The appropriate procedure for marriage in 18th and 19c Scotland was to register your intent to marry with your home parish. A small fee was paid to have the banns or proclamation of marriage announced on one to three Sundays prior to the marriage. The purpose was to give the community a chance to comment on whether there was any reason the marriage should not go forward--a prior marriage, being too closely related, or other serious impediment. Marriage then took place most often in the bride's home--her mother's parlor. There was a prejudice against marrying in the church because a wedding tended to include a party, and there were fears of boisterous spirits contaminating the place of worship (as soon as I find my notes with the appropriate quote supporting this outrageous statement, I will put it up!). Most of the marriage records you will see prior to 1855 are really notices of proclamation. You will see that they registered on a given date, there may be references to the dates of proclamation and the fee paid, and then there may be reference to the date of the actual marriage--but that's rare. Assuming that it took place mid-week after the last Sunday's banns reading is usually a good guess, however. Any marriage that did not include a proclamation was considered an irregular marriage and was dealt with by the Kirk Session elders of the local parish. That could include eloping to a Justice of the Peace, or common law marriage. Elopement was a concern because of the not infrequent kidnapping of young heiresses. Most often it involved "ante-nuptial fornication"--literally, "pre-marital sex." It came up when a lady of the congregation confessed to being pregnant. She would be encouraged to point out the father. The couple might be questioned as to when and where and how frequently they were together--Sunday assignations were particularly heinous. The couple was then publically rebuked before the congregation and considered ostracized until such time as they could convince the elders they felt true remorse. Reconciliation and reinstatement usually followed--with a fine paid to Poor Relief. Robert Burns, who was himself a frequent and flagrant offender and therefore somewhat prejudiced, referred to the Kirk Session as the "fornication police." However, they played a social service role. While the procedure was humiliating, it served to either see the girls married and taken care of or the father made responsible for child support. The parish did not want to be burdened with supporting mother and child, but it wasn't all mercenary. There was concern for the people involved, even if a lot of it sounds mean by our standards (it could be mean, but don't assume it always was.) According to an article I read on Burns in Edinburgh during his Bicentennial celebrations, Ayrshire had one of the highest rates of illigitemacy in the country in the late 18th c. If the church was harsh, it was a culture that believed harshness could regulate human behavior. You will see below, that by the mid-19th c. feelings were emerging for handling things a bit more delicately. The following notes were abstracted from the Kirk Session Records for Paisley High parish, Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland, vol. 1. They were found at Register House, Edinburgh. (precise reference pending). 1--29 May 1797: Archibald McNair + Janet Renfrew acknowledge that they were irregularly married and have been guilty of antenuptial fornication. They were rebuked for the scandal (before the congregation) and paid 5 shillings of the fine to the poor and were dismissed. 2--26 March 1799: John Ewing + Margaret Parker--irregularly married--guilty of fornication--paid 1s to the poor. Their adherance was taken and they were appointed to be rebuked. 3--3 Aug. 1802: James Moody + Janet Orr--irregular marriage--no mention of fornication (they may have just elopd)--5s paid to the poor--rebuked. 4--10 June 1805: William Thomson + Jean Robertson--guilty of antenuptial fornication--rebuked. 5--(neglected to note date;but the next two items are between 1805 and 1817) Received from the Presbytery (the next responsible body after the local Kirk Session--a regional session made up of reps from the local churches) and Synod of Glasgow and Ayr (the final authority): The local Sessions were sent a questionnaire--were irregular marriages frequent in the parish? More frequent than formerly? Has the frequency of irregular marriages given rise to illegal or criminal connections such as bigamy or incest? Have fines been exacted to the utmost? Have the fines been applied to the pious purposes specified? Are the local Justices of the Peace required to gain certification from the parish that the couple are not of a forbidden degree of consanguinuity (not too closely related) and free and unmarried? What method does the Session think most prudent and effectual for checking this evil complaint? Paisly High Parish answered that irregular marriages were not that frequent and were less frequent than formerly. They had no record of incest or bigamy following as a result. They did not know if the Justices were exacting fines or requiring certification. 7--(failed to get date, between 1805-17) Robert Muir + Janet Robertson--irregularly married 3 years ago due to antenuptial fornication--adherance was taken--clerk's dues paid, 5s to the poor paid--rebuked. 8--12 Dec. 1817: It was proposed that the Session should relax its discipline as to persons under scandal...it might be more to the edification of all in general to rebuke them before the Session only, and before the congregation only when deemed necessary. It was passed subject to two elders dissenting (Swanlake and MacQueen). A Case of Resistance 9--30 Aug. 1819: Elizabeth Cunningham acknowledged that two years ago she bore a child in uncleaness and under interrogation accused John Robertson, manufacturer (textiles middleman), of Lonewills, of being the father. 10--16 Nov. 1819: Above case continued: Elizabeth appeared with a letter from John Robertson begging to be excused (from appearing) as he was a member of the Relief Church, McDermid, Minister. The session agreed. Elizabeth would be rebuked and a letter would be sent to John's minister. 11--12 Feb. 1820: Above case continued: A letter was reviewed from the Canal St. Relief Session dated 25 Nov. 1820 stating that John Robertson,manufacturer, Head of Lonewells (an address), was never in communion with the Relief church and has for a considerable time ceased to attend worship there. The session does not feel the case is under their jurisdiction. 12--7 May 1820: Above case continued. Elizabeth Cunningham craves absolution. The elders assigned to work with her gave a favorable opinion regarding her sincerity. John Robertson is ordered to appear before the Session. 13--31 July 1820: John did not appear; a Summons Ex Gratia is issued. 14--3 April 1820: John did not appear; the Session considers him to be "contumaceous" and submit his name to the Presbytery for any further action. (Their only power, I think, would be for excommunication.) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Listers, I am new to the list and wonder if anyone may be able to help me. I am searching for a missing marriage and three missing births. Kate ROPER married (John?) WILSON probably between 1901 and 1909 Edna Florence WILSON born 20th April 1908 Kenneth WILSON born 1911 Victor WILSON born approx 1914 I have searched all the English records in vain. I have tried all the variations of spellings and have even tried looking for the children with the surname ROPER. Family rumour has it that my grandmother was born in Newcastle, but due to the complete absence of records I am starting to think it must have been Scotland. Can anyone help please? This is driving me mad! Caroline (apologies to anyone who is also on the Midlothian list as I have posted this query there too) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today.

