I beg the indulgence of list owners for this one time--two downloads, today and tomorrow of the names submitted to me as per my quest. TO THOSE WONDERING WHAT THIS IS ABOUT...PLEASE DO NOT ASK. THIS IS A COMPILATION OF PERSONALLY COLLECTED FAMILY CHRISTIAN NAMES SUBMITTED TO ME OVER A THREE WEEK PERIOD AND ALPHABETIZED. LOOKING FOR A MISSING RELLY, THEN CHECK SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES! Just file this file away in your Family Tree folder and refer to it if needed. There are specific sites to visit for generic Christian names, but none are as personal as these. CHRISTIAN NAMES AND THEIR DERIVATIVES--THE BRITISH ISLES I cannot even begin to thank all the contributors to this list. It is obvious that many names are children's attempts at pronouncing their own, or their relatives' names. And it is just as probable that these derivatives were once thought of as "cute" affectations. On a more sinister note, changing one's name to a derivative may have saved a life or two...a coded label. These names probably stuck and became the most familiar within a "family context." Add to this, the respective accents from the various corners of the Isles, and the tradition of scribing phonetically, and we can see the obvious assault on a "good Christian name," makes appropriate sense only in a reasoned given context. These names stretch the length and breadth of the British Isles and are not indigenous to any specific area. If there are repeats, please fix them. I will fix my own once my eyes un-cross! The first name in a string is capitalized and was apparently, according to the contributors, was the name given upon Christening. The others may be Christening names as well as derivatives. It all depended upon who wrote to contribute and what circumstances they gave. Don't forget this URL as posted by: "Dee Lerch" <dlerch@uniserve.com>," "The source is from an article at www.genealogy.com on the Importance of Given Names. Here is the website address for the article [http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/35_donna.html]." She writes: "I conduct a one name study, that's all families, all times, worldwide, of one surname. Re first name patterns It varies enough in England to be an utterly unreliable method of working out whom belongs to whom, I've not even tried to, but it is very common to find a surname used as a first name, often it was the mother's maiden name or a grandmothers maiden surname. Usually one son is named after the father, but not necesarily the first or the third son. It can be difficult to see a pattern when the first four generations all called their first sons the same name. The pattern doesn't say if the fifth son was named after anyone, down here often a name was used twice if the first child died they named another the same. Some distinctive names do run in families. Alice will appear from apparently nowhere and become favoured for two or three generations, or skip a generation. One of my own 19th c families nearly ran out of girls names after 8 on the trot, the first son and 9th child was named Jeremiah after his father...he should by pattern have been a John. I often see a child named after an uncle too." Lynn T "From: Vivienne S Dunstan <viv.dunstan@one-name.org> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Naming Pattern Dee Lerch <dlerch@uniserve.com> wrote: Naming Pattern popular between 1700 and 1875 in UK as follows. The first son was named after the father's father The second son was named after the mother's father The third son was named after the father The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother The first daughter after the mother's mother The second daughter after the father's mother The third daughter after the mother The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister Could you tell me the source for this