My brick wall Thomas TROTTER married Jane GRAHAM probably around 1814. Jane died 1867 Kelso. Children were Douglas Mary,George, Thomas, Alexander. Thankyou Ann

Its a long time since I posted this brick wall Alexander SANDILANDS married Jane MARCHBANK.They had daughter Betty who married David BROCKIE 1826 in Stow. Thanks Ann

I think you have it backwards. From a marriage certificate you should get the ages, addresses and occupations of the bride and groom, the names of both their parents (including mother's maiden name) and fathers' occupations, the date and place of marriage, and the names of the witnesses. The films at the FHC are the same as the extracts from Scots Origins. The LDS have films for marriages in each of the years from 1855 to 1875, then for the years 1881 and 1891. If you found their marriage on the IGI, it probably means that the LDS have the film. If the marriage is from one of the non-filmed years, you have to order it from Scots Origins. There are several ways to get a copies of each of the marriage extracts, some are thriftier than others. This also works for birth records after 1855. 1. After paying your 6 pound ($13Cdn) search fee, you could order the extract from Scots origins for 10 pounds or $22. Total $35Cdn 2. You could order the films from the FHC (for a list of the appropriate film numbers, see http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/13302-bmdtables.htm). You need to know the parish number to get the film number, but you can get the parish number from Scots Origins. Total $5.50 Cdn each film. 3. Some FHCs have the "General Index to Marriages in Scotland" films on permanent loan. (ie Etobicoke in Ontario). From that you can look up the registration number. Then you can fill out a form 31768 at the centre (see details below) and order a copy of the record from the Salt Lake FHC for 25 cents U.S. The only catch is, you have to send them a minimum of $2 U.S., which is okay for you since you will probably be ordering a few. Total $3.55 Cdn including cost of stamp. 3. Combine the two alternatives by using Scots Origins to search for the registration number of the marriages, then order them from the Salt Lake Family History Centre for $2 U.S. The registration number shows up in the GRO code 3 column. (at least it used to, I haven't used it for a while) This works well if you have a lot of post 1855 records to look for, and you know they will be on separate films. Total= $16 Cdn. Robin Toronto *The Family History Department of the Latter Day Saints will supply photocopies of the registrations at a nominal fee. It takes about 3 weeks to place an order and receive back the copies. The charge is $.25 per page, with a minimum charge of $2.00. Payment is sent with the order and any overpayment is refunded in the form of a credit slip. They request a maximum of 8 film items per order, with a minimum of two weeks between orders. The form to use is called Request for Photocopies and is identified as form 31768. You don't place these orders at the local family history libraries, but rather you send it directly to Salt Lake City and the copies come directly to your home address. If your local family history library doesn't have the forms, or if you are not close to one, the forms can be obtained from: Family History Department 35 N West Temple Street Salt Lake City UT 84150-3400 or you can phone 1-800-453-3860 ext. 3511 to have a copy mailed to you. Fill out the second section on the back of the form titled "General Microfilm/Microfiche". You need to provide them with: -the film number for the original record -the name of the person you are looking for -other info, ie name of spouse/parents, -the complete date of the event -the complete place of the event -the registration number, page number or parish and volume number. I have used this method to order the post-1855 civil records with exact registration numbers, but have yet to try it for OPRs, as I am not sure how much searching they will do. You can also use the form to request a photocopy of the index entry, and once you obtain the registration number you can submit another form to get a copy of the extract. -----Original Message----- From: BPryde@nss.gc.ca [mailto:BPryde@nss.gc.ca] Sent: August 31, 2000 11:44 AM To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Parents Information I've identified a few marriages on the IGI which could be part of one of my Borders family (Alexander PRIDE/Mary PEARSON). In order to prove or disprove each of them, I would like to take a look at any records of the marriages. On reading the information regarding ScotsOrigins, I get the impression that the marriage records found there after 1855 do NOT contain the names of the parents. Is this true? If it is true and I elect to use microfilms from the FHC, is the parents information contained on those films?

