Please! I would like to know the answer to this one as well. Helen in Sussex Researching; WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON + ROUGHT = Norfolk and Suffolk borders MORLEY + POTTS + SCOTT + GLASS + CARDY = Scottish Borders and Northern England NUNN + L'ESTRANGE + HOLTON + SYKES + CLAYTON = India and UK. -----Original Message----- From: Nicky Young [mailto:nickyy@hotkey.net.au] Sent: 22 October 2000 12:34 To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Wondering Hello My father was in the Merchant Navy for a short period sometime in the 1920's, and I was wondering if anyone knows if there is any way I can get details of his records.Or any websites that will give me information. Thanks in Advance Nicky Young ______________________________

Thank you for your response. I am only now begining to scratch the surface of the RUTHERFORD family history. The furthest back I have yet gone is a birth entry in Minto, Roxburgh showing the birth of my gg grandmother, Helen Rutherford to her father George RUTHERFORD on 3 Jan 1830. It states he is a farm steward. His wife Mina EASTON may have been the " ladies maid of the Countess of Minto." I speculate George may have worked at the Earl's estate and farm (Earl Gilbert Elliot). George RUTHERFORD had a son John who owned a major firm in HAWICK: Turner, Rutherford & Co. Ltd.. Established in 1880, it survived almost 100 years as a hoisey factory with offices in London also. I know little of this John RUTHERFORD other than his date of birth: 3 May 1833. Hawick, by the way, is the nearest big town to Minto. Your Thomas may be a brother to my George Rutherford or cousin from the dates you offer. Again, please stay in touch and thank you for your interesting response.@ J Gregory Barron Atlanta, Georgia, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris & Sheila Hale <cshale@home.com> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Rutherford's > I have a Thomas Rutherford b. est 1816/17 at Hawick who married > my GGAutn Christian Scott in 1843 at Yarrow Selkirk. He was a > Gamekeeper. Children I know about include Jane, Thomas, David, > George and Walter Beattie Rutherford born between 1844 and 1853 > most at Bellendean, Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland. > > Does he fit in with your Rutherford's > > Sheila I Hale > > > > "J. Gregory Barron" wrote: > > > > Hello again! > > I'm happy you received many positive responses. I am fasinated that we may > > have a match with your Robert RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Riddletonhill, and > > my 3X great grandfather George RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Minto! I read in > > just the previous post about naming patterns and the 4th son was to be named > > after the father's eldest brother! And according to you, Robert's 4th son is > > named GEORGE. Before I get carried away, do you know of your Robert's > > parents and siblings? I would be happy to learn more. I have reached the > > proverbial wall on this incredible line. ( They were even farm stewards at > > the same time-1830's!) I look forward to hearing from you again. > > > > Thank you > > J Greg Barron > > jgbarron@mindspring.com > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. >

Hello My father was in the Merchant Navy for a short period sometime in the 1920's, and I was wondering if anyone knows if there is any way I can get details of his records.Or any websites that will give me information. Thanks in Advance Nicky Young

Hi Listers: I currently have on loan LDS Film No. 220433 for the 1891 Census of Roxburghshire. It contains the Parish listings for: 780 - Ancrum 781 - Ashkirk 782 - Bedrule 783 - Bowden 784 - Castleton 785 - Cavers 786 - Crailing If anyone out there would like a lookup within any of the above, please provide me with your Family Group details. Based on past experience of a similar posting I placed last month, preference will be given to those who provide me with full details of the family they are searching. Jim Arnott Canada

Hello again! I'm happy you received many positive responses. I am fasinated that we may have a match with your Robert RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Riddletonhill, and my 3X great grandfather George RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Minto! I read in just the previous post about naming patterns and the 4th son was to be named after the father's eldest brother! And according to you, Robert's 4th son is named GEORGE. Before I get carried away, do you know of your Robert's parents and siblings? I would be happy to learn more. I have reached the proverbial wall on this incredible line. ( They were even farm stewards at the same time-1830's!) I look forward to hearing from you again. Thank you J Greg Barron jgbarron@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian & Dianne Dixon <bddixon@inet.net.nz> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: Parish Records, Roxburghshire. > Hello there, > Many thanks to each and everyone of you who posted replys to my request regarding occupations and the location of Riddletonhill. It was very overwhelming to say the least. My thanks once again. > I can now trace the movements of my 3xG.Grandfather from 1829 - 1851. Still have to find and confirm his birth which on the 1851 census records him as being born at Maxton. > To J.Gregory Barron :- Thankyou for your reply. My 3x G.Grandfather recordered as living at Riddletonhill as a steward in 1829 was Robert Rutherford at the birth of his eldest son called Robert. We have similiar names. Robert's 4th son was called George and his only daughter, 7th child was called Helen. Is there a link between your George and my Robert. > To Stephen Karner :- I am willing to look up the film on the Linton Parish register for you. I have access to the film at our L.D.S. library for another week. However, I must inform you that the early part of the register is very hard to read, some of it I think is in Latin, very small writing and very hard to see. It is easier to read from approximately 1750 onwards and goes through to 1854. Please let me know what you would like me to research and I'll try and do my best. > To Peter Kerse :- Thankyou for your great list of occupations. I will look for your names etc and post to you, hopefully I can be of some help to you also. > Good luck with family research, > Dianne Dixon > New Zealand. > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. >

