Thanks Gil I have already found this information which I found very useful to look at copies of death certificates at New Register House at Edinburgh but thanks for sending it anyway. There are also other SMITHs buried at Hownam who also fit into our tree. Best wishes Jane Glass Alnwick -----Original Message----- From: Gil. Hall <gil@gilhall.freeserve.co.uk> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 07 September 2000 23:06 Subject: Re: SMITH >Hello Arline and Jane, > >I do not know if you have this info. from the Roxburgh MI's for Hounam & >Linton. (The question marks are part of the text). > >Erected to the memory of Elizabeth SMITH daughter of George SMITH shepherd >Upper Chatto who died 20.12.1862 aged 19(?) years and of William(?) SMITH >his son who died 1868 aged 23(?) years also of Christian DAVIDSON his wife >who died at Friarslaw 5.5.1886(?) aged 85(?) years and is interred at >Lilliesleaf. James SMITH their son died at Fly Creek Otsigo Co. N. America >7.7.1888 aged 19 years and is interred there and of the above George SMITH >who died at Friarslaw 18.2.1899 aged 90(?) years. > >Regards, > >Gil. Hall. Southampton, England >Researching HALL, NBL / DUR; DENT, DUR; KING, BEW / NBL / DUR; >STEWART, Edinburgh, MLN / DUR; WINTON, Musselburgh, MLN / STS; >BEAUMONT, STS / SAL; HOLDEN (ING), STS; BEES, SOM. ANDERSON, NBL; >DAVISON, NBL.

Hello Arline and Jane, I do not know if you have this info. from the Roxburgh MI's for Hounam & Linton. (The question marks are part of the text). Erected to the memory of Elizabeth SMITH daughter of George SMITH shepherd Upper Chatto who died 20.12.1862 aged 19(?) years and of William(?) SMITH his son who died 1868 aged 23(?) years also of Christian DAVIDSON his wife who died at Friarslaw 5.5.1886(?) aged 85(?) years and is interred at Lilliesleaf. James SMITH their son died at Fly Creek Otsigo Co. N. America 7.7.1888 aged 19 years and is interred there and of the above George SMITH who died at Friarslaw 18.2.1899 aged 90(?) years. Regards, Gil. Hall. Southampton, England Researching HALL, NBL / DUR; DENT, DUR; KING, BEW / NBL / DUR; STEWART, Edinburgh, MLN / DUR; WINTON, Musselburgh, MLN / STS; BEAUMONT, STS / SAL; HOLDEN (ING), STS; BEES, SOM. ANDERSON, NBL; DAVISON, NBL. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Glass <janeGlass@alnwickwp.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 06 September 2000 22:24 Subject: Re: SMITH > Hi Arline > > > >I have Sarah > >(Oliver) Smith who was born 1856 died sometime between 1886 and > probably > >1896. She was the wife of George Smith who was b 1851. There was > also a > >daughter Jessie who would have died between 1886 and 1900. I have > been > >unable to pinpoint Sarah or Jessie on the Scots Origins site, as I > don't know > >when and where they died. > > > George SMITH was born at Upper Chatto, Hownam on 24 September 1851, > the tenth of twelve children to George SMITH and Christian (DAVIDSON). > George married Sarah OLIVER on 24 January 1876 at Morbattle. In 1881 > they were living at Larden Cottage, Minto and in 1891 were at > Horsleyhill, Minto (so Sarah was still alive then) with their seven > children, including 7 year old Jessie. This might help to narrow your > search for their deaths. > Jane Glass > Alnwick, Northumberland > > ______________________________

Hello All Still seeking my elusive William BLACK. It appears that he was born at Wooden or Frogden. I have found a William's christening registered at Jedburgh , Rox. in 1784 ( a date that matches info from death certificate). William married Elizabeth Wilson ( also born Scotland) . Together they raised their family in Northumberland. Question ... Is it likely this is the correct parish given the possible birth places? ... Has anyone come across this family? Parents may be William BLACK and Beathie Gray and there may have been a sister Nellie. Thanks everyone Dorothy in the Canadian Rockies.