please? In all my studies I've never seen any indication of a popular UK-wide pattern in this period. There is evidence from the past of a Scottish pattern, but there seems less evidence of a single English pattern, let alone any overall UK one. There is a very common pattern that researchers see in lowland Scottish families during the pre-1900 period, and that runs to 1st son after father's father 2nd son after mother's father 3rd son after father 1st dau after mother's mother 2nd dau after father's mother 3rd dau after mother But there were enough variations in this pattern even in lowland Scotland to caution people against relying upon it completely, and to extend any "standard" pattern beyond the first 3 sons/daughters is pushing any idea of "standardization" way too far IMHO. For a detailed discussion of this see for example Gerald Hamilton-Edwards' "In seach of Scottish ancestry" Chapter 5 (other Scottish genealogy textbooks should also cover naming patterns to varying degrees). In my, albeit more limited experience of English research, I've found it hard to detect evidence of any kind of pattern, though something that I have seen (albeit more in southern England) is a fairly high chance of a couple naming son 1 after the father (i.e. the child's father) and daughter 1 after the mother. Beyond that any naming seems to be very varied. This extends across England east-west. Moving further north I've seen some cases of what looks at the start like a Scottish pattern, but then it varies again: more often than not drawing on biblical (non family) names for the younger children. And back in Scotland (in the Borders) where one parent is from England (I wish the census returns were more precise on cross-Border birthplaces!) there seems less chance of the Scottish pattern being upheld when it comes to naming children. Can other listers comment on any pattterns or otherwise on the English side of the border, e.g. in the Northumberland/Cumberland area? Was there something approaching a Scottish pattern, or was the situation very different? Was there even a pattern at all? Experiences from single families are interesting, but it can be easier to look for overall patterns if you've examined many many families in an area, e.g. perhaps as part of a local or community history project. If anyone falls into this category and can comment on the naming patterns I'd be delighted to hear from you. Ditto for any written commentary on the subject (that can be substantiated). Viv Dunstan Fife, Scotland (but originally from Roxburghshire) http://www.vivdunstan.clara.net/ P.S. Apologies if the naming pattern given at the top comes from a published book or likewise, but I suspect that it may be false whatever. Even something in a published book can be incorrect :)" ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** A ANN: Anne, Any, Anny, Anney, Annie, Anie, Nan, Nancy, Anna, Annie, Annette, Netty or Nettie, Nina ALEXANDER: Alex, Alec ALEXANDRA: Ailie, Allie ALAN: Al, Allan, Alen, Allen, Alfred, Alphonse, Aloicious, Albert AGNES [Nan, Nancy, Nessie, Nesta, Aggie. Ag] B [see also Elizabeth] BARBARA: Barb, Babs Biddy Barbi. BETTY: Bett, Bette, Bettie BESSIE: Bess, Betsy BELL: Isobel [?] BENJAMIN: Benji, Benny, Ben and can be female as well as male BURWELL: Burl, Beryl, Berrill, Burrill, Barwell [some of these may be male or female] BETHANIA: Beth, Bethany, Bethanie, Bett C CATHERINE: Cat, Kate, Katie, Kattie, Cate, Rin, Cathy, Katrin, Katrine, Katrina, Kit, Kay, Kath, Katy, Kathy, Kathleen, Kathryn, Katrine CHARLOTTE: Chattie, Lottie, Tottie, Charity, Charlie, Char CHARLES: Charley, Chas, Chuck CECILIA: Cecil, Cecile, Cissy, Sissy, Sis, Ciss, Cesille CHRISTIAN: Chris, Christopher D DONALD: Daniel, Dan, Danny, Donny, Donie, Danie, Donnie, Dannie DOROTHY: Dorothea, Dot, Dottie, Doff, Doss, Doris, Dolly DAVID: Davey, Davie, Davis, Dave