Dear Glennys, I know nothing of Scottish research but in my neck of the woods Jno =John Jas =James My regards Lynn T Interest in Connochie Kinlochleven / Selkirk? ----- Original Message ----- From: John and Glennys Gow <jggow@bigpond.com> To: <> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 2:10 AM Subject: Name Variations > Hi listers, > > My Border ancestor Jane Blair was also known as Jean which I understand is > fairly commonplace. > > Can anyone confirm for me that the abbreviations > > Jno = John > Jas = James > > Thanks, > Glennys Gow in Lismore, NSW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Edwards" <bredwards@datafast.net.au> > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:18 PM > Subject: Re Names > > > > Hi Al, > > How about Barbara, there is Barb, Babs Biddy Barbi. > > Anyone think of any more. > > Ruth Edwards > > Australia > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > >

I have a Thomas Rutherford b. est 1816/17 at Hawick who married my GGAutn Christian Scott in 1843 at Yarrow Selkirk. He was a Gamekeeper. Children I know about include Jane, Thomas, David, George and Walter Beattie Rutherford born between 1844 and 1853 most at Bellendean, Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland. Does he fit in with your Rutherford's Sheila I Hale "J. Gregory Barron" wrote: > > Hello again! > I'm happy you received many positive responses. I am fasinated that we may > have a match with your Robert RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Riddletonhill, and > my 3X great grandfather George RUTHERFORD, farm steward in Minto! I read in > just the previous post about naming patterns and the 4th son was to be named > after the father's eldest brother! And according to you, Robert's 4th son is > named GEORGE. Before I get carried away, do you know of your Robert's > parents and siblings? I would be happy to learn more. I have reached the > proverbial wall on this incredible line. ( They were even farm stewards at > the same time-1830's!) I look forward to hearing from you again. > > Thank you > J Greg Barron > jgbarron@mindspring.com

In 1881 my great uncle John MacDougall is a Boots at Tower Knowe Hotel in Hawick, The Hotel Keeper is John Robertson aged 44, his wife Mary S Robertson age 39 b Glasgow. By 1890 John is a Hotel Keeper in Chapel en Le Frith, Derbyshire where his first child is born. The parents name her Mary Stewart Robertson MacDougall. Not after the wife's mother, but after his former employer's wife. Question is did the Robertsons help to set John up in his own hotel. I don't suppose I will ever know Kay

Dear Researchers, Some months ago, somebody posted a small article about the traditional order of naming family members (e.g. 1st. child: Named after father’s father and so on). If any of you has that article in your archive, could you be so kind to send me a copy of it? Thank you very much. Maria Orem, Utah, USA

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Naming Pattern popular between 1700 and 1875 in UK as follows. - The first son was named after the father's father - The second son was named after the mother's father - The third son was named after the father - The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother - The first daughter after the mother's mother - The second daughter after the father's mother -The third daughter after the mother - The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister Dear Researchers, Some months ago, somebody posted a small article about the traditional order of naming family members (e.g. 1st. child: Named after father's father and so on). If any of you has that article in your archive, could you be so kind to send me a copy of it? Thank you very much. Maria Orem, Utah, USA ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details.

Hi listers, My Border ancestor Jane Blair was also known as Jean which I understand is fairly commonplace. Can anyone confirm for me that the abbreviations Jno = John Jas = James Thanks, Glennys Gow in Lismore, NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Edwards" <bredwards@datafast.net.au> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: Re Names > Hi Al, > How about Barbara, there is Barb, Babs Biddy Barbi. > Anyone think of any more. > Ruth Edwards > Australia > > ______________________________

Hi Max, In the cases where there are two disks to a county, e.g. Yorkshire and Lancashire, the data file on each disk is identical, it is just the indexes which are different. This is because in any address there might be a couple of ADAMS and a SMITH. The new reader just does a better job of searching the data. Best regards - Mike Simpson, Penrith, NSW, Australia Email: agene@tpg.com.au HomePage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~agene

Hi Dianne, Riddletonhill is between the A699 and an old dismantled Railway just south of the River Tweed. I would estimate about 10 miles East of Selkirk. Brendan Jones. Also, my 3 x G.Grandfather is listed as a steward at Riddletonhill. Can anyone enlighten as to what these occupations were and can anyone help me find Riddletonhill on the map

