How about; Helen -Helena - Ellen - Hellen - Elenor - Eleanora - Elaine - Ella - Lena - Leanora - Come on someone must know some more. Good luck Al. Helen in SussexResearching; WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON + ROUGHT = Norfolk and Suffolk borders MORLEY + POTTS + SCOTT + GLASS + CARDY = Scottish Borders and Northern England NUNN + L'ESTRANGE + HOLTON + SYKES + CLAYTON = India and UK. -----Original Message----- From: b1ptrm52 [mailto:b1caez01@sympatico.ca] Sent: 19 October 2000 09:55 To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Reposted: CHRISTIAN NAMES Some time ago I began a list of derivatives of "Elizabeth" and got quite a slew of variations on that theme back from many helpful people. I posted a further and similar request for anyone to send me a common Christian name or any sort with as many derivatives as they could recall--from A to Z. I was attempting to begin a list of such names to send off to RootsWeb. I had only one response to this second request. I allowed myself two weeks to collect names and organize them, but as of now, one week later, the first flush of enthusiasm has died. If there is no need for other Christian name leads then I shall stop this effort and not bother with it any more. To start things off again, I can think of the derivations of Donald, Janet, Mary, etc. that have many variations all over the British Isles. Many of which we never think to check on our path to glory. Let's try again to help each other with this scavenger hunt. Al Dempster -- The cycle of our intermingled lives brought forth the seeds of an intermingled friendship...no strings attached, none expected. "From the lone shieling of the misty island, Mountains divide us and the waste of seas; Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland, And we in dreams behold the Hebrides. Fair these broad meads, these hoary woods are grand -- But we are exiles from our fathers' land." That's all for now. Best wishes -- Rob *********************************************************************** NO COMMERCIALISM, NO ADVERTISING, NO PAY PER VIEW, NO PAY FOR CD'S, NO STEALING OF THE HARD WORK OF OTHERS--AND SELLING IT. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- GOD GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE... COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...so don't get mad, get even by using logic! - --------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Book of Islam we are told to do first with the word, then with the deed, then with the hand...ask, exemplify and then act...but above all...think. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is no mechanical problem so difficult that it cannot be solved by brute strength and ignorance." Boyd Lopez...who got it from ???? - --------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU MAY GET FLY-BY-THE-SEAT-OF-YOUR-PANTS TECHIE-ADVICE FROM-THE-SCHOOL -OF-HARD-KNOCKS AT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS - --------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the following fave progs AND services, but I do not advertise their use. SEARCH: COPERNIC 2000: http://www.copernic.com/ SOFTWARE: http://www.winfiles.com/ ANTI-VIRUS: http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/ : http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ LATEST VIRAL UPDATE: http://www.antivirus.com/trendsetter/virus_report/ SECURITY: http://www.astalavista.com/ [plus lots of naughty bits] SUBSCRIBE: http://www.antivirus.com/subscriptions/default.asp GENEALOGY: http://www.mytrees.com/ http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ LDS CENTRE: http://www.familysearch.org/ WAR STRATEGY FOR ALL OCCASIONS: http://www.chinastrategies.com/ LEGAL STUFF: http://jurist.law.utoronto.ca/ BEST COMPUTER MAG: http://smartcomputing.com/ ANY QUESTION: http://www.askme.com/ ______________________________

Hi Dianne and Brian! I can't help with the "hind" other than to say it also refers to a red female deer. However my ancestors are from Roxburgh also. My g g g grandfather is George RUTHERFORD who lived in Minto. In the birth record of his daughter, Helen on 3 Jan 1830, he is listed as a "farm steward". I suppose he was connected with one of the larger farms in Minto and as steward was in charge.Perhaps this is the occupation of your ancestor. If I am mistaken, please let me know. Sincerely, J Gregory Barron jgbarron@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian & Dianne Dixon <bddixon@inet.net.nz> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 11:48 PM Subject: Parish Records, Roxburghshire > Hi there, > I am currently reading a film covering the Lilliesleaf, Linton, Makerston and Maxton > Parish records, Roxburghshire. > The occupations for a lot of the men are listed as 'hind'. > Also, my 3 x G.Grandfather is listed as a steward at Riddletonhill. > Can anyone enlighten as to what these occupations were and can anyone help me find > Riddletonhill on the map. > > Thanking you,Dianne Dixon, > New Zealand. > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. >