E EDWARD: Ed, Edword, Ted, Teddy ELIZABETH: Elizabeth, Bithia, Elizebeth, Bethia, Lizzy, Liza, Beth, Lisa, Bee, Leasa, Lisbeth, Bessey, Elisa, Elisha, Elisabeth, Elisebeth, Bette, Libby, Beth,Beatrix, Beatrice, Bett, Bethany, Bethanie, Bethia, Lilibet, Lillibeth, Betsey, Lillibet, Betsy, Lillibett, Betts, Lizbeth, Lisbeth, Eliza, Elisha, Bess, Alisa, Bette, Bea, Libby, Bessie, Bitzen, Beth Lynn, Beth Lynne, Bethlynn, Bethlynne, Dicey, Lillias, Lilias, Lillian, Lillia, Lilia, Lily, Lilly, Liba, Elspeth, Lizzie, Lit, Bathia, Elspet, Besse EDITH: Eddie, Eatith [family quirk] ELLEN: Nellie, Nelly EUNICE: Nicey [Neecy], Unity F FRANCIS: Frances, Fran, Franny, Fan, Fanny G GEORGINA: Gig [soft "g], Georgie, Georgy, Doddie [?], GEORGE: Geordie GERALD: Jerry, Jerrie, Gerry, Gerrie GERTRUDE: Gertie, Gerty, Gert, Gerdy H HENRY: Harry, Hank, Henri [m/f] HELEN: Helena, Hellena, Peg [stature], Ellen, Hellen, Elenor, Eleanora, Elaine, Ella, Lena, Leanora HENRIETTA: Nettie HARRIET: Hattie HENDERSON: Hence, Henry, Hendie I ISOBEL: Bell J JANE: Janet, Janey, Jenny, Jen, Jessie, Jess, Jean, Jane, Jeanie, Jinty, Jessica JESSIE: [see Jane][Janet or Jean or Jenny or Jane all appear interchangable] JOHN: {more Scottish than English} Jonathon, Jonathan [both more English than Scottish apparently], Jean, Jotham JAMES: Jamie, Jamey, Jay, Jammie JULY: Judy, Jullie, Jully, Julia, Ulie, Ulia JUDY: Judith, [as above] JOAN: Joanie, Oanie, Onie [maybe another Jessie through-back] K KATTIE: Kate, Katie L LYNE: Lynn, Lynne, Lynnet, Lynnette LAURA: Laurie, Lolly, Lol, Lora, Lori, Lorrie, Lara (?) LAURIE [MALE]: Laurence LAURENCE: Laurie, Lawrence M MARY: Marie, Mary-Ann, Mary-Anne, Maria, Marion, Marian, Mollie, Molly, May, Mhairi [Scot.], Moyra, Moira, Minnie, Mamie MARY-HELEN: Nell MARGARET: Marge, Margie, Margret, Peggie, Peggy, Peg, Maggie, Meg, Mar, Marg, Peggity, MIGNONETTE: Minnie MANUEL: Manny, Manning N NORMAN: Normon, Norme, Norm NANCY: Nan O P POLLY: Appalonia, Pollianna, Polly Ann, Polly Anne, Polly Anna, Mary Ann, Annie Q R S T THOMPSON: Tomas, Thom, Thomas, Thomos, Tommy, Tommie, Tom THEODORE: Theo, Ted, Tibor U V W WILLIAM: Willie, Will, Bill, Billy X Y Z ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NAMES TO SORT TO ABOVE LIST AS COPIED FROM E-MAILS...too many to retype! FEMALE CHARLOTTE [Chattie, Lottie, Tottie, Charity, Charlie, Char] CHRISTINA [Christine, Chrissie, Christian, Tina, Teenie] ELIZABETH [Elisabeth, Beth, Betty, Betsy, Bess, Eliza, Liz, Lizzie, Lilah,Isabella] EUPHEMIA [Effie, Eppie, Euphan, Phemie] FLORA [Florence, Florrie, Flossie, Flo] GRACE [Grissel, Grizel] HELEN [Ellen, Lena, Nellie, Ella] HENRIETTA [Etta, Henny, Hetty, Retta] ISABELLA / ISOBEL [Bella, Ella, Ibbie, Isa, Tibbie] JANET [Jan, Jane, Jessie, Jean, Joan, Nettie, Jenny, Jeannie] JEAN [Jane, Janet, Jessie, Jenny, Nettie] JEMIMA [Mima, Jemmy, Jenny] MARGARET [Maggie or Maggy, Meg, Peggy, Margo, Margot] MARY [Molly, Polly, May, Myra, Marian, Marion, Marilyn, Maureen, Moira, Maisie, Minnie] MATILDA [Maud, Mattie, Pattie, Tilly, Tilda] PATRICIA [Patty, Pat, Patsy, Tricia] SARAH [Sara, Sally] VICTORIA [Queenie, Vicky, Vicky, Vi, Violet, Tori, Torie, Toria] WILLHEMINA [Mina, Willie, Hemmy] MALE ALBERT [Al, Bert, Albie, Bertie] ALEXANDER [Alec, Alex, Ecky, Sandy, Andy] EDWARD [Ted, Ed, Eddie] GEORGE [Dodd, Geordie, Gordy, Todd, Georgie] HUGH [Hew, occasionally Chug or Chuggie] JAMES [Jamie, Jim, Jas, Ian] JOHN [Jack, Jock, Jno, Joe, Johnny, Ian, Sean] LAWRENCE [Laurence, Larry, Laurie] PETER [Pete, Patrick] RICHARD [Rick, Dick, Ricky, Chad] ROBERT [Rob, Robbie, Bob, Rab, Rabbie, Bert] THOMAS [Tommy, Tam, Tom] WILFRED [Fred, Freddie, Will, Willie, Wilfy, Bill, Billy] WILLIAM [Bill, Billy, Will, Willie, Liam] NOTE: Some abbreviations can come from different Christian names e.g. BERT could come from Albert, Bertram, Herbert, Egbert, Hubert, Wilber, Wilburt. George