Dear Listers, I wonder if anyone has access to transcripts of gravestones in Hutton churchyard. Best wishes, Mary

Hi Wally Hope that you have now been able to gain access, please confirm. No password necessary. www.dfnoble.com/CULnames should get you there. Regards Gerald >From: Wally <drewa@shaw.ca> >Reply-To: border@rootsweb.com >To: border@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated >Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:18:21 -0700 > >Hello Gerry I am Wally Anderson . I just tried to log on ands did not >go Asked for password , which I guess I do not have Can you help me out ? > Wally Anderson My ancestors lived in the border country in early 1800s >1 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerald Sandwith" <casmortser@hotmail.com> >To: <border@rootsweb.com> >Cc: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:01 AM >Subject: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > The above list has been updated. If you find any errors please advise me > > and > > also if you have entries on the list please check for an * after your > > name. > > If this does not exist please confirm that your details are correct. >This > > will be helpful to us all. > > > > I realise that there may only be a few people with Cumbrian interests. >The > > website is www.dfnoble.com?CULnames > > > > Thank you > > > > Gerald > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free >newsletters! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

Hi Anne you have it spot on. I have used upper case on my keyboard rather than lower case at the time of putting in'?' It should of course be' /'. As you say correct address www.dfnoble.com/CULnames Thank you Wally for bringing it to my attention. Regards and apologises Gerald >From: "Anne Elliott" <a.elliott@tesco.net> >Reply-To: border@rootsweb.com >To: <border@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated >Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 02:11:16 -0000 > >Hi Wally > >Gerald has helped me in the past and I now have his website set on "My >Favourites". Try http://dfnoble.com/CULnames/ (without the ? before CUL). I >think Gerald was having an "off day". LOL > >Anne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Wally" <drewa@shaw.ca> >To: <border@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:18 AM >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated > > >Hello Gerry I am Wally Anderson . I just tried to log on ands did not >go Asked for password , which I guess I do not have Can you help me out ? > Wally Anderson My ancestors lived in the border country in early 1800s >1 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gerald Sandwith" <casmortser@hotmail.com> >To: <border@rootsweb.com> >Cc: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:01 AM >Subject: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > The above list has been updated. If you find any errors please advise me > > and > > also if you have entries on the list please check for an * after your > > name. > > If this does not exist please confirm that your details are correct. >This > > will be helpful to us all. > > > > I realise that there may only be a few people with Cumbrian interests. >The > > website is www.dfnoble.com?CULnames > > > > Thank you > > > > Gerald > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free >newsletters! > > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

