If I recall this was a railway village and in its day quite booming. Somewhere I have a old photograph which later this week (when we get a new scanner) I can send you if you are interested Alison in Calgary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Faith" <irene.faith@edenarts.co.uk> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: [BORDER] RE WHITHOPE/WHITEHOPE QUERY > Hello > > > > I was looking on the internet about Whithope and your query came up. My > father William Welsh was born and brought up at Whithope, near Roberton, > Hawick. The place is no longer inhabited as far as I know but the > reference > to look at on multi map is > > Location: United Kingdom > > Grid ref: NT439129 > > Postcode district: TD9 7xx (map centre) > > X: 344000m > > Y: 613000m > > Lat: 55:24:28N (55.4077) > > Lon: 2:53:10W (-2.886) > > > > My father is nearly 90 and may still have some memories or information > about > the place. > > > > Irene Faith > > > > > > Irene Faith > > Director > > Eden Arts > > 1 Sandgate > > Penrith > > Cumbria > > CA11 7TP > > > > Tel 01768 899444 > > Fax 01768 895920 > > > > > > > > email:HYPERLINK > "mailto:irene.faith@edenarts.co.uk"irene.faith@edenarts.co.uk or: > HYPERLINK > "BLOCKED::mailto:enquiries@edenarts.co.uk"enquiries@edenarts.co.uk > > web: HYPERLINK "BLOCKED::http://www.edenarts.co.uk"www.edenarts.co.uk > > This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and is > intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended > recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this email and > any attachments. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying or distribution is > expressly prohibited and may be unlawful. Eden Arts does not accept > liability for any virus introduced by this email or any attachment and you > are advised to use up-to-date virus checking software. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 27/09/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I am new to this site. I read that the BENNETT surname was at once time common amongst the Boernicians and that they were people who lived around the border of England and Scotland. Does anyone know if this is the case, and if so, is there any reseach on the BENNETTS or BENETS? Thank you. Victoria Bennett vb2268@aol.com

In the Stitchill & Hume MI booklet there are a number of Leitch's, in fact 10 in total with various spellings earliest is 1721 through to 1927. These may not be the same family but Hume is in Berwickshire NOT Berwick. and we all know that ALL of Berwickshire is in Scotland, and only Berwick in England. This may be the reason that he says he was born in Scotland, maybe he meant Berwickshire. There may be Leitch's in other Berwickshire MI's, I don't have them all Marion

>From: Eleanor Clouter <eclouter@nl.rogers.com> >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:51:45 -0230 > >That's a good point to mention. It's my understanding from discussions >on another list that it wasn't uncommon for some people from the area to >say they were from Scotland rather than England, even though legally >Berwick Upon Tweed is English......a question of individual loyalties I >guess. I do know that my Rev William LIETCH's sister Isabella gives her >place of birth as Northumberland on the 1841 census - of course, the >family may have moved. There is an old joke that there's scots, english and borderers.... They did move back and forth a lot. > >>If he was in the Church of Scotland, he should be listed in Fasti >>Ecclesiae Scoticanae. > >A few years ago I had one of our Canadian Universities look him up in >"Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae" without success. They apparently didn't >have volume eight so perhaps I need to track that down. You mentioned >that > there is one volume specially for >>those Ministes known to be outwith Scotland. That might be vol 8. I keep hoping that someone will put the divisions between the volumes on line somewhere (I'd even put it on my own site if someone let me have the information) - it would help people's library loan requests if they knew which vol was needed. Lesley Robertson

Eleanor, I have noted a number of marriages recorded in Northumberland around 1800, where one party was from Scotland (Jedburgh), and the church register recorded them as from "North Britain" . Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Clouter" <eclouter@nl.rogers.com> To: <lezleyr@hotmail.com>; <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: [BORDER] New Member Researching LIETCH/LEITCH > Hi Lesley, > >> If he was born in Scotland, he can't be from Berwick on Tweed, because >> it's >> in England. > > That's a good point to mention. It's my understanding from discussions > on another list that it wasn't uncommon for some people from the area to > say they were from Scotland rather than England, even though legally > Berwick Upon Tweed is English......a question of individual loyalties I > guess. I do know that my Rev William LIETCH's sister Isabella gives her > place of birth as Northumberland on the 1841 census - of course, the > family may have moved. > > There are a couple of interesting records I'm currently trying to > confirm as belonging to my family - a baptism in Glanton in 1805 (now > confirmed as my family) and a marriage between a William LIETCH and a > Jane ROSS in Berwick Upon Tweed in July 1804. If they prove not to > belong to my family, I'll certainly turn my attention to Fife as my next > area of exploration. Thank you very much for suggesting that I look > there. > >> If he was in the Church of Scotland, he should be listed in Fasti >> Ecclesiae >> Scoticanae. > > A few years ago I had one of our Canadian Universities look him up in > "Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae" without success. They apparently didn't > have volume eight so perhaps I need to track that down. You mentioned > that > there is one volume specially for >> those Ministes known to be outwith Scotland. > > > Do you happen to know if this might be volume eight? > > I really appreciate your excellent suggestions and thank you for taking > the time to respond to my query. > > Kind regards, > Eleanor > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.13/463 - Release Date: > 04/10/2006 > >