is also "Jack" Amanda is "Manda", "Mandy" and I also go "Emaud" Louisa can be "Lou" "Louie" or "Louise" Cordelia can be "Della" , "Lia" Cynthia can be "Cinda", "Cindy" or "Cidda" Louada can be "Ada", "Lodie" or "Addie" or "Lou" Hiram can be "Harm" I have an aunty whose name is Elizabeth but is called Elsie My husband is Robert called Bob and Bobby My uncle is Robert called Bert, Bob or his son also Robert is called Rob. My mother Margaret is called Peg or Peggy(or Peggi) All meant to confuse us regards Elaine Suddens in NZ( only Elaine or E or Ainey) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OF SPECIAL NOTE IS THIS LIST SENT IN BY DEAN...a persistent wee devilish lad... I can't be bothered retyping this lot...so I just copied and pasted. "I finally found my little book of Christian names, so here are the more common girls and boys names. Anne. [Hebrew] >From the name Hannah. Annabel, Annabelle, Annabella (all 3 also with one N), Anna, Ann, Annette, Anette, Anita, Annetta, Anetta, Annie, Nan, Nancy, Nanette, Nina, Nita. Elizabeth [Hebrew] Elisabeth, Elisabetta, Elsa, Elsbeth, Else, Elsie, Lisabet, Lisbeth, Lisabeth, Lisbet, Bess, Bessie, Beth, Betsy, Bette, Bettina, Betty, Libby, Lisa, Lise, Lizzie, Elspeth. Elizabetta, Lizabeth, Lizbeth, Lizabet, Lizbet, Liza, Lize, Elisa, Eliza. Helen [Greek] Helena, Helene, Eleanor, Elena, Elene, Elenore, Elinore, Ella, Ellen, Lenore, Leonora, Leonore, Lora, Lorine, Ellie, Nell, Nellie, Nora, Aileen, Eileen, Ilene. Jane [Hebrew] Janice, Jenny, Jancy, Janet, Jayne, Jean, Jan, Jeanne, Jeannette, Jeanette, Jeanine, Joan, Joanna, Janine, Joanne, Johanna. NB: Jessica, while often used as a derivitive, is in fact not a derivitive of Jane. Jessica, Jessie, Jesse. Katherine [Greek] Catherine, Cathrine, Cathryn, Cathy, Cate, Cara, Catey, Catie, Cath, Cathleen (all can be spelt with either K or C), Kitty, Kay, Kit, Karen, Karin, Karyn, Ina, Catriona. Mary [Hebrew] Mara, Maria, Marie, Mariam, Marian, Marianne, Marietta, Mariette, Marilyn, Marion, Maureen, Minette, Miriam, Moira, Mimi, Mollie, Molly,Polly, Mamie, Minnie, May, Maree, Maire. Margaret [Hebrew] Marguerite, Margarete, Margarita, Madge, Meg, Peg,Peggy, Maisie, Maggie, Margot, Rita, Margery, Margo, Marjorie, Greta, Marge, Margie. These are the main girls names, if you want any others, please feel free to ask. Alexander [Greek] Alasdair, Alastair, Alister, Sandy, Alex, Alec, Lex Charles [Teutonic {German}] Carl, Charlie, Charley, Chas Edward [Anglo-Saxon] Ed, Eddie, Eddy, Ned, Ted, Teddy. James [Hebrew] Hamish, Jacob, Seamus, Shamus, Jack, Jamie, Jim, Jimmie, Jimmy, Jock. John [Hebrew] Jon, Johnnie, Johnny, Jack, Jackie, Shane, Ian, Iain, Jock NB: Jonathan, while often considered, and used as, a derivitive of John is, in fact, a different name. Richard [Anglo-Saxon] Ricard, Rickert, Dick, Dicky, Rick, Ricky, Richie, Ritchie, Rich, Ritch Robert [Teutonic] Rupert, Robertson, Robinson, Bob, Bobby, Rob, Robb, Robby, Robin, Rab Most of the mens names are reasonably obvious, but many of the women's ones are not. Again, if there are any others you would like to know, please ask. Dean. Lower Hutt, NZ." THANKS AGAIN TO ALL THE CONTRIBUTORS AL DEMPSTER

Hi listers, can anyone assist with details of old Jedburgh? In 1841 census- whereabouts of 'Larkhall', parish of Jedburgh (Swords were living there). Anything known about Robert Pringle's farm in Southdean in 1841 (Christy Sword was a servant)? Free Church of Jedburgh (Blackfriars)- which street, are there any photos on the internet? Burial place of John Sword (d <1841) and Betty Sword (d about 1870). Any details would be much appreciated Robyn Melbourne, Aust.