Hi Wally Gerald has helped me in the past and I now have his website set on "My Favourites". Try http://dfnoble.com/CULnames/ (without the ? before CUL). I think Gerald was having an "off day". LOL Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally" <drewa@shaw.ca> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated Hello Gerry I am Wally Anderson . I just tried to log on ands did not go Asked for password , which I guess I do not have Can you help me out ? Wally Anderson My ancestors lived in the border country in early 1800s 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Sandwith" <casmortser@hotmail.com> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated > Hi Everyone > > The above list has been updated. If you find any errors please advise me > and > also if you have entries on the list please check for an * after your > name. > If this does not exist please confirm that your details are correct. This > will be helpful to us all. > > I realise that there may only be a few people with Cumbrian interests. The > website is www.dfnoble.com?CULnames > > Thank you > > Gerald > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know you were writing to Wally, but you helped me also as I was having the same problem. It worked! Thanks. Sherry -----Original Message----- From: a.elliott@tesco.net To: border@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated Hi Wally Gerald has helped me in the past and I now have his website set on "My Favourites". Try http://dfnoble.com/CULnames/ (without the ? before CUL). I think Gerald was having an "off day". LOL Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally" <drewa@shaw.ca> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated Hello Gerry I am Wally Anderson . I just tried to log on ands did not go Asked for password , which I guess I do not have Can you help me out ? Wally Anderson My ancestors lived in the border country in early 1800s 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Sandwith" <casmortser@hotmail.com> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated > Hi Everyone > > The above list has been updated. If you find any errors please advise me > and > also if you have entries on the list please check for an * after your > name. > If this does not exist please confirm that your details are correct. This > will be helpful to us all. > > I realise that there may only be a few people with Cumbrian interests. The > website is www.dfnoble.com?CULnames > > Thank you > > Gerald > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Hello Gerry I am Wally Anderson . I just tried to log on ands did not go Asked for password , which I guess I do not have Can you help me out ? Wally Anderson My ancestors lived in the border country in early 1800s 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Sandwith" <casmortser@hotmail.com> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Cc: <eng-shropshire-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: [BORDER] Cumberland Surname List Updated > Hi Everyone > > The above list has been updated. If you find any errors please advise me > and > also if you have entries on the list please check for an * after your > name. > If this does not exist please confirm that your details are correct. This > will be helpful to us all. > > I realise that there may only be a few people with Cumbrian interests. The > website is www.dfnoble.com?CULnames > > Thank you > > Gerald > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Everyone The above list has been updated. If you find any errors please advise me and also if you have entries on the list please check for an * after your name. If this does not exist please confirm that your details are correct. This will be helpful to us all. I realise that there may only be a few people with Cumbrian interests. The website is www.dfnoble.com?CULnames Thank you Gerald _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

I have always wanted to trace my roots and recently tracked down my grandparents wedding certificate from 1921 in Dalry Scotland. My grandmothers name was Margaret Annie Glendinning born in 1887. her parents were Robert Glendinning (merchant) and Jessie Glendinning (maiden name Watson). As well I have a signature from a witness, Agnes D Glendinning. Possibly a sister? Ring a bell with anyone? My name is Jeff white and I am from Toronto Canada I can be reached at yt@philthymcnastys.com or 1 905 690 2312 by phone Best of luck to all who are searching

Sorry, I meant to include Douglas Clark's email address in case anyone wished to contact him direct. It is Douglas J Clark <djclark@netactive.co.za>. Valerie in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie/Rowan Henshaw" <henshawv@ocean.com.au> To: <SCT-ROXBURGH@rootsweb.com>; <SCT-BERWICK@rootsweb.com>; <BORDER@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: [SCT-BERWICK] Fw: [PERTHSHIRE] BYRNE EMIGRATION SCHEME (BRUNTON andTROTTER) With the permission of Douglas Clark Douglas J Clark I am forwarding this item he posted on the PERTHSHIRE list to the BORDERS, BERWICKSHIRE & ROXBURGH lists (apologies to those of you who receive it three times). It contains mention of the names BRUNTON and TROTTER which are frequently found in the border counties. ----- Original Message ----- Hello Valerie Firstly may I wish you and your family a happy and prosperous new year. Secondly you may forward the information to as many people as possible and thank you for your kind remarks - it makes the whole exercise worth while. With specific reference to Walter BRUNTON, he also brought out his sisters Jane (who married *Andrew MILNE) and Margaret RAMSAY (nee Brunton) her husband and children. If you ever go to Mackay in Queensland you will find *Andrew Milne St after one of his descendants. Douglas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hello All I have had a book in my possession for some time now titled "Natal Settler-Agent" by Dr John Clark (no known relation) and have only now had a good look at it and have solved a number of outstanding questions. .......

