I beg the indulgence of list owners for this one time--two downloads, today and tomorrow of the names submitted to me as per my quest. TO THOSE WONDERING WHAT THIS IS ABOUT...PLEASE DO NOT ASK. THIS IS A COMPILATION OF PERSONALLY COLLECTED FAMILY CHRISTIAN NAMES SUBMITTED TO ME OVER A THREE WEEK PERIOD AND ALPHABETIZED. LOOKING FOR A MISSING RELLY, THEN CHECK SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES! Just file this file away in your Family Tree folder and refer to it if needed. There are specific sites to visit for generic Christian names, but none are as personal as these. CHRISTIAN NAMES AND THEIR DERIVATIVES--THE BRITISH ISLES I cannot even begin to thank all the contributors to this list. It is obvious that many names are children's attempts at pronouncing their own, or their relatives' names. And it is just as probable that these derivatives were once thought of as "cute" affectations. On a more sinister note, changing one's name to a derivative may have saved a life or two...a coded label. These names probably stuck and became the most familiar within a "family context." Add to this, the respective accents from the various corners of the Isles, and the tradition of scribing phonetically, and we can see the obvious assault on a "good Christian name," makes appropriate sense only in a reasoned given context. These names stretch the length and breadth of the British Isles and are not indigenous to any specific area. If there are repeats, please fix them. I will fix my own once my eyes un-cross! The first name in a string is capitalized and was apparently, according to the contributors, was the name given upon Christening. The others may be Christening names as well as derivatives. It all depended upon who wrote to contribute and what circumstances they gave. Don't forget this URL as posted by: "Dee Lerch" <dlerch@uniserve.com>," "The source is from an article at www.genealogy.com on the Importance of Given Names. Here is the website address for the article [http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/35_donna.html]." She writes: "I conduct a one name study, that's all families, all times, worldwide, of one surname. Re first name patterns It varies enough in England to be an utterly unreliable method of working out whom belongs to whom, I've not even tried to, but it is very common to find a surname used as a first name, often it was the mother's maiden name or a grandmothers maiden surname. Usually one son is named after the father, but not necesarily the first or the third son. It can be difficult to see a pattern when the first four generations all called their first sons the same name. The pattern doesn't say if the fifth son was named after anyone, down here often a name was used twice if the first child died they named another the same. Some distinctive names do run in families. Alice will appear from apparently nowhere and become favoured for two or three generations, or skip a generation. One of my own 19th c families nearly ran out of girls names after 8 on the trot, the first son and 9th child was named Jeremiah after his father...he should by pattern have been a John. I often see a child named after an uncle too." Lynn T "From: Vivienne S Dunstan <viv.dunstan@one-name.org> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Naming Pattern Dee Lerch <dlerch@uniserve.com> wrote: Naming Pattern popular between 1700 and 1875 in UK as follows. The first son was named after the father's father The second son was named after the mother's father The third son was named after the father The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother The first daughter after the mother's mother The second daughter after the father's mother The third daughter after the mother The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister Could you tell me the source for this please? In all my studies I've never seen any indication of a popular UK-wide pattern in this period. There is evidence from the past of a Scottish pattern, but there seems less evidence of a single English pattern, let alone any overall UK one. There is a very common pattern that researchers see in lowland Scottish families during the pre-1900 period, and that runs to 1st son after father's father 2nd son after mother's father 3rd son after father 1st dau after mother's mother 2nd dau after father's mother 3rd dau after mother But there were enough variations in this pattern even in lowland Scotland to caution people against relying upon it completely, and to extend any "standard" pattern beyond the first 3 sons/daughters is pushing any idea of "standardization" way too far IMHO. For a detailed discussion of this see for example Gerald Hamilton-Edwards' "In seach of Scottish ancestry" Chapter 5 (other Scottish genealogy textbooks should also cover naming patterns to varying degrees). In my, albeit more limited experience of English research, I've found it hard to detect evidence of any kind of pattern, though something that I have seen (albeit more in southern England) is a fairly high chance of a couple naming son 1 after the father (i.e. the child's father) and daughter 1 after the mother. Beyond that any naming seems to be very varied. This extends across England east-west. Moving further north I've seen some cases of what looks at the start like a Scottish pattern, but then it varies again: more often than not drawing on biblical (non family) names for the younger children. And back in Scotland (in the Borders) where one parent is from England (I wish the census returns were more precise on cross-Border birthplaces!) there seems less chance of the Scottish pattern being upheld when it comes to naming children. Can other listers comment on any pattterns or otherwise on the English side of the border, e.g. in the Northumberland/Cumberland area? Was there something approaching a Scottish pattern, or was the situation very different? Was there even a pattern at all? Experiences from single families are interesting, but it can be easier to look for overall patterns if you've examined many many families in an area, e.g. perhaps as part of a local or community history project. If anyone falls into this category and can comment on the naming patterns I'd be delighted to hear from you. Ditto for any written commentary on the subject (that can be substantiated). Viv Dunstan Fife, Scotland (but originally from Roxburghshire) http://www.vivdunstan.clara.net/ P.S. Apologies if the naming pattern given at the top comes from a published book or likewise, but I suspect that it may be false whatever. Even something in a published book can be incorrect :)" ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** A ANN: Anne, Any, Anny, Anney, Annie, Anie, Nan, Nancy, Anna, Annie, Annette, Netty or Nettie, Nina ALEXANDER: Alex, Alec ALEXANDRA: Ailie, Allie ALAN: Al, Allan, Alen, Allen, Alfred, Alphonse, Aloicious, Albert AGNES [Nan, Nancy, Nessie, Nesta, Aggie. Ag] B [see also Elizabeth] BARBARA: Barb, Babs Biddy Barbi. BETTY: Bett, Bette, Bettie BESSIE: Bess, Betsy BELL: Isobel [?] BENJAMIN: Benji, Benny, Ben and can be female as well as male BURWELL: Burl, Beryl, Berrill, Burrill, Barwell [some of these may be male or female] BETHANIA: Beth, Bethany, Bethanie, Bett C CATHERINE: Cat, Kate, Katie, Kattie, Cate, Rin, Cathy, Katrin, Katrine, Katrina, Kit, Kay, Kath, Katy, Kathy, Kathleen, Kathryn, Katrine CHARLOTTE: Chattie, Lottie, Tottie, Charity, Charlie, Char CHARLES: Charley, Chas, Chuck CECILIA: Cecil, Cecile, Cissy, Sissy, Sis, Ciss, Cesille CHRISTIAN: Chris, Christopher D DONALD: Daniel, Dan, Danny, Donny, Donie, Danie, Donnie, Dannie DOROTHY: Dorothea, Dot, Dottie, Doff, Doss, Doris, Dolly DAVID: Davey, Davie, Davis, Dave E EDWARD: Ed, Edword, Ted, Teddy ELIZABETH: Elizabeth, Bithia, Elizebeth, Bethia, Lizzy, Liza, Beth, Lisa, Bee, Leasa, Lisbeth, Bessey, Elisa, Elisha, Elisabeth, Elisebeth, Bette, Libby, Beth,Beatrix, Beatrice, Bett, Bethany, Bethanie, Bethia, Lilibet, Lillibeth, Betsey, Lillibet, Betsy, Lillibett, Betts, Lizbeth, Lisbeth, Eliza, Elisha, Bess, Alisa, Bette, Bea, Libby, Bessie, Bitzen, Beth Lynn, Beth Lynne, Bethlynn, Bethlynne, Dicey, Lillias, Lilias, Lillian, Lillia, Lilia, Lily, Lilly, Liba, Elspeth, Lizzie, Lit, Bathia, Elspet, Besse EDITH: Eddie, Eatith [family quirk] ELLEN: Nellie, Nelly EUNICE: Nicey [Neecy], Unity F FRANCIS: Frances, Fran, Franny, Fan, Fanny G GEORGINA: Gig [soft "g], Georgie, Georgy, Doddie [?], GEORGE: Geordie GERALD: Jerry, Jerrie, Gerry, Gerrie GERTRUDE: Gertie, Gerty, Gert, Gerdy H HENRY: Harry, Hank, Henri [m/f] HELEN: Helena, Hellena, Peg [stature], Ellen, Hellen, Elenor, Eleanora, Elaine, Ella, Lena, Leanora HENRIETTA: Nettie HARRIET: Hattie HENDERSON: Hence, Henry, Hendie I ISOBEL: Bell J JANE: Janet, Janey, Jenny, Jen, Jessie, Jess, Jean, Jane, Jeanie, Jinty, Jessica JESSIE: [see Jane][Janet or Jean or Jenny or Jane all appear interchangable] JOHN: {more Scottish than English} Jonathon, Jonathan [both more English than Scottish apparently], Jean, Jotham JAMES: Jamie, Jamey, Jay, Jammie JULY: Judy, Jullie, Jully, Julia, Ulie, Ulia JUDY: Judith, [as above] JOAN: Joanie, Oanie, Onie [maybe another Jessie through-back] K KATTIE: Kate, Katie L LYNE: Lynn, Lynne, Lynnet, Lynnette LAURA: Laurie, Lolly, Lol, Lora, Lori, Lorrie, Lara (?) LAURIE [MALE]: Laurence LAURENCE: Laurie, Lawrence M MARY: Marie, Mary-Ann, Mary-Anne, Maria, Marion, Marian, Mollie, Molly, May, Mhairi [Scot.], Moyra, Moira, Minnie, Mamie MARY-HELEN: Nell MARGARET: Marge, Margie, Margret, Peggie, Peggy, Peg, Maggie, Meg, Mar, Marg, Peggity, MIGNONETTE: Minnie MANUEL: Manny, Manning N NORMAN: Normon, Norme, Norm NANCY: Nan O P POLLY: Appalonia, Pollianna, Polly Ann, Polly Anne, Polly Anna, Mary Ann, Annie Q R S T THOMPSON: Tomas, Thom, Thomas, Thomos, Tommy, Tommie, Tom THEODORE: Theo, Ted, Tibor U V W WILLIAM: Willie, Will, Bill, Billy X Y Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NAMES TO SORT TO ABOVE LIST AS COPIED FROM E-MAILS...too many to retype! FEMALE CHARLOTTE [Chattie, Lottie, Tottie, Charity, Charlie, Char] CHRISTINA [Christine, Chrissie, Christian, Tina, Teenie] ELIZABETH [Elisabeth, Beth, Betty, Betsy, Bess, Eliza, Liz, Lizzie, Lilah,Isabella] EUPHEMIA [Effie, Eppie, Euphan, Phemie] FLORA [Florence, Florrie, Flossie, Flo] GRACE [Grissel, Grizel] HELEN [Ellen, Lena, Nellie, Ella] HENRIETTA [Etta, Henny, Hetty, Retta] ISABELLA / ISOBEL [Bella, Ella, Ibbie, Isa, Tibbie] JANET [Jan, Jane, Jessie, Jean, Joan, Nettie, Jenny, Jeannie] JEAN [Jane, Janet, Jessie, Jenny, Nettie] JEMIMA [Mima, Jemmy, Jenny] MARGARET [Maggie or Maggy, Meg, Peggy, Margo, Margot] MARY [Molly, Polly, May, Myra, Marian, Marion, Marilyn, Maureen, Moira, Maisie, Minnie] MATILDA [Maud, Mattie, Pattie, Tilly, Tilda] PATRICIA [Patty, Pat, Patsy, Tricia] SARAH [Sara, Sally] VICTORIA [Queenie, Vicky, Vicky, Vi, Violet, Tori, Torie, Toria] WILLHEMINA [Mina, Willie, Hemmy] MALE ALBERT [Al, Bert, Albie, Bertie] ALEXANDER [Alec, Alex, Ecky, Sandy, Andy] EDWARD [Ted, Ed, Eddie] GEORGE [Dodd, Geordie, Gordy, Todd, Georgie] HUGH [Hew, occasionally Chug or Chuggie] JAMES [Jamie, Jim, Jas, Ian] JOHN [Jack, Jock, Jno, Joe, Johnny, Ian, Sean] LAWRENCE [Laurence, Larry, Laurie] PETER [Pete, Patrick] RICHARD [Rick, Dick, Ricky, Chad] ROBERT [Rob, Robbie, Bob, Rab, Rabbie, Bert] THOMAS [Tommy, Tam, Tom] WILFRED [Fred, Freddie, Will, Willie, Wilfy, Bill, Billy] WILLIAM [Bill, Billy, Will, Willie, Liam] NOTE: Some abbreviations can come from different Christian names e.g. BERT could come from Albert, Bertram, Herbert, Egbert, Hubert, Wilber, Wilburt. George is also "Jack" Amanda is "Manda", "Mandy" and I also go "Emaud" Louisa can be "Lou" "Louie" or "Louise" Cordelia can be "Della" , "Lia" Cynthia can be "Cinda", "Cindy" or "Cidda" Louada can be "Ada", "Lodie" or "Addie" or "Lou" Hiram can be "Harm" I have an aunty whose name is Elizabeth but is called Elsie My husband is Robert called Bob and Bobby My uncle is Robert called Bert, Bob or his son also Robert is called Rob. My mother Margaret is called Peg or Peggy(or Peggi) All meant to confuse us regards Elaine Suddens in NZ( only Elaine or E or Ainey) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OF SPECIAL NOTE IS THIS LIST SENT IN BY DEAN...a persistent wee devilish lad... I can't be bothered retyping this lot...so I just copied and pasted. "I finally found my little book of Christian names, so here are the more common girls and boys names. Anne. [Hebrew] >From the name Hannah. Annabel, Annabelle, Annabella (all 3 also with one N), Anna, Ann, Annette, Anette, Anita, Annetta, Anetta, Annie, Nan, Nancy, Nanette, Nina, Nita. Elizabeth [Hebrew] Elisabeth, Elisabetta, Elsa, Elsbeth, Else, Elsie, Lisabet, Lisbeth, Lisabeth, Lisbet, Bess, Bessie, Beth, Betsy, Bette, Bettina, Betty, Libby, Lisa, Lise, Lizzie, Elspeth. Elizabetta, Lizabeth, Lizbeth, Lizabet, Lizbet, Liza, Lize, Elisa, Eliza. Helen [Greek] Helena, Helene, Eleanor, Elena, Elene, Elenore, Elinore, Ella, Ellen, Lenore, Leonora, Leonore, Lora, Lorine, Ellie, Nell, Nellie, Nora, Aileen, Eileen, Ilene. Jane [Hebrew] Janice, Jenny, Jancy, Janet, Jayne, Jean, Jan, Jeanne, Jeannette, Jeanette, Jeanine, Joan, Joanna, Janine, Joanne, Johanna. NB: Jessica, while often used as a derivitive, is in fact not a derivitive of Jane. Jessica, Jessie, Jesse. Katherine [Greek] Catherine, Cathrine, Cathryn, Cathy, Cate, Cara, Catey, Catie, Cath, Cathleen (all can be spelt with either K or C), Kitty, Kay, Kit, Karen, Karin, Karyn, Ina, Catriona. Mary [Hebrew] Mara, Maria, Marie, Mariam, Marian, Marianne, Marietta, Mariette, Marilyn, Marion, Maureen, Minette, Miriam, Moira, Mimi, Mollie, Molly,Polly, Mamie, Minnie, May, Maree, Maire. Margaret [Hebrew] Marguerite, Margarete, Margarita, Madge, Meg, Peg,Peggy, Maisie, Maggie, Margot, Rita, Margery, Margo, Marjorie, Greta, Marge, Margie. These are the main girls names, if you want any others, please feel free to ask. Alexander [Greek] Alasdair, Alastair, Alister, Sandy, Alex, Alec, Lex Charles [Teutonic {German}] Carl, Charlie, Charley, Chas Edward [Anglo-Saxon] Ed, Eddie, Eddy, Ned, Ted, Teddy. James [Hebrew] Hamish, Jacob, Seamus, Shamus, Jack, Jamie, Jim, Jimmie, Jimmy, Jock. John [Hebrew] Jon, Johnnie, Johnny, Jack, Jackie, Shane, Ian, Iain, Jock NB: Jonathan, while often considered, and used as, a derivitive of John is, in fact, a different name. Richard [Anglo-Saxon] Ricard, Rickert, Dick, Dicky, Rick, Ricky, Richie, Ritchie, Rich, Ritch Robert [Teutonic] Rupert, Robertson, Robinson, Bob, Bobby, Rob, Robb, Robby, Robin, Rab Most of the mens names are reasonably obvious, but many of the women's ones are not. Again, if there are any others you would like to know, please ask. Dean. Lower Hutt, NZ." THANKS AGAIN TO ALL THE CONTRIBUTORS AL DEMPSTER