Thankyou very much Judy. I should have thought of a first name search. Now I think I have found them in the Ettrick MIs, William in 1870 and Janet in 1887 (perhaps it should be 1897). Now to tackle Scotlandspeople for a certificate!! Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] GRIEVE Selkirkshire > The family seem to be at Glen Kerry in Ettrick in 1871, you will find > them with the same search but this time it brings up William Jnr - > correct spelling too. Janet is head of household so maybe William Snr > is deceased. > Judy >