With the permission of Douglas Clark Douglas J Clark I am forwarding this item he posted on the PERTHSHIRE list to the BORDERS, BERWICKSHIRE & ROXBURGH lists (apologies to those of you who receive it three times). It contains mention of the names BRUNTON and TROTTER which are frequently found in the border counties. ----- Original Message ----- Hello Valerie Firstly may I wish you and your family a happy and prosperous new year. Secondly you may forward the information to as many people as possible and thank you for your kind remarks - it makes the whole exercise worth while. With specific reference to Walter BRUNTON, he also brought out his sisters Jane (who married *Andrew MILNE) and Margaret RAMSAY (nee Brunton) her husband and children. If you ever go to Mackay in Queensland you will find *Andrew Milne St after one of his descendants. Douglas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello All I have had a book in my possession for some time now titled "Natal Settler-Agent" by Dr John Clark (no known relation) and have only now had a good look at it and have solved a number of outstanding questions. The flyleaf to the book describes the Author as being from Glasgow with an honours degree in English in 1932 and having then been involved in journalism and later in teaching in the West Highlands. Emigrated to South Africa in 1948 and at the time of writing this book in 1960's had held the positions of senior lecturer in English at Natal Training College and editorial advisor for the Natal Education Department Besides the book describing the hardships the settlers had to bear, the book contains a summary of all the ships (20) that brought the settlers to these shores on the east coast of South Africa between 1849 - 1851.The names of the ships were :- Wanderer - Washington - Henry Tanner - Dreadnought - Aliwal - King William - Ina - Sovereign - Edward - Lady Bruce - Conquering Hero - Minerva - Henrietta - Sandwich - Globe - Unicorn - British Tar - Emily - Devonian - Bernard. Although the emigrants on the various ships were from various parts of Britain, the barque INA with 120 emigrants and the brig CONQUERING HERO with 127 emigrants departed from Glasgow/Greenock in 1850 and consisted almost entirely of Scots. The UNICORN departed from Liverpool but most of the emigrants were from Scotland. Earlier this year I wrote to the Lanarkshire list trying to establish if a certain Duncan Mackenzie came from the area - the family having played a prominent part in many fields - military, farming and medicine among others. I have now located that family's origin. The author has a summary of each of the ships as well as the emigrants on board. The summary for the two ships specifically mentioned above are as follows:- INA This barque, 466 tons, was the first of the Byrne emigrant-vessels to bring Scottish settlers to Natal as a group. The number of people was 120, made up of 76 adults and about 40 children. The cargo consisted of passengers' baggage and 40 tons of slates for John Moreland. The ship, commanded by Captain W. Darke, sailed from Greenock on 30 November 1849, or perhaps 1 December. In a ceremony on the main deck before the ship sailed Byrne presented the passengers with a collection of 60 books, to be afterwards used as the nucleus of a library in the colony. The voyage was a long one - 105 days - because of head winds that baffled the ship for weeks. However, it was a healthy ship with no serious sickness nor deaths on board. There was one birth. The Ina arrived outside the Bar on 8 March but because of a heavy surf the emigrants could not be brought into the inner harbour. For a week or eleven days, in some cases, the passengers remained on board. Most of them were respectable people - farmers, agricultural labourers, gardeners, grooms, bakers and artisans. One of them, Thomas DUFF who settled eventually on the Cotton Company lands seven miles from Verulum, stated that his first job on landing consisted of digging, with other men, a ditch across the bar at low tide. The entrance to the harbour had been silted up for a month with no movement of ships in or out. Hence the employment at three shillings and sixpence per day of the gang of newly arrived settlers. Among the passengers were George MacLEROY (37), an engineer who entered the Natal civil service, and John SANDERSON (28), a so-called agriculturist, who became a journalist and later editor of the 'Natal Colonist'. A.K. MURRAY, the future founder of Pinetown, came with his wife and six children. (I live in Pinetown - another passenger was Walter BRUNTON born Peebleshire, Scotland c.1825 and