Dear Listers, I have just found an incredible London map site. I know that not everybody has connections with London but this site is really worth looking at for those that have plus those that like modern internet technology.. You can select a map from the years 1827, 1859 or 1889 and just zoom in on any desired area. You can even print out your selection. http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/map1859.html Just try it, Best wishes from, Michael.

Greetings again, Can anyone tell me if Sington, Roxburgh is the same place as Singdean? I couldn't find a Sington on any current map. thanks, Peggy

Lynda What you need are a few good history books about the Borders. For starters "The Steel Bonnets" the story of to the Anglo Scottish Border Reivers by George MacDonald Fraser as easy reading and explains some of the early history. Also bear in mind the constant battle between the Scots and English and the Border Country was right in the path of these apposing forces. Cromwell also did a lot of damage, at least his soldiers did Alison in Calgary At 11:54 AM 02/05/00 -0400, you wrote: >I'm sorry. I guess my message was unclear...I was more interested in what >unfortunate things happened to the border peoples, rather than records. I >had asked a question about a surname, and the response referred to records >not being readily available in the borders area because of the unfortunate >things that transpired there over time. Can anyone explain? > >Thank you in advance... > >Lynda in Pennsylvania > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@stm.tudelft.nl> >To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 1:52 PM >Subject: Re: Robert Dodds Scott of Ancrum, Roxburghshire circa 1803 > > >> >This is my first attempt at researching my Scottish ancestry, and I have >> >already gotten a response that I don't understand...can anyone please >> excuse >> >my lack of knowledge of Scottish history and explain to me what sort of >> >unfortunate things transpired in the Borders region that would have >> affected >> >records being kept, etc.? >> >> All sorts of things could have happened to the records. Books got lost, or >> fell apart. Damp doesn't do a lot for the survival of paper. Moreover, if >> your folk were not Church of Scotland (they could have been free Church, >> Epicopalian, or other things) then their records will be in the National >> Archives of Scotland, and would therefore not have been taken up into the >> IGI. >> >> I suggest that if you're just starting, you take a look at the Beginners >> Guide on Genuki on http://www.genuki.org.uk/ >> Lesley Robertson >> > > >

Greetings all, Can anyone tell me what parish (s) Sington and Castleton, Roxburgh are/were in? I have some Scotts that were born in both; in the 1700 & 1800's. thanks, Peggy

Not sure about Sington, but I do know that Singdean (or Singden) was a farm in the parish of Castleton. In the 1st half of the 19th century, a Walter Scott (m. Elspeth Telfer) was shepherd there. A short biography of Walter is included in a book by George Tancred, _Rulewater and its People_ (1904, but reprinted recently by the borders FHS). Bill Ramp Lethbridge Alberta thistle@stny.rr.com wrote: > Greetings all, > Can anyone tell me what parish (s) Sington and Castleton, Roxburgh are/were > in? I have some Scotts that were born in both; in the 1700 & 1800's. > thanks, > Peggy

Michael, Thanks for the info on the map. It's great! Lorraine Searching--LINDSAY, SPENCER, LUNDY, SMITH

Hello Borders folks, Does anyone know the location of Balnagowan, probably and estate rather than a town. It was (is?) the home of the Ross' who intermarried with the Lockharts Thanks Bill Copeland for Tom Lockhart

I'm sorry. I guess my message was unclear...I was more interested in what unfortunate things happened to the border peoples, rather than records. I had asked a question about a surname, and the response referred to records not being readily available in the borders area because of the unfortunate things that transpired there over time. Can anyone explain? Thank you in advance... Lynda in Pennsylvania ----- Original Message ----- From: Lesley Robertson <l.a.robertson@stm.tudelft.nl> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Robert Dodds Scott of Ancrum, Roxburghshire circa 1803 > >This is my first attempt at researching my Scottish ancestry, and I have > >already gotten a response that I don't understand...can anyone please > excuse > >my lack of knowledge of Scottish history and explain to me what sort of > >unfortunate things transpired in the Borders region that would have > affected > >records being kept, etc.? > > All sorts of things could have happened to the records. Books got lost, or > fell apart. Damp doesn't do a lot for the survival of paper. Moreover, if > your folk were not Church of Scotland (they could have been free Church, > Epicopalian, or other things) then their records will be in the National > Archives of Scotland, and would therefore not have been taken up into the > IGI. > > I suggest that if you're just starting, you take a look at the Beginners > Guide on Genuki on http://www.genuki.org.uk/ > Lesley Robertson >

