I'm still on the track of my LIETCH ancestors! I've gotten to a bit of a dead end looking for documentation on William LIETCH so now I'm researching laterally looking for information about his sister, Isabel/Isabella. Right now I'm looking for her birth circa 1784. Thanks to the list, I just received the 1811 Kelso marriage registry entry for Isabella LEACH to James HARDIE and it stated that her parish was Berwick upon Tweed. Bingo! That's the first documented evidence I have that my LIETCH ancestors had a definite link to Berwick upon Tweed. The marriage register also named an Anne ROSE as witness. I believe that a Kenneth LEICH and a Barbara ROSE may be the parents of Isabella. Now all I have to do is prove (or disprove) it! I was unable to find an IGI entry on the LDS website for an Isabella LEICH/LEACH/LIETCH/LEITCH circa 1784, although there is a promising member submission for a William LEICH circa 1789 which I haven't been able to document to my family. I know from past help on the list that there are births which are not on IGI. How can I search for a circa 1784 birth for an Isabella LIETCH in the area of Berwick upon Tweed? (To date I haven't had a reply from the Berwick Record Office to a separate query I sent them in September.) Thanks for any assistance. Kind regards, Eleanor, Canada

Hello Is there anyone out there who is either able to translate old Scottish money for me or that knows of a link where it is explained. I have been looking for a will for the time of around 1720 to 1730 and the numbers look very strange - they look like b's I's and j's which I think refers to pounds shillings and pence in that order but I could be completely wrong. Also is there anything on the web that explains how dates were written. There is a word on the will which I cant make out but appears to refer to the dates that things happened as the numbers after this word are clearly indicating dates. It appears to mean 16 but I don't want to assume that. Thanks for your assistance. Regards Mandy Buchanan

thanks , I thought maybe I was missing something! On 30 Nov 2006, at 17:39, fionnghal nicphadraig wrote: > there arent; any Judy,

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there arent; any Judy, Ancestry doesn;t have them, only England & Wales and some earlier Scottish transcriptions. you need to got to Scotlansd's people for ours :-) le durachd fionnghal --- judy olsen <copywriter@tesco.net> wrote: > Sorry, didnt read this carefully enough. I dont see > any images either > but I do see the transcribed indexes. > > Im not sure the images on there. > > > > Judy > > > > > On 30 Nov 2006, at 15:53, judy olsen wrote: > > > Try downloading Firefox. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > On 30 Nov 2006, at 00:57, MikeTait@aol.com wrote: > > > >> hi ALL > >> > >> I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using > IE5 and while I > >> can access > >> the English Censuses readily I cannot see any > scanned images of the > >> Scottish or > >> even any lists of transcriptions > >> I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a > quick clear reply > >> > >> Any suggestions folks. > >> Oh by the way if I could see them I would break > several brickwalls > >> > >> Mike Tait > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to BORDER- > >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BORDER- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Sorry, didnt read this carefully enough. I dont see any images either but I do see the transcribed indexes. Im not sure the images on there. Judy On 30 Nov 2006, at 15:53, judy olsen wrote: > Try downloading Firefox. > > > Judy > > > > On 30 Nov 2006, at 00:57, MikeTait@aol.com wrote: > >> hi ALL >> >> I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using IE5 and while I >> can access >> the English Censuses readily I cannot see any scanned images of the >> Scottish or >> even any lists of transcriptions >> I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a quick clear reply >> >> Any suggestions folks. >> Oh by the way if I could see them I would break several brickwalls >> >> Mike Tait >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Try downloading Firefox. Judy On 30 Nov 2006, at 00:57, MikeTait@aol.com wrote: > hi ALL > > I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using IE5 and while I > can access > the English Censuses readily I cannot see any scanned images of the > Scottish or > even any lists of transcriptions > I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a quick clear reply > > Any suggestions folks. > Oh by the way if I could see them I would break several brickwalls > > Mike Tait > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

> From: MikeTait@aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:57:53 -0500> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BORDER] Lack of images on Ancestry Scottish Censuses> > hi ALL> > I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using IE5 and while I can access > the English Censuses readily I cannot see any scanned images of the Scottish or > even any lists of transcriptions> I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a quick clear reply> > Any suggestions folks.> Oh by the way if I could see them I would break several brickwalls> If you don't get a quick solution, you can check all the 19th century census on Scotlands People. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially released yet. http://ideas.live.com

you have to access your Scottish censuses through Scotland;s people. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ Ancestry doesn;t have them. it's just England & Wales. good luck :-) le durachd fionnghal --- MikeTait@aol.com wrote: ... I can access > the English Censuses readily I cannot see any > scanned images of the Scottish or > even any lists of transcriptions ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

fraid ancestry.com doesn't cover Scotland :-(. Scotland's People is where you want to be. -----Original Message----- From: MikeTait@aol.com To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 4:57 PM Subject: [BORDER] Lack of images on Ancestry Scottish Censuses hi ALL I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using IE5 and while I can access the English Censuses readily I cannot see any scanned images of the Scottish or even any lists of transcriptions I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a quick clear reply Any suggestions folks. Oh by the way if I could see them I would break several brickwalls Mike Tait ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

hi ALL I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using IE5 and while I can access the English Censuses readily I cannot see any scanned images of the Scottish or even any lists of transcriptions I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a quick clear reply Any suggestions folks. Oh by the way if I could see them I would break several brickwalls Mike Tait

