Hi Janice, When you were looking for your shepherds, did any of them wander into Wales for a period of time?! The reason I ask is that we are looking really hard at a family of Scots who seem to have landed there. The father is a shepherd and one of the children is the right name and age for my husband's gfather who died in Carlisle in 1914 at the age of 42 and who was also a shepherd. We're really early in our search so we could be on the wrong track. We need to check to see where they were in 1891. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Ann *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Ann Neilson Beattie & David Beattie, Cochrane Alberta Canada researching BEATTIE/BYERS borders area of England/Scotland; also Ireland & Canada *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Dwelling: Cleiriach Census Place: Llansannan, Denbigh, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342329 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5533 Folio 86 Page 12 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John BEATTIE M 49 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Shepherd Agnes H. BEATTIE M 40 F Scotland Rel: Wife James BEATTIE U 12 M Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar David BEATTIE 10 M Scotland [we think this might be our gfather] Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Robert BEATTIE 8 M Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Agnes BEATTIE 6 F Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William BEATTIE 4 M Scotland Rel: Son Margaret J. BEATTIE 2 F Llansannan, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Daur Jennet G. BEATTIE 2 w F Llansannan, Denbigh, Wales Rel: Daur -----Original Message----- From: Janice Poskitt [mailto:janice_poskitt@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 4:33 PM To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Tracking shepherds Hello George, > My gggrandfather, George Tweedie Anderson > There appears to be a connection with Moffat but would it be practical to take a body that distance for burial? Would that be unusual? My EWART DICKSON ROBSON/ROBERTSON families continually migrate around the hill parishes of Moffat DFS, Tweedsmuir, Drumelzior, Glenholm, Lyne & Meggat PEE & Crawford LKS as well as into SEL & ROX. They followed rural occupations - shepherds, ag labs, drovers. >From memory:- shepherds were employed on a yearly contract ag labs - 6mths day labs - per the day or for the duration of a particular project A decade ago not many of the rural parishes featured in the IGI - only the main market towns. And before the advent of the SCT Church Records Index I virtually traced my families by occupation. Sat down with an OLD school atlas (cost 50c at a garage sale - best investment I've ever made). On the POLITICAL page it had all the pre 1974 counties of UK in different colours. Turning to the PHYCISAL page I took note of all the hilly parishes - figured that shepherds worked in the hills (sorry, I'm a townie). Then proceeded to order in the microfilms for the appropriate parishes & hey presto! - it worked! Now, it's usually fairly simple to check the SCT Church Records Index. All Presbyterian parishes have been extracted up to the end of 1854. Kind regards, Janice, Motueka, New Zealand __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Hello everyone, in September last year I started to build a free web site dedicated to identifying military photographs, this was an attempt to repay some of the generous help that I have received from Genealogists generally and Rootsweb listers in particular. This site was initially to be for the Counties of Leicestershire and Rutland, but (due to requests) is now open to anyone with a military interest in Great Britain and its war time allies. Many of us are lucky enough to own treasured photographs of groups or single portraits of military personnel of the W.W.1 and W.W2 era and with luck, earlier "gems" of this sort. How many times have you and your family looked at these wonderful old photographs and wondered who your ancestors comrades were ? What Regiment etc. did they belong to? When and where the photograph was taken ? 'Military Images' is set up to offer "on line" pages to display these photographs in the hope that other site visitors can help with identification etc. Perhaps you have in your possession photographs that you can scan that are a partial or complete mystery ? Perhaps (like me) you can identify your own relative/s within the group but none of his/her comrades? Perhaps some of these "unknown servicemen" are lost relatives or people that may have passed on information about your ancestors military career to their families. The web site now contains this type of material and other information and links etc. As of today (4th. of May 2000), the site holds photo/scans of some 2,518 UNIDENTIFIED INDIVIDUALS, plus many more that only the barest facts are known. There is also, a list of 812 transcribed names from War Memorials etc. (many of the memorials have been photographed and these scans are "on site"). Please do bear in mind that in WW1 in particular, where a soldier was living at the time of his volunteering or conscription often had no bearing on which Regiment or unit etc. he was posted to.(or if he was killed where he was buried) So a soldier who perhaps volunteered or was conscripted in Lincolnshire could be posted to a Staffordshire Regiment. I hope that you will take the time to have a look at the web site, who knows? you may find "one of your own" there. I hope also that some of you will consider sending in photographs that you would like to receive help with. Good luck and good hunting ! From Roger Capewell, in Derbyshire, England. rojanne@capefam.freeserve.co.uk 'Military Images' Web Site at :- http://www.capefam.freeserve.co.uk/militaryimages.htm Researching CAPEWELL/CAPWELL anywhere, any time.

