Hi list members, I admit I have been completely overwhelmed by the response to my requests regarding my Family History. I will list what information I have,especially regarding John Ritchie and Isabella (Carlyle?) which seems to be the back bone of my current investigations. 1851 Census for Middlebie.(Transcription from my English cousin and since confirmed via Dumgal) Kirtlebridge: John Ritchie Head age 23 Farm Servant Born Annan M Isabella Wife 22 Gretna M Walter Son 1 Halfmorton S 1861 Census for Middlebie.(Transcription from cousin) Eaglesfield Sunnybrae: John Ritchie Head age 33 Carter Born Annan M Issabelle Wife 32 Kirkpatrick M Walter Son 12 Halfmorton S William S 10 Kirkpatrick S John S 7 Cumb.UK S James S 5 Middlebie S Thomas S 1 Middlebie S 1871 Census for Caldewgate,Carlisle,UK.(Transcription from cousin) 10 or 17 Peel St. Carlisle: John Ritchie Head age 44 Carter Born Scotland M Issabella Wife 43 " M Walter Son 22 Carter " S William Son 20 Carter " S James Son 14 school " S Thomas Son 11 " " S David Son 7 " Carlisle S Mary Dtr 1 Wens Mill? 1881 Census for Caldewgate,Carlisle,UK.(Family search.org etc.) 9 Byron St. Caldewgate: John Ritchie Head age 52 Labourer Born Scotland Isabella Wife 51 " Thomas Son 20 " " David Son 16 " Carlisle Robert Son 7 Scholar Carlisle Note: Walter (my Gr Grandfather),William & James had obviously moved on. I had not picked up on Jane Ritchie that a couple of people have suggested may belong. Walter had married Ann in 1872 (Carlisle 10b622).I have my grandfather's Marriage cert (1894),which lists Walter as Deceased & Carter by trade. I have a death for a Walter Ritchie (Carlisle 10b317) but the age,26,looks a year out. 1881 Census for Caldewgate. 49 Rigg Street, Caldewgate: Ann Ritchie Head age 28 Heddle knitter Born Carlisle Widow Tamar R Dtr 8 " * John R Son 6 " Elizabeth R Dtr 4 " *John Ritchie is my Grandfather. Notes: Regarding the Mary,listed in the 1871 Census at 1 yr old,I have a death in Dec.1874,at 4 the right age.(Carlisle 10b357) And then there are the elusive twins,Catharine & Isabella,Christened on 7th August,1853 at Carlisle,Christ Church (same church as John,Christened 15 Apr 1855),born to a John & Isabella Ritchie (IGI),after which they apparently vanished. I'd better leave it there or I'll completely squander my welcome.If I have missed any fine details of my info or have not quoted sources I apologise and plead ignorance. Ian Ritchie