 1/3 and the children would have each received 1/4 part of the rest of the Estate or however many children were still alive when the final settlement took place. If any of them died during the settlement period, then that would be reflected in the final settlement. If any married that would also be reflected in the final settlement. The final settlement wasn't until probably around 1770 since that is when the last child would have come of age using the approximate birth year ! of the first child at 1750 and last child at 1754. Some people think that when they see the word LATE in a court document, it means that the person died. Not so. Usually refers to her maiden name. There are a few exceptions but they usually are explained in the document. Back in 2008 I ordered a copy of the Will of John Summers, transcribed it and put it on the BOSCHONG List for the month of August 2008. Below you will find a re-post of that Will. You will see that it clearly states that Isabelle Summers was John's natural daughter and in the Will it refers to her as Isabel Bushong which was her married name so there is no question or argument there. It also refers to a wife named Isabell. (The assumption is that this Isabell Todd, the widow of Patrick Young.) No proof out there just assumption. HOWEVER, in John Summers's Will it does not name Jannet Summers in the Will as a daughter for a very good reason. She is not his daughter, adopted or otherwise. NOR is she Patrick Young's daughter since that daughter was born circa 1752 and the Jannet that married John Bushong was born in 1761. Right? Remember that birth date of 1761 because it is plastered all over the Internet with Jannet married to John Bushong. So that would make her about 24 when she married John Bushong if math serves me correctly. Could she have been married before as Judy suggests. Possibly. That would make her maiden name unknown at this point as you would have to find the bond where she married a Summers. There are tons of Summers marriages out there very early and all with some of the same names. Just because a John Summers signed a marriage bond with John Bushong in 1785 when John was going to marry Jannet Summers does not mean that this is her father nor does it mean that she is Patrick Young's daughter since as I have said, that daughter was born circa 1752. Now how do I know that? Because if you had looked at the Will and Court records on the Guardianships in which the children were named, you would notice that Jannet was named BEFORE Alice who was born circa 1753. That means she was born before 1753. The way MOST Wills worked was this. Names of males named first, in birth order from oldest to youngest Names of females named next, in birth order from oldest to youngest. AND Guardianship in Courts worked basically the same way. Names of children in birth order but not always with males first. So in Patrick Young's Will states the order as boy first JAMES, and then girls in order, oldest to youngest: SARAH, JANNET AND ALICE AND In the Court Guardianship papers the order is: 1761 - James, Sarah, Jannet, Alice 1767 - James, Sarah Jannet, Elizabeth ------------------------------------- So how was Jannet Summers related to John Summers of the Will and Marriage Bond? No one really can say for sure. She was related, no argument there, but she might have been a niece, possible a daughter of an unknown Summers brother of John or James or a widow of a unknown Summers. I don't believe anyone has all of the history of the Summers from what was then Augusta County, present day Pendleton County, West Virginia which is the area that I believe they lived in before moving to Kentucky. A good example of this is who is NANCY SUMMERS named in the Pendleton County Deed that I posted back in October 2006? I'll re-post that in a few minutes. And yes, John Summers was married to an Isabella Young because in a chancery suit of 1761 it states LATE ISABELLA YOUNG. But that could have been her MAIDEN name. There is no marriage record for the Isabella, widow of Patrick Young, and believe me, if there was, it would have been referred to in all of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young. So we are looking at two totally different Isabella girls. One Isabella with the maiden name Young who married John Summers and probably with Isabella being related to Patrick Young in some way and one Isabella maiden name Todd who married Patrick Young and did not marry John Summers. ------------------ The Young surname referred to below is probably the maiden name of John Summer's wife and not the same Isabella Todd Young widow of Patrick Young. Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia by Lyman Chalkley County Court Judgments Volume 1 Page 344 November, 1766 (A) Summers vs. Campbell.