It is only the indexes/transcripts to the Scottish Census that are available on Ancestry for 1841, 1851 and 1861. They do not link to an image like the English, US and Canadian ones. The individual transcripts and links to the other family members work just fine for any I have tried. This sample below if for my 3rd great grand Aunt who lived in Ayton Berwick. It may not be images but it is a great start. Sheila I Hale 1861 Scotland Census about Jemmia Chartres Name: Jemmia Chartres Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relationship: Sister Gender: Female Where born: England Registration Number: 727 Registration district: Ayton Civil parish: Ayton County: Berwickshire Address: Summer Hill Private Dwelling Occupation: Fund Holder ED: 2 Page: 2 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 6 Line: 2 Roll: CSSCT1861_136 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Carle 24 John Carle 26 Howe Chartres 54 Jemmia Chartres 50 jcweatherby@aol.com wrote: > fraid ancestry.com doesn't cover Scotland :-(. Scotland's People is where you want to be. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MikeTait@aol.com > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 4:57 PM > Subject: [BORDER] Lack of images on Ancestry Scottish Censuses > > > hi ALL > > I have a Powerbook Mac running Classic and using IE5 and while I can access > the English Censuses readily I cannot see any scanned images of the Scottish or > even any lists of transcriptions > I have queried Ancestry but am not expecting a quick clear reply > > Any suggestions folks. > Oh by the way if I could see them I would break several brickwalls > > Mike Tait > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just wanted to say a further thank you to Graham, Lesley, Susan and Marion for their additional help regarding Isabella LIETCH's 1811 marriage and her 1851 census record under her married name of HARDY/HARDIE. I've e-mailed the Scottish Borders Archive & Local History Centre at Selkirk for a copy of the microfilm record of the LEACH/HARDY 1811 marriage. Hopefully it will give me some helpful info. Alas, it turns out that the promising 1851 census entry that Graham so kindly found has proven to belong to a different Isabel HARDIE. The 1851 Isabella's maiden name was RIDDELL and her husband, James, was still alive in the 1841 census. My Isabella HARDY nee LIETCH was already a widow in 1841. As I said to Graham, even negative results can help to move research forward because they eliminate some of the possibilities! I'll keep forging ahead and hopefully one day I'll get lucky and make a break-through. Again, many thanks for your help. Kind regards, Eleanor