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Would anyone know the maiden name of Sir Thomas Brisbane's wife. Her christian name was Ann/Anna. She was instrumental in James Dodds coming to Australia in 1822 - I am wondering if they were related? Any help appreciated. Regards Pip beronga@one.net.au

First posting to this list, so here goes! My interests are DODDS and KEEN. William Dodds was a farmer from Kelso. He married Ellen ?. Three children who came to Australia were: James in 1822, Alexander in 1834, and Margaret ?1834. The KEENS are tied in with the DODDS somehow.!! Anyone researching these families-I would love to hear from you. Regards Pip beronga@one.net.au

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Thank you all for your info on these places. Looks like Sington is Singdean. Sorry that I didn't get back to everyone indiviually. Got one more - anyone hear of a St Helens in Scotland? I can only find it (actually 3) in England. thanks, Peggy

Dear Listers, This is a reposting as somehow my first one didn't make it. I am looking for information on my great grandparents Simon and Charlotte Sinclair(nee Watson)who were both born in Glendevon ,Perthshire,Simon in 1839 and Charlotte 1847. They married at Walkerburn in 1867 and came to New Zealand in 1878 to work in the Mosgiel Woollen Mills. I am especially interested as there is a family history of Haemophilia which is carried to the males through the females of the line.There must be evidence of family remaining in Scotland who also suffered from this complaint. Any ides plearse. Regards Jenny

Ann, Actually, one of the women who has SPINK as a middle name is the wife of one of the Davids, rather than the daughter. SPINK may have been her maiden name, or she may have been Barbara Spink SOMETHING. The young girl's middle name may have come from the older woman's name, or she may have been named for a grandmother, or for someone else. The address may have been a large tenement building, with multiple families, so proximity doesn't necessarily mean there is a relationship. Quick additional guesses (if you mis-typed somewhere and the two women with SPINK as a middle name were both daughters): -- The two Davids may have been cousins, and one of their grandmothers may have been named [Something] SPINK. -- The two Davids have some relationship (cousin or more distant), and the SPINK is for a prominent non-family member (minister of the local church is a possibility). There may be no connection between the two families (as a few names tend to get re-used over and over) but the two Davids may well have been cousins. If possible, you might want to search the IGI on-line and see if you can find possible birth records for the two Davids and for their wives. For those who may have been born 1854 & before, you may also want to check the OPR index, available at your local Family History Center. Once you have done that, order the marriage certificates for the couple you are interested in...that should also have lots of information. Hope this helps, BJ Ann Beattie wrote: > I've looked and looked at these two families who are > shown at the same address. The two Davids can't be father/son. There's the > middle name "SPINK" in both households' daughter names. Would SKS give me > their thoughts on what's going on here as far as relationships and linkages > between the two families? I'm too new at this to figure it out. > > Dwelling: 1 South Street > Census Place: Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland > Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 11 Page 1 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > David BEATTIE M 25 M St. Vigeans ((Auchmithie)), Forfar, Scotland > Barbara Spink BEATTIE M 27 F St. Vigeans ((Auchmithie)), Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Wife > > David BEATTIE M 36 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland > Helen Matthewson BEATTIE M 30 F Forfar, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Wife > Elizabeth Spink BEATTIE 6 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland > Rel: Daughter >