Bill, What you will get from the FHC (if what you want is in the right timespan to be in their holdings) & the Origins site is the same thing -- the Family History Library microfilmed the records held in Edinburgh, and they are the same as what you will get a photocopy of, if you order from Origins. Starting in 1855, marriage records *should* have the parents' names. The records were supposed to have this in all instances and spaces were provided on the forms..... but I have seen cases where the information is incomplete for some reason. Of course, it is also possible that the information given was inaccurate (my great-grandfather gave a wrong maiden name for his mother.....). Before 1855, recording such information was much more haphazard. I've had cases where a marriage record identified parents *and grandparents*, and other where the total entry was (date) John Ralston m. Helen Gardner with nothing else........ BPryde@nss.gc.ca wrote: > I've identified a few marriages on the IGI which could be part of one of my > Borders family (Alexander PRIDE/Mary PEARSON). In order to prove or > disprove each of them, I would like to take a look at any records of the > marriages. On reading the information regarding ScotsOrigins, I get the > impression that the marriage records found there after 1855 do NOT contain > the names of the parents. Is this true? > > If it is true and I elect to use microfilms from the FHC, is the parents > information contained on those films?

I've identified a few marriages on the IGI which could be part of one of my Borders family (Alexander PRIDE/Mary PEARSON). In order to prove or disprove each of them, I would like to take a look at any records of the marriages. On reading the information regarding ScotsOrigins, I get the impression that the marriage records found there after 1855 do NOT contain the names of the parents. Is this true? If it is true and I elect to use microfilms from the FHC, is the parents information contained on those films? Bill Pryde Nepean, Ontario, Canada Tel: 613-992-8213 Fax: 613-996-3746 bpryde@nss.gc.ca <mailto:bpryde@nss.gc.ca>

Thanks to all kind souls who responded to my Graham enquiry! I keep every Cumberland County Graham e mails I receive and hopefully someday can help connect all these families especially in Kirklinton Parish. Delia

Seeking information on parents/siblings of WILLIAM FULTON. His death certificate lists his parents as John Fulton and Rachel Watson. John Fulton is said to be a blacksmith (journeyman) and should have been in the Jedburgh area. William died in Hawick, Rox., February 13, 1875, at the age 81 years. He has stated that he was born in JEDBURGH. He joined the 1st Foot Regiment 2 June 1813 and was seriously wounded at the storming of the Bergen op Zoom in Holland, 9 March, 1814. He was a Chelsea out pensioner, discharged 10 August 1814, and was about 21 years of age. In the census of 1841 he is a roadman, at Castleweary, which is a few miles south of Hawick on the A7 road. This occupation is said to have covered 25 years. He is said to have been the first govenor of the Hawick prison, (around 1845) and subsequently forester and gardener at Eildon Hall, living at Greenwells farm near Bowden. In the census of 1851 he is tenant at Martinshouse farm which is also just south of Hawick on the A7. In 1861 he is living in Alton; in 1871, Denholm. He died at 4 O'Connell St., Hawick. William had six children, 3 girls and 3 boys. One daughter (Anne) married in 1845 John Scott and lived at Castleweary . Another (Mary) married in 1847 Walter Riddell and lived in Hawick. Two sons emigrated to Canada 1857/1861 and one moved to England. Any help in would be appreciated James D. Fulton

Hi, i am in search of the early history of my ancestors from around 1740 and before. born In 1742 Adam Oliver , Jedburgh / married Mary Familton in 1774 , born 1776 Adam O m Mary Hall in 1801 born 1803 Adam O m Elizabeth Cumming in 1826. This Adam & his immediate family immigrated to Australia in 1856 where his details are well documented.Prior to this little is known of either his brothers/sisters who remained in Scotland or the several generations of Olivers that preceded him . It is thought they all inherited his christian name back to Adam,Skinner/landowner "donald's corner/Castlewoodfield/Tenant in Chapel /Resident Laidlaw etc etc all this remains a mystery . Perhaps somebody might recognise this family? Regards Peter Hayse Australia.