--John Summers and Isabella, his wife, late Isabella Young, complain of James Campbell and Richard Woods. Bond dated 23d June, 1761. Page 342 ------------------- Barren County Kentucky Will Book I (1798 - 1818) Will of John Summers 11 March 1806 Pages 57-58 Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah Film #209740 IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the eleventh day of March in the Year of our Lord 1806. I give and bequeath unto my lawful wife Isabel Summer the benefit of all the cleared land on both my plantations as long as she shall live and at her death to be sold and evenly devided between my three children Lawfully begotten of my Boddy TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong and Samuel Summers which is two hundred and fifty Acres. I give and bequeath unto my five Children Lawfully begotten of my body all my movable property TO WIT, John Summers, Mary Clark, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers, William Summers to be at my wifes Choice when the division is to be made. I give and bequeath unto my three Children Lawfully begotten of my body one bond laying in James Youngs hands for two hundred and fifty Acres of land TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers. IN WITNESS whereof, I have set unto my hand and seal this day and year first above written. Signed, Sealed and Delivered in perfect mind. John Summers, His Mark and Seal Teste: Solomon Dickerson Julius Marshall Barren County To Wit, April County Court 1806. The foregoing Writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of John Summers Deceased was produced in Court and Solomon Dickerson and Julius Marshall Subscribing Witnesses thereto being Sworn deposeth that the said John Summers did in their presence deliver the said Writing for his Will and that they believe him to be in his proper sense and memory and thereupon the said Writing was ordered to be Recorded as the true last Will and Testament of the said John Summers, Deceased. Teste. W. Logan, Clerk -------------------------------------------------- Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:chochoruss@aol.com 2. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com

Since Pendleton WVA is west of Harrisonburg, I would imagine that this Jacob Bushong of the County of Augusta (which was huge until they broke it up), and Nancy Summers are of a different Line. Judy On 03/18/13, Russell Bushong<chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: 1818 Pendleton Co. VA Indenture - Jacob Bushong, Philip Haines, Nancy Summers First posted 24 October 2006 -------- Pendleton County Virginia Deed Book 7 now West Virginia Page 222 17 June 1818 THIS INDENTURE made the 17th day of June in the year of our Lord One Thousand eight hundred and eighteen between Nancy Summers of the County of Pendleton in the State of Virginia of the one part and Philip Haines Executor of Jacob Bushong Deceased of the County of Augusta and State aforesaid, WITNESSETH, that Whereas James Summers the late husband of the said Nancy Summers did in his life time sell and Convey unto the above named Jacob Boshong dec'd. a Certain Tract or parcel of Land lying and being in the County of Pendleton aforesaid Containing about six Hundred acres and adjoining the lands of Jacob Eye and others. NOW THEREFORE this Indenture further WITHNESSETH, that the said Nancy Summers Widow and Relict of the aforesaid James Summers dec.'d for and consideration of the sum of One hundred dollars good and lawful money to her the said Nancy Summers in hand paid the Receipt Whereof is hereby acknowledged, hath Covenanted, Bargained, Sold, made over and Relinquished, and by these presents do Covenant, Bargain, Sell make over and relinquish unto the said Philip Haines Executor as aforesaid, his heirs, Excor. Adms. and assigns forever all her Dower, right title and interest of Dower, of in and to the Tract or parcel of land aforesaid, with the appurtenances thereunto Belonging or in anywise appertaining on Testimony whereof the said Nancy Summers hath hereunto set her hand and seal the day and year first above written. Nancy Summers, Her X Mark and Seal In the presence of. --------- Augusta County To Wit: We Alex.d St. Clair and John Wayt Magistrates of the said County do hereby certify that Nancy Summers party to the within Conveyance hath duly acknowledged the same before us on the 17th day of June 1818 and desired us to certify that said acknowledgment to the Clerk of the County Court of Pendleton in order that the said Conveyance may be Recorded. As witness our hands and seals. Alex.d St. Clair, Seal Jno. Wayt, Seal At a Court held for Pendleton County the 3rd day of August 1819. This Deed was presented to Court and being Certified as above is Ordered to be Recorded. Teste. T. Dyer, Clerk Pendleton County ----------- Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [1]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com

>From MARRYIN - IN II The Bushong, Ransom, Day and Clover families that married into the Amos L. Hochstetler #6281 family. By Damon Smith Hostetler and Bette Jane Smith Hostetler Published 1999 ------------------- KNOW ALL MEN BY THESE PRESENTS That we JOHN BESHONG and JOHN SUMMERS are held and firmly bound unto his Excellency the Governor of Virginia in the Sum of Fifty pounds Current money, to the payment whereof will truly to be made to the said Governor and his Successors we bind ourselves our heirs Executors and Administrators Jointly and Severally firmly by these presents. Sealed with our hands and dated this 6th day of April 1785. The Condition of the above obligation is such that whereas there is a Marriage shortly intended to be Solemnized between the above bound John Beshong and Jannet Summers. For which a license has issued. Now if there be no Lawful cause to obstruct the said Marriage then this Obligation to be Void or else to remain in full force. JOHN BISHONG, His Signature and Seal JOHN SUMMERS, His signature and Seal Sealed and Delivered in presents of: WILLIS GOEN ------------------------- Researched by Damon Hostetler, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong

1818 Pendleton Co. VA Indenture - Jacob Bushong, Philip Haines, Nancy Summers First posted 24 October 2006 -------- Pendleton County Virginia Deed Book 7 now West Virginia Page 222 17 June 1818 THIS INDENTURE made the 17th day of June in the year of our Lord One Thousand eight hundred and eighteen between Nancy Summers of the County of Pendleton in the State of Virginia of the one part and Philip Haines Executor of Jacob Bushong Deceased of the County of Augusta and State aforesaid, WITNESSETH, that Whereas James Summers the late husband of the said Nancy Summers did in his life time sell and Convey unto the above named Jacob Boshong dec'd. a Certain Tract or parcel of Land lying and being in the County of Pendleton aforesaid Containing about six Hundred acres and adjoining the lands of Jacob Eye and others. NOW THEREFORE this Indenture further WITHNESSETH, that the said Nancy Summers Widow and Relict of the aforesaid James Summers dec.'d for and consideration of the sum of One hundred dollars good and lawful money to her the said Nancy Summers in hand paid the Receipt Whereof is hereby acknowledged, hath Covenanted, Bargained, Sold, made over and Relinquished, and by these presents do Covenant, Bargain, Sell make over and relinquish unto the said Philip Haines Executor as aforesaid, his heirs, Excor. Adms. and assigns forever all her Dower, right title and interest of Dower, of in and to the Tract or parcel of land aforesaid, with the appurtenances thereunto Belonging or in anywise appertaining on Testimony whereof the said Nancy Summers hath hereunto set her hand and seal the day and year first above written. Nancy Summers, Her X Mark and Seal In the presence of. --------- Augusta County To Wit: We Alex.d St. Clair and John Wayt Magistrates of the said County do hereby certify that Nancy Summers party to the within Conveyance hath duly acknowledged the same before us on the 17th day of June 1818 and desired us to certify that said acknowledgment to the Clerk of the County Court of Pendleton in order that the said Conveyance may be Recorded. As witness our hands and seals. Alex.d St. Clair, Seal Jno. Wayt, Seal At a Court held for Pendleton County the 3rd day of August 1819. This Deed was presented to Court and being Certified as above is Ordered to be Recorded. Teste. T. Dyer, Clerk Pendleton County ----------- Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong

Boschong Subscribers, It drives me crazy the way researchers try to tie everything up into a neat little bow in genealogy with assumptions that they can't prove and for which there is no documentation and throw it in the middle of a lot of documented information hoping you won't notice and trying to explain things away. I refer to the quoted "marriage record" of June 1761 in Augusta County for John Summers and an Isabella with the assumption that she is the widow of Patrick Young so that then the lineage shows this couple with Jannet Young marrying John Bushong. I have already told you that none of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young reflects a marriage of Isabella, widow of Patrick Young to John Summers or anyone else for that matter and it would have to be referred to in order to keep the Estate proceedings legal. When she signed, it would have had to say Isabella Summers, late Isabella Young, widow of Patrick or something to that effect. Has anyone ever seen the final distribution of the Estate to see what it has as the names as the widow would have gotten 1/3 and the children would have each received 1/4 part of the rest of the Estate or however many children were still alive when the final settlement took place. If any of them died during the settlement period, then that would be reflected in the final settlement. If any married that would also be reflected in the final settlement. The final settlement wasn't until probably around 1770 since that is when the last child would have come of age using the approximate birth year of the first child at 1750 and last child at 1754. Some people think that when they see the word LATE in a court document, it means that the person died. Not so. Usually refers to her maiden name. There are a few exceptions but they usually are explained in the document. Back in 2008 I ordered a copy of the Will of John Summers, transcribed it and put it on the BOSCHONG List for the month of August 2008. Below you will find a re-post of that Will. You will see that it clearly states that Isabelle Summers was John's natural daughter and in the Will it refers to her as Isabel Bushong which was her married name so there is no question or argument there. It also refers to a wife named Isabell. (The assumption is that this Isabell Todd, the widow of Patrick Young.) No proof out there just assumption. HOWEVER, in John Summers's Will it does not name Jannet Summers in the Will as a daughter for a very good reason. She is not his daughter, adopted or otherwise. NOR is she Patrick Young's daughter since that daughter was born circa 1752 and the Jannet that married John Bushong was born in 1761. Right? Remember that birth date of 1761 because it is plastered all over the Internet with Jannet married to John Bushong. So that would make her about 24 when she married John Bushong if math serves