they are still at Todrig in 1861 I used the Ancestry index and put in the first name 'William' only,plus 'shepherd' in the employment box. They are indexed as 'GRIENS" Judy On 27 Mar 2007, at 11:44, Margaret Sullivan wrote: > In the 1841 Census William GRIEVE, his wife Janet (DALGLEISH) and 4 > children are at Dodhead, Yarrow. > In 1851 they are recorded as GREIVE, with 8 children, at Todrig > Sheil, Selkirk. > I cannot find them anywhere in 1861, except son Robert at > Drumelzier, Peebles He is at Summerhope in 1871. > Widow Janet is still alive in 1891 aged 91. > William born c.1804, no baptism found, hopefully died after 1855. > Grateful for any ideas or information about this family. > Margaret in Brisbane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I should certainly be most grateful indeed if anyone has any knowledge of the origins, earlier ancestry or any living descendants of any of the following people. The Parish Registers have been exhausted for clues. John Wilson and his wife Janet Ralston resided at Muirhouse, Applegarth, having children there from 1791 onward. I am also interested to know how John connects with the other Wilsons in Muirhouse. William Porteous and his wife Janet Steel, who were married 11 March 1794 at Applegarth and resided for some time at Fourmerkland in that Parish. William Wilson and his wife Janet Porteous, who resided at Dassfauld, Tundergarth in the 1820s and 1830s and onward. A Johnston or Johnstone family who resided at Dornock around the 1820 to 1850 period and had a daughter Sarah born there about 1820 and married to James Wilson about 1848, later residing at Cleughhead, Tundergarth. If anyone has any Monumental Inscription records which might reveal anything, the same could be useful as well. Any information concerning the above mentioned farms, locations or places where any of these people lived would also be of interest. Thank you very much indeed. Even the vaguest clues will be very deeply appreciated indeed.

hope you make the link then :-) > I have a James and Janet Nisbet. Very distant, not > sure if related to Jane, but it might help, ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

hi folks, that's it for now hope you're all well and research progressing well le durachd fionnghal OPR 732/0080 0122 Coldingham 1852 pg.120 2 Jly 1852 Jane Stewart MURRAY, dau of Peter Murray, Hind Press, and his Margaret Wright his wife, was b. 3 Jly and bapt., 17 Jly by the Rev Mr Munro, Coldingham. Witnesses Ebenzer and Andrew Forsythe. 24 June 1852 John FORTUNE, s. of John Fortune, merchant Auchencrow, and Mary Bartram his wife, was b. 24 June 1852 and baptised by the revd Mr Smart, Thornside. 1 Sept 1852, Charles Makins, s. of Mr Edwd Makins, farmer, Auchencraw Mains & Mary Robson his wife, was b. Sept 1st & bapt., on the 7th Oct 1852 at Norham Church 31 May 1852 George BARTRAM, s. of James Bartram, farmer Howpark, and Sarah Mitchell, his wife, was b. 31 May and bapt., 22 June 1852 by the Revd Mr Ritchie, minister of the Secession at Howpark. 2 Jun 1852 Jane Nisbet PATERSON d. of Joseph Paterson, cattle dealer Coldingham, and Jane Craig his wife, was b. 2 June and bapt., 1 July by the Revd Mr Munro. Witnesses Robt & John Paterson, his brothers ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

a few more. hope they help some of you le durachd fionnghal OPR 732/0080 0105 Coldingham pg.103, 1850 12 Jan 1850 Catharine ANDERSON, d. of John Anderson, Hynd Heugh-head, and Alison Christison, his wife, was b. 12 Jan & bapt. On 19th Feb 1850 by the rev Andrew Henderson, minister of the Secession Church, Coldingham. Witnesses John McKay & Wm Black, both residing at Heugh head. 18 Jly 1850 Peter EDINGTON s. of Peter Edington, farmer, Lumsden, and alison Stoddart his wife, was b. Jly 18th and bapt., 23 Aug 1850 by the Rev Mr Munro, Coldingham. Witnesses Thomas Edington, Westerside, and William Stoddart his father in law. 8 Sept 1850, Edward MAKINS, s. of Mr Edwd Makins, farmer, Auchencraw Mains & Mary Robson his wife, was b. Sept 8th & bapt., Oct 7, 1850 at Norham Church. 2 Nov 1850 Robert JOHNSON, s. of James Johnson, farmer Templehall & Margaret Henderson, his wife, was b. 2 nov & bapt., 10 Dec by the Rev Mr Munro. Witnesses John Bartram, his bro-in-law & George Johnson his bro. ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