his sister, who he sponsored, arrived in 1858 and married Andrew MILNE c.1833 Kincardineshire in July 1881.This is one of my wife's lines) CONQUERING HERO This was the second of the Byrne ships to bring Scottish settlers.William LESLEY, a twenty year old Paisley man, stated that every settler on the Conquering Hero was Scottish except two Englishmen and an Irishman. A brig of 320 tons, she sailed from the Clyde (Glasgow - Greenock) with 127 settlers on 29 March 1850. A slow sailor too, she took about 90 days but the passengers were satisfied with their treatment at the hands of Captain Cockburn and his mates. Aboard his ship Byrne loaded at Glasgow a consignment of 32 000 Scotch slates which proved a drug on the Natal market, according to Moreland. The Conquering Hero arrived off the Bluff on 28 June 1850. C.P. SPIERS, son of Robert Spiers, describes how the passengers came across the Bar by lighter on 2 July and got temporary accommodation in the emigration barracks at the Point - two large wooden buildings and several shanties, one of which was composed of wild palm branches and thatch. Owing to some misunderstanding when Moreland arranged to show the settlers their lands at Richmond, he did not turn up which greatly disheartened them. Along with the passengers of the Henrietta the people of the Conquering Hero were witnesses of the wreck of the Minerva. Among the new arrivals were William CAMPBELL (his son Marshall was to become a sugar magnate), William MacKENZIE (first school master of Richmond who for a time lived with his family in the open in a tarpaulin-covered four-poster bed, the STRAPP brothers (one of whom, Samuel, set up a Richmond accommodation house),and a man McPHERSON who unaware of Byrne's long arm had bilked Byrne's Glasgow agent of twenty pounds. UNICORN Although the ship sailed from Liverpool on 13 June 1850, most of the emigrants were from Scotland and from one neighbourhood, a fact noted by a reporter of the 'Cape Town Mail' when the ship reached the Cape in August 1850. She carried 257 passengers and was too big (946 tons) to be conveyed across the Bar at Durban. The little Sarah Bell brought off her cargo and the surf-boats ferried her passengers ashore. It was from these people that Byrne extracted an unexpected levy of two shillings and sixpence for first class passengers and one and sixpence for the steerage before the ship sailed. One passenger, Archibald SMITH, must have got a shock as Byrne and his clerks scrambled aboard, for he had just embezzled a sum of money from his Liverpool employer and was traveling under a false name. James ARBUTHNOT, his wife, and family came by the ship. Their family history states that the Unicorn was well run and well provisioned. The cabin passengers organized patrols throughout the ship and maintained good order.The first Presbyterian minister to Natal, the Rev William CAMPBELL, came by this ship to seek a more benign climate than that of his parish in Alexandria, Dunbartonshire, Scotland. His wife Maria, aged 35, and his five children accompanied him. George LAMOND, pioneer sugar planter with Edmund MOREWOOD at Compensation, also came. Forty-eight year-old George TROTTER, his wife Grace, and a family of three good- looking teenage daughters and a son of 11 were passengers. Gabriel EAGLESTONE, a stonemason and sculptor, later to commit suicide in Pietermaritzburg, was another emigrant to come with his wife and three children. The Unicorn had a tragic end the following year. While employed in transporting Irish emigrants to Canada she encountered a gale in mid-ocean, was demasted and eventually founded with some loss of life, though 200 passengers were rescued by another ship (see 'The Atlantic" by Stanley Rogers, page 160, Harrap, London 1930). Another family which became prominent and who arrived on the Unicorn was Duncan and Margaret McKENZIE an Argyllshire man who abandoned his plot of 40 acres and bought a timber farm near Nottingham Road. Sir Duncan McKenzie was one of his sons.In 1906 he (the son) was commander in chief of the Natal forces who suppressed a Zulu rebellion under Chief Bhambata -it has been my intention to elaborate on this episode throughout this centenary year - maybe soon? Byrne's agents in Scotland were :- W.Bowie 17 South Saint David Street, Edinburgh R. Mitchell Government Emigration Office, Forres R. Beveridge, 8 Princess Square, Glasgow H R Russell, 8 Watergate, Perth Messrs Broadfoot and Son, Leith As mentioned there is an alphabetical list of all emigrants so if there are any "brickwalls" about that time I will do look ups.Hope this has been of interest. Douglas