please discontinue sending to this e-mail address ---------- >From: BORDER-D-request@rootsweb.com >To: BORDER-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: BORDER-D Digest V00 #245 >Date: Tue, Aug 29, 2000, 10:00 PM > >Content-Type: text/plain > >BORDER-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 245 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Oliver/Fair Brickwall [Judith <beale@alphalink.com.au>] > #2 Graham Cumberland [Dorothy Gibbs <dorothy.gibbs@pandb] > #3 DAVIDSON, STRAUGHAN ["RONALD EARLEY" <RON.EARLEY@prodig] > #4 RE: Post your brick walls ["Carol J. Palmer" <cjpalmer@prairi] > #5 Kerr Family [EHeeseler@aol.com] > #6 oliver family ["peter hayse" <hemmingway57@optusn] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from BORDER-D, send a message to > > BORDER-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:21:16 +1000 >From: Judith <beale@alphalink.com.au> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <39AB727C.8D6F2C05@alphalink.com.au> >Subject: Oliver/Fair Brickwall >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi All, > >I have an Andrew Oliver married to a Sarah Fair. They had a daughter >Sarah Oliver christened in Oldhamstocks on 10 May 1826. There are 7 >children prior to Sarah who were all christened in Oldhamstocks on 6 >April 1823 whose father is listed as Andrew Oliver but no mother is >mentioned. The earliest of these children was a Walter Oliver who was >born 30th July 1809 in Oxnam. > >It seems possible that Sarah Fair was not the mother of these earlier >children. I have been unable to find a marriage for Andrew Oliver and >Sarah Fair or a death for Sarah Oliver (nee Fair). She died before the >1851 census as Andrew is listed as a widower. > >I would love to find a record of the marriage or death or the mother of >the earlier Oliver children. > >Can anyone help me? > >Best wishes > >Judith > >______________________________ >X-Message: #2 >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:03:53 +0100 >From: Dorothy Gibbs <dorothy.gibbs@pandbox.demon.co.uk> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Cc: BORDER-D@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <K1z0ONAZi5q5Ewfk@pandbox.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Graham Cumberland > >In message <200008290800.e7T807C11784@lists5.rootsweb.com>, BORDER-D- >request@rootsweb.com writes >>Would love to hear from anyone researching Grahams in Cumberland >>Co., England > >Hi Delia, >I am researching Grahams. My David Graham is to be found in Wigton in >1818. >I am behind with this line of research so would need to get back to it >to discuss it further with you if it is any help? > >Dorothy > >-- >Dorothy Gibbs > >______________________________ >X-Message: #3 >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:43:09 -0400 >From: "RONALD EARLEY" <RON.EARLEY@prodigy.net> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <005401c011ae$4ea21280$0593ffd1@oemcomputer> >Subject: DAVIDSON, STRAUGHAN >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >My great-great grandfather, Ralph Hall Davidson, made >my life much simpler when he put on the 1861 census >for Ulgham, NBL, that he was born at Oxnam, Scotland. > >I suspect that he had a mother who was a HALL named >possibly Margaret or Agnes HALL. Father's name was Thomas >DAVIDSON, sometimes spelled DAVISON. > >Ralph was a shepherd born about 1815. Married Agnes >STRAUGHAN born Carham, NBL in Kiirknewton, NBL, in 1847. >The family moved aroundnorthern NBL, finally settling in the area >of Pegswood, NBL. Ralph died >3 April 1898 and is buried at Bothal. Agnes died in 1900, >also buried at Bothal. > >Betsy Earley > >______________________________ >X-Message: #4 >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 11:45:25 -0600 >From: "Carol J. Palmer" <cjpalmer@prairieweb.com> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <NEBBIKBIHLNICBAOBICICEDCCBAA.cjpalmer@prairieweb.com> >Subject: RE: Post your brick walls >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >My brick wall. > I am searching for information on Alexander Wilson married to Margaret >Fulton. Some of their children were born in Whitsome. They had these >children; Margaret, Marjory, Robert, Elizabeth, Janet, Agnes, William, >James, and Mary. Their son Robert Wilson married a Janet Younger. Any >information on the Younger or Wilson families is appreciated. I would like >to know if there are any living decendants of any of these children still >living in Scotland. >Carol ><mailto:cjpalmer@prairieweb.com> > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gordon and Linda Beckett [mailto:boglelodge@a-znet.com] >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 11:33 AM >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Post your brick walls > > >Hello Listers, > >Following Alethea's message > >Why not post your brick wall names/ areas and see if anyone can >help. > >Start posting > >regards > >Gordon >Listowner > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "alethea watson" <alethea.watson@btinternet.com> >To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:37 AM >Subject: Please post messages. > > >> This list is very quite, where has everyone gone? >> >> I like to read what people's interests are to see if I have any >connections. Can people re-post themas I may have missed some and it would >give us all something to talk about. >> >> Alethea >> > >______________________________ >X-Message: #5 >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:04:12 EDT >From: EHeeseler@aol.com >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <76.294aae6.26dd7f4c@aol.com> >Subject: Kerr Family >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Is anyone out there researching the early Kerr family from the area of >Jedburgh,i.e.the time of the original Ferniehurst Castle (pre- 1543)? >What I have is very sketchy, but does go back a few generations from >that date. A contact would be appreciated. >E.C.Heeseler (Eheeseler@aol.com) > >______________________________ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:33:33 +1000 >From: "peter hayse" <hemmingway57@optusnet.com.au> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000a01c01222$503ae940$c05d8ec6@ibmbnh101g> >Subject: oliver family >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi, >i am in search of the early history of my ancestors from around 1740 and before. >born In 1742 Adam Oliver , Jedburgh / married Mary Familton in 1774 , >born 1776 Adam O m Mary Hall in 1801 >born 1803 Adam O m Elizabeth Cumming in 1826. This Adam & his immediate >family immigrated to Australia in 1856 where his details are well >documented.Prior to this little is known of either his brothers/sisters >who remained in Scotland or the several generations of Olivers that preceded him . >It is thought they all inherited his christian name back to >Adam,Skinner/landowner "donald's corner/Castlewoodfield/Tenant in Chapel >/Resident Laidlaw etc etc all this remains a mystery . >Perhaps somebody might recognise this family? >Regards Peter Hayse Australia. >