When searching the 1881 British Census, using viewer 2, I have found that when you look for a name in Lancashire A-J Disc 1. called Layfield, it tells you to put in Lancashire K-Z Disc 2, this is normal However using Viewer 3 with Disc 1 Lancashire A-J, and using the following simple instructions: 1) When the search screen appears cancel it 2) Click on Search 3) Click on Neighbours - Advances Query 4) You can use Boolean Logic Searches and put in Layfield up comes about 80 families, so maybe there are quite a few names listed on Disc I that cannot be accessed by using Viewer 2 This also applies to York Disc 1 & 2 Check it out if you have Viewer 3 Max in Australia

I am seeking information on the "Crooks" name in the Border region. My G-G-grandfather, Robert Crooks was married to a Jane (Jean) Turnbull at Lilliesleaf, Roxb. on March 10, 1832. He was registered in nearby Ashkirk parish, but I have been unable to find any trace of the Crooks name in that area. She was registered as being from Lilliesleaf, and her family is quite well documented in that area. They arrived in Ontario, Canada about 1842, and according to Ontario census data, they apparently came to Canada via Ireland. Apparently, at least two of their children are recorded as being born in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated. Lloyd Crooks Winnipeg, Canada

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Hi there, I am currently reading a film covering the Lilliesleaf, Linton, Makerston and Maxton Parish records, Roxburghshire. The occupations for a lot of the men are listed as 'hind'. Also, my 3 x G.Grandfather is listed as a steward at Riddletonhill. Can anyone enlighten as to what these occupations were and can anyone help me find Riddletonhill on the map. Thanking you,Dianne Dixon, New Zealand.

Hi Dianne, A Hind was a skilled farm servant, especially a married man having charge of two horses, i.e. normally a ploughman. It would be expected his wife would also work on the farm, in return for which they would be entitled to live in a farm cottage. A farm Steward was essentially a farm manager, responsible for the day to day running of the estate. Riddletonhill can be seen on the 1863 map of the area on the old-maps web site. Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/10roxbu811/HTML/fs_81008001d.htm find Maxton about half way down the left margin of the map, then scroll right and you will come to Riddletonhill which appears to be an estate alongside the railway line. Best regards - Mike Simpson, Penrith, NSW, Australia Email: agene@tpg.com.au HomePage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~agene

Hi Linda, Glad to see you on the list. I've been out of the genealogy loop for a while, taking about a year hiatus, and saw your post. YOUNGs of ROX are vast, yet we may find a connection, somewhere, if we can push our proven lines back a couple generations. I've a George as younger brother to my great grandfather, William. My George YOUNG (b.1860,Markerston, ROX) was not the one listed in what I presume was Kay's 1880 (?) census post, in response to your query. Possible links to our lines in the given names, though, they are all common names of the generation and locale. Along with his other six siblings, my William also has a brother, Oliver (b.1855, Jed. ROX), and sister, Mary (b.1853, Jed). William's parents were James YOUNG & Janet ROBSON (m. 1842, Oxnam, ROX). Too early to tell if all these folks are linked, especially with Haddington possibly in your equation, but I've seen the tracks our predecessors made 'round the isles, and they could get around, so one never knows... I'll keep lurking, reading and see if I can provide more info or clues. Private emails to me, from other than AoL should be addressed to my yahoo addy, listed below. Have you access to search the IGI from the FHC site? http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchigi.asp Very helpful resource. G'Luck to ya & Happy hunting! Terra -- LuxUnum@yahoo.com - my YOUNG info http://users.aol.com/dlux2blueh/UnumKin.html#Young === In a message dated 00/10/20 12:05:13 PM, BORDER-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: <<Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 10:45:19 +0100 From: "Kay Liney" <kay@knockard.freeserve.co.uk> ....<snip>.... Dwelling: Bonjedward T Head Census Place: Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224041 GRO Ref Volume 792 EnumDist 15 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George YOUNG M 31 M Prestonpans, Haddington, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Forester Isabella YOUNG M 33 F Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Wife Mary YOUNG U 9 F Galashiels, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Andrew YOUNG U 3 M Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Son William YOUNG U 1 M Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland Rel: Son ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Lill <lillfam@tpg.com.au> Sent: 20 October 2000 00:04 Subject: young > Hi everyone, I'm new to the list also and I'm hoping that someone may be able to help me track down my g.mother's birth as well as her two brothers. > > Mary Isabella Oliver Young b. Galashiels 1872/73 > > Andrew Young b. Jedburgh 1878 > William Young b. Jedburgh 1880 > Parents are George and Isabella Young ....<snip>.... >>