Thanks to all for the info on Fairnilee Farm. Regards, David

Can anyone explain 'tack of teinds' when used in reference to ownership of land? Also, the words 'heritors' and 'feuars' when used in connection with land ownsership as well. I am trying to find a simple and clear way to explain same. Thanks in advance. David dbromfield@ucsd.edu

Thanks Gary for the additional historical information on Fairnilee. Just one point though, the river Ettrick joins the Tweed 2 miles downstream from Fairnilee Farm House... and yes, the fishing is pricey! Jim Arnott .... just a short ferry ride away from Seattle in Victoria, BC! Gary Harding wrote: > > Hi David, > > Fairnilee Farm is indeed at Yair Bridge where the B7060 and the A707 meet > on the River Tweed. Fairnilee is one of the ancient homes of the Rutherford > clan. Traquair House just up stream also traces its roots to the > Rutherfords and Stewarts. Fairnilee is also the sight of a ruined tower. > Its location today as a road intersect and a ford [today a bridge] has made > it a sight of intense activity during the perpetual battles with their > "southern neighbors". > > If you pass through Peebles down to the Tweed to Innerleithen and > Walkerburn you'll see how the hills of the Yair Hill Forest narrow the > valley from Holylee to Ashiestiel, Yair and Fairnilee. You'll also pass > Traquair House and Abbottsford House. Fairnilee is where the River Tweed is > joined by its tributary, the Ettrick. This is a famous and very pricy fishy > area. Simply beautiful! > > By the way, Andrew Lang, famous Scottish author, wrote a book for children > called something like [?] "The Fairies of Fairnilee"?? > > http://www.propertyfinder.co.uk/fishing/fairnilee.html > > http://www.propertyfinder.co.uk/fishing/map.html > > Gary Rutherford Harding > Seattle, WA

Hi David, Fairnilee Farm is indeed at Yair Bridge where the B7060 and the A707 meet on the River Tweed. Fairnilee is one of the ancient homes of the Rutherford clan. Traquair House just up stream also traces its roots to the Rutherfords and Stewarts. Fairnilee is also the sight of a ruined tower. Its location today as a road intersect and a ford [today a bridge] has made it a sight of intense activity during the perpetual battles with their "southern neighbors". If you pass through Peebles down to the Tweed to Innerleithen and Walkerburn you'll see how the hills of the Yair Hill Forest narrow the valley from Holylee to Ashiestiel, Yair and Fairnilee. You'll also pass Traquair House and Abbottsford House. Fairnilee is where the River Tweed is joined by its tributary, the Ettrick. This is a famous and very pricy fishy area. Simply beautiful! By the way, Andrew Lang, famous Scottish author, wrote a book for children called something like [?] "The Fairies of Fairnilee"?? http://www.propertyfinder.co.uk/fishing/fairnilee.html http://www.propertyfinder.co.uk/fishing/map.html Gary Rutherford Harding Seattle, WA

Does anyone have any information on the Haitlie family circa 1568-1684 who owned land in 'Banghousewalls' county of Berwick circa 1687: namely 'Andrew Haitlie and his daughter 'Ann Haitlie'. They resided in Edinburgh. There was a "feud" between the 'Haitlie' and the 'Brounfield' family of Berwick for this entire period, probably over ownership of land in the county of Berwick. My question: Does anyone know anything of the 'political persuasions' of the 'Haitlie' family during this period? Were they supportive of the English or the Scottish monarchy? And were they Protestant or Catholic? Any views on the family would be greatly appreciated. David Bromfield San Diego, California dbromfield@ucsd.edu

Hello David: The name 'rang a bell' and I looked up my OS Landranger #73 map of the area and found Fairnilee Farm at what we always called the "Yair Bridge" -- where the B7060 and the A707 from Selkirk meet at the bridge crossing the River Tweed. We have passed by this farm for over 40 years and, as far as I know both farm and house are still there! -- they were on a visit to Scotland last year. It is near Galashiels, but I do not think that this would be the postal address for Fairnilee. Enjoy your visit. Jim Arnott Victoria, BC , Canada DB wrote: > > Hi all, I'm looking for any info on a farm house in Galashiels. In 1918 > John and Ida Muir lived there. I'm planning a trip to Scotland next > Summer and would like to visit the place if it still exists. > > David

