Hi List: I have just found my GGG Grandparents, Thomas Knox and his wife Elspath Kyle in the Greenlaw MI Book. Would the Greenlaw Church hold Baptism records of their Children, Alexander b: 1801or1809, Janet b: 1806 and John b: 1796 ? Alexander Knox married Jane Henderson February 12, 1832 in Westruther and moved to Canada. Where could I find their Marriage Certificate? Would also love to hear from others researching the families of Alexander Kyle, Janet Forsyth and Margaret Trotter who married John Knox. Any information on these families will be greatly appreciated. Marjorie White Ontario, Canada

Hi I've just started an e-group for those people researching their families in Southern Scotland. This group is intended as a forum where members can exchange genealogical information on their families who originated in the Borderlands of Scotland. This encompases Dumfriesshire, Kirkudbrightshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Selkirkshire, Peeblesshire and Wigtownshire. It is possible to post messages, upload/download files and arrange chat sessions with collaborators. The link is http://www.egroups.com/group/SouthernScotlandGenealogy and follow the instructions to subscribe. Thank you and hope you are interested Stuart

Hello List I have found in the Hobkirk Parish Register baptism records listed has having taken place at STONEDGE and HOBSBURN. I have been unable to locate these places, dose anyone recognise these names? Regards Maurice Keith French Huntly New Zealand maurice.french@xtra.co.nz

I am starting to research the Liddle family. The family story is they came from the border of England and Scotland. My mother remembered seeing in an old book a place named Liddesdale and a river called the Liddle River. My mother's family is all around Buffalo, New York. Any leads? The Liddles came over about 6 generations ago. I would appreciate any web address for information, also.

Hi Everyone I am researching the SUDDENS ( also SUDDEN, SIDDONS ) family and would love to hear from anyone with a connection. Thanks Rochelle

Hello all Family names which seem to be in English and some over the Border counties- are Spottiswood and Woodmass ( all forms of spelling for both names). Great grand parents emigrated about late1870 to Republic, county of Marquette, MI, USA. Went back to England and emigrated to Australia 1877. Australian and New Zealand families nearly all found. Also one in USA. We think there are others in USA and Canada. Aileen Grant

I am searching for Samuel Robertson born 13 Sept 1749 Father David Robertson @ Kelso, Roxburgh... Im hoping someone can look this up for me and tell me something about this family... I would like to know if there were other siblings and the mothers name?... I really do not know anything about Scotland as I am a Native of California, USA. My 6th Great Grandfather (Samuel) came from Scotland (with his brother William) to the USA in ca 1769 when he arrived he and his wife Elizabeth (Harris) gave birth to a son Named David.... Im hoping that this is him in Roxburgh......... PLEASE HELP!! This info I was given by someone who found a famous Diary Interview of 'Kentucky's Early Settlers' done by Samuel's Grandson in 1898. This is all that he says about Samuel in the Interview: (This is a interview given by David Columbus Robertsons son Allen E. Robertson, 1898 Clay Co. Kty. .......... My father was born at or near mouth of Dan River, VA, at a little town called Moraviantown. His name was David ROBERTSON; he died in Clay County KY 18 Or 20 of June 1872 or 73 age 103 and from Feb to June. HIS father was Samuel ROBERTSON. He was born in the Highlands of Scotland. His wife, Elizabeth HARRIS. His brother William came over with him. I do not know when they came nor whether either was married when they came, though I think, they were. My grandfather left Moraviantown and settled two miles southeast of Richmond, KY where the water works now are, in 1777. 1 have heard my father say it was two years after BOONE went into the Fort at Boonesborough. Col. ESTILL settled near him about the same time, I think the same year. ...) This is all I have on Samuel. I have checked Scots Orgin and came up with nothing. I checked the IGI at LDS and came up with this one Samuel being born in Roxburgh with a father named David which I stated above..... This could be MY Samuel.... ??? What do you think???? HELP???? Shearies@mswin.net Thanks, Margaret Robertson