me correctly. Could she have been married before as Judy suggests. Possibly. That would make her maiden name unknown at this point as you would have to find the bond where she married a Summers. There are tons of Summers marriages out there very early and all with some of the same names. Just because a John Summers signed a marriage bond with John Bushong in 1785 when John was going to marry Jannet Summers does not mean that this is her father nor does it mean that she is Patrick Young's daughter since as I have said, that daughter was born circa 1752. Now how do I know that? Because if you had looked at the Will and Court records on the Guardianships in which the children were named, you would notice that Jannet was named BEFORE Alice who was born circa 1753. That means she was born before 1753. The way MOST Wills worked was this. Names of males named first, in birth order from oldest to youngest Names of females named next, in birth order from oldest to youngest. AND Guardianship in Courts worked basically the same way. Names of children in birth order but not always with males first. So in Patrick Young's Will states the order as boy first JAMES, and then girls in order, oldest to youngest: SARAH, JANNET AND ALICE AND In the Court Guardianship papers the order is: 1761 - James, Sarah, Jannet, Alice 1767 - James, Sarah Jannet, Elizabeth ------------------------------------- So how was Jannet Summers related to John Summers of the Will and Marriage Bond? No one really can say for sure. She was related, no argument there, but she might have been a niece, possible a daughter of an unknown Summers brother of John or James or a widow of a unknown Summers. I don't believe anyone has all of the history of the Summers from what was then Augusta County, present day Pendleton County, West Virginia which is the area that I believe they lived in before moving to Kentucky. A good example of this is who is NANCY SUMMERS named in the Pendleton County Deed that I posted back in October 2006? I'll re-post that in a few minutes. And yes, John Summers was married to an Isabella Young because in a chancery suit of 1761 it states LATE ISABELLA YOUNG. But that could have been her MAIDEN name. There is no marriage record for the Isabella, widow of Patrick Young, and believe me, if there was, it would have been referred to in all of the Estate settlement of Patrick Young. So we are looking at two totally different Isabella girls. One Isabella with the maiden name Young who married John Summers and probably with Isabella being related to Patrick Young in some way and one Isabella maiden name Todd who married Patrick Young and did not marry John Summers. ------------------ The Young surname referred to below is probably the maiden name of John Summer's wife and not the same Isabella Todd Young widow of Patrick Young. Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia by Lyman Chalkley County Court Judgments Volume 1 Page 344 November, 1766 (A) Summers vs. Campbell.--John Summers and Isabella, his wife, late Isabella Young, complain of James Campbell and Richard Woods. Bond dated 23d June, 1761. Page 342 ------------------- Barren County Kentucky Will Book I (1798 - 1818) Will of John Summers 11 March 1806 Pages 57-58 Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah Film #209740 IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN the eleventh day of March in the Year of our Lord 1806. I give and bequeath unto my lawful wife Isabel Summer the benefit of all the cleared land on both my plantations as long as she shall live and at her death to be sold and evenly devided between my three children Lawfully begotten of my Boddy TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong and Samuel Summers which is two hundred and fifty Acres. I give and bequeath unto my five Children Lawfully begotten of my body all my movable property TO WIT, John Summers, Mary Clark, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers, William Summers to be at my wifes Choice when the division is to be made. I give and bequeath unto my three Children Lawfully begotten of my body one bond laying in James Youngs hands for two hundred and fifty Acres of land TO WIT, John Summers, Isabel Bushong, Samuel Summers. IN WITNESS whereof, I have set unto my hand and seal this day and year first above written. Signed, Sealed and Delivered in perfect mind. John Summers, His Mark and Seal Teste: Solomon Dickerson Julius Marshall Barren County To Wit, April County Court 1806. The foregoing Writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of John Summers Deceased was produced in Court and Solomon Dickerson and Julius Marshall Subscribing Witnesses thereto being Sworn deposeth that the said John Summers did in their presence deliver the said Writing for his Will and that they believe him to be in his proper sense and memory and thereupon the said Writing was ordered to be Recorded as the true last Will and Testament of the said John Summers, Deceased. Teste. W. Logan, Clerk -------------------------------------------------- Researched, Transcribed and Submitted by Gloria Neiger Bushong