Dear Listers, Happy New Year! I've had a great start to the year as I've discovered a 2xgreat aunt Mary Allan, who I had thought had died in childhood had infact married a William Bolton in 1860 and had a least 3 children: Isabella 1862, George Allan 1865 and Agnes 1867. Mary died in 1875 in Paxton and it seems could never have lived far from home as she was married in Berwick in 1860. I only found her with her parents Isabella and Robert Allan in 1841, so I would like to know where she was both before and after her marriage, in 1851, 1861 and 1871. Any help on Mary or knowlege of the Bolton family would be much appreciated. Mary

Dear Listers, Happy New Year! I've had a great start to the year as I've discovered a 2xgreat aunt Mary Allan, who I had thought had died in childhood had infact married a William Bolton in 1860 and had a least 3 children: Isabella 1862, George Allan 1865 and Agnes 1867. Mary died in 1875 in Paxton and it seems could never have lived far from home as she was married in Berwick in 1860. I only found her with her parents Isabella and Robert Allan in 1841, so I would like to know where she was both before and after her marriage, in 1851, 1861 and 1871. Any help on Mary or knowlege of the Bolton family would be much appreciated. Mary

She is still living with Robert and Isabella and 4 siblings in the 1851census in Hutton, Paxton cannot find her or spouse on 1861 census, do you have birth details/location for the child Isabella regards Penny

Dear Vicki: I haven't been successful in finding Luke either....except that I found a birth in the IGI as follows: Luke CRAIG, born 25 March 1833, Collessie, Fife, Scotland Father: Henry CRAIG Mother: Margaret LENNOX A strong clue may be that she has named her son after her father. Also: In the 1861 census (www.ancestry.co.uk), there is a Margaret CRAIG (sister-in-law), aged 34, born Collessie, Fife with daughter Margaret CRAIG (niece), aged 5, born Bunkle, living with an ANDERSON family at Collessie, Fife. Her occupation is listed as Ag Lab. Presumably Mrs. Eliza ANDERSON is a sister to Margaret. I wonder if Luke belongs to the same family? Nevertheless, I haven't been able to find Luke in any of the censuses (1841, 1851, 1861). Regards, Barbara, NZ > I have a copy of the birth entry (from the scotlandspeople site) of Henry > Craig born 25 May 1861 at Lintlaw, Parish of Bunkle & Beston, County > Berwick. He is the illegitimate s/o Luke Craig (female) who is described > as house or domestic servant. > > My request is if someone who has a copy of the 1861 census could see if > they can find Luke Craig for me in the town of Lintlaw. I have tried > looking her up in the census index but to no avail, so I presume the name > is spelt differently. I have not been able to find her in the 1851 or > 1841 census either, but I don't know which Parish she may have been living > in, but I thought I should be able to find her in the 1861 census as I now > have an address for her.

Hi Everyone May I wish you all a healthy and sucessful New Year. Recently I have been working on the updates to the above list and realised that some Email addresses may have changed. Could I please ask those who have made submissions to the list in the past check that all information is entered correctly and advise me direct. The Website address is www.dfnoble.com/CULnames If you have Cumberland (Cumbria) interests which you would like posted please contact me as soon as possible as I hope to do an update later this week. Many brick walls have been brought down as a result of the list since it started 3/4 years ago. There are well over 6000 entries and worth a look if you are stuck. Regards Gerald Surname List Co-ordinator _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Vicki Moseley To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: 1861 census lookup I am new to this list and I am hoping someone might be able to assist me please. I have a copy of the birth entry (from the scotlandspeople site) of Henry Craig born 25 May 1861 at Lintlaw, Parish of Bunkle & Beston, County Berwick. He is the illegitimate s/o Luke Craig (female) who is described as house or domestic servant. My request is if someone who has a copy of the 1861 census could see if they can find Luke Craig for me in the town of Lintlaw. I have tried looking her up in the census index but to no avail, so I presume the name is spelt differently. I have not been able to find her in the 1851 or 1841 census either, but I don't know which Parish she may have been living in, but I thought I should be able to find her in the 1861 census as I now have an address for her. Hoping someone can assist me. Regards, Vicki Moseley (Aust)