Hi Lesley, > If he was born in Scotland, he can't be from Berwick on Tweed, because it's > in England. That's a good point to mention. It's my understanding from discussions on another list that it wasn't uncommon for some people from the area to say they were from Scotland rather than England, even though legally Berwick Upon Tweed is English......a question of individual loyalties I guess. I do know that my Rev William LIETCH's sister Isabella gives her place of birth as Northumberland on the 1841 census - of course, the family may have moved. There are a couple of interesting records I'm currently trying to confirm as belonging to my family - a baptism in Glanton in 1805 (now confirmed as my family) and a marriage between a William LIETCH and a Jane ROSS in Berwick Upon Tweed in July 1804. If they prove not to belong to my family, I'll certainly turn my attention to Fife as my next area of exploration. Thank you very much for suggesting that I look there. > If he was in the Church of Scotland, he should be listed in Fasti Ecclesiae > Scoticanae. A few years ago I had one of our Canadian Universities look him up in "Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae" without success. They apparently didn't have volume eight so perhaps I need to track that down. You mentioned that > there is one volume specially for > those Ministes known to be outwith Scotland. Do you happen to know if this might be volume eight? I really appreciate your excellent suggestions and thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. Kind regards, Eleanor

Hello Myra, > I am at present making a new transcription of the Glanton Presbyterian baptism register for the Berwick Record Office and I have just got up to 1810. The entry for your Leitch is :- > > 18 April 1805. William Kirton son of William & Jean Leitch of North Shields, county of Northumberland, was born 14 March 1805. I'm really delighted to have this entry! It looked very much like William Kirton LEITCH could be the son of my William LIETCH but the fact that I know for sure his parents were 'of North Shields' makes it a certainty. Thank you so much for taking the time to send the entry to me. Kind regards, Eleanor

Hi Eleanor, See the Norham M.I.s on my web page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~agene/norhammi/index5.html this lists a number of Leitch burials in the Norham area, not far from Berwick, some may be of interest as the forenames are similar to yours. Regards, Mike Simpson Penrith, NSW, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~agene  

>From: Eleanor Clouter <eclouter@nl.rogers.com> >Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:49:09 -0230 > >I'm a new member researching my LIETCH ancestors. I've had good luck >researching them in Northumberland and Cumberland counties but I'm >getting further back now and think it's possible that the family came >from the Borders, perhaps the area around Berwick upon Tweed. I'm >hoping that someone on your list may be able to help me. > >My 4x gt grandfather was William LIETCH who was born ca 1774 and died >August 26, 1852. The 1841 and 1851 census records give his place of >birth only as Scotland. From his 1852 will I know he had a sister by >the name of Isabella and two brothers by the names of John and Hugh. If he was born in Scotland, he can't be from Berwick on Tweed, because it's in England. There are Leitchs in Berwickshire, and indeed in most of Scotland, but the real hotspot for them is Fife, where my own Leitch ancestors come from. There's probably a collection of unrelated families as the name, along with Leech, Leach, Litch, etc, derived from the old term for doctor. > > >Are any of these names familiar to Borders listers? I'd love some help >in determining if I'm on the right track in tracing the family of my >4x gt grandfather,Rev William LIETCH. > If he was in the Church of Scotland, he should be listed in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae. He's not in volumes I & II (they're on line here http://www.dwalker.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Map.htm) so you really need to find a library that has all 7 or 8 volumes or can get them for you. I've never worked out how they decide which parish any given clergyman is listed under as most served in several places, but there is one volume specially for those Ministes known to be outwith Scotland. Lesley Robertson

Hi Mike, Thanks so much for the Norham MIs. I think the John LIETCH who died April 23, 1861, could be the brother of my William LIETCH. I've been in touch with one of John LIETCH's descendants but so far we have been unable to make the definitive link between my William and her John. It's great to have the website for the Norham MIs as I may be able to recognize more names as my research progresses. With appreciation, Eleanor