found all thses listed on the same page. OPR 732/0080, 0089 Coldingham BEW 18 Feb 1848 Thomas LOGAN, s. of David Logan esq., farner, Fairney castle, & Elizth Hastie, his wife, was b. 18 Feb 1848 and bapt., by the rev Davd Munn, minister of Coldingham. Witnesses Mr John Logan Hastie, Reston, & Mr John Logan, Butterdean. 21 Mar 1848 Mary LUKE d. of David Luke, blacksmith, Houdwood smithy, & Mary Lorain, his wife, was b. 21 Mar 1848 and bapt., in Houndwood church by Revd Mr Paterson, Cockburnpath. 28 Nov 1848, Elisabeth MAKINS, d. of Mr Edwd Makins, farmer, Auchencraw Mains, & Mary Robson his wife, was b. Nov 28 1848 & bapt. at Norham Church on 25 Jan 1849 2 Oct 1848 John NISBET, s. of Mr John Nisbet, merchant, Reston, & Elisth Thomson his wife, was b. 2 Oct 1848. 4th child, 2 Jly 1848 John Ford CORMACK, s. of David Cormack, shoemaker, Coldingham, and Janet Ford his wife, was b. 2 Jly 1848 and bapt. In the meeting house by Revd Mr Henderson. Cheers folks le durachd :-) fionnghal ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

In a message dated 3/19/2007 9:05:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk writes: 2 Jun 1852 Jane Nisbet PATERSON d. of Joseph Paterson, cattle dealer Coldingham, and Jane Craig his wife, was b. 2 June and bapt., 1 July by the Revd Mr Munro. Witnesses Robt & John Paterson, his brothers I have a James and Janet Nisbet. Very distant, not sure if related to Jane, but it might help, Thanks, Dick Bedwell ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

If you enter Cumrenton (with a 'u') in www.streetmap.co.uk it will take you to a map. Cumrenton is near Irthington just outside Brampton, east of Carlisle. Sandy Sike is just outside Longtown, north of Carlisle. You could also try entering Watson in www.thephonebook.bt.com to see if there is any family still in the area. Hope that helps. Alan Reid ----- Original Message ----- From: <border-request@rootsweb.com> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: BORDER Digest, Vol 2, Issue 42 >> Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:36:59 -0700 > From: Joyce <s.kent@shaw.ca> > Subject: [BORDER] Where is Comrenton and the Summer family > To: BORDER@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <000a01c7698c$6a6c0330$51974546@joycet6fnaweqi> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I am trying to locate Mr or Mrs Robert Watson or their family of > Comrenton, Irthing, Carliste, Cumbria, England > This address came to me from a family member who past away last year > (2006). Isabelle Reid visited this > family about 1979 > > This family are descendants of Robert Summers (born abt 1756) and > Margaret Bell (born abt 1767). This > couple moved with their family to Middlesex Co. Ontario about 1819. > Robert Summers was about 65 years > old at the time. Robert and Margaret were married 13 Nov 1798 apparently > at Lanercost Parish, Cumberland > > The places that I know of connected to this family are Brampton, Irthing, > Comrenton, Carlisle, Sandy Sikes > > This family is also tied to the families of Calvert, Robson and Routledge > from the same area. > > I am hoping to learn more about this family but as there are several > Summer's families and more than one > parish I wish to know where Comrenton is located. I believe Comrenton is > the name of the family farm. > > Thank you > > Joyce Nagy

Thanks John, I noticed Summerhope Burn closeby on my Landranger map 73, so we must have passed there when visiting James Hogg's memorial. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Turnbull" <turnbull.johna@bigpond.com> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: [BORDER] Summerhope/Rodono Margaret Mike is close to the mark but look for the arrow on the map SW of Rodono House and you will see where Summerhope actually was/is located. Rodono House was formerly named simply Rodono which my great great grandfather, David Turnbull, completed building in 1866. Although he lived near Hawick at Briery-Yards and at Fenwick, he built Rodono as his hunting lodge. Best wishes John Turnbull Victoria, Australia