In a death notice for my great-parents, it mentioned that they were buried in the churchyard at Coldingham, Berwick. Does anyone know anything about this cemetery? I'm interested in finding out about any inscriptions on any marker that might exist to establish dates of birth/death. Bill Pryde Nepean, Ontario, Canada Tel: 613-992-8213 Fax: 613-996-3746 bpryde@nss.gc.ca <mailto:bpryde@nss.gc.ca>

I spent several hours at my local FHC last night, viewing their Scottish records. I am still relatively new at genealogy research (although I have been reading everything in sight), and I am hoping for some help from individuals with more experience. My g-g-grandfather, JOHN RICHARDSON (b1826), wrote a long and expansive letter to his children citing the circumstances behind his parents immigration to Canada, among other things. In his missive, and in a subsequent reposting of the essentials to the Essex-Kent Atlas, he mentioned the details of his parent's births without giving an actual birthdate and parish name. JOHN RICHARDSON, born about 1798, in "Roxburghshire, Scotland" ISOBEL ANDERSON, born about 1796 Their marriage register entry is in Lilliesleaf Parish on Oct 26,1822. In the entry, it states that John is a member of the Bowden parish and the Isobel is a member of the Lilliesleaf Parish. Of their four children born in Scotland, the eldest was born in Bowden, Roxburgh and the other three in Earlston, Berwick. It is was also mentioned that JOHN (b abt 1798) was a tailor by trade. After looking at several maps, I now have a rudimentary knowledge of some of the villages and towns in the Borders, so I headed off to the FHC. There are easily 50 each JOHN RICHARDSONs and ISOBEL ANDERSONs. Even narrowing down the possibilities (I discounted several JOHNs from Dumfries) left me with close to ten possible Johns within the 1797-1799 span. And Isobel is even worse. Because of the variation of spelling used, I feel I cannot discount a more standard spelling or even another variation, and there are PLENTY of those. Then I tried applying a little logic. JOHN (b abt 1798) had 6 sons (in the following order): JAMES (b 1823), JOHN (b 1826), WILLIAM (b 1831), the family immigrated then HENRY (b 1833-1836), THOMAS (b 1833-1836) and GEORGE (1837). Son JAMES had 2 sons : JOHN (b 1856) and WILLIAM (b 1858). Son JOHN had JOHN (b1849), JAMES (b1852), WILLIAM (abt 1857), GEORGE (b1862), HENRY (b1863), BENJAMIN (b1865). Son WILLIAM had 2 sons: JOHN (b1855) and PETER (b1859) Don't Know anything about son HENRY, THOMAS died in infancy, and WILLIAM died before the age of 30 leaving two daughters. There were also several grand-daughters named Isabel and Isabella. One other note of interest/logic. JOHN (b 1826) left his parents in the Montreal, Quebec vicinity, and with his wife and several young children set off in 1852. I think the Plains of the midwest States were his ultimate destination, but for some unknown reason he sidetracked out of Detroit and back up into Kent Co, Ontario where he stopped on, and I quote " One of the most uninviting spots on that road was the middle of the township of Tilbury East, afterwards known as Valetta, the only attraction being a Scotch settlement and a Presbyterian church on Lot 16 Middle Road. I bought Lot 15." From that point on he became quite an entrepreneur, started all sorts of businesses, and began moving and urging to move, family members, friends, and acquaintances to Tilbury East. John and Isobel and all their children followed and by 1861 the township was heavily populated with Scottish emigrants, the most common being Campbelle, Coutts, Ferguson, McLeod, McLween(sp?), McSween, Robertson, Smith, and Stevenson. None of those names showed up in the parents name search. Hmmmm...seemingly a dead end; back to family names. Knowing that naming the firstborn son after the husband's father was a custom at the time, and relying heavily on the Roxburghshire locality, I think I have the JOHNs narrowed down to three, maybe four, if I include the one from Hawick. I don't have a clue on ISOBEL. There are none in the right time frame (I used 1796 +/- 1 year) that are also in the right area. If I pitch out any of those parameters, it jumps the field back up to at least 25 variations on Isobel. Anybody have any matches, information, advice, leads, ideas, clues, suggestions, hints, stray thoughts????........do I sound desperate yet???? ...LOL. I am planning a trip to the Borders probably next May and could do some onsite research if I knew some basic information. But I'm not certain even that will help, if I can't got wend my way through this tangle. Thank you in advance for any help offered. Meg Landseadel Staton