Hello all, Can anyone tell me how many graveyrads in Peeebls there are dating from the 1880. While on vacation I will want to check out some MI. David

Hi all, I'm looking for any info on a farm house in Galashiels. In 1918 John and Ida Muir lived there. I'm planning a trip to Scotland next Summer and would like to visit the place if it still exists. David

Friday was the Common Riding in Selkirk. This is a tradition that has happened for almost 500 years. This year they not only have photos but 4 small movies of it as well on the Selkirk website. My favourite is the Casting of the Colours. http://www.selkirk.bordernet.co.uk/commonriding/2000/video.html Monica MonicaWorks Web Design www.gulfislands.com/monicaworks/ hogg@gulfislands.com

Hi. I am looking for ancestors through the 19th.and 20th.cent.in Berwick and earlier in the Burntisland,Fife area. Barbara MITCHELL was from Leitholm nr.Coldstream, Berwickshire circa 1815. Her parents might have been Alex.MITCHELL and Agnes SWAN. James SLIMIN or SLIMING circa 1815 of Burntisland, son of Henderson SLIMING or SLIMMING. Barbara and James married and lived in Berwick until the late 19th.century. Sincerely,Ron Stallard,Canada

Ever wonder whether there is an FHC for your SKS to visit nearby? I found a site which may be useful for that purpose and save time in the process by having you zero your requests down to persons living in that same community rather than using the shotgun approach. http://www.familysearch.org/sg/British_Isles_FHC.html Al Dempster -- Visit us at The House of Dempster, [www.myfamily.com]. FORTITER ET STRENUE "God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change... Courage to change the things I can and... Wisdom to know the difference." The Book of Islam tells us: first with the example, then with the word and then with the hand...LEAD BY EXAMPLE, BY THE WORD AND THEN BY YOUR DEEDS! Be a goat, not a sheep.

I have no idea as to how useful this site would be, but on first look it appears that it may serve the needs of many. http://people.enternet.com.au/~tmj/c81-adrs.htm "Finding an address in the transcription of the 1881 census of England and Wales" Al Dempster -- Visit us at The House of Dempster, [www.myfamily.com]. FORTITER ET STRENUE "God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change... Courage to change the things I can and... Wisdom to know the difference." The Book of Islam tells us: first with the example, then with the word and then with the hand...LEAD BY EXAMPLE, BY THE WORD AND THEN BY YOUR DEEDS! Be a goat, not a sheep.

Re Michael Lonsdale's query I don't know about fires at Peebles, but I believe Yarrow parish records were destroyed by fire about 1760 Margaret

Alexander Campbell, 5 High St., Hawick married Margaret Wightman Ewart in Langholm 27 December 1892. I am hoping someone on the list might have a link to either and would welcome any information Brenda Morrison, Langholm

Please ALL listers, take the advice of Aletha re' this Worm/Virus. I have just been through several weeks of aggravation and frustration. What Althea didn't say was that this worm comes through on regular email......an attachment that you open is NOT the culprit. It also has what is called a Trigger Date..........the first day of any month at 5 PM. In other words, it can land in your computer via an ordinary message at any time and you won't know it until the first of the month rolls around and you turn on your computer. In my case, I "got it" on May 26, didn't know it, turned on my computer on the evening of the first and the Devil had "hatched". There was a message in a Windows Box on my opening screen that said: Kagou-Anti-Kro$oft says not today! DO NOT CLICK THE OKAY BOX Shut down and call your computer ghuru right away. Please be assured that I did NOT send any messages to the list during the above mentioned dates. Also, this is a totally new and different email server. It (the Kak Worm)totally destroyed my Outlook Express, so while everything was in such a mess, I signed up with Freewwweb, and am now using their mail service. Best Regards to all of you......I hope your systems are safe. Nancy Plymouth, CT ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com