I'm a new member researching my LIETCH ancestors. I've had good luck researching them in Northumberland and Cumberland counties but I'm getting further back now and think it's possible that the family came from the Borders, perhaps the area around Berwick upon Tweed. I'm hoping that someone on your list may be able to help me. My 4x gt grandfather was William LIETCH who was born ca 1774 and died August 26, 1852. The 1841 and 1851 census records give his place of birth only as Scotland. From his 1852 will I know he had a sister by the name of Isabella and two brothers by the names of John and Hugh. William LIETCH was a Licentiate of the Church of Scotland and a school master. He founded a school in North Shields Northumberland in 1812 called the Albion Road Academy. Although he resided in North Shields for most of his adult life, he died in 1852 at the Derwent Bank home of his son, Dr. David Ross LIETCH, in Keswick, Cumberland. He's buried in St Alban's churchyard in Earsdon, Northumberland. His wife's name was Jane and his children were: William K - born circa 1805 (maybe in Glanton), died 6 June, 1837 David Ross - born circa 1809, North Shields, died 16 Aug, 1881 Barbara Ann - born circa 1811, died 23 March, 1884 Jane (my 3xg grandmother) - born circa 1813, died 23 April 1847 Thomas Carr - born 24 May 1815, died 24 Sept 1876 Isabella - born circa 1817, died 6 Dec 1844 Eleanor - died age 3 mos Jul 1818 Robert - born circa 1821 Ellen - born circa 1825, died 13 Oct 1904 There are several reasons I think my William LIETCH may have come from the Berwick Upon Tweed area but have not been able to make a definite link yet. I found a likely marriage on IGI for a William LIETCH and a Jane ROSS in Berwick Upon Tweed, July 20, 1804. IGI also shows a Kenneth and Barbara LIECH in the Berwick Upon Tweed area with children William, Hugh, and John so they might be possible parents for my William. Kenneth LIECH and his wife both died in Greenses: Barbara in 1819, age 71, and Kenneth in 1822, age 78. I also found an 1803 poster for a LIETCH and DICKINSON opening a school in Berwick. Are any of these names familiar to Borders listers? I'd love some help in determining if I'm on the right track in tracing the family of my 4x gt grandfather,Rev William LIETCH. Kind regards, Eleanor Clouter, Canada

Hello I was looking on the internet about Whithope and your query came up. My father William Welsh was born and brought up at Whithope, near Roberton, Hawick. The place is no longer inhabited as far as I know but the reference to look at on multi map is Location: United Kingdom Grid ref: NT439129 Postcode district: TD9 7xx (map centre) X: 344000m Y: 613000m Lat: 55:24:28N (55.4077) Lon: 2:53:10W (-2.886) My father is nearly 90 and may still have some memories or information about the place. Irene Faith Irene Faith Director Eden Arts 1 Sandgate Penrith Cumbria CA11 7TP Tel 01768 899444 Fax 01768 895920 email:HYPERLINK "mailto:irene.faith@edenarts.co.uk"irene.faith@edenarts.co.uk or: HYPERLINK "BLOCKED::mailto:enquiries@edenarts.co.uk"enquiries@edenarts.co.uk web: HYPERLINK "BLOCKED::http://www.edenarts.co.uk"www.edenarts.co.uk This email and any attachments may contain confidential information and is intended only for the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender immediately and destroy this email and any attachments. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying or distribution is expressly prohibited and may be unlawful. Eden Arts does not accept liability for any virus introduced by this email or any attachment and you are advised to use up-to-date virus checking software. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 27/09/2006

CHighmore@aol.com wrote: >The name FIDLER, caught my attention. >I have a DORCAS FIDLER [b circa 1735 d 1814] who married JOSEPH HIGHMORE >[IMORE] at Lanercost Priory on 15 June 1767 >Any link? > >Chris, thanks for posting your Fidler ancestors. I don't think there is a connection as my Fidler originated in Haltwhistle, Northumberland. > > Regards Pauline

Hi, Judy - suggest you contact: Scottish Borders Archives & Local History Centre at Selkirk Tel 01750 20842 E-mail archives@scotborders.gov.uk Susan. -----Original Message----- From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Judy Hall Sent: 23 September 2006 05:52 To: SCT ROXBURGH Group; BORDERS newsgroup Subject: [BORDER] Minto school records late 1890s, early 1900s Hi Just wondering if anyone has access to the Minto school records or how I would go about getting info from them. I'm interested in the following pupils from Hassendeanbank: Andrew ELLIOT William Elliot GARDNER Christina Elliot GARDNER John (Jock) GARDNER Bessie GARDNER Mary H M GARDNER James Elliot GARDNER Thanks Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 21/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.7/454 - Release Date: 21/09/2006