Wally, see http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/ Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally" <drewa@shaw.ca> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > Hi I see the new record office is now open Is there a WEB site that > one can get to do a research > > WALLY > > > , May 31, 2007 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > > >> yes, i visited Woodhorn in November while i was >> holidaying in NBL. it was great, plenty of space but >> get there early, by midday every computer was taken >> and remained so for the rest of the day >> >> le durachd >> fionnghal >> >>> >> Northumberland records office at Woodhorn >> >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try >> it >> now. >> http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 30/05/2007 > 15:03 > >

Many thanks to Mike and Fionnghal for the Donaldson burials and the link for Woodhorn.Most grateful. Mary

Mary, Woodhorn link is http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/ Mike Temple / Spain. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <border@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > > >> Thanks Mike, >> So the new records office is open now? I will have to get across. >> Best wishes from a rather mixed weatherwise Cumbria, >> Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Temple" <jmtemple@telefonica.net> >> To: <border@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms >> >> >>> Mary, >>> Northumberland records office at Woodhorn hold a number of >>> Presbyterian church baptism records . >>> I found a whole host of my ancestors on the Birdhopecraig church >>> records, >>> back to the mid-1700's. >>> Mike Temple, Spain. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mary" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> >>> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:45 PM >>> Subject: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms >>> >>> >>>> Dear Listers, >>>> I've long sought a birth for an ancestor William Lewins circa 1785 >>>> without >>>> success. I suspected a Thomas Lewins who died in 1844 might be a >>>> brother.I've found a baptism on the igi for Thomas William Lewins in >>>> Jan. >>>> 1773 at the Presbyterian Church Warenford, Northumberland. Father given >>>> as >>>> Thomas but alas no mother's name. >>>> Can anyone tell me whether it is likely that other presbyterian >>>> baptisms >>>> are available that may include my William. His mother was Janet and I >>>> suspect his father was Thomas. >>>> Best wishes, >>>> mary >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: >>>> 29/05/2007 >>>> 13:01 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 29/05/2007 >> 13:01 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 29/05/2007 > 13:01 >

Mary, yes, its been open since November last year I believe, I'll send you the link. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > Thanks Mike, > So the new records office is open now? I will have to get across. > Best wishes from a rather mixed weatherwise Cumbria, > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Temple" <jmtemple@telefonica.net> > To: <border@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > > >> Mary, >> Northumberland records office at Woodhorn hold a number of >> Presbyterian church baptism records . >> I found a whole host of my ancestors on the Birdhopecraig church records, >> back to the mid-1700's. >> Mike Temple, Spain. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:45 PM >> Subject: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms >> >> >>> Dear Listers, >>> I've long sought a birth for an ancestor William Lewins circa 1785 >>> without >>> success. I suspected a Thomas Lewins who died in 1844 might be a >>> brother.I've found a baptism on the igi for Thomas William Lewins in >>> Jan. >>> 1773 at the Presbyterian Church Warenford, Northumberland. Father given >>> as >>> Thomas but alas no mother's name. >>> Can anyone tell me whether it is likely that other presbyterian baptisms >>> are available that may include my William. His mother was Janet and I >>> suspect his father was Thomas. >>> Best wishes, >>> mary >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: >>> 29/05/2007 >>> 13:01 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 29/05/2007 > 13:01 > >