HI Just been transcribing some of my lot and so thought you might want to have the details of the others on the pages Births Crailing Roxburgh 1873 George Duncan FORGIE - born 31st July 1873 150am at School House, Crailing Father - George FORGIE, schoolmaster Mother - Catherine FORGIE, ms MCLAREN Married 13th or 15th January 1871 at Blair Athol Informant - Catherine FORGIE, mother William ROMANES - born 11th September 1873 1045 am at Crailing Father - William ROMANES - Joiner (Master) Mother - Agnes ROMANES ms HUME Married 5th March 1872 at Eckford Informant - William ROMANIS, father (note the spelling = two different ways on the same certificate however this is not the record!!) Margaret BROWN borh 21st September 1873 1130am at ??Nesbit Mill, Crailing Father Walter BROWN, ploughman Mother Janet BROWN ms MCDOUGALL Married April 1871 at Lambdin? Parish of Eccles Informant Walter BROWN, father (present) In all three cases above the Registrar was Geo FORGIE - could be the same person as the father of the first entry? Births Ladhope, County of Selkirk 1882 Ann Davis KENNEDY born 18th August 1882 1am at 81 High Buckholmsides, Ladhope Father - Thomas KENNEDY, joiner Mother - Jessie KENNEDY ms FORD Married 18th August 1880 at Ambleston, South Wales Informant - Thos Kennedy, father Andrew Sanderson ROMANES (illegitimate) born 17th August 1882 4pm at 124 Magdala Tce, Ladhope Father - Mother - Jane ROMANES, Millworker Informant - Jane Romanes, Mother Mary RIGG born 16th August 1882 at 9am at 79 Magdala Tce, Ladhope Father - John RIGG, Woollen Weaver Mother - Isabella RIGG ms TAIT Married 10th March 1865 at New Abbey Informant - John RIGG, father In all three cases the registrar was GEO RANKIN Births District of Galashiels, County of Selkirk John O'HARA born 17th December 1891 6am at 138 Lintburn Street, Galashiels Father - Neil OHARA, Woollen Pressman Mother - Julia OHARA ms REILLY Married 14th July 1885 at Ladhope Informant Neil OHARA, father Adam ROMANES (Illegitimate) born 1st January 1892 1am at 9 Bank Close, Galashiels Father - Adam ROMANES Quarryman Mother - Agnes ROBERTSON, Wool Powerloom Weaver Informants - Agnes ROBERTSON, mother and ADAM ROMANES, father of 139 Bank Close, Galashiels James Knox BROWN born 21st December 1891 6am at 41 Magdala Tce, Galashiels Father - Alexander BROWN, Wool Factory Worker Mother - Agnes BROWN ms KNOX Married 27th December 1889 at Caddonfoot Informant Alexander BROWN, father In all three cases the registrar is WILLIAM LOCKHART Alison REDPATH born 5th June 1887 1am at 21 Douglas Street, Galashiels Father - Gorge REDPATH, Woollen Warper Mother - Alison REDPATH ms RUTHERFORD Married 9th October 1886 at Galashiels Informant George REDPATH, father Christina CHISHOLM born 17th June 1887 1050am at 9 Queen Street, Galashiels Father - Archibald CHISHOLM, Wool Spinner Mother - Christina CHISHOLM ms ?Shiel? Married 15th July 1873 at Galashiels Informant - Archibald CHISHOLM, father Agnes Lees ROMANES born 20th June 1887 1am at 130 Galapark Road, Galashiels Father - William ROMANES Wool Factory Worker Mother - Elizabeth ROMANES, ms MURRAY Married 8th December 1865 at Wilton Informant - William ROMANES, father All three cases, the registrar is WILLIAM LOCKHART Alexander ROMANES born 10th July 1876 715am at 7 Overhaugh Street, Galashiels Father - William ROMANES, Common Labourer Mother - Elizabeth ROMANES, ms MURRAY Married 8th December 1865 at Wilton Informant - William ROMANES, father William Donald MOIR borh 5th July 1876 at 625am at ?Laid? unreadable, School House, Galashiels Father - Charles Caithness MOIR, Schoolmaster Mother - Susannah MOIR ms SPENSE Married September 24th 1875 at Edinburgh Informant - Charles MOIR, father, (present) Robert Amos TURNER born 5th July 1876 at 330 am at Tweed Bridge, Galashiels Father - William TURNER, Roadman Mother - Matilda Mitchell TURNER ms AMOS Married June 30th 1871 at Hobkirk Informant - William TURNER, father In all three cases, the name of the registrar is very hard to read and could be either Geo Parker, Tasker or could be something else entirely!"! Annie YELLOWLEES born 23rd February 1866 815am at 35 Bank Street, Galashiels Father Alexander YELLOWLEES General Merchant Mother Ann YELLOWLEES, ms BOWES Married 6th October 1853 at Dalkeith Informant Alexander YELLOWLEES, father present Alexander Hope ROMANES, born 14th February 1866 7pm at 21 Elm Road, Galashiels Father - Alexander ROMANES, Engineman in Wool Factory Mother - Isabella ROMANES ms GROSART Married 22nd June 1854 at Galashiels Informant Isabella ROMANES, mother Janet REAVELY born 1st March 1866 8pm at Elm Road, Galashiels Father - Adam REAVELY Engineer Mother - Jessie REAVELY ms RANKIN Married 22nd June 1852 at Galashiels Informant Adam REAVELY, father Registrar as above only this time it also looks like SAKER - any guesses? District of Lauder, County of Berwick Isabella ROMANES, vaccinated as per certificate dated 7th August 1868 - WM Regr - born 6th March 1868 325am at Harryburn, Lauder Father Robert ROMANES, writer Mother - Anne Milne Thomson ROMANES, ms COSENS Married 17th July 1869 at Edinburgh Informant Robert ROMANES, father Helen FAIRBAIRN, illegitimate, died before vaccination WM regr - born 24th January 1868 1am at Lauder Father Mother - Helen FAIRBAIRN, Domestic Servant Informant Helen FAIRBAIRN, mother Jessie Hall HENDERSON vaccinated as per certificate dated 21st August 1868 WM Regr - born 6th March 1868 at 4am at ?Whitelaw? Father John HENDERSON, Hind Mother - Jane HENDERSON ms SANDILANDS Married 1860 Parish of Channelkirk Informant John HENDERSON, father In all three cases the assistant registrar was George ANDERSON and the Registrar was William MOORE District of Roberton County of Selkirk Margaret TURNBULL, illegitimate, born 29th December 1864 9pm at Deanburnhough Father Mother - Christina TURNBULL, Domestic Servant Informant - David TURNBULL, Uncle Jessie BORTHWICK, born 10th January 1865 340am at Greenbank Cottages Father - James BORTHWICK Labourer Mother - Janet BORTHWICK ms ELLIOT Married 10th March 1854 at Book Mills??? Parish of L?? (really hard to read) Informant James BORTHWICK, father Jane Stewart ROMANES, illegitimate, born 5th January 1865 11am at Highchester Cottages Father Mother - Christina ROMANES, Servant Informant - Christian ROMAINES, Mother All three were registered at the Schoolhouse at Roberton by Thos ANDERSON, registrar That's it for now More another time If anyone is interested in the ROMANES entries, I can give you more information about those individuals, but I don't have any further information on the other entries, sorry Cheers Mandy Buchanan