Hi Dianne, A hind(or Hynd) was usually hired at the local hiring fair. He was a skilled farm worker, usually a ploughman, who was required to provide a women farm worker, often his wife or daughter. In return he recieved a home,a small garden for his use and a wage. I am researching in the same areas, have you seen the new "Maxton 2000" publication by Charles Denoon. I have just purchased and not finished reading it, ut it has two pages about Riddeltonhill, an estate in Maxton parish. Good luck in your search, Jane-Ellen Researching Handyside,Currie, Hardie and Hastie in the Maxton area. -----Original Message----- From: Brian & Dianne Dixon <bddixon@inet.net.nz> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 20, 2000 8:36 PM Subject: Parish Records, Roxburghshire >Hi there, >I am currently reading a film covering the Lilliesleaf, Linton, Makerston and Maxton >Parish records, Roxburghshire. >The occupations for a lot of the men are listed as 'hind'. >Also, my 3 x G.Grandfather is listed as a steward at Riddletonhill. >Can anyone enlighten as to what these occupations were and can anyone help me find >Riddletonhill on the map. > >Thanking you,Dianne Dixon, >New Zealand. > > >==== BORDER Mailing List ==== >The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. >

Hello Dianne: My Webster's Dictionary describes HIND as "a farm servant, esp. in parts of northern England and in Scotland." which is what I recall it meaning when I lived in the Borders in my youth.... and Webster's describes STEWARD as "a man employed... on a large estate to manage the domestic concerns, supervise servants, collect rents or income, keep accounts" On my UK OS survey maps , I could not find Riddletonhill but there is a small hamlet of Riddell near Lilliesleaf and it is not too much of stretch in imagination to conclude that there may well be a small hill nearby = Riddletonhill. As I have said at other times on this list, [UK] STREETMAP is a good tool to look for small map detail. For Riddell, see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?grid2map?X=352500&Y=625500&zoom=3 Regards Jim Arnott Victoria, BC, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Dianne Dixon" <bddixon@inet.net.nz> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Parish Records, Roxburghshire > Hi there, > I am currently reading a film covering the Lilliesleaf, Linton, Makerston and Maxton > Parish records, Roxburghshire. > The occupations for a lot of the men are listed as 'hind'. > Also, my 3 x G.Grandfather is listed as a steward at Riddletonhill. > Can anyone enlighten as to what these occupations were and can anyone help me find > Riddletonhill on the map. > > Thanking you,Dianne Dixon, > New Zealand. > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > >

Chris & Sheila Hale wrote: > > Helen Weddell wrote: > > > > How about; > > Helen -Helena - Ellen - Hellen - Elenor - Eleanora - Elaine - Ella - Lena - > > Another name for Helen is Nell or Nellie > > Sheila I Hale > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. Ref: HELEN: 1. My mothers name was "Mary Helen Vicars:, she preferred Helen all her life. 2. My GF "Alan McGregor Vicars", originally from the LEEDS area always refer to her as Nell. 3. Your info. Tom -- T.A.W. Robson (Tom) Site # 309 415 Commonwealth Road KELOWNA, BC, V4V 1P4 Tele: (205) 766-0339 Email: tawr@telus.net CANADA

Helen Weddell wrote: > > How about; > Helen -Helena - Ellen - Hellen - Elenor - Eleanora - Elaine - Ella - Lena - Another name for Helen is Nell or Nellie Sheila I Hale

does anyone know what was going on in Poland in the early to mid 1800's. I have a few relations that were born or married there but state Scotland as their origins. (names were KEDSLIE, GARVIE) Donna, Ontario, Canada

Hello Linda This might be of some help . Dwelling: Bonjedward T Head Census Place: Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224041 GRO Ref Volume 792 EnumDist 15 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George YOUNG M 31 M Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Forester Isabella YOUNG M 33 F Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary YOUNG U 9 F Galashiels, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Andrew YOUNG U 3 M Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Son William YOUNG U 1 M Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Lill <lillfam@tpg.com.au> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 20 October 2000 00:04 Subject: young > Hi everyone, I'm new to the list also and I'm hoping that someone may be able to help me track down my g.mother's birth as well as her two brothers. > > Mary Isabella Oliver Young b. Galashiels 1872/73 > > Andrew Young b. Jedburgh 1878 > > William Young b. Jedburgh 1880 > > Parents are George and Isabella Young > > I have looked up a number of films for Roxburghshire looking for my g.mother's birth but maybe I should have been looking in Selkirkshire. > > Thanks very much if anyone is able to help and hopefully someone might recognise Andrew and William's names as my 90 year old father would love to hear from any descendants from that side. > > Thanks Linda, Mallanganee, NSW Australia > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > >

Hi everyone, I'm new to the list also and I'm hoping that someone may be able to help me track down my g.mother's birth as well as her two brothers. Mary Isabella Oliver Young b. Galashiels 1872/73 Andrew Young b. Jedburgh 1878 William Young b. Jedburgh 1880 Parents are George and Isabella Young I have looked up a number of films for Roxburghshire looking for my g.mother's birth but maybe I should have been looking in Selkirkshire. Thanks very much if anyone is able to help and hopefully someone might recognise Andrew and William's names as my 90 year old father would love to hear from any descendants from that side. Thanks Linda, Mallanganee, NSW Australia

Hi Al, How about Barbara, there is Barb, Babs Biddy Barbi. Anyone think of any more. Ruth Edwards Australia

Greetings, Could anyone tell me please if the headstones in the Canonbie, Dumfries churchyard have been transcribed? I visited there quite a few years ago and the headstones were so black with lichen that they were unreadable. I wonder if anyone has found a way to decipher them. I am interested in the names Telfer, Telford and Bell who may have been buried in the Canonbie churchyard. Thankyou, Helen, Melbourne

Hello All, I'm introducing myself as I am new to the list and to research in Scotland. I will listen and lurk and learn. My interest is in John Alexander CONNOCHIE, known as Jack, my father, and his parents, of whom the only one I know is his mother Mary K (Kathleen?), known as Min. I was adopted but dearly wish to do them deserved honour on my family tree. Both died and are buried in Leeds, West Yorkshire. John Alexander CONNOCHIE was married by 1956 to Amy formerly wife of George Hardy, lived in Leeds. son of:- Mrs Mary K CONNOCHIE was born 11 March in (calculated from age at death) 1892, and I believe came from Selkirk. I don't know her maiden name I only recall her mentioning Clan Cameron. In the late 1960's I had an Aunt Esmie in Kinlochleven, Highlands, and an uncle Ian CONNOCHIE who had the Queen's (or Royal) Hotel in Kirkcaldy, Fife. My granny Amy died while I was very young so I was brought up by Mary K. on porridge and haggis and neeps, (tasty) and frequently wore a kilt. That's me and mine, My Regards, Lynn Tennant in Sharlston, West Yorkshire

Some time ago I began a list of derivatives of "Elizabeth" and got quite a slew of variations on that theme back from many helpful people. I posted a further and similar request for anyone to send me a common Christian name or any sort with as many derivatives as they could recall--from A to Z. I was attempting to begin a list of such names to send off to RootsWeb. I had only one response to this second request. I allowed myself two weeks to collect names and organize them, but as of now, one week later, the first flush of enthusiasm has died. If there is no need for other Christian name leads then I shall stop this effort and not bother with it any more. To start things off again, I can think of the derivations of Donald, Janet, Mary, etc. that have many variations all over the British Isles. Many of which we never think to check on our path to glory. Let's try again to help each other with this scavenger hunt. Al Dempster -- The cycle of our intermingled lives brought forth the seeds of an intermingled friendship...no strings attached, none expected. "From the lone shieling of the misty island, Mountains divide us and the waste of seas; Yet still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland, And we in dreams behold the Hebrides. Fair these broad meads, these hoary woods are grand -- But we are exiles from our fathers' land." That's all for now. Best wishes -- Rob *********************************************************************** NO COMMERCIALISM, NO ADVERTISING, NO PAY PER VIEW, NO PAY FOR CD'S, NO STEALING OF THE HARD WORK OF OTHERS--AND SELLING IT. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GOD GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE... COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...so don't get mad, get even by using logic! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In the Book of Islam we are told to do first with the word, then with the deed, then with the hand...ask, exemplify and then act...but above all...think. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is no mechanical problem so difficult that it cannot be solved by brute strength and ignorance." Boyd Lopez...who got it from ???? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU MAY GET FLY-BY-THE-SEAT-OF-YOUR-PANTS TECHIE-ADVICE FROM-THE-SCHOOL -OF-HARD-KNOCKS AT MY E-MAIL ADDRESS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the following fave progs AND services, but I do not advertise their use. SEARCH: COPERNIC 2000: http://www.copernic.com/ SOFTWARE: http://www.winfiles.com/ ANTI-VIRUS: http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/ : http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ LATEST VIRAL UPDATE: http://www.antivirus.com/trendsetter/virus_report/ SECURITY: http://www.astalavista.com/ [plus lots of naughty bits] SUBSCRIBE: http://www.antivirus.com/subscriptions/default.asp GENEALOGY: http://www.mytrees.com/ http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ LDS CENTRE: http://www.familysearch.org/ WAR STRATEGY FOR ALL OCCASIONS: http://www.chinastrategies.com/ LEGAL STUFF: http://jurist.law.utoronto.ca/ BEST COMPUTER MAG: http://smartcomputing.com/ ANY QUESTION: http://www.askme.com/