Maybe this will be of help. I have a ROBERT BAILLIE PRINGLE farming at Bairnkine Extract from OPR- PARISH OF JEDBURGH IN THE COUNTY OF ROXBURGH. ENTRY DATE 31 DEC 1837. ROBERT BAILLIE PRINGLE, Farmer at Bairnkine in the Parish of Southdean has been regularly proclaimed for marriage with MARGARET BROWN residing in JEDBURGH; and they were accordingly married on the 3rd January 1838 by the Rev JOHN PURVES JEDBURGH. Pringle Family Diary- "Robert Pringle , Tenant of the farm of Bairnkine in the Parish of Southdean was married on the 3rd day of Jan 1838 to Margaret Brown, youngest daughter of the late Peter Brown of Rawflat in the House of Dr Nelson, Abbey Green, Jedburgh and they had born to them at Bairnkine in the Parish of Southdean 1. Margaret born 2 Apr 1840 2. John Born 20 Dec 1842 3. Robert Brown Born 15 July 1844 4. David born 24 June 1845 5 Mary born 5 Feb 1847 6. Elizabeth born 13 Jul 1849 "...... "Robert Pringle died at Bairnkine Jany 1878 and his wife Margaret died also at Bairnkine May 1886." Both buried at Southdean Church at village of Chesters. If this the right ROBERT PRINGLE please get back to me for more details. Tim in wettest Kent- UK. -----Original Message----- From: Mrs Robyn P Cant [SMTP:rpcant@bigpond.com] Sent: 27 October 2000 11:40 To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Jedburgh details Hi listers, can anyone assist with details of old Jedburgh? In 1841 census- whereabouts of 'Larkhall', parish of Jedburgh (Swords were living there). Anything known about Robert Pringle's farm in Southdean in 1841 (Christy Sword was a servant)? Free Church of Jedburgh (Blackfriars)- which street, are there any photos on the internet? Burial place of John Sword (d <1841) and Betty Sword (d about 1870). Any details would be much appreciated Robyn Melbourne, Aust. ______________________________

hello Robyn Larkhall farm is about a mile out of Jedburgh on the back road to Hawick. You go up Castlehill and past the Jail on the Dunion Road. There are also holiday flats called Larkhall but these are reached by going up Exchange St in the middle of town and I dont know whether this area would have been known as Larkhall in 1841. I think there may be a Larkhall burn which runs round the back between the two areas. Were your ancestors living in the cottages or the main farmhouse? You can find Larkhall on the old-maps site or the modern ordnance survey maps which are also on line. As for churches, there are at least three at the present day. A Baptist Chapel on Bridge St, a church at the bottom of the High Street and another one with sterner architecture a bit further up. You could chuck a stone between the two. One of these is likely to have been the Free Church but not of course before the Disruption. As for burials, there is a large graveyard (still in use) up behind the Jail. I don't know if there are any smaller ones. Hope this helps Judy --Copywriter@tesco.net ---------- >From: "Mrs Robyn P Cant" <rpcant@bigpond.com> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Jedburgh details >Date: Fri, Oct 27, 2000, 10:40 am > > Hi listers, can anyone assist with details of old Jedburgh? In 1841 census- > whereabouts of 'Larkhall', parish of Jedburgh (Swords were living there). > Anything known about Robert Pringle's farm in Southdean in 1841 (Christy > Sword was a servant)? Free Church of Jedburgh (Blackfriars)- which street, > are there any photos on the internet? Burial place of John Sword (d <1841) > and Betty Sword (d about 1870). Any details would be much appreciated > Robyn > Melbourne, Aust. > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > >

Can anyone tell me how one would travel from Coldingham BEW to London in the 1820's ? By stage coach ? By sea ? On horseback ? Do you think someone would go on spec ? Or would he have a job waiting for him ? Cyril