> From: RMbat6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:00:26 -0500> To: BORDER@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BORDER] RENWICK family> > I am searching for what might have happened to the three brothers of my grt > grt gandfather, Robert Renwick. They were all born in Kirkurd, Peeblesshire, > children of William Renwick and Janet Melrose.> DAVID RENWICK b. 1808> JOHN RENWICK b. 1810> WILLIAM RENWICK b. 1816> > I have been unable to trace subsequent marriages or deaths of any in > Scotland, although> John's death in Peebles in 1852 is commemorated on Robert's family > headstone there. > > If anyone can help trace these men I would be very grateful.> It seems to me hat if John died in 1852, you should be able to find him on the 1841 and 1851 census, together with any family he had. It would also be worth looking in the same place for the others. Scotlands People is the place for you. Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Search from any Web page with powerful protection. Get the FREE Windows Live Toolbar Today! http://www.toolbar.live.com

Hi There were RENWICKS in Cockermouth area of Cumbria, just a thought. Regards Gerald >From: RMbat6@aol.com >Reply-To: border@rootsweb.com >To: BORDER@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BORDER] RENWICK family >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:00:26 EST > >I am searching for what might have happened to the three brothers of my grt >grt gandfather, Robert Renwick. They were all born in Kirkurd, >Peeblesshire, >children of William Renwick and Janet Melrose. >DAVID RENWICK b. 1808 >JOHN RENWICK b. 1810 >WILLIAM RENWICK b. 1816 > >I have been unable to trace subsequent marriages or deaths of any in >Scotland, although >John's death in Peebles in 1852 is commemorated on Robert's family >headstone there. > >If anyone can help trace these men I would be very grateful. > >Rosemary > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

Hello Eleanor, This is the only Isabella Hardy/Hardie of the right age in the Scottish Borders in 1851 - but it does look possible that she is the one you are looking for: Eccles Parish, Book 1, Page 3 Kingsrigg Charles Renwick; Head; Married; 32; Ag. Lab.; Inverness, Laggan Agnes Renwick; Wife; Married; 31; Roxburgh, Eckford Charles Renwick; Son; 6; Roxburgh, Kelso Isabella Renwick; Daughter; 4; Berwick, Fogo Jane Renwick; Daughter; 2; Berwick, Eccles Janet Renwick; Daughter; 6 mo; Berwick, Eccles Isabella Hardie; Mother-in-law; Widow; 75; England Mary Hardie; Sister-in-law; Unmarried; 41; Ag. Lab.; Roxburgh, Eckford Hope this helps, Graham Maxwell

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I am searching for what might have happened to the three brothers of my grt grt gandfather, Robert Renwick. They were all born in Kirkurd, Peeblesshire, children of William Renwick and Janet Melrose. DAVID RENWICK b. 1808 JOHN RENWICK b. 1810 WILLIAM RENWICK b. 1816 I have been unable to trace subsequent marriages or deaths of any in Scotland, although John's death in Peebles in 1852 is commemorated on Robert's family headstone there. If anyone can help trace these men I would be very grateful. Rosemary

I have been unable to find Isabel HARDY on the 1851 census and hope that someone on the list has access to 1851 census records for the border area and may be able to spot her. In 1841 Isabel/Isabella HARDY was enumerated as a 62 year old widow living with her brother, William LIETCH, in North Shields. She gives her place of birth as Northumberland although William says he was born in Scotland. In the 1851 census she isn't enumerated with William LIETCH in North Shields although she died at William's home in 1852 after a prolonged illness. I'm hoping that she may have been visiting with other family members during the 1851 census, perhaps in Scotland. She was married in Kelso in 1811 and perhaps still had family there? There may also be a connection to Greenses, Etal and Berwick Upon Tweed. Thank you, Eleanor Clouter, Canada