Reposting interests after a year or two. The name appears in Coldstream, Eccles, Edrom, Swinton & Simprin, and other parishes. Anyone come across any connections? They married ARMSTRONG, RUTHERFORD(Kelso), RENTON, HAVERY(Coldstream), TAIT and others

Hi Everyone: I just received some extracts of entries in OPR's from SCOTS Origins. I did read the information that someone had posted here (I think last month) on irregular marriages but would really appreciate it if SKS briefly explained once again the reasons marriages were deemed irregular. Was (as my hubby so quaintly puts it) "he-ing & she-ing" the only grounds, or would the fact that one or the other of the spouses was non-Scottish have been sufficient cause. Also there is a sentence in this exception that I can't fully decipher and would welcome suggestions. " The Session agreed upon their acknowledged [perment](sp?) of the irregularity to confirm their marriage & to continue there in the enjoyment of christian privilege." In a different marriage, appeared the following sentence: "William Young Weaver in Eckford-Mofs Cautioner for the Bridegroom & John Cranston in Eckford Caution for the Bride." First, I am guessing that "Mofs" means something. Is this the same as the double "s", and that this would then translate to Eckford-Moss? What would that be? Secondly, I think I can deduce what a "Cautioner" would be, but who exactly would be tapped to assume that role. Since the groom above is also a Young from Eckford, I would presume William was a relative. However, the bride was from Gordon in Berwick and her maiden name was Henderson. Would John Cranston merely be a parish member? Thanks for any input. Meg Landseadel Staton

Does any one recognise the name Gilhome/Gilholme etc, eg below ( I dont have a connection to this person yet. I have a lot of information about the family from Northumberland from 1750 ish till present, all in Northumberland/Borders region Chris Usher In Memory ofLESLIE THOMAS GILHOLME Driver NX721 A.I.F. 9 div. Amn. Coy., Australian Army Service Corps who died on Tuesday, 3rd June 1941. Age 21.