Hi Monica and Ian, I'm back. There are no trains, but the Borders are full of talk about the construction of replacement railway lines by 2005. Does anyone think they will be laid? There are still traces of the old routes and their removal must have hurt the area under discussion very much. Regards John Shearer -----Original Message----- From: MonicaWorks <hogg@gulfislands.com> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 28 April 2000 00:09 Subject: Re: Bus Times >This is quite surprising as I have been told that there is no rail service >to Selkirk anymore. > >Is this new? > >Monica > >MonicaWorks Web Design >www.gulfislands.com/monicaworks/ >hogg@gulfislands.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ian Graham <iangraham@cableinet.co.uk> >To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 6:23 AM >Subject: Re: Bus Times > > >> These times are taken from the Borders Railink Service in the Railtrack >> timetable >> valid until 27th May.Mondays to Saturdays >> Edinburgh Bus Station Dep 2005 Galashiels arr 2120 >> " Dep 2100 Peebles arr 2153 >> " Dep 2105 Galashiels arr 2220 >> Selkirk arr >2235 >> Hawick arr 2255 >> To confirm details contact First Edinburgh on 0131 663 9233 >> >> Regards Ian Graham >> >> John Shearer wrote: >> >> > Good Evening Borders Listers >> > >> > I am meeting my son in Edinburgh about 7.00pm to 7.30pm. Is it possible >to >> > catch a bus to Peebles, Hawick, Selkirk or Galashiels at 8.00pm? >> > >> > Alternatively, could you give me the telephone number of the Edinburgh- >> > Borders bus company. >> > >> > Thanks in advance >> > >> > John Shearer >> > >> > - >> >

Dear Listers, Being new to the group I wish to post my research and problems? HELP! Researching MCMILLEN/MCMELLON/MACMELON/or any other derivative. John MCMELLON b 1804 Coalminer possibly born in Northumbria or Cumbria d. ? US Margaret MCMELLON b 1800 d ? US children: John Jr. b 1828/9 d ? in US coalminer Mary b 1831/2 d ? William b 1834/5 d ? in US coalminer (my gg grandfather) m. Ellen Salsbury Jane b 1836/7 d ? Robert b 1839/40 d ? Elizabeth b 1848/9 d. ? This family left England 6/1852 arriving in Philadelphia 8/31/1852. As mentioned the men were coalminers. I have found in the IGI a large group of MCMILLEN/MCMELLON/MCMILLAN in Northumbria and Cumbria. How do find which parishes contained coalmines? I have not had any luck in locating this family in any of the parish census films I have ordered to date. But I am ordering blindly. HELP! Ed McMillen New Mexico

Hello Looking for someone with a copy of the 1871 census for Kelso, Roxborough and in particular Floors Castle. I need the occupants of said estate on the day of the census and I am miles up in the high country with a 50 knot wind blowing. Cheers, MJS Researching SKELLY and distaffs.

>This is my first attempt at researching my Scottish ancestry, and I have >already gotten a response that I don't understand...can anyone please excuse >my lack of knowledge of Scottish history and explain to me what sort of >unfortunate things transpired in the Borders region that would have affected >records being kept, etc.? All sorts of things could have happened to the records. Books got lost, or fell apart. Damp doesn't do a lot for the survival of paper. Moreover, if your folk were not Church of Scotland (they could have been free Church, Epicopalian, or other things) then their records will be in the National Archives of Scotland, and would therefore not have been taken up into the IGI. I suggest that if you're just starting, you take a look at the Beginners Guide on Genuki on http://www.genuki.org.uk/ Lesley Robertson

Hello Listers, Was wondering if anyone could help me. I have been going through the LDS microfilm for Eyemouth OPRs marriages and baptisms, and have couple of queries. Firstly, the surname I am researching is Landels / Landles and @the mid 1700s, I get the impression that this surname has been abbreviated. The script is difficult in places, but on numerous occasions, I`ve seen what looks like Lles as the surname. Is it possible that a surname could be abbreviated in this way? Secondly, I have also come across a Landels marriage record, which says that the couple were regularly proclaimed on such and such a date and thereafter married. They had been clandestinely married the previous year "at the Union Bridge"???? Does anyone have any ideas re this last statement. I also found other couples who had been clandestinely married. Grateful for any opinions. Nick.

This is my first attempt at researching my Scottish ancestry, and I have already gotten a response that I don't understand...can anyone please excuse my lack of knowledge of Scottish history and explain to me what sort of unfortunate things transpired in the Borders region that would have affected records being kept, etc.? I am desperately searching for any info on Robert Dodds Scott, b. 1803 in Ancrum, Roxburghshire...married Dinah Edwards in Wales...and died as owner of the Crown Inn in Nelson, Wales. Any bells ringing? Eagerly awaiting your response... Lynda in sunny Pennsylvania canes81-41@dellnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Janice Poskitt <janice_poskitt@yahoo.com> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: George Tweedie Anderson > Hello George, > > > My gggrandfather, George Tweedie Anderson > > > There appears to be a connection with Moffat but would it be > practical to take a body that distance for burial? Would that be > unusual? > > > My EWART DICKSON ROBSON/ROBERTSON families continually migrate around > the hill parishes of Moffat DFS, Tweedsmuir, Drumelzior, Glenholm, Lyne > & Meggat PEE & Crawford LKS as well as into SEL & ROX. > > They followed rural occupations - shepherds, ag labs, drovers. > > From memory:- > shepherds were employed on a yearly contract > ag labs - 6mths > day labs - per the day or for the duration of a particular project > > A decade ago not many of the rural parishes featured in the IGI - only > the main market towns. And before the advent of the SCT Church Records > Index I virtually traced my families by occupation. > > Sat down with an OLD school atlas (cost 50c at a garage sale - best > investment I've ever made). On the POLITICAL page it had all the pre > 1974 counties of UK in different colours. Turning to the PHYCISAL page > I took note of all the hilly parishes - figured that shepherds worked > in the hills (sorry, I'm a townie). > > Then proceeded to order in the microfilms for the appropriate parishes > & hey presto! - it worked! > > Now, it's usually fairly simple to check the SCT Church Records Index. > All Presbyterian parishes have been extracted up to the end of 1854. > > Kind regards, Janice, Motueka, New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ >

I would be interested to hear from anyone connected with the following family who lived in Berwickshire and East Lothian. Parents: James BALD (b.circa 1836 - d.1878) & Selby Ord Dodds BROWN (b.1839 - d. 21 Oct 1905) Children: Margaret (16 Feb 1863 - 1915) Adam* (28 Mar 1865 - Sep 1940) & Isabella Bald Adam* (28 Mar 1865 - Sep 1940) & Eleanor Reay, formerly Gascoigne (1873 - Jun 1959) Alexander (30 Jan 1867 - ) John (13 Nov 1868 - ) Helen (19 May 1870 - ) James (2 Apr 1872 - ) Selby Orr Dodds Brown (29 Mar 1874 - Before 1881) Jessie (Circa 1877 - ) Betsy (Circa 1879 - ) Bronwyn (Australia) bjzrna@bigpond.com

I have received two emails from a Robert Allen asking for help designing a web page. I have tried four times to respond to his message and the message is returned to me from the system administrator with a "recipient not recognized" message. I don't know where Robert found me but I am taking a chance that he belongs to one of the lists that I subscribe to. If you get this, the email address that is on your message doesn't work. Monica MonicaWorks Web Design www.gulfislands.com/monicaworks/ hogg@gulfislands.com

Hi All I need some advice from someone with more experience. My gggrandfather, George Tweedie Anderson, on his marriage certificate in 1865 (in Australia) gives his parents as Walter Anderson and Euphemia King. He gives his birthplace as Cramilt (a farm in Megget) in Peeblesshire and age as 27. I can find IGI births for older and a younger sibling but not George. In the 1841 census when he would be about 3 he is not home but older and his younger sibling are home. In the 1851 census 2 older brothers are home but George is missing as is his younger sister. I have not checked Scots Origins for his birth. Might it show up there? Any ideas what I do now? I have considered adoption but if he was adopted after 1851 he would surely know who his parents where. Any suggestions? I have also been unable to locate his death place which I assume was Australia. I have a copy of Peebles MIs and none of the family seem to be shown and I assume the family could afford headstones. There appears to be a connection with Moffat but would it be practical to take a body that distance for burial? Would that be unusual? I often consider collecting coins would be easier but once the bug bites ==. Thanks George in Western Australia

I am researching my great great grandparents Simon and Charlotte Sinclair who were born in Glendevon and married at Walkerburn in1867. They had two girls before coming to New Zealand in 1878 to work in the Mosgiel Woollen Mills. Is there anyone else also researching the same family or anyone who has any connection who may be able to help.I am specially interested as many of the boys of following generations including my fathers three brothers, suffered from haemophilaia and as it is passed through the female of the line I wondered if there was mention of it occuring in their generation also. Jenny

Thans a lot Ian -----Original Message----- From: Ian Graham <iangraham@cableinet.co.uk> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 27 April 2000 22:51 Subject: Re: Bus Times >These times are taken from the Borders Railink Service in the Railtrack >timetable >valid until 27th May.Mondays to Saturdays >Edinburgh Bus Station Dep 2005 Galashiels arr 2120 > " Dep 2100 Peebles arr 2153 > " Dep 2105 Galashiels arr 2220 > Selkirk arr 2235 > Hawick arr 2255 >To confirm details contact First Edinburgh on 0131 663 9233 > >Regards Ian Graham > >John Shearer wrote: > >> Good Evening Borders Listers >> >> I am meeting my son in Edinburgh about 7.00pm to 7.30pm. Is it possible to >> catch a bus to Peebles, Hawick, Selkirk or Galashiels at 8.00pm? >> >> Alternatively, could you give me the telephone number of the Edinburgh- >> Borders bus company. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> John Shearer >> >> - > >

Janice Poskitt wrote: > > almost 19,000 registrations submitted > > go to :- http://web.ukonline.co.uk/graham.pitt/bdm/ > > remember to quote the exact details as submitted - name, date, place > > Regards, Janice, Motueka, New Zealand > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ Hello felow listers, Could some-one please tell me what these registrations are for.I seem to have missed the first one with info. content.Thanks. Charmaine,in a dull overcast Auckland,New Zealand.