Hi All, I have an Andrew Oliver married to a Sarah Fair. They had a daughter Sarah Oliver christened in Oldhamstocks on 10 May 1826. There are 7 children prior to Sarah who were all christened in Oldhamstocks on 6 April 1823 whose father is listed as Andrew Oliver but no mother is mentioned. The earliest of these children was a Walter Oliver who was born 30th July 1809 in Oxnam. It seems possible that Sarah Fair was not the mother of these earlier children. I have been unable to find a marriage for Andrew Oliver and Sarah Fair or a death for Sarah Oliver (nee Fair). She died before the 1851 census as Andrew is listed as a widower. I would love to find a record of the marriage or death or the mother of the earlier Oliver children. Can anyone help me? Best wishes Judith

I am new to this list and thought I would post my interests. I have managed to get back quite a few generations in a relatively short space of time (since June) and hope to keep going. My interest in the Peebles area is as follows: Robert TAIT m Mary TELFER in 1842/43. Children: 1843 Jane 1844 William 1846 Margaret 1849 Robina All children were born Peebles Eddleston. My direct line comes through William who is my ggrandfather and Robert my 2ggrandfather. The family emigrated to Australia sometime after the birth of Robina and all children married in NSW fom 1867. Does anyone have any information on this family. I have been unable so far to find a marriage for Robert and Mary. Any help much appreciated. Roslyn Melbourne Australia

Is anyone out there researching the early Kerr family from the area of Jedburgh,i.e.the time of the original Ferniehurst Castle (pre- 1543)? What I have is very sketchy, but does go back a few generations from that date. A contact would be appreciated. E.C.Heeseler (Eheeseler@aol.com)

In message <200008290800.e7T807C11784@lists5.rootsweb.com>, BORDER-D- request@rootsweb.com writes >Would love to hear from anyone researching Grahams in Cumberland >Co., England Hi Delia, I am researching Grahams. My David Graham is to be found in Wigton in 1818. I am behind with this line of research so would need to get back to it to discuss it further with you if it is any help? Dorothy -- Dorothy Gibbs

My brick wall. I am searching for information on Alexander Wilson married to Margaret Fulton. Some of their children were born in Whitsome. They had these children; Margaret, Marjory, Robert, Elizabeth, Janet, Agnes, William, James, and Mary. Their son Robert Wilson married a Janet Younger. Any information on the Younger or Wilson families is appreciated. I would like to know if there are any living decendants of any of these children still living in Scotland. Carol <mailto:cjpalmer@prairieweb.com> -----Original Message----- From: Gordon and Linda Beckett [mailto:boglelodge@a-znet.com] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 11:33 AM To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Post your brick walls Hello Listers, Following Alethea's message Why not post your brick wall names/ areas and see if anyone can help. Start posting regards Gordon Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: "alethea watson" <alethea.watson@btinternet.com> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:37 AM Subject: Please post messages. > This list is very quite, where has everyone gone? > > I like to read what people's interests are to see if I have any connections. Can people re-post themas I may have missed some and it would give us all something to talk about. > > Alethea >

No response to my query of 13 August. Would love to hear from anybody with any knowledge of REDDEN FARM or of the CASSIE/CASSY and BRYDON families.