My...ran it up the flag pole and no one saluted.... Landen Schooler Landen Schooler wrote: > > Landen Schooler wrote: > > > > Well my Murray predates yours, so we'll see if it will fit > > in the puzzle..... > > > > Descendants of Mary Murray > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > 1. MARY MURRAY was born 10 September 1758 in Bluebrase, > > Scotland, and died 26 June 1817 in Hutton, Berwickshire, > > Scotland. She married BENJAMINE SCOULER 1785 in Hutton, > > Berwickshire, Scotland, son of WILLIAM SKOULLER and AGNES > > FOORD. He was born 11 June 1749 in Paxton, Berwickshire, > > Scotland, and died 31 January 1831 in Hutton, Berwickshire, > > Scotland. > > > > > > Children of MARY MURRAY and BENJAMINE SCOULER are: > > i. WILLIAM SCHOOLER, b. 14 October 1786. > > ii. MARY ISABELLA SCHOOLER, b. 31 December 1788, Hutton, > > Berwickshire, Scotland; d. 15 September 1849; m. WILLIAM > > RENTON, JR, 23 February 1810, Hutton, Berwickshire, > > Scotland; b. 05 June 1786; d. Aft. 1849. > > > > More About WILLIAM RENTON, JR: > > Baptism: 05 June 1786 > > Occupation: Fisherman > > > > iii. JOHN SCHOOLER, b. 22 December 1789, Hutton, > > Berwickshire, Scotland; d. 18 December 1882, Hutton, > > Berwickshire, Scotland; m. ISABELLA KNOX; b. 25 October > > 1792, Dunse, Scotland; d. 27 July 1849, Hutton, > > Berwickshire, Scotland. > > > > More About JOHN SCHOOLER: > > Fact 1: Presbyterian > > Fact 2: was a Feuar in Paxton > > > > More About ISABELLA KNOX: > > Fact 1: Presbyterian > > > > iv. BENJAMINE SCHOOLER, b. 25 January 1792. > > v. THOMAS SCHOOLER, b. 22 December 1795. > > vi. JAMES SCHOOLER, b. 05 August 1797; d. 13 May 1819. > > vii. GEORGE SCOULER, b. 14 May 1800; d. 12 November 1878, > > Hutton, Berwickshire, Scotland; m. MARGARET NISBET, 10 > > February 1826; b. 27 June 1792, Paxton, Berwickshire, > > Scotland; d. 09 November 1857. > > > > And if anyone else spots something, let me know.. > > > > Landen Schooler > > Palmyra, Iowa > > > > Jack and Debbie Murray wrote: > > > > > > Hi Judy, > > > > > > I've lost a John MURRAY who was born 8 Jun 1827 in Lanark, Lanarkshire, > > > Scotland. (His parents were born in Tweedsmuir, Peeblesshire, Scotland) John > > > came with his parents to Hay Township, Huron County, Ontario in 1834. In > > > 1848, he left home and then disappeared without a trace, after visiting > > > London, Ontario. The family has always assumed he went after his fortune in > > > California, but obviously he could have gone anywhere. > > > > > > This John MURRAY's first son was probably named James. His second daughter > > > would probably have been named Margaret. > > > > > > I have much information on his ancestors and the descendants of his > > > siblings. > > > > > > Anybody out there hit a brick wall with their John MURRAY who was born in > > > 1827 in Scotland? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Jack Murray from Michigan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Judy Hopkins <judy_h@iprimus.com.au> > > > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:08 AM > > > Subject: Murray > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm not sure if I've posted this before, but as Durham was mentioned > > > > recently I thought I'd give it a go. Is there anyone out there who is > > > > missing a John Murray, born c.1830-35, supposedly in Sunderland, Durham? > > > > I've been looking for him for 20 years and I've found that most of the > > > > Murrays in Sunderland were Scottish, with some Irish. He was a carpenter > > > > who came to Australia c.1852, according to family story, but as he didn't > > > > marry my great grandmother there are no parents' names on a marriage > > > > certificate, and when he died no-one knew who his parents were. > > > > I desperately need someone who has lost a John who came to Australia. > > > > Thanks all, > > > > Judy > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details.

I am new to this list and am seeking help re the death of my great uncle John MacDougall in Selkirk in 1897. He was an Hotel Keeper and died of a fractured skull. A James McAuley occupier was the informant. I don't know the hotel, but wondered if there would have been a report in a local newspaper of his death. Where could I find out where the information might be If I can help anyone with a Perthshire query I would be pleased to do so Kay

Has anyone ever come across the above name, or something similar to it? I recently had a will transcribed, and everytime the name was mentioned, it seemed to have been spelled Wresthly. Can anyone think of what it could be if it was transcribed incorrectly? Thank you. Trish LEWIS Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia

Hi Everyone. I just received the will of my g(x5) grandfather Duncan SINCLAIR who was a gardener at the Mellerstain Estate, husband of Christian TAIT. He did 1833. I discovered the following info on his children: Christian SINCLAIR married Thomas WRIGHT an Innkeeper in Edinburgh. Their issue was Christian (Christy) and Margaret. Janet SINCLAIR married John ANDERSON, a Mason in Kelso. Their issue was Christian, John, William, Jessie, George, Finlay and Margaret. Rachel SINCLAIR married Thomas MANDERSON in Edinburgh. Their issue was Christian, Margaret, Jessie and Rachel. Duncan's sons were John SINCLAIR, a gardener at Hackney in the County of Middlesex, and George, Nursery and Seedsman at the New Cross near London. Duncan could have had other grandchildren Finlay D. SINCLAIR, Jane SINCLAIR, Mary SINCLAIR, Sara SINCLAIR and Elizabeth SINCLAIR. Not know which belongs to John or to George. Duncan mentions an Uncle Duncan. Anyone recognize any of these names. I hope so. Thank you. Trish LEWIS Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia Canada