Can't find Rye, Scotland. A librarian found it for me about six months ago and now she is no longer there. It was in middle maybe below Edinburg and just above Borders. It is not modern, was mentioned in 1738 in ancestors interview. I have exhausted myself and everyone else in this search. Regards, Jeff Francis Commisioner Clan Scott of Arkansas

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Below is data from the 1881 census provided to us by a kind person to help us with our research. I've looked and looked at these two families who are shown at the same address. The two Davids can't be father/son. There's the middle name "SPINK" in both households' daughter names. Would SKS give me their thoughts on what's going on here as far as relationships and linkages between the two families? I'm too new at this to figure it out. Thanks very much, Ann *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Ann Neilson Beattie & David Beattie, Cochrane Alberta Canada researching BEATTIE/BYERS borders area of England/Scotland; also Ireland & Canada *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Dwelling: 1 South Street Census Place: Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203474 GRO Ref Volume 272 EnumDist 11 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace David BEATTIE M 25 M St. Vigeans ((Auchmithie)), Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Barbara Spink BEATTIE M 27 F St. Vigeans ((Auchmithie)), Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife Maggie BEATTIE 1 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daughter Annie PERT U 13 F Craig ((Ferryden)), Forfar, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Domestic General Servant Baits Lines Fisherman David BEATTIE M 36 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Fisherman Helen Matthewson BEATTIE M 30 F Forfar, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Wife David BEATTIE 10 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland [we think this one might be our gfather] Rel: Son Occ: Scholar James BEATTIE 8 M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son Elizabeth Spink BEATTIE 6 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Daughter Thomas BEATTIE 1 m M Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Son

Hello everyone We're going away for a break and will be unsubscribing for about ten days thanks to all who have helped in the past. Back soon. All the best Frances and Barry

Balnagowan, the ancient (present?) home of the Ross family who intermarried with the Lockharts. Does anyone know where this might be. Or, failing that, could someone please direct me to a site where I could trace place names of Scotland. Thank you Bill Copeland

I am searching for WILLIAM REID who according to the British census 1891 was born in Oxton Scotland in 1849 and his wife ELIZABETH BLACK born in "New Farm" , which I assume to be near Oxton in 1850. I have already searched the OPR for the parish of Channelkirk and have found no trace of them. Any advice on how to proceed further will be greatly appreciated Bill Lisle Nelson New Zealand

Hi For those who are looking for DALGLEISHs, I found these on a shipping Emigrant list. Sailed from Glascow 31 Dec 1874 on the "Timaru" DALGLEISH John, stocking maker Roxburgh, Mrs Janet, Jessie, Jane, Mary, Annie, Jemima, Adam. Hope this helps someone, Trish

As a new subscriber, here are my Border surname interests: Heslop, Ancrum and Jedburgh Dick, Ancrum and Jedburgh John Mickle, Stonshiel, Ayton 1850s I'd like to share information with anyone looking at these familes. Thanks, Christopher Dr Christopher Riley Manager, Information Services Elizabeth College 256 Elizabeth Street HOBART Tasmania 7000 Australia Tel: (03) 6235 6524 Fax: (03) 6231 3046 www.eliz.tased.edu.au