I am new to this list and I am hoping someone might be able to assist me please. I have a copy of the birth entry (from the scotlandspeople site) of Henry Craig born 25 May 1861 at Lintlaw, Parish of Bunkle & Beston, County Berwick. He is the illegitimate s/o Luke Craig (female) who is described as house or domestic servant. My request is if someone who has a copy of the 1861 census could see if they can find Luke Craig for me in the town of Lintlaw. I have tried looking her up in the census index but to no avail, so I presume the name is spelt differently. I have not been able to find her in the 1851 or 1841 census either, but I don't know which Parish she may have been living in, but I thought I should be able to find her in the 1861 census as I now have an address for her. Hoping someone can assist me. Regards, Vicki Moseley (Aust)

Have you tried looking up an entry for the family in the 1881 census, when Mary would have been 8 and presumably with her parents? I know this would not give her mother's maiden name, but would be a start. Also provided the events took place in Scotland, her birth, marriage and death certifcates would give the names of her parents. Accessing www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk should provide all this info. If you want "look ups" for the family in the census returns, contact the Scottish Borders Archive and Local History Centre at Selkirk - www.archives@scotborders.gov.uk/ They have indexes to 1841, 1851, 1861, 1881 and 1891 censuses for Hawick and can provide you with printouts of actual entries for L2.50 (min. cost for sending photocopies within Europe - L5.50 outtwith Europe) Hope this helps, Susan (of Hawick) -----Original Message----- From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of stephen purdy Sent: 24 December 2006 10:50 To: BORDER@rootsweb.com Subject: [BORDER] HONER Hello i am hoping somebody may be able to help me i am looking for any information such as parents names of Mary Ann HORNER born about 1873 Hawick? she married George Elliot Born7 Feb 1873 at Cavers. Any help would be very usefull. Regards. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving  check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 15:54 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 20/12/2006 15:54

Mary, I had a quick look at the Ancestry.com 1841-1861 censuses yesterday and was stumped. I could not find any of the family in any part of Scotland. I even looked in England. There may be some spelling variations, such as Jardine, but even trying various searches I was not able to find them. Could they have left the U.K. altogether by 1841? Did they emigrate to the U.S. or Australia? Kathy Orlando, Florida -----Original Message----- From: border-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:border-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 4:31 PM To: border@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BORDER] Easton-Jordan Yetholm Thanks but this doesn't bring up anything at all. 1841 shows no matches and 1851 keeps coming up with Paisley being incompatible even though I've put in Yetholm!So perhaps they've moved and their new residence doesn't show up. Thanks though, worth a try, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles & Ruth Houston" <chouston@f2s.com> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Easton-Jordan Yetholm > The 1841 & 1851 Censuses for Yetholm are online at Freecen > http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl > > Regards > > Charles > > -------- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Photos is now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo. http://uk.photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

border-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mickle (Marion Affleck) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Marion there wrote: > I have a Janet Meagle married Gordon 1829. This changed to Meicle > and Meikle as time went on. > Meikle is the more common spelling now. I know she died in 1859 from > MI, I have not > downloaded death certificate as she was not part of my immediate > tree, She could be part of> Agnes's family Thanks. I've tried to match Agnes Mickle [ancestor of my wife] with your info. The several GORDON folk are in my own tree and lived far from her orbits. Agnes Mickle lived 1821 to 1874, we have her ancestors and descendants well proven EXCEPT no marriage found, nor hits in 1851, 1841 Census. Her spouse was James Ferguson, their ch were 6 bn Berwickshire 1843- 1850 and 4 bn Australia 1854-1866. My guess is they had no marriage recorded, and were outwith Scotland both in 1851 and 1841. Cheers,