Well you just never know, but perhaps a traveler will do that at some point. I don't know if the Paletines to American group has done it. I was just so lucky with Loch, and of course the LDS has records for various parts of Germany and Switzerland and the Bushong etc. name. One day when I am up in Doylestown, PA where they have these LDS records, will take a look, who knows, it might shed some light on the locations. On 03/18/13, Russell Bushong<chochoruss@aol.com> wrote: No, no one has ever jumped the ocean and found the village that the Bushongs came from. Not a single one of them. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: jacassidy22 <[1]jacassidy22@verizon.net> To: boschong <[2]boschong@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:43 pm Subject: [BOSCHONG] Couple of General Questions Has anyone worked with the Records of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, searching in the location where the Bushongs arrived from, actually does anyone know exactly where they came from? I only found out about my Loch's from Church Records in Bucks Co. where the elders were named and where they arrived from, a real piece of luck. Or has anyone visited the area? Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:jacassidy22@verizon.net 2. mailto:boschong@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com

No, no one has ever jumped the ocean and found the village that the Bushongs came from. Not a single one of them. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: jacassidy22 <jacassidy22@verizon.net> To: boschong <boschong@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:43 pm Subject: [BOSCHONG] Couple of General Questions Has anyone worked with the Records of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, searching in the location where the Bushongs arrived from, actually does anyone know exactly where they came from? I only found out about my Loch's from Church Records in Bucks Co. where the elders were named and where they arrived from, a real piece of luck. Or has anyone visited the area? Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOSCHONG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone worked with the Records of the Church of the Latter Day Saints, searching in the location where the Bushongs arrived from, actually does anyone know exactly where they came from? I only found out about my Loch's from Church Records in Bucks Co. where the elders were named and where they arrived from, a real piece of luck. Or has anyone visited the area? Judy

Immigrants sailed into Philadelphia and Delaware, then those going south, went from PA and Maryland, fording the Potomac at Shepardstown, WVA at the Old Packhorse Ford and on to their final destinations. This account on page 25 of German New River Settlement, confirms what I learned years ago while doing Low Dutch Research as those families settled for a time near Shepardstown. The old Packhorse Ford still exists and Shepardstown is delightful, if you ever get there. At its peak, it was a very busy place with wagons lined up for a few miles to cross over. The walls of an old hotel or Inn still stand. The area is near Harpers Ferry. Judy

There were established Church's in Montgomery Co, Va. In the copy of the Deed of Old St. Peters 5 Aug. 1806, is mention that there was a Lutheran Calvinistic Church on Tom's Creek James Patton sold unto John Wall, and Michael Surface, Elders of this Church a tract or parcel containing 4 acres, part of the 7,000 acre tract of James Patter by letters bearing the date of ???175? lying in Montgomery Co. on a branch of Stroubles Creek and bounded as follows beginning at a stake by th eedge of a meadow on the south side of the GERMAN CHURCH on Jacob Price's land ....to have and to hold all rights unto the said John Wall and Michael Surface and their successors forever, to and for the use of the said German Church. Among the signers were John Preston, Frances Preston, John Breckenridge and John Brown Executors. (Several the neighbors of Andreas Bushong and located near his property). "The Promise was made to the Lutheran-Calvanistic German Church. Apparently it was built and was still standing o the lot and had been built some years before, probably as early as 1780. It is doubtful if thr were any deeds secured for Church property prior to 1780. Mention is made in the will of Adam Wall 1799 ( and Land Patent) of a schoolhouse that stood at one corner of his place near the mouth of Stroubles Creek." "St. Peters was evidently organized early at McDonald Fort and moved to the site, as located in the above deed about 1770 and the log building that was standing in 1806 was built about 1780. This site was chosen because it was central to the people of the Upper Thoms and Stroubles Creeks as well as to the lower section of said Creeks, as well as the settlements that spread from each creek centering at the site of the Church." One problem is that apparently the records remained in the hands of the minister Beginning in 1795 Rev. William E. Hubbert was the last minister to preach there before it was torn down. They probably had a supply minister prior to that. A new St. Peters was built about 2 1/2 miles from the old church. The baptismal lists beginning in 1793 were published in this book, but I see no Bushongs. Marriage records don't begin until 1799, so basically the supply ministers probably kept the records at their homes and took them with them when they left and they have been lost. Judy Rev. Ulysses S. A. Heavener, German New River Settlement, pg 35-36, Gen. Pub. 1981. What became of those Church Records, perhaps they still exist, although I have not seen them.