Dwelling: Harvieston South Lodge Census Place: Borthwick, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223985 GRO Ref Volume 674 EnumDist 3 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John MITCHELL M 34 M Channelkirk, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Agricultural Labourer Ann MITCHELL M 34 F Chirnside, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Agricultural Labourer Wife Mary MITCHELL 12 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John MITCHELL 8 M Glencorse, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Alexr. MITCHELL 6 M Borthwick, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jane MITCHELL 4 F Borthwick, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur James MITCHELL 2 M Borthwick, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Rachel MITCHELL 9 m F Borthwick, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Rachel PRYDE U 28 F Eccles, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Sister By Law Occ: Dairymaid -----Original Message----- From: BPryde@nss.gc.ca [mailto:BPryde@nss.gc.ca] Sent: September 7, 2000 8:30 AM To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1881 Census Request I'm looking for SKS to do a lookup for me on the 1881 British census. I'm looking for the family of John MITCHELL. His wife is Ann (age about 34), children Mary(12), James(9), John(8) and Alexander(6). My best guess to location is in the Midlothian area. Thanks for your assistance. Bill Pryde Nepean, Ontario, Canada Tel: 613-992-8213 Fax: 613-996-3746 bpryde@nss.gc.ca <mailto:bpryde@nss.gc.ca> ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details.

I'm looking for SKS to do a lookup for me on the 1881 British census. I'm looking for the family of John MITCHELL. His wife is Ann (age about 34), children Mary(12), James(9), John(8) and Alexander(6). My best guess to location is in the Midlothian area. Thanks for your assistance. Bill Pryde Nepean, Ontario, Canada Tel: 613-992-8213 Fax: 613-996-3746 bpryde@nss.gc.ca <mailto:bpryde@nss.gc.ca>

Hi Helen, I don't think I can help you with your request, but you never know. I had a great uncle named Archie (I think) MORLEY, he was married to a lady named Alice (nee HOME). They worked on an estate (in what capacity I'm not sure) for someone to do with CARR biscuits, and I think they lived in a place called Brampton (which I believe is near Carlisle). I hope this will be of some help to you, and if you have any more info. besides what was in your original e-mail, that you think might help me to fill in my missing blanks, I'd appreciate hearing from you or anyone else. Thanks. Regards, Malcolm Campbell (London,Ontario,Canada) Helen Weddell wrote: > > Hi! > I have just joined your list and am hoping some SKS can help me locate my > grandfathers birth and death, according to the 1881 census he was born in > Carlisle 1877. His name is Henry Lawrence MORLEY son of John MORLEY b.c.1837 > and Mary ?. Henry married Mary (Millie) Scott POTTS from Sorbie, Wigtown > 1903. My father John William MORLEY b. sept 1906 was orphaned 1916-19 and > sent to the Royal Caledonian School, Bushey, Herts. The school cannot find > my fathers records so there are no clues from there. > I do have some other people to look for which I will post later if I may but > I dearly want to find out more about my fathers family as he didn't know > much about his father either. > Thanking you all in anticipation > Helen Weddell > > Researching; > POTTS + SCOTT + MORLEY = Wigtown, Glasgow, Carlisle, Leeds & Leamington Spa > SCOTT + CARDY + GLASS + WEDDELL = Scottish Borders, Worcs & Lancs > HOLTON + NUNN + L'ESTRANGE = S. India & UK > WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON = Norfolk/Suffolk > > -----Original Message----- > From: BORDER-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:BORDER-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 18:37 > To: icedancer@mail.com > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details.