Hello All, I haven't done much research in Eng. and am looking for a bit of help. I have an entry from the St. Cath. index for 1881 from Newcastle/T. I e-mailed the Newcastle Registrars office and gave them the names of the parents I thought might be listed on the cert. They replied that the father matched but the mother didn't. Did these certs. for this time list the mothers maiden name or just her first name and then her married surname? Thanks, Heather Canevaro Canada

Hi Helen, Thanks for your e-mail. I don't think this MELROSE fits in, but if you don't mind I will keep it and who knows maybe when I get more info. I can use it. Just out of interest my maternal g'fathers name is SCOTT (Thomas), and I think his parent's names are William SCOTT and Racheal (nee I don't know). my g'father lived, worked (at the docks), and died in Sunderland, Co.Durham, I am presuming he was born there and his parents are also from there, I'm afraid that at the moment I don't have too many more details. Again, thanks for your info. and if you think I can be of any help to you, please don't hesitate to ask. Regards, Malcolm Campbell (London,Ontario,Canada) Helen Weddell wrote: > > Dear Malcolm, > During my SCOTT research I have come across a Margaret MELROSE married to > James SCOTT children Margaret Whitelock SCOTT b. 10 Dec 1869 Yetholm, > Roxburgh and Richard Melrose SCOTT b. 25Dec 1871, Yetholm. Maybe this is a > clue for you. > Good luck > Helen in Sussex > Researching; > WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON + ROUGHT = Norfolk and Suffolk borders > MORLEY + POTTS + SCOTT + GLASS + CARDY = Scottish Borders and Northern > England > NUNN + L'ESTRANGE + HOLTON + SYKES + CLAYTON = India and UK. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Campbell [mailto:malcolmc@execulink.com] > Sent: 24 October 2000 15:04 > To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: '91 Census Rox; Certain Parishes, HOME > > Hi Jim, > > Re your offer, I have recently started my family tracing, but > unfortunately have hit many brick walls. Will you be able to assist me > with any info. re my paternal g'mother as per the enclosed; > > name; Catherine Melrose HOME (my paternal g'mother) > born: 1885(7)-Jan-4, Sunderland, co. Durham or Melrose, Scotland, (which > Melrose I am not sure, since there are 2, I am assuming it is > the one near the Scotland/England border and which is in > Roxburghshire), > died; 1952-Jun-8 Sunderland. > married; 1911-Feb-11 (to James Campbell, master house painter) > they had 2 sons (Alfred & Alexander Home (my father)) > she had 5 sisters ( Alice, Ethel, Liz, Maggie and Mary) > I think she lived most of her live in Sunderland, Co.Durham. > > Because one of her names is Melrose, she may have come from Melrose or > maybe that is a family name (which I believe there is). > > I have also heard Berwick mentioned, maybe that's because it also is on > the border. Also, that she was related to Sir Alexander HOME (the ex PM) > maybe that's because it's the same name. > > That's the trouble with just starting, there are so many blanks. Any > assistance you or anyone else can provide would be greatly appreciated, > but I'm afraid I didn't give you much to go on, I don't even know the > Parish. Thank you. > > Regards, > > Malcolm Campbell (London,Ontario,Canada) > > Arnott, J&H wrote: > > > > Hi Listers: > > > > I currently have on loan LDS Film No. 220433 for the 1891 Census of > Roxburghshire. It contains the Parish listings for: > > 780 - Ancrum > > 781 - Ashkirk > > 782 - Bedrule > > 783 - Bowden > > 784 - Castleton > > 785 - Cavers > > 786 - Crailing > > > > If anyone out there would like a lookup within any of the above, please > provide me with your Family Group details. Based on past experience of a > similar posting I placed last month, preference will be given to those who > provide me with full details of the family they are searching. > > > > Jim Arnott > > Canada > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > > ______________________________ > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details.