Hello Everyone I am resending this message as I was using the wrong email address for the Border List ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob and Mona Peperkorn To: MIDLOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com ; DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-L@rootsweb.com ; CUMBERLAND-L@rootsweb.com ; Border-L-request@rootweb.com Sent: April 9, 2000 9:53 PM Subject: Carson/Beck/Harkness/McMaster/Jackson (LENGTHY) Hello Everyone I have spent most of today, putting together an email for another Lister and thought perhaps I should share with everyone as there maybe some information that someone could use. I must forward you it is quite lengthy. Regards Mona William Harkness m. Janet Walker on July 5, 1796 in Closeburn, Dumfries children Thomas Harkness b. April 26, 1797 -closeburn Alexander Harkness b.October 28, 1799- closeburn William Harkness b. August 20, 1801- closeburn John Harkness b. November 5, 1803 - closeburn Mary Harkness b. April 8,1806 b.closeburn Robert Harkness b. April 1, 1811 - Laught Morton, Dumfries Robert Harkness m. Janet Jardine December 17,1833, Annan, Dumfries Children all born in Annan William b. April 17, 1836 David b. December 13,1837 Elizabeth b. August 12, 1839 Thomas b. August 20, 1841 Agnes b. June 19, 1843 Robert b. March 9, 1845 Margaret b. February 15, 1847 Andrew b. February 27, 1849 Jane b. August 16, 1851 Robert b. November 23,1855 David Harkness b.1837 m Jessie Carson b. March 5, 1844 - date of Marriage June 8, 1869 in Tradeston,Glasgow, Lanark. In the 1881 census David's occupation was given as Corn Miller children of David Harknes and Jessie Carson Georgina Beck b. Mar. 3,1870 in Annan, Dumfries Mary Agnes b. Mar. 18, 1872 in Bowness, Cumberland Alexander Beck b. Apr. 1, 1874, Bowness, Cumberland John A b. Sep.11, 1875, Dalston,Cumberland Isabel Carson b. Feb 20, 1878, Dalston, Cumberland George Beck b. Jul 7, 1880 Dalston, Cumberland Esther b. Nov 4,1882, Cockermouth,Cumb David b. Jan 20, 1886, Cockermouth,Cumb. Carson Information Robert Carson b. approx. 1810 in Penpoint, Dumfries d. January 16,1894 in Maxweltown,Dumfries age 87 married Esther Beck b. approx. 1813 in Morton, Dumfries, d. July 1892 in Maxwelton, Dumfries - age 79 Children of Robert Carson and Esther Beck Margaret b. Aug 7, 1842 in Closeburn, Dumfries d. 1855 in Holywood, Dumfries - age 13 Jessie b. Mar 5,1844, Holywood lived at 21 Howgate Street, Maxwelton d. May 29, 1904 - Cockermouth married David Harkness Mary b. March 12, 1851 lived at 21 Howgate Street, Maxwelton d. Jan 29, 1874 @ 15 King Street, Maxweltown, Dumfries - age 23 Agnes b. March 5,1852, Terregles, Kirkcudbright, Sct Agnes according to the 1881 census was an Ironer in Dye Works, in 1891 Finisher in Dye Works and lived at 21 Howgate Street, Maxweltown Isabella b. July 30, 1856, Holywood, d. April 12, 1876 in Maxwelton, Dumfries - age 19 My connection David McMaster b 1883 ? d. Mar 13,1953 in Cockermouth married Esther Harkness b. Nov 4, 1882 in Cockermouth d. August 28, 1914 - date of marriage June 11, 1907 Children of David and Esther Jessie b. June 26, 1908 in Cockermouth d. June 4, 1971 in Toronto, Ontario Canada Jessie m. Albert Eric Jackson, Sr. born Feb 22, 1903 in Cockermouth and d. Dec 6, 1980 in Toronto, Ontario Canada - date of marriage October 12, 1927 Norman Tolson b. Oct 1, 1910 d. Oct 5,1942 over Belgium in W.W.II - married Kathleen Doran September 27, 1938 Isobel Carson b. Jan 28, 1913 d. 1983 in Kirkby Stephen's Cumberland Esther b. July 15, 1914 d. March 1976 - m. Ernest Short b. Aug 1905 d. July 5,1983 - they married Sept. 21, 1940 in Cockermouth and had no children.

THanks to everyone who replied to my recent queries about Romanno Tower and Writers to the Signet? With your help I've managed to find a starting place in my search for Romanno Tower - Peebles. Also now that I know that a lot of my ancesters were lawyers, my next question is.... Who spent all the money before it got down the line to me ??!!! BOO HOO. :-) Regards Meg (Sydney)

Hello Listers, I don't seem to get many connections on these rootswebs. But maybe somebody out there who has time and references will be able to find photographs of their predecessors on the following URL. For those interested in fashions and style of the late 1800's there is something for you too. ENJOY. http://www.rogerco.freeserve.co.uk/ Best Wishes, From, Michael.