I am trying to research the TINLIN family, which I understand originated in Roxburghshire. JAMES TINLIN born c. 1843, Kelso Railway Carter, Wagon Driver m. CATHERINE SCOTT born c. 1842, Carham, Northumberland m. 18/2/1867, South Sunderland Children: Ellen Tinlin, born 1868, Sunderland Charles Tinlin, born 2/3/1869, Kelso Thomas Tinlin, born 29/6/1870, Kelso Catherine Tinlin, born 26/4/1872, Kelso Margaret Tinlin, born 1876, Newcastle James Tinlin, born 1879, Newcastle Archibald Tinlin, born 1882, Newcastle Joan Tinlin, born 1885, Newcastle I have no knowledge of James' origins, except that he was born in Kelso according to the 1871 census for Kelso. I suppose the next step would be to look for the 1861 census for Kelso to see if I can find him on that. He would then be about 18, and presumably living with his parents. I would appreciate any suggestions or advice you may have to offer. Chris Alexander

I am trying to research the TINLIN family, which I understand originated in Roxburghshire. JAMES TINLIN born c. 1843, Kelso Railway Carter, Wagon Driver m. CATHERINE SCOTT born c. 1842, Carham, Northumberland m. 18/2/1867, South Sunderland Children: Ellen Tinlin, born 1868, Sunderland Charles Tinlin, born 2/3/1869, Kelso Thomas Tinlin, born 29/6/1870, Kelso Catherine Tinlin, born 26/4/1872, Kelso Margaret Tinlin, born 1876, Newcastle James Tinlin, born 1879, Newcastle Archibald Tinlin, born 1882, Newcastle Joan Tinlin, born 1885, Newcastle I have no knowledge of James' origins, except that he was born in Kelso according to the 1871 census for Kelso. I suppose the next step would be to look for the 1861 census for Kelso to see if I can find him on that. He would then be about 18, and presumably living with his parents. I would appreciate any suggestions or advice you may have to offer. Chris Alexander

Peggy, Do you want the certificates, or just the information? FHCs & major public libraries in Ontario have the Ontario Vital Records Index on film from 1869 to 1900 plus. This gives you a number which leads to the filmed records at the Ontario Archives. Where are you located? Joan Main, Richmond Hill On CA

Hello If you want a copy of a BMD registration document, write to the : Office of the Registrar General, P.O. Box 4600, 189 red River Road, Thunder Bay, Ontario P7B 6LB. Phone # 416 325 1838 They charge $15.00 CDN for a (2.5 x 3.75) certificate. A certified photostatic copy of a registration (8 x 14) is $22.00 CDN. A five year search (letter format) is $15.00 . Phone or mail them to get an application form and go from there. The above information I copied from a 1994 fee schedule. I phoned them to try and get the latest fee schedule but all I got was an answering M/C menu ( you can phone and leave your address and they will mail you an application form). I was thinking if you want to save a long distance phone call, send me you mailing address . I will phone them from here and leave your address. The Ontario Archives in Toronto has copies of the BMDs on film but they do not do research or copying. Meaning you would haveto hire someone. Take care Bill Murray Scarborough , Ontario thistle@stny.rr.com wrote: > >Murray Cuthbert, > >Toronto > > Dear Murray, > I went to the Ontario Archives web site and they said you cannot get the > Birth & Death records from Ottawa's Archives. That they are to be gotten > only from Toronto. Did I read this right? A couple years ago a wonderful > lady at the Kitchener FHC was going to Ottawa and got me a death certificate > (unfortunately the wrong one). I would like to get a copy of the right one > and a brother's also. Can you tell me what is the correct way to go about > this? (the deaths occurred in South Dumfries, Brant & North Dumfries, Waterloo) > thanks much, > Peggy

For the folks who settled in Andes NY try the port of Albany. Boston is also indexed for most years. Naturalization papers tell port of entry and date. Chris Bain

>Murray Cuthbert, >Toronto Dear Murray, I went to the Ontario Archives web site and they said you cannot get the Birth & Death records from Ottawa's Archives. That they are to be gotten only from Toronto. Did I read this right? A couple years ago a wonderful lady at the Kitchener FHC was going to Ottawa and got me a death certificate (unfortunately the wrong one). I would like to get a copy of the right one and a brother's also. Can you tell me what is the correct way to go about this? (the deaths occurred in South Dumfries, Brant & North Dumfries, Waterloo) thanks much, Peggy

I have just joined the list so I am posting we interests REED (Chollerton from mid 19th century, prior to that at Simonburn and I believe Elsdon STOKOE (Allendale - late 18th and early 19th century] WHITFIELD [Allendale] PICKERING [Thockrington - mid 19thC and prior to that Haltwhistle] ARMSTRONG [ Little Swinburn - mid 19th C and before that Middleton THORNTON [Hartburn upto mid 19thC] HINDMARSH [Newcastle, Ryton, Involved with Hindmarsh and Heppel -Newcastle Estate Agency] NICHOLSON [Newcastle] Tom Reed Inverurie Aberdeenshire