Hi Arline >I have Sarah >(Oliver) Smith who was born 1856 died sometime between 1886 and probably >1896. She was the wife of George Smith who was b 1851. There was also a >daughter Jessie who would have died between 1886 and 1900. I have been >unable to pinpoint Sarah or Jessie on the Scots Origins site, as I don't know >when and where they died. George Smith was the cousin of my great-grandmother Helen SMITH (b 1844) who coincidently married a Robert OLIVER (b 1845) in 1868 at Eglingham in Northumberland. Robert's father, George OLIVER, was born in Scotland in 1812. I have a considerable amount of information on the SMITH family going back to George and Helen's Grandparents Adam SMITH and Elizabeth (Betty) HALL who had ten children baptised at Gateshaw Associate Session Church at Morbattle between 1785 and 1807. I spent a day earlier this year at the Scottish Record Office in Edinburgh extracting all the SMITH baptism and marriage entries from the Gateshaw records - the majority of which fit into Adam and Betty's family - children - grandchildren and great-grandchildren. George SMITH was born at Upper Chatto, Hownam on 24 September 1851, the tenth of twelve children to George SMITH and Christian (DAVIDSON). George married Sarah OLIVER on 24 January 1876 at Morbattle. In 1881 they were living at Larden Cottage, Minto and in 1891 were at Horsleyhill, Minto (so Sarah was still alive then) with their seven children, including 7 year old Jessie. This might help to narrow your search for their deaths. Please contact me direct for more detailed information about the family and let me know where you fit in. Best wishes Jane Glass Alnwick, Northumberland

Hello Jim, I do not know of any connection between Newbigging and Newbiggin-by-the-sea, (where I have family) but in the Ordnance Survey Gazetteer there are around 100 (yes, one hundred) Newbiggings and variants in the UK. Regards, Gil. Hall. Southampton, England Researching HALL, NBL / DUR; DENT, DUR; KING, BEW / NBL / DUR; STEWART, Edinburgh, MLN / DUR; WINTON, Musselburgh, MLN / STS; BEAUMONT, STS / SAL; HOLDEN (ING), STS; BEES, SOM. ANDERSON, NBL; DAVISON, NBL. ----- Original Message ----- From: Arnott, J & H <jta@islandnet.com> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 September 2000 17:31 Subject: Newbigging? > Recent discussion thread on Newbigging (a couple of farms near Lauder) > had me wondering if there is any connection between this name in > Berwickshire and Newbiggin-by-sea in Northumberland?? Reason I ask is > that some of the branches of my ancestral tree came from > Newbiggin-by-sea. Any comments welcomed > > Jim Arnott > Victoria, BC, Canada >

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Hi Everyone: In my g-g-grandfather's biography he states that my g-g-grandmother, MARGARET STEWART RICHARDSON was born in MONBORLIE, SCOTLAND. I have tried every resource that I know about, but can find no mention of the name. Does the name ring any bells with any listers?.....Thanks, Meg

Does anyone have access to cemeteries or written records of cemetery stones for Minto/Lilliesleaf/Jedburgh/Hawick? I have no idea if cemeteries are located in any of these areas. I have Sarah (Oliver) Smith who was born 1856 died sometime between 1886 and probably 1896. She was the wife of George Smith who was b 1851. There was also a daughter Jessie who would have died between 1886 and 1900. I have been unable to pinpoint Sarah or Jessie on the Scots Origins site, as I don't know when and where they died. Information which might have been placed on a cemetery stone would be extremely helpful. Arline Fanning

I talk and I talk and I talk...with so many young people out of work in the off school seasons, and looking for supplemental income, what a delightful job for some of the more historically minded ones, to earn some extra income. As I understand it, education is now in the pockets of the Scottish students now, whereas in the past it was relatively free. Not like here in Canada. The summer break, of up to four months for University students, is like a cattle market with kids clamouring over each other to get the few to none really good jobs, with the rest having to hunker down in restaurants and deal with the most hardened of owners and patrons. A job not worth a slave's time of day. They are abused and overworked like castoffs from society. But that is the way it has always been. Farmers won't hire them, so they import West Indian and Mexican workers, that work slow but can tolerate the heat and humidity. Now, if I could look forward to a minimum wage job, involving scouring the archives, photocopying and alphabetically setting up those new sticky photo albums with row on row of cut out obits, death, marriage and birth notices, and even social comments...I would put up with a relative low pay to be both educated, add to the worth of my community and be of assistance to all those who are desperate for the information. Then some bright soul could scan the results and post them on the community's web site...seems every little burgh has one these days. But, alas, it is too easy to imagine and too fragile a concept. Just think of all the community resources waiting to be transcribed. And, these little gaffers can even read and write. That is more than can be said about those who did it once, long ago. Add to that, a specified format in the form of a template...why the body just shivers to think what could be the result of such wayward and "dilettantish" thinking! Al Dempster [always the radical lunatic] Marion Baker wrote: > > Wouldn't it be great if somebody posted deaths from old Nairn > Newspapers. I wonder what is the oldest for the town of Nairn. > Marion > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. -- GOD GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE... COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...so don't get mad, get even by using logic! In the Book of Islam we are told to do first with the word, then with the deed, then with the hand...ask, exemplify and then act...but above all...think. "There is no mechanical problem so difficult that it cannot be solved by brute strength and ignorance." Boyd Lopez ----------------------------------------------------------------------- You may get fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants-school-of-hard-knocks technical advice at this address from yours truly. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the following fave progs AND services, but I do not advertise their use. SEARCH: COPERNIC 2000: http://www.copernic.com/ SOFTWARE: http://www.winfiles.com/ ANTI-VIRUS: http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/ : http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ LATEST VIRAL UPDATE: http://www.antivirus.com/trendsetter/virus_report/ SECURITY: http://www.astalavista.com/ [plus lots of naughty bits] SUBSCRIBE: http://www.antivirus.com/subscriptions/default.asp GENEALOGY: http://www.mytrees.com/ + http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ LDS CENTRE: http://www.familysearch.org/ WAR STRATEGY FOR ALL OCCASIONS: http://www.chinastrategies.com/ LEGAL: http://jurist.law.utoronto.ca/ BEST COMPUTER MAG: http://smartcomputing.com/ ANY QUESTION: http://www.askme.com/

I'm looking for information on Christian (Christy) Sword (1807-1880), daughter of John Sword (1778-1831) and Elizabeth(1784- ). John Sword died in Jedburgh and I believe there is a family grave there. Many descendants lived in Jedburgh. Christy was a servant to Robert Pringle in parish of Southdean. She had a son who was christened at "Mervinslaw" farm near Camptown in 1834. Why would he be christened at Mervinslaw rather than Jedbugh? any references gratefully received Robyn rpcant@bigpond.com

Help required please. I know John Paton and Alison Trotter married in Edinburgh 29th March 1804. Alison daughter of William Trotter a mason of Berwick They had at least on son, Peter in 1818 I think Alison was born in Duns, Berwick on 4th April 1782 Parents William Trotter and Elizabeth 'Betty' Henderson Other children Peter 1778, Janet 1780, Thomas 1784, William 1786, Betty 1788, Margaret 1793 and Jean 1796 all born in Duns. Would like help turning 'think' into 'know' please Any help re. the Paton's would be a bonus. Thanks, Rob Taylor Manchester

Hello Listers, George GARDINER b abt 1781 Greenlaw m Alison WATHERSTON b abt 1789 ? place. The marriage at Greenlaw 2 Mar 1810. If anyone has a connection with this couple any information would be much appreciated. Also have the 1841 and 1851 Census been indexed for Earlston, Gordon and Greenlaw? If so are they available for purchase and who supplies them? Kind regards Ann Cape Town

Recent discussion thread on Newbigging (a couple of farms near Lauder) had me wondering if there is any connection between this name in Berwickshire and Newbiggin-by-sea in Northumberland?? Reason I ask is that some of the branches of my ancestral tree came from Newbiggin-by-sea. Any comments welcomed Jim Arnott Victoria, BC, Canada

Has anyone come up with any connection between the two names within the Cumbria area? thanks in advance. denise