I have searched on the Royal Mail postcode site and think the address you want is Cumrenton Irthington CARLISLE CA6 4PG Judy

hi folks, i've just stumbled in this brilliant free resource while looking for something totally unrelated. I couldn't believe it :-) .. great if any of your forebears was connected to printing, publishing bookbinding &c :-) while some of their entries are fairly limited info-wise, others are wonderfully detailed. It's roughly in alphabetical order .. but some are strangely out of sequence so be prepared to double check if your name doesn't seem to be included - and bear in mind thosue obscure creative spellings our forebears were so good at :-] For instance, the pages for names M'Clure – M'Goun are followed by Mearn – Miller which are then followed by M'Gowan – MacLachlan, then Miller – Moodie..! http://www.nls.uk/catalogues/resources/sbti/index.html here are a few examples to whet your appetite: MacLACHLAN, Robert printer Dumfries Dumfries 1771-93 Robert Maclachlan apprenticed to Allan M'Lauchlan & Co booksellers and stationers Dumfries 1771. Son of Allan. Bankrupt 1793. Sold his share to his brother Cuthbert. NLS Impr Ind; Maxted McLACHLAN [McLAUCHLAN], Isabella printer Dumfries 23 High-street, 1820 34 High Street 1825 28 High Street 1832 & Co Dumfries 1834 Successor to Cuthbert M'Lachlan. NLS Impr Ind; Pigot 1820; 1825 There's a ton of Elders for instance, and this is just one entry: ELDER, John bookseller, bookbinder and stationer Edinburgh Middle of the Horsewynd 1786-88 John Watson John Elder & Co 19 & 20 Parliament Close 1791 John Elder 7 North Bridge 1791 9 North Bridge 1792-1801 house 37 North Bridge 1793 Binding Shop and house Parliament Square 1800-02 41 North Bridge 1801-2 Post-House Stairs Parliament Close & Foot New Bank Close 1803-5 Old Post Office Stairs, Parliament Close Denovan's 1804 bookbinder Parliament Square 1805 Burgess in right of father Henry Elder weaver 2 November 1786; Member of the Edinburgh Bookseller's Society 31 March 1787. Guild Brother 13 April 1797; Married Elizabeth daughter of William Cleghorn bookbinder 22 September 1789. Agent for the Cheap Repository Tracts. Indicted for publishing The declaration of the rights of man by the National Assembly September 1792. Apprentice: Joseph Clark 29 November 1789. Menzies Bain and Robert Elder clerks or shopmen 1792, witnesses in his trial for sedition. Indictment NLS L.C.1133(5) NLS Impr Ind; Chapbook Printers; EdinBurg; EdinMarr; Edin Dir; EdinPren; Sher. Edinburgh Booksellers ELLIOT, John bookseller Hawick Hawick 1793 Samuel Charters' Two discourses was printed for Cornelius Elliot in Edinburgh and John Elliot in Hawick in 1793. 'Bad; Failed lately - only a 4th rate' Oliver and Boyd Travellers Logbook NLS Acc.5000/78 NLS Impr Ind; Bell HOG, Andrew apprentice stationer and bookseller Dumfries Dumfries 1718 Andrew Hog apprenticed to John Duncan stationer and bookseller Dumfries 1718. Maxted HOGG, James printer Edinburgh Wight's Place, 97 Causewayside 1836 bookseller and printer 116 Nicolson Street 1837-40 printer and stationer same address 1841-42 stationer and printer 122 Nicolson Street 1843-44 printer and publisher 122 and 56 Nicolson Street 1845-47 122 and 56 Nicolson Street and 45 Crosscauseway 1848 4 Nicolson Street and 45 Crosscauseway 1849-51 4 Nicolson Street and Brown Street Lane 1852-55 18 St Andrew Square and Brown Street Lane 1856-57 James Hogg & Sons publishers 18 St Andrew Square 1858-62 Son of James Hogg, the Ettrick Shepherd, was born near Edinburgh 26 March 1806, and apprenticed to James Muirhead, printer, 24 August 1818. After his apprenticeship he entered the 'book house' attached to The Caledonian Mercury. He went into business as printer and publisher in 1837. He published Hogg's Weekly Instructor from March 1845-December 1859. The name was changed to The Instructor and was later known as The Titan. In 1858, his sons James and John, became partners, and the firm gave up printing. The sons opened a branch office in London, whither the firm was transferred. The firm was dissolved in July 1867. James Hogg died in London 14 March 1880. DNB; Edin Dir; Gray 1836 rich pickings for some folks :-) le dùrachd fionnghal ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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Margaret Mike is close to the mark but look for the arrow on the map SW of Rodono House and you will see where Summerhope actually was/is located. Rodono House was formerly named simply Rodono which my great great grandfather, David Turnbull, completed building in 1866. Although he lived near Hawick at Briery-Yards and at Fenwick, he built Rodono as his hunting lodge. Best wishes John Turnbull Victoria, Australia