> > Eva was born outside Annan, August 08, 1906, so her daughter has told > me. The family must have moved there in the time from that date forward. > So a census of 1901 and 1911 may have a record of them. I am at a loss > to know where else to look. The LDS's CD's end in 1888. They would be > great for the line back from there...but I am on the cusp of movement in > any direction. The 1901 census will not be available for another year or so. Since you have an accurate name and birth date for her, it should be possible to get her birth certificate from New Register House in Edinburgh - they do take credit cards. Her birth certificate will give you her parent's names and occupations, and I can't remember what year they stopped doing it) their wedding date. I assume that since you don't mention the names of the parents, they are unknown? Have a look at the scottish area of Genuki on http://www.genuki.org.uk/ It'll give you full addresses, and there's also a good survey of what other sorts of information is available. Lesley Robertson PS Make sure that when looking for Genuki, you use the URL as given here. According to messages on soc.genealogy.britain, a commercial company is trying to hijack the name for their own site. ******************************************************************** Dr Lesley A. Robertson CBiol FIBiol Kluyver Laboratory for Biotechnology, Delft University of Technology, Julianalaan 67, 2628BC, Delft,The Netherlands tel 31 15 2782421; fax 31 15 2782355; email L.A.Robertson@stm.tudelft.nl.

Please forward this message to as many people as possible. Do this whether you have the virus or not. Click on Start then Find then Files & Folders, do a find on kak on the C: drive. If there are any files with kak as part of the name they will be listed. Look for kak.html and kak.hta and simply highlight them and press delete. For the registery click on Start, then Run, type regedit press enter. Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and click on the + open the folder Go to SOFTWARE and click on the + Go to MICROSOFT and click on the + Go to WINDOWS and click on the + Go to CURRENTVERSION and click on the + Go to RUN, look on the righthand side of the screen for cAgOu If it's there, highlight it and press delete. You have to then find autoexec.bat. Delete autoexec.bat and rename ae.kak as autoexec.bat (only do this if there is an icon called ae.kak- usually next to it) To reset your signature file, in Outlook Express go into the TOOLS then Options then Signatures. Check for a signature file called kak, if there is one delete it. You should carry this out on your computer whether you know that you have the virus or not. This virus gets into your computer via a hole in Outlook express, in order to stop this from happening you should log onto www.microsoft.com/ie/ and update your outlook express and internet explorer. I hope that everyone takes the time to do this because I was e-mailed the virus without knowing and my virus checker did not detect it. Thanks, Alethea.

I'm seeking connections with a line of Ruthvens, Gypsies from the Borders. The information I've gleaned is as follows :- WILLIAM RUTHVEN (Tinclair) m. Agnes Tait Their son - ROBERT RUTHVEN (Horner) bap.Blainslie 1752, d.Selkirk 1818, m.Selkirk 1775 Rachel Baillie (c.1753 - 1832) Their son - WILLIAM RUTHVEN (Spoonmaker) b.Faldshope, Selkirk 1775, d.Town Yetholm 1857, m.Yetholm 1815 Ann Tait (b.1785) Their daughter - ELIZABETH RUTHVEN (Hawker) b.Coldstream 1818, d.Dalkeith 1897, m.Coldstream 1838 John Kennedy (1808 - 1882). Looking forward to hearing from you, Donald A. Robertson, Kyleakin, Isle of Skye

Dear SKS's: I am desperate for "on the ground" trench warfare-help in Annan. I need to confirm one generation so I can get on with my work. If you are available to do some sort of a look up I will give you my first born child...6'2", 250 lb, eats like a horse and is a lay-about! The Steel[e]s came from somewhere and settled in Annan. They had five children, Eva Gertrude, Rosa, Elsie, Cyril and Muriel. Rosa and Cyril stayed in Annan and the rest came to Canada. The parents died in Annan. Rosa married a John Dixon and Cyril married Mary ?. There are children. Without someone on the ground in Annan, I am stumped, as I have tried the usual on and off line sources, with no success. And it is in a time period when records are not openly available. Eva was born outside Annan, August 08, 1906, so her daughter has told me. The family must have moved there in the time from that date forward. So a census of 1901 and 1911 may have a record of them. I am at a loss to know where else to look. The LDS's CD's end in 1888. They would be great for the line back from there...but I am on the cusp of movement in any direction. Take pity on a poor sot! Al Dempster -- Visit us at The House of Dempster, [www.myfamily.com]. FORTITER ET STRENUE "God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change... Courage to change the things I can and... Wisdom to know the difference." The Book of Islam tells us: first with the example, then with the word and then with the hand...LEAD BY EXAMPLE, BY THE WORD AND THEN BY YOUR DEEDS! Be a goat, not a sheep.