yes, i visited Woodhorn in November while i was holidaying in NBL. it was great, plenty of space but get there early, by midday every computer was taken and remained so for the rest of the day le durachd fionnghal > >> Northumberland records office at Woodhorn ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

hi you're in luck, the very first two records are yours. Cornhill MIs, Cornhill Parish church C/H = Cornhill D/L = Donaldson's Lodge s. = son d. = dau f. = father m. = mother w. = wife wd. = who died IOM = in memory of [x] = age at death D. = Donaldson Er. = erected [1] John Donaldson of C/H wd. 3 Jly 1772 [45] and John D his s. wd. 8 Oct 1780 [15]. also Agnes his w. wd. 27 Feb 1815 [80] also Agnes their d. wd. 15 Apr 1817 [61] also Thomas their s. wd. at D/L 8 Jly 1827 [67] rest of stone sunk [2] Er. by E. Donaldson IMO her m. Mary Glendinning wd. at D/L 27 Jan 1816 [52] also her f. John D. wd. 18 Dec 1818 [54] also his s. Andrew D. wd. 11 Dec 1818 [26] and just incase this is of interest: [50] Catherine Scott, w. of Wm Lewen, East Ord, wd. 18 aug 1848 [31] also Wm D Lewen, infant s. wd. 29 Sep 1848 [7yrs] i double checked the last entry as 7yrs isn't usually regarded as an infant but that is what it says on the fiche. i'd have suspected 7wks possibly his mum having died at his birth i also double checked my typing as my skill in the typo dept. is legendary and i wanted to be sure the dates &c were all correct :-) le durachd fionnghal > > There were older Donaldson burials too so if you ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

Hi I see the new record office is now open Is there a WEB site that one can get to do a research WALLY , May 31, 2007 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > yes, i visited Woodhorn in November while i was > holidaying in NBL. it was great, plenty of space but > get there early, by midday every computer was taken > and remained so for the rest of the day > > le durachd > fionnghal > >> >> Northumberland records office at Woodhorn > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try > it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Seeing references to Cornhill on the list recently reminded me of an issue I have never resolved. William BOOKLESS married Janet WILSON 'irregularly' at Branxton and Cornhill on 11th May 1791. This fact appears in the Coldingham Priory Sessions book. It says precisely, 'were irregulaly married according to the form of matrimony prescribed and used by the Church of England by Wm. Whinfield, minister of Branxton and Cornhill.' Would such a marriage appear in the marriage Registers at Branxton or Cornhill? Does such a marriage appear in the marriage registers of Branxton or Conrhill? Thanks Cyril

Thanks Mike, So the new records office is open now? I will have to get across. Best wishes from a rather mixed weatherwise Cumbria, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Temple" <jmtemple@telefonica.net> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > Mary, > Northumberland records office at Woodhorn hold a number of > Presbyterian church baptism records . > I found a whole host of my ancestors on the Birdhopecraig church records, > back to the mid-1700's. > Mike Temple, Spain. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:45 PM > Subject: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > > >> Dear Listers, >> I've long sought a birth for an ancestor William Lewins circa 1785 >> without >> success. I suspected a Thomas Lewins who died in 1844 might be a >> brother.I've found a baptism on the igi for Thomas William Lewins in Jan. >> 1773 at the Presbyterian Church Warenford, Northumberland. Father given >> as >> Thomas but alas no mother's name. >> Can anyone tell me whether it is likely that other presbyterian baptisms >> are available that may include my William. His mother was Janet and I >> suspect his father was Thomas. >> Best wishes, >> mary >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 29/05/2007 >> 13:01 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary, Northumberland records office at Woodhorn hold a number of Presbyterian church baptism records . I found a whole host of my ancestors on the Birdhopecraig church records, back to the mid-1700's. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary" <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: [BORDER] Presbyterian baptisms > Dear Listers, > I've long sought a birth for an ancestor William Lewins circa 1785 without > success. I suspected a Thomas Lewins who died in 1844 might be a > brother.I've found a baptism on the igi for Thomas William Lewins in Jan. > 1773 at the Presbyterian Church Warenford, Northumberland. Father given as > Thomas but alas no mother's name. > Can anyone tell me whether it is likely that other presbyterian baptisms > are available that may include my William. His mother was Janet and I > suspect his father was Thomas. > Best wishes, > mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 29/05/2007 > 13:01 > >