Hello Ann, Here is your Robert RAE on the 1881 census. Dwelling: Burnbank Farm House Census Place: Foulden, Berwick, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224031 GRO Ref Volume 741 EnumDist 1 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert RAE M 59 M Earlston, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 146 Ac Arable Employing 1 Man And 1 Boy Isabella RAE M 62 F Mertoun, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife Isabella RAE U 25 F Greenlaw, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Farmers Daughter William RAE U 23 M Mertoun, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son George R. RAE U 21 M Mertoun, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farmers Son Peter I. ALLAN U 23 M Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant There is a William RAE born 1800 +/- 2years, but a different wife. Dwelling: Ladywell Census Place: Dunse, Berwick, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224030 GRO Ref Volume 735 EnumDist 4 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William RAE M 79 M Bunkle, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Ag Lab Catherine RAE M 79 F Dunbar, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Wife Hope this helps. Regards, Gil. Hall. Southampton, England Researching HALL, NBL / DUR; DENT, DUR; KING, BEW / NBL / DUR; STEWART, Edinburgh, MLN / DUR; WINTON, Musselburgh, MLN / STS; BEAUMONT, STS / SAL; HOLDEN (ING), STS; BEES, SOM. ANDERSON, NBL; DAVISON, NBL. -----Original Message----- From: Ann and Bill Rae <ann-bill@iafrica.com> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 15 April 2000 14:43 Subject: RAE/RENWICK >William RAE married Isabel RENWICK no dates available >son Robert RAE born 13 Aug 1821 Kirklands, Earlston Parish, Bew Sct. > died 8 Dec 1891 Hume, Bew, Sct. >Can anyone please help with a connection or any information. >Kind regards >Ann Cape Town > >______________________________

Hello list, I've bookmarked a number of Canadian gen sites, listed below, which may be useful. Canadian census taking began in 1851, but there were local and partial census reports before then. I believe that Canada did not require passenger lists for inbound ships before 1865, though occasioanlly you can find lists before that date. One exception is the "Peter Robinson" settlers, a sponsored immigration scheme which is very well documented-see below. The ISTG (Immigrant Ship Transcribers Guild) at Rootsweb may be able to help with passenger lists, though that project is still in its early stages. Many of the sites below relate specifically to Ontario, where the majority of Irish emigrants ended up, but the provinces of Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia should also not be overlooked. National Archives of Canada: http://www.archives.ca/00/00_e.html#top The 1871 Ontario Census Index (heads of households and strays only) is part of this site, specifically http://www.archives.ca/exec/naweb.dll?fs&020108&e&top&0 and use the Serch the Database link. It will return a list of names, ages, birthplaces and area of residence. If you then click on the "A" beside the name, you get a bit more info, including the microfilm reel number and page reference for the 1871 Census. The 1871 Census was chosen in part for its relative accuracy and completeness compared to earlier census reports, and also because it represented a high water mark in Ontario's settlement. By 1871, virtually all of the good farmland had been taken up in Ontario, and the next generation often went west to Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa or the Dakotas in search of land. With the opening of the Canadian west after completion of the transcontinental Canadian Pacific Railway in 1885, it was possible for settlers from Ontario (and the US) to move to the Canadian prairies, and many did. I understand that there are no Canadian records for immigrants from the US prior to 1908, but I don't know when the US began recording border crossings from Canda. Some sites with links: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/canada.html http://www.50megs.com/luke/index.html (Note especially any references to Lanark, Carleton, Peterborough or Russell counties, all of which had heavy Irish settlement before 1850.) Additional Lanark County sites: Lanark County Gen Society: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/LCGS/index.htm Lanark lookups http://www.ott.igs.net/~mcroft/lanark/lookup.htm Ontario Gen Web: http://www.multiboard.com/~spettit/ongenweb/ Ontario maps and place locator: http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/locator/index.html http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4051/ http://www.islandnet.com/~jveinot/cghl/cghl.html http://directory.netscape.com/Society/Genealogy/Organizations/Canada http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/canada.html And another. Also, note the "Cindi's List" for other links. http://www.king.igs.net/~bdmlhm/cangenealogy.html Ontario Gen Society: OGS is an umbrella organization with local branches, and does a lot of publications. http://www.ogs.on.ca/ Here's a specifically Irish-Canadian site http://members.tripod.com/~firstlight_2/irishcdn.htm Rootsweb lists-here's all the Canadian Rootsweb lists: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/#canada Here's the OCFA (Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid) site, but note only version 5 is searchable on-line. Version 6 is not. You may need a computer guy/gal to help download them to spreadsheet format so you can combine the 2 versions. There are some duplications between 5 and 6. Note that not all Ontario MI's are here, as the data is contributed by local gen organizations, not all of which wish to participate. http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/ Ontario maps are at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/locator/maps.html Ontario "Locator" To quote from the introduction, "all listings are created on the assumption that visitors have no idea where the town/village they are looking for is located in Ontario. By giving the name of a township & county, it narrows the search down considerably. " http://www.rootsweb.com/~canon/locator/index.html http://www.ingeneas.com/free/index.html Peter Robinson settlers: http://www.kawartha.net/~jleonard/robinson.htm Famine Irish: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/boston.html Canada's "Ellis Island": http://parcscanada.risq.qc.ca/grosse_ile/ Regards, Murray Cuthbert, Toronto

