This aside is being permitted by the list owner if you can read it. A gentle pause and reminder of how best to help your SKS's. As a new lister once upon a time, I used to drive myself nuts because I never got anywhere with my queries. It took many SKS's a lot of patience to drum it into my head that making a request like the following was a fruitless exercise. They just ignored me. Why? "I need help, I have a relative who lives on the planet earth and do you know him?" Now, that is obviously a dumb question, and too broad a one at that, and yet I persisted in asking that same type of question over and over...I just would not learn that the more specific and isolating the data I could give the SKS's, the more apt I was to get some help. As a result I am now cured and immune, [yeah sure!] but not perfect. But, wow, do I see myself too often, still. Take pity on we poor sots. One last comment, asking for help in a country is far less productive then if you could get it down as close to Country/County or District/City/Parish/Street///time period/within a couple of years at least///Surname[choices] and a few relationships. If you cannot do that, then you cannot expect too much help because most of us have our own projects underway and unless your job fits into our plans we will ignore it. We are seldom without something to do on our own files. Sometimes I take pity on the odd "challenge" just to break up the boredom but seldom do I have the time to pour over tombs for useless data. Mind you a writer wrote me the other day looking for a group called the Scorpions in Scotland, I believe. I quite enjoyed my little romp into the magical and mystic legendary realms of the middle ages. Never did find the group but we got to exercise our brains and use lots of logic and reasonable alternative approaches to work out a reasonable solution. Just a thought...Al Dempster -- Off list virus memos, free limited mature-amateur-tech help is always available at this address...how to, what to, where to, when to...etc. A Graduate of the School of: "TRY IT, All YOU CAN DO IS SUCCEED OR GO CRAZY!" The World Virus Tracking Centre can be accessed at: http://wtc.trendmicro.com/wtc/ To read about additional viruses and Trojans, please visit: http://www.antivirus.com/vinfo/ For a FREE UPDATE of your current version of Copernic, please follow the instructions posted on this Web site: http://www.copernic.com/promo/mailing/ For a reasonably cheap alternative to the GRO, and one leg up on the straight IGI: use KindredKonnections. It goes deeper and wider! http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ FORTITER ET STRENUE "God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change... Courage to change the things I can and... the Wisdom to know the difference." The Book of Islam tells us: first with the example, then with the word and then with the hand... LEAD BY EXAMPLE, BY THE WORD AND THEN BY YOUR DEEDS! Be a goat [leader], not a sheep [follower]. Eph.: 2: 8-9: "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."