Dear Listers, I've long sought a birth for an ancestor William Lewins circa 1785 without success. I suspected a Thomas Lewins who died in 1844 might be a brother.I've found a baptism on the igi for Thomas William Lewins in Jan. 1773 at the Presbyterian Church Warenford, Northumberland. Father given as Thomas but alas no mother's name. Can anyone tell me whether it is likely that other presbyterian baptisms are available that may include my William. His mother was Janet and I suspect his father was Thomas. Best wishes, mary

ok, i'll take it with me on Friday and if i can manage a visit to the library i'll see what i can find. :-) fionnghal > Many thanks, That is a lovely tale! > There were older Donaldson burials too so if you > find a transcription I ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Many thanks, That is a lovely tale! There were older Donaldson burials too so if you find a transcription I would be grateful. Best wishes, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "fionnghal nicphadraig" <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cornhill burials: Donaldson no, i'm ssorry, no mention of them. they'll doubtless be mentioned in one of th local papers, at least tagnes has the best chance. the earlier the death, the less likely it was to appear in the paper. only those that could erad and write and could afford a notice in the paper would think to post one. still, i came on this novel piece in the book, 'Fishes and Fishing' By Wm Wright, publ. 1858 p.232 A boy named Donaldson, belonging to Coldstream, while fishing very lately for trout, in the Chapel stream, below Tweed Mill, with a worm for bait, caught a mussel 4" long, and 2" broad, which was found to contain no less that 40 fine pearls of different sizes; some of the pearls are thought to be worth 10/- each. The day before, the same boy hooked and landed a fine clean salmon, 8lbs in weight, with trout tackle - Border Advertiser. you never know, he might turn out to be one of yours or raelted anyway. couldn't resist it if you find out that the sheriff officer is yours let me know. i didn't keep the piece but as long as you remind me of the month year and name, i should be able to track it again. it was quite a long piece and very detailed about what happened. the officer was pals with the murderer and it was unusually conversational :-) a good read but too long i'm afraid to transcribe for the list. happy hunting :-) le durachd fiongnhal --- Mary <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Fionnagal, > I think they lived in Coldstream but were buried at > Cornhill as they had all > lived at Donaldson's Lodge. > Andrew died 10th May 1865, buried 13th May. > Agnes died 22.2. 1885 in Gateshead, buried at > Cornhill 25th feb. 1885.If I'm > right about the death it seems unlikely he was a > witness unless earlier in > the year.He had a son Andrew who would be about 19 > in 1865. > Thanks, > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fionnghal nicphadraig" > <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <border@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cornhill burials: Donaldson > > > > I've found an Andrew Donaldson in Coldstream which > is > > very close by, a sheriff officer. any connection? > he > > was a witness in a Murder trial in May 1865 > > > > what date did your folk die, do you know exactly? > > just incase they show up in the Scotsman Archives, > > i'll have a quick shufty but i need an exact date > for > > that > > > > le durachd > > fionngal > > > > > >> in a gravestone for Andrew 1812-1865 and Agnes > >> Donaldson(nee Lewins) 1814-1885, which I believe > may > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - > free your email address > > from your Internet provider. > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