Hi Just wondering if anyone has access to the Minto school records or how I would go about getting info from them. I'm interested in the following pupils from Hassendeanbank: Andrew ELLIOT William Elliot GARDNER Christina Elliot GARDNER John (Jock) GARDNER Bessie GARDNER Mary H M GARDNER James Elliot GARDNER Thanks Judy

transcribed from marr register - no further info available from me. Judy 1st Dec 1911 at Allars N Tr Manse, Hawick after banns acc to Forms of United Presbyterian Church William OGG power framework knitter bachelor aged 24 living at 15 Loan, Hawick son of James OGG, Wool Pattern Weaver & Annie OGG m.s. BROWN Margaret Byers JARDINE power framework knitter spinster aged 23 living at 2 ?Green Terr Hawick dau of Theodore JARDINE, draper (deceased) & Jane-Agnes DAVIDSON, previously JARDINE, m.s. BYERS Witnesses: James OGG jnr & Mary Fairbairn JARDINE Rev James WITHERSPOON, Minister of Allars, Hawick ----------------------------------- 1 Dec 1921 at Mayfield, Hawick after banns ac to the Forms of the United Free Church G W WHITELAW tailor (master) bachelor aged 34 living at Wilton Lodge, Hawick son of Wm WHITELAW, park ranger & Margaret Beattie WHITELAW m.s. MILLER Sarah Young PRINGLE general servant (domestic) spinster aged 34 9 Kirk Style. Hawick dau of John Brown PRINGLE, joiner (journeyman) (deceased)& Mary PRINGLE m.s. YOUNG (deceased) witnesses J M WHITELAW & I R WHITELAW Rev Donald G ROSS one of the ministers of St George's Church, Hawick

Transcribed from death register - no connection to the families mentioned below and no further info Judy Robert HUSH butcher (journeyman) married to Margaret CARRUTHERS 12 Dec 1906 10 a.m. 16 Duke St, Hawick male 71 years Father: William HUSH, shepherd, deceased mother Mary HUSH M.S. HUSH (deceased) cause of death: chronic bronchitis, 3 months informant: Robert HUSH, son Barbara Lawson RODGER single 13 Dec 1906 at 0:40 a.m. at Cottage Hospital, Hawick (usual residence 6 Wilton Cres Lane) female 5 years FatherL William RODGER (general labourer) Mother: Jane RODGER m.s. ?BOLDON cause of death: scalding accident; shock informant: Wm RODGER, 6 Wilton Crescent lane, Hawick) (note in column on left - Result of Precognition Vol 111, p 112, Dec 21, 1906) Jane LEYDEN (widow of 1st Colin GARDNER - army schoolmaster 2nd John LEYDEN - wool framework knitter) 12 Dec 1906 11:30p.m. at 5 Morrison Place, Hawick female 69 years Father: William MARSHALL, Tanner, deceased Mother: Janet MARSHALL m.s. McINTYRE, deceased cause of death: malignant tumour of stomach (about 6 months);H..........; ?Hernia (2 days) informant: James BROWN, son-in-law

Hi, Interested in hearing from descendants of the following : Elisabeth Pow ELLIOT; marr 11 Dec 1885 Cavers to Andrew BLAKE (son of Andrew BLAKE & Mary RUTHERFORD Children: 13 children including: a) Andrew BLAKE; b 1886 Wilton, ROX; marr 29 April 1920 at 11 Victoria Rd Hawick to Maggie WATSON(?WALLACE)-RAE (dau of John RAE (plumber master) & Christina WALLACE) b) Christina BLAKE; b 1887 Wilton, ROX; marr 2 Oct 1914 at Denholm to Thomas CLARK (son of Thomas CLARK (colporteur - peddlar of devotional literature) & Mary YOUNG c) William Elliot BLAKE; b 9 May 1890 S Leith MIDLOTHIAN; d WW1 d) John BLAKE; b 1892 S Leith MIDLOTHIAN; marr 5 June 1925 at Minto manse to Elizabeth GRIEVE (dau of Thomas GRIEVE (station master) & Agnes DICKSON) e) Mary BLAKE; b 1894 S Leith MIDLOTHIAN f) Helen (Nellie) BLAKE; b 13 April 1896 S Leith MIDLOTHIAN; marr 8 Dec 1922 St John's Manse Hawick to William Thomas BROWN wool sorter g) Agnes Barclay BLAKE; b abt 1898 Cavers, ROX h) Jemima BLAKE; b 7 Feb 1899 Denholm Cavers, ROX i) Robert Rutherford BLAKE; b 9 April 1901, Denholm; marr 6 Oct 1923 Hobkirk to Jessie Drummond TINLIN of Blacklee, Hobkirk (dau of Isabella DRUMMOND, domestic servant) j) Betsy Elliot BLAKE; b 1902 Cavers; marr RAE k) Jessie BLAKE; b 28 Aug 1904 at 5.45 p.m. Denholm Thanks Judy

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The name FIDLER, caught my attention. I have a DORCAS FIDLER [b circa 1735 d 1814] who married JOSEPH HIGHMORE [IMORE] at Lanercost Priory on 15 June 1767 Any link? Chris HIGHMORE