Hi Douglas, I forgot to answer your question in my previous message... There is a "Catalog of catholic immigrants from the British Isles before 1825" that lists people arriving from both Scotland, Ireland and England who are mentioned in catholic parish registers of Quebec. Since most ships arriving from Europe disembarqued in Quebec City or Montreal before going to Upper Canada, it may be of some help, if you are lucky... The book is written by Normand Robert and Michel Thibault (it is a french/english bilingual edition) and is available from de Societe de Genealogie Canadienne-francaise (French-canadian gen. society) in Montreal. Their web address is: http://www.sgcf.com Hope this helps, Marc --------------------------------------------------------------- Marc-Gabriel Vallieres Maisonneuve College, Montreal mvallie@edu.cmaisonneuve.qc.ca -----Message d'origine----- De : Douglas W. Galbraith <douggal@email.msn.com> À : BORDER-L@rootsweb.com <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date : samedi 15 avril 2000 09:57 Objet : Scottish emigrants to Canada lookups > I have "A dictionary of scottish emigrants to Canada before >confederation" on loan. This lists emigrants in alpha order up to 1855 and >includes family, age,etc.. I would be glad to do lookups for those that are >interested. I got it to research my G-G-Grandfather Archibald Galbraith who >was born in Antrim Co, Ireland in 1807 and arrived in Upper Canada sometime >in before 1840. He was not in it since my family came from Scotland through >Ireland. Does anyone know of a similar reference for those that came from >Ireland? > >Doug Galbraith (NC-USA) > >______________________________

To Nancy Gray: My ancestors, the STOTT family, lived in Roxburghshire. They emigrated to the USA in 1818 from the port of Leith, now a part of Edinburgh. They also settled in Andes, Delaware Co., New York. I'm not sure which USA port they entered, but I'd guess Philadelphia or NY. You are fortunate that your family moved to Delaware Co. as volunteers have created a fantastic genealogical web site for the county: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nydelawa/ I've spent many hours researching in that site. I hope you find your families too. -- Mary C. Curtis <mcurtis@nwlink.com> Kirkland, Washington, USA (near Seattle) on 4/16/00 9:24 AM, Vtnana@aol.com at Vtnana@aol.com wrote: > Would anyone have any idea from what port a family from Roxburyshire would > leave for America? They ended up in the middle of New York State in a small > village called Andes where other Scottish people were living. I'm not sure > where they arrived in the States either. Thank you, Nancy Gray

Would anyone have any idea from what port a family from Roxburyshire would leave for America? They ended up in the middle of New York State in a small village called Andes where other Scottish people were living. I'm not sure where they arrived in the States either. Thank you, Nancy Gray

> >I'm having problems tracing my SCOTT roots through Ireland as well. Are there >any good books on this subject, or does anyone know of a person that does >Scots-Irish geneaology services? I'm so stuck, I'm willing to pay for >professional at this point. > >Stephen > Have you tried the newsgroup called soc.genealogy.ireland? I understand that there is also a mailing list associated with it, but you'd have to look at Rootsweb to see how to subscribe. Lesley Robertson