no, i'm ssorry, no mention of them. they'll doubtless be mentioned in one of th local papers, at least tagnes has the best chance. the earlier the death, the less likely it was to appear in the paper. only those that could erad and write and could afford a notice in the paper would think to post one. still, i came on this novel piece in the book, 'Fishes and Fishing' By Wm Wright, publ. 1858 p.232 A boy named Donaldson, belonging to Coldstream, while fishing very lately for trout, in the Chapel stream, below Tweed Mill, with a worm for bait, caught a mussel 4” long, and 2” broad, which was found to contain no less that 40 fine pearls of different sizes; some of the pearls are thought to be worth 10/- each. The day before, the same boy hooked and landed a fine clean salmon, 8lbs in weight, with trout tackle – Border Advertiser. you never know, he might turn out to be one of yours or raelted anyway. couldn't resist it if you find out that the sheriff officer is yours let me know. i didn't keep the piece but as long as you remind me of the month year and name, i should be able to track it again. it was quite a long piece and very detailed about what happened. the officer was pals with the murderer and it was unusually conversational :-) a good read but too long i'm afraid to transcribe for the list. happy hunting :-) le durachd fiongnhal --- Mary <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Fionnagal, > I think they lived in Coldstream but were buried at > Cornhill as they had all > lived at Donaldson's Lodge. > Andrew died 10th May 1865, buried 13th May. > Agnes died 22.2. 1885 in Gateshead, buried at > Cornhill 25th feb. 1885.If I'm > right about the death it seems unlikely he was a > witness unless earlier in > the year.He had a son Andrew who would be about 19 > in 1865. > Thanks, > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "fionnghal nicphadraig" > <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <border@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cornhill burials: Donaldson > > > > I've found an Andrew Donaldson in Coldstream which > is > > very close by, a sheriff officer. any connection? > he > > was a witness in a Murder trial in May 1865 > > > > what date did your folk die, do you know exactly? > > just incase they show up in the Scotsman Archives, > > i'll have a quick shufty but i need an exact date > for > > that > > > > le durachd > > fionngal > > > > > >> in a gravestone for Andrew 1812-1865 and Agnes > >> Donaldson(nee Lewins) 1814-1885, which I believe > may > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - > free your email address > > from your Internet provider. > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Dear Fionnagal, I think they lived in Coldstream but were buried at Cornhill as they had all lived at Donaldson's Lodge. Andrew died 10th May 1865, buried 13th May. Agnes died 22.2. 1885 in Gateshead, buried at Cornhill 25th feb. 1885.If I'm right about the death it seems unlikely he was a witness unless earlier in the year.He had a son Andrew who would be about 19 in 1865. Thanks, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "fionnghal nicphadraig" <fionnghalnicphadraig@yahoo.co.uk> To: <border@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Cornhill burials: Donaldson > I've found an Andrew Donaldson in Coldstream which is > very close by, a sheriff officer. any connection? he > was a witness in a Murder trial in May 1865 > > what date did your folk die, do you know exactly? > just incase they show up in the Scotsman Archives, > i'll have a quick shufty but i need an exact date for > that > > le durachd > fionngal > > >> in a gravestone for Andrew 1812-1865 and Agnes >> Donaldson(nee Lewins) 1814-1885, which I believe may > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address > from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On 27 May 2007, at 23:45, fionnghal nicphadraig wrote: > is that right, i knew bits of NBL had at one time been > in Co Durham, but i never thought of Berwick area. ... do you know > of there's an > online map which shows the old Co Duham boundaries? The Northumberland maps at http://www.youroldbooksandmaps.co.uk/mapscd3preview/northumberland.htm seem not to be working today - at least not for me. The maps on Oldmaps are no help - they are after 1844. From time to time, antique map dealers may have one on offer. I know that I downloaded one once but cannot find it. The main areas which comprised North Durham were Norhamshire, Islandshire (later joined as Norham & Islandshire) and Bedlingtonshire. The Farne Islands and three or four other very small enclaves, far too small to have been parishes were also parts of Co Durham. It is so long since I saw Raine's History of North Durham that I cannot recall whether it had a map. Surtees's History of Durham and the Northumberland County History do not cover the parts dealt with by Raine. Dr Harold Whitaker's 'A Descriptive List of the Maps of Northumberland' does not indicate which specifically showed North Durham - most of the early maps he illustrated don't. The earliest one he illustrates with Norham & Islandshire marked out (as 'County of Durham') is Lieut Andrew Armstrong's map of 1770. Later maps vary, some showing the areas as part of Co Durham and others showing Northumberland 'all of a piece'. Armstrong shows Berwick as part of Co Durham, which would be wrong. Berwick was a Town and County in its own right. Jim Balmer

I've found an Andrew Donaldson in Coldstream which is very close by, a sheriff officer. any connection? he was a witness in a Murder trial in May 1865 what date did your folk die, do you know exactly? just incase they show up in the Scotsman Archives, i'll have a quick shufty but i need an exact date for that le durachd fionngal > in a gravestone for Andrew 1812-1865 and Agnes > Donaldson(nee Lewins) 1814-1885, which I believe may ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

there is a fiche but i think your burials are too late to be on it. my John Lumsden isn't on it and he was buried in 1868. i have the fiche but won't be in town till Friday so no way of reading it till then. i'll have a look unless someone has the info or knows for defiite that they're too recent to be included. i've a feeling the latest might be about 1855 whe a lot of MIs were recorded all over the country. le durachd fionnghal --- Mary <marynewbery@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Listers, > Could anyone tell me whether there are > transcriptions of Cornhill burials. I am interested > in a gravestone for Andrew 1812-1865 and Agnes > Donaldson(nee Lewins) 1814-1885, which I believe may > still be extant. Can anyone help me Please? > Also are there any old photos of Donaldson's Lodge? > Best wishes, > mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BORDER-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk