My great-grandmother was Mary BOOKLESS Rutherford BAPTIE. Evidently her husband died before she married my grandfather. She had a son, Jock RUTHERFORD, b. 1874 who was a gamekeeper at Dumfries, Scotland. He married Margaret. I am sorry the information is so sketchy, but maybe this is a piece of someone's puzzle. Gail Hubbard > > #8 Rutherford's [Chris & Sheila Hale <cshale@home.c] > #9 Re: Rutherford's ["J. Gregory Barron" <jgbarron@mind] > #10 '91 Census Rox; Certain Parishes ["Arnott, J&H" <jta@islandnet.com>] > #11 Is Anyone Missing William THOMPSON [JMTsparks@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from BORDER-D, send a message to > > BORDER-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re Mystery > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 16:55:35 +0100 > From: "Kay Liney" <kay@knockard.freeserve.co.uk> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > In 1881 my great uncle John MacDougall is a Boots at Tower Knowe Hotel > in Hawick, The Hotel Keeper is John Robertson aged 44, his wife Mary S > Robertson age 39 b Glasgow. By 1890 John is a Hotel Keeper in Chapel en > Le Frith, Derbyshire where his first child is born. The parents name her > Mary Stewart Robertson MacDougall. Not after the wife's mother, but > after his former employer's wife. Question is did the Robertsons help to > set John up in his own hotel. I don't suppose I will ever know > Kay > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Names > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 13:13:23 -0600 > From: "Marilen" <tucar@uswest.net> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Researchers, > > Some months ago, somebody posted a small article about the traditional order > of naming family members (e.g. 1st. child: Named after father’s father and > so on). If any of you has that article in your archive, could you be so > kind to send me a copy of it? Thank you very much. > > Maria > Orem, Utah, USA > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Naming Pattern > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 12:39:44 -0700 > From: "Dee Lerch" <dlerch@uniserve.com> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Naming Pattern popular between > 1700 and 1875 in UK as follows. > > - The first son was named after the father's father > - The second son was named after the mother's father > - The third son was named after the father > - The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother > - The first daughter after the mother's mother > - The second daughter after the father's mother > -The third daughter after the mother > - The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister > > Dear Researchers, > > Some months ago, somebody posted a small article about the traditional order > of naming family members (e.g. 1st. child: Named after father's father and > so on). If any of you has that article in your archive, could you be so > kind to send me a copy of it? Thank you very much. > > Maria > Orem, Utah, USA > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Name Variations > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:40:46 +0100 > From: "Lynn Tennant" <lynn@ancestors-in-yorkshire.fsnet.co.uk> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Glennys, > I know nothing of Scottish research but in my neck of the woods > Jno =John > Jas =James > > My regards > Lynn T > Interest in Connochie Kinlochleven / Selkirk? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John and Glennys Gow <jggow@bigpond.com> > To: <> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 2:10 AM > Subject: Name Variations > > > Hi listers, > > > > My Border ancestor Jane Blair was also known as Jean which I understand is > > fairly commonplace. > > > > Can anyone confirm for me that the abbreviations > > > > Jno = John > > Jas = James > > > > Thanks, > > Glennys Gow in Lismore, NSW > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ruth Edwards" <bredwards@datafast.net.au> > > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:18 PM > > Subject: Re Names > > > > > > > Hi Al, > > > How about Barbara, there is Barb, Babs Biddy Barbi. > > > Anyone think of any more. > > > Ruth Edwards > > > Australia > > > > > > ______________________________ > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: Wondering > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 23:09:27 +0100 > From: "Helen Weddell" <icedancer@mail.com> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Please! I would like to know the answer to this one as well. > Helen in Sussex > Researching; > WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON + ROUGHT = Norfolk and Suffolk borders > MORLEY + POTTS + SCOTT + GLASS + CARDY = Scottish Borders and Northern > England > NUNN + L'ESTRANGE + HOLTON + SYKES + CLAYTON = India and UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicky Young [mailto:nickyy@hotkey.net.au] > Sent: 22 October 2000 12:34 > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Wondering > > Hello > My father was in the Merchant Navy for a short period > sometime in the 1920's, and I was wondering if anyone knows > if there is any way I can get details of his records.Or any > websites that will give me information. > Thanks in Advance > Nicky Young > > ______________________________ > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Parish Records, Roxburghshire. > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:41:46 +1300 > From: "Brian & Dianne Dixon" <bddixon@inet.net.nz> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello there, > Many thanks to each and everyone of you who posted replys to my request regarding occupations and the location of Riddletonhill. It was very overwhelming to say the least. My thanks once again. > I can now trace the movements of my 3xG.Grandfather from 1829 - 1851. Still have to find and confirm his birth which on the 1851 census records him as being born at Maxton. > To J.Gregory Barron :- Thankyou for your reply. My 3x G.Grandfather recordered as living at Riddletonhill as a steward in 1829 was Robert Rutherford at the birth of his eldest son called Robert. We have similiar names. Robert's 4th son was called George and his only daughter, 7th child was called Helen. Is there a link between your George and my Robert. > To Stephen Karner :- I am willing to look up the film on the Linton Parish register for you. I have access to the film at our L.D.S. library for another week. However, I must inform you that the early part of the register is very hard to read, some of it I think is in Latin, very small writing and very hard to see. It is easier to read from approximately 1750 onwards and goes through to 1854. Please let me know what you would like me to research and I'll try and do my best. > To Peter Kerse :- Thankyou for your great list of occupations. I will look for your names etc and post to you, hopefully I can be of some help to you also. > Good luck with family research, > Dianne Dixon > New Zealand. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Parish Records, Roxburghshire. > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:20:39 -0400 > From: "J. Gregory Barron" <jgbarron@mindspring.com> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello again! > I'm happy you received many positive responses. I am fasinated that we may > have a match with your Robert RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Riddletonhill, and > my 3X great grandfather George RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Minto! I read in > just the previous post about naming patterns and the 4th son was to be named > after the father's eldest brother! And according to you, Robert's 4th son is > named GEORGE. Before I get carried away, do you know of your Robert's > parents and siblings? I would be happy to learn more. I have reached the > proverbial wall on this incredible line. ( They were even farm stewards at > the same time-1830's!) I look forward to hearing from you again. > > Thank you > J Greg Barron > jgbarron@mindspring.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian & Dianne Dixon <bddixon@inet.net.nz> > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:41 PM > Subject: Parish Records, Roxburghshire. > > > Hello there, > > Many thanks to each and everyone of you who posted replys to my request > regarding occupations and the location of Riddletonhill. It was very > overwhelming to say the least. My thanks once again. > > I can now trace the movements of my 3xG.Grandfather from 1829 - 1851. > Still have to find and confirm his birth which on the 1851 census records > him as being born at Maxton. > > To J.Gregory Barron :- Thankyou for your reply. My 3x G.Grandfather > recordered as living at Riddletonhill as a steward in 1829 was Robert > Rutherford at the birth of his eldest son called Robert. We have similiar > names. Robert's 4th son was called George and his only daughter, 7th child > was called Helen. Is there a link between your George and my Robert. > > To Stephen Karner :- I am willing to look up the film on the Linton Parish > register for you. I have access to the film at our L.D.S. library for > another week. However, I must inform you that the early part of the register > is very hard to read, some of it I think is in Latin, very small writing > and very hard to see. It is easier to read from approximately 1750 onwards > and goes through to 1854. Please let me know what you would like me to > research and I'll try and do my best. > > To Peter Kerse :- Thankyou for your great list of occupations. I will look > for your names etc and post to you, hopefully I can be of some help to you > also. > > Good luck with family research, > > Dianne Dixon > > New Zealand. > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Rutherford's > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 19:20:43 -0600 > From: Chris & Sheila Hale <cshale@home.com> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > I have a Thomas Rutherford b. est 1816/17 at Hawick who married > my GGAutn Christian Scott in 1843 at Yarrow Selkirk. He was a > Gamekeeper. Children I know about include Jane, Thomas, David, > George and Walter Beattie Rutherford born between 1844 and 1853 > most at Bellendean, Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland. > > Does he fit in with your Rutherford's > > Sheila I Hale > > "J. Gregory Barron" wrote: > > > > Hello again! > > I'm happy you received many positive responses. I am fasinated that we may > > have a match with your Robert RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Riddletonhill, and > > my 3X great grandfather George RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Minto! I read in > > just the previous post about naming patterns and the 4th son was to be named > > after the father's eldest brother! And according to you, Robert's 4th son is > > named GEORGE. Before I get carried away, do you know of your Robert's > > parents and siblings? I would be happy to learn more. I have reached the > > proverbial wall on this incredible line. ( They were even farm stewards at > > the same time-1830's!) I look forward to hearing from you again. > > > > Thank you > > J Greg Barron > > jgbarron@mindspring.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Rutherford's > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 22:58:51 -0400 > From: "J. Gregory Barron" <jgbarron@mindspring.com> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Thank you for your response. I am only now begining to scratch the surface > of the RUTHERFORD family history. The furthest back I have yet gone is a > birth entry in Minto, Roxburgh showing the birth of my gg grandmother, Helen > Rutherford to her father George RUTHERFORD on 3 Jan 1830. It states he is a > farm steward. His wife Mina EASTON may have been the " ladies maid of the > Countess of Minto." I speculate George may have worked at the Earl's estate > and farm (Earl Gilbert Elliot). > George RUTHERFORD had a son John who owned a major firm in HAWICK: Turner, > Rutherford & Co. Ltd.. Established in 1880, it survived almost 100 years as > a hoisey factory with offices in London also. I know little of this John > RUTHERFORD other than his date of birth: 3 May 1833. Hawick, by the way, is > the nearest big town to Minto. Your Thomas may be a brother to my George > Rutherford or cousin from the dates you offer. > Again, please stay in touch and thank you for your interesting response.@ > > J Gregory Barron > Atlanta, Georgia, USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris & Sheila Hale <cshale@home.com> > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:20 PM > Subject: Rutherford's > > > I have a Thomas Rutherford b. est 1816/17 at Hawick who married > > my GGAutn Christian Scott in 1843 at Yarrow Selkirk. He was a > > Gamekeeper. Children I know about include Jane, Thomas, David, > > George and Walter Beattie Rutherford born between 1844 and 1853 > > most at Bellendean, Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland. > > > > Does he fit in with your Rutherford's > > > > Sheila I Hale > > > > > > > > "J. Gregory Barron" wrote: > > > > > > Hello again! > > > I'm happy you received many positive responses. I am fasinated that we > may > > > have a match with your Robert RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Riddletonhill, > and > > > my 3X great grandfather George RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Minto! I > read in > > > just the previous post about naming patterns and the 4th son was to be > named > > > after the father's eldest brother! And according to you, Robert's 4th > son is > > > named GEORGE. Before I get carried away, do you know of your Robert's > > > parents and siblings? I would be happy to learn more. I have reached the > > > proverbial wall on this incredible line. ( They were even farm stewards > at > > > the same time-1830's!) I look forward to hearing from you again. > > > > > > Thank you > > > J Greg Barron > > > jgbarron@mindspring.com > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: '91 Census Rox; Certain Parishes > Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000 20:58:08 -0700 > From: "Arnott, J&H" <jta@islandnet.com> > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Listers: > > I currently have on loan LDS Film No. 220433 for the 1891 Census of Roxburghshire. It contains the Parish listings for: > 780 - Ancrum > 781 - Ashkirk > 782 - Bedrule > 783 - Bowden > 784 - Castleton > 785 - Cavers > 786 - Crailing > > If anyone out there would like a lookup within any of the above, please provide me with your Family Group details. Based on past experience of a similar posting I placed last month, preference will be given to those who provide me with full details of the family they are searching. > > Jim Arnott > Canada > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Is Anyone Missing William THOMPSON? > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 01:09:26 EDT > From: JMTsparks@aol.com > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello List, > > This particular man for me has gone missing! > > Marriage Record: "My William THOMPSON" married Eleanor Faulder SUTTON. 4 Jan > 1866, Carlisle, Cumberland. > > William gave his Occ: as warehouseman assistant. of HAWICK > Father name: GEORGE THOMPSON, GENTLEMAN. > > The next that I hear of this family is the 1881 Census: > here is Eleanor & 3 children, NO William. Eleanor listed as a married > annuitant. > > The 3rd child a son named Percy William THOMPSON is born in WIGTON. 4 Sep > 1870. This is a different place for them from Carlisle. > > Can anyone on this list please help me to make some sense of all of it? Did I > forget to mention that the 3 children & ??? came to the USA in ~1887? > > Regards, > Marjorie in NV., USA