Wonderful, many thanks for that information Mike. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Simpson" <agene@optushome.com.au> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Robert GRIEVE, Summerhope Ettrick > Hi Margaret, > > >From a search of Google, Summerhope is now named Rodono House and it is now > a hotel on the western shore of St.Marys Loch. See > http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk:81/~ajn/SWAD.HTM (it takes a while to load), scroll > down to Summerhope and click on MAP to see a map as it is now. > > Best Regards, Mike Simpson > Penrith, NSW, Australia > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~agene > > > >

Hi Margaret, >From a search of Google, Summerhope is now named Rodono House and it is now a hotel on the western shore of St.Marys Loch. See http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk:81/~ajn/SWAD.HTM (it takes a while to load), scroll down to Summerhope and click on MAP to see a map as it is now. Best Regards, Mike Simpson Penrith, NSW, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~agene

In the 1871 census Robert Grieve age 54 and family are living at Summerhope Ettrick. He called his home in Australia, Summerhope. I have been unable to find it on various maps and wonder if anyone knows where it was. Margaret

I am trying to locate Mr or Mrs Robert Watson or their family of Comrenton, Irthing, Carliste, Cumbria, England This address came to me from a family member who past away last year (2006). Isabelle Reid visited this family about 1979 This family are descendants of Robert Summers (born abt 1756) and Margaret Bell (born abt 1767). This couple moved with their family to Middlesex Co. Ontario about 1819. Robert Summers was about 65 years old at the time. Robert and Margaret were married 13 Nov 1798 apparently at Lanercost Parish, Cumberland The places that I know of connected to this family are Brampton, Irthing, Comrenton, Carlisle, Sandy Sikes This family is also tied to the families of Calvert, Robson and Routledge from the same area. I am hoping to learn more about this family but as there are several Summer's families and more than one parish I wish to know where Comrenton is located. I believe Comrenton is the name of the family farm. Thank you Joyce Nagy

Someone asked about newspapers in Berwickshire. I lost the message. This might help Re the newspapers. Assuming it was a local newspaper try: The Berwickshire News Berwickshire Advertiser Southern Reporter If it was a national newspaper who knows what one it might have been. Dick Bedwell ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Thanks Sheila. I have checked it out and it was interesting. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris & Sheila Hale" <cshale@shaw.ca> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Hoscoteshiel & Shiringscleuch > j burns wrote: > > I'm looking at a marriage at Roberton, Roxburghshire in 1836. George Helm was from Hoscoteshiel and Helen Linton was from Shiringscleuch. These two places are about 12 kilometres west of Hawick. Does anyone know how many, or what type buildings would have been there in 1836 and what is there now? > > John > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > You might find the statistical accounts for 1845 interesting > http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp/?session-id=09443c72162eaafc2dbbcb1c8a076071&naecache=1&action=public > > Sheila I Hale > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

j burns wrote: > I'm looking at a marriage at Roberton, Roxburghshire in 1836. George Helm was from Hoscoteshiel and Helen Linton was from Shiringscleuch. These two places are about 12 kilometres west of Hawick. Does anyone know how many, or what type buildings would have been there in 1836 and what is there now? > John > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > You might find the statistical accounts for 1845 interesting http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp/?session-id=09443c72162eaafc2dbbcb1c8a076071&naecache=1&action=public Sheila I Hale