Hello to all on the list I'm hoping that somebody may be able to help track down my Gt Grandmother. I have given some details that I have and at the end there are a couple of questions. I've posted some of the information some months back so thought I would post again as there are always new members. HELEN ELIZABETH WILSON I have been trying to find the above person for some time without much success. She is my Gt. Grandmother and the only member of the family that I have been unable to trace Helen Elizabeth Wilson was married at Holy Trinity Church, Kilburn, London on February 19th 1899 to Thomas Barlow Lonsdale. Her marriage certificate says that she was a 27 year-old spinster, the daughter of John Wilson fisherman (deceased). The address of both was 101 Priory Park Road, Kilburn. Aged 27 in 1899 puts her birth at 1872. Helen died in a nursing home in Surrey on 27/12/1955, Reverend Mother who was then a novice remembers her well but can't recall there being any mention of any brothers or sisters. Her grandchildren now in their 70s and 80s do not know her birth date or the year she was born, although her death certificate says she was 78. This would have put her birth around 1877 and would have made her 22 when she married, 11 years younger than her husband. They had one son Thomas Alfred Lonsdale born 1900 who died in 1925 and a daughter Edith Helen who married a BROMLEY then in the early 1950's married a WILSHER. What her grandchildren do remember is the secrecy that surrounded grandma, she never talked of her past, and nobody knew anything. At least that is what they tell me. The only person that she would talk to was my father and he died 4 years ago. As a child, Helen took my father on trips to Peebles in Scotland and Kessingland in Suffolk. These trips took place in the late 1920's and early 1930's. I remember as a child in the mid 1950's being taken to Peebles and going through church records. I also recall being told at that time that what they were looking for had been destroyed by fire. It does seem strange though that around about the time of her death we should go to Peebles to search Church records. Also my father told my daughter that we came from Peebles. I have traced the Lonsdale family back to 1490 in and around Accrington, Lancashire. My paternal grandmother comes from Oxfordshire and I have traced back to 1643. My Maternal grandparents come from Lancashire and Ireland. Prior to Helens wedding I have not been able to trace her birth or any other details about her. There are many Helen Wilson's but there only seems to be one that I have found who has a father named John who was a fisherman. This family came from Coldingham, Berwick. I don't know if this is the right family or not. But if she had been born in Berwick why did we go to Peebles It could be that she wasn't born a Wilson, she may have been illegitimate and took on the name of a family that adopted her without it being registered. There again she may have been married and wanted to hide the fact so thought up the name and details. So can anybody answer any of the following questions? If she was a Wilson and her father was a fisherman could he have been the Ghillie on the Tweed? Does anybody know of a Wilson family from around the Peebles area who had an illegitimate daughter around 1870/80. John Wilson (Fisherman) living in Coldingham in 1881 whose birthplace is shown as Coldingham, could the family originally come from Peebles? If so how would I check it out? Does anybody known of any parish records having been destroyed by fire in or around the Peebles area? If so can you put a time frame on the incident? Can anybody suggest any other roads that I could go down other than wait for the 1901 census. If anybody can shed a little light on Helen and her family I would love to hear from you. Many thanks for your time Michael A Lonsdale CLACTON-ON-SEA, Essex, Searching BARLOW in the Blackburn/Clitheroe area's pre 1815 CALLERAN in the Southport area1898, may have been born in Staffordshire EVENDEN Ruth in the Brighton/Steyning area born about 1835 HARTWELL in the Oxfordshire and Northamptonshire area's pre 1700 MARSHALL in the Southport/North Meols area pre 1900 LONSDALE, any time any place TETLEY in the Bradford area about 1880 TURNER in the Southport/North Meols 1880 TURNER in the Cockermouth area's pre 1900 ROBINSON in the Burnley area about 1910 SOURBUTTS in the North Meols area pre 1900 SUMNER in the North Meols area pre 1900 WARREN in the Oswaldtwistle area about 1770 WHITTINGTHAM in the Stalybridge area pre 1900 WILSON, Helen Elizabeth born about 1872/78 Location unknown. Father a fisherman named John