My great-great grandfather, Ralph Hall Davidson, made my life much simpler when he put on the 1861 census for Ulgham, NBL, that he was born at Oxnam, Scotland. I suspect that he had a mother who was a HALL named possibly Margaret or Agnes HALL. Father's name was Thomas DAVIDSON, sometimes spelled DAVISON. Ralph was a shepherd born about 1815. Married Agnes STRAUGHAN born Carham, NBL in Kiirknewton, NBL, in 1847. The family moved aroundnorthern NBL, finally settling in the area of Pegswood, NBL. Ralph died 3 April 1898 and is buried at Bothal. Agnes died in 1900, also buried at Bothal. Betsy Earley

Hello all you happy researchers on the Borders list. Or could I say Listners. Yes, this is a pun! For several years I have been trying to find some more information about my maternal gggrandmother Mary Hunter Robertson born Selkirk(1881 census data) 3rd Nov 1826 who, on 9th Dec 1851, at Innerleithen, married Robert Cleghorn. I have searched the IGI and the OPR, for additional information about Mary with no success. Her marriage records gives her parents as Geroge Robertson(deceased) and Isabella Beattie. The marriage record states her age as 22yrs. This is in conflict with census data for 1881/1891. These give 40/50yrs respectively. I can not find the written advice from which I have taken her date of birth given above. One of the marriage witnesses is George Robertson. Because the record states that George, Mary's father is deceased, the witness George could be her brother. What I hope to confirm or find are the dates and places for Mary's birth, the marriage of her parents, their birth records, if Mary has any siblings, and likewise the family of her parents. Is this too much to hope for? I hope not. My family tree includes all male and female lines. As I see it all of them are family. I have Cleghorn family records going back to 1737. Thank you for reading this, and be assured that any no matter how piece of help will be greatly appriciated. Regards to all Greg Blackburn.

I have recently begun researching my father's family with the names of JOHNSTONE & HALL. My Gt Grandfather was John Hall Johnstone, b around 1844 in Dumfries. His parents were William & Mary (nee HALL) JOHNSTONE. John came to New Zealand in the 1860's and died in 1930. Any information at all about him or his family in Scotland would be much appreciated as I have very little so far. Carlma Skinner

Hi All My brickwall is Charles BELOE who married Mary LINTON year unknown,however I have found my GGG Grandfather William Linton Beloe was born in 1813,Kelso,ROX and Maria Beloe born in 1824 Coldstream,BER,whose parents are listed as Charles and Mary.The family has remained mostly in the Coldstream area but also has ties to Sunderland, Newcastle and Durham where I have found GGG Grandfather William Linton BELOE(son) married Eleanor Jane SMITH in 1832,Durham,Louisa BELOE(pos dau) married Henry JOHNS in 1841,Newcastle and Mary BELOE(pos dau) married Benie SMITH in 1841 Sunderland. I will look forward to hear from anyone who has a connection to the Beloe surname Worldwide Kindest Regards Maree Beloe Hyde Pukekohe,South Auckland New Zealand

Hi everyone, Brickwalls I have aplenty, insanity is fast overtaking me. George AITCHISON born c 1800 married Janet CAIRNS born c 1805, her father was Thomas, on marriage 1822 Coldstream bridge, Parish of Greenlaw for Janet and Eccles for George, George died before the 1851 census so cannot check birthplace.Janet claims Edrom on 1851 census, after their marriage they lived in Oldhamstocks . Next brick wall is William PENDREIGH, married Alison DONALDSON Garvald 1822 Alison's parents were Thomas Donaldson and Christina Bell Where oh where did they all come from, and don't say from under the cabbage patch, my kids have already told me that. Anybody with similar names, please put me out of my misery. Ruth Edwards