I have Georgina LAMB illegitimate; born c 1847 48, Pencitland, mother Janet DAVIDSON father William LAMB a baker. Georgina marr. Robert TEMPLE & lived Cranston, Midlothian, but I dont know where William LAMB was from. From: "Harry Jackson" <harryjackson@barclays.net> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Neil, Rew, Mills, Hymers, Hogg, Sharp,Lamb. > All these families lived in the following places Melrose, Yetholm, > Eckford,Jedburgh,Hawick, Stow,Wester Ulston.

Amanda Thank you so much for this information. I was dimly aware of Thomas because I looked at some Kelso census returns and OPRs but sadly before I really knew what I was looking for especially in terms of dates. It is intriguing because my great great grandmother (the youngest daughter of James MITCHELL and Ann SMITH) was a seamstress of some kind. I realise it is quite likely that all three Thomases are the same person. The UP bit is a useful clue because James and Ann were married in a secessionist church and the two eldest daughters baptised in the same branch. This is one of the reasons they have been so difficult to trace. I will follow up the dispensary lead as well. I will put a query on the list about the Selkirk local history centre-they may have earlier directories. Thanks very much. Judy --Copywriter@tesco.net ---------- >From: "jpgeist" <jpgeist@neptune.on.ca> >To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Mitchel in Kelso >Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2000, 11:44 pm > > Hi Judy,I checked Rutherfurd's Directory published 1866 for you and found > the following; > Thomas Mitchell,draper,34 Horsemarket Kelso. > John Mitchell,38 Roxburgh St of Mitchell & Balmer,Draper & Clothiers 16 > Square,Kelso. > Thomas Mitchell,United Pres Church treasurer. > Thomas Mitchell of Kirk Yetholm,registered voter in Kelso. > Dispensary,Roxburgh St Kelso,founded 1777.Perhaps your James was connected > to it?Hope this helps,Amanda,Canada. > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > >

Hi Heather, Emigrants could have sailed from virtually anywhere. Most regular sailings to Canada and the States were from Liverpool, but I have even seen an advertisement for persons wishing to travel on a ship sailing from Berwick-on-Tweed to Melbourne, Australia. It would appear if a ship had a few berths available, they would fill them up, as far as the shipping companies were concerned, emigrants were just cargo. Best regards - Mike Simpson, Penrith, NSW, Australia Email: agene@tpg.com.au HomePage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~agene

Hello Robyn: I see that Judy Olsen and others have replied to you today. However, you might find this additional information of interest. Larkhall can be found on OLD MAPS, narrowing down your search through county (Rox) and location (Jedburgh) and by scrolling through: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/10roxbu811/HTML/fs_81021001i.htm I looked up GENUKI at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Gazetteers.html and entering the name "Southdean" in the search box, the system produced location on map at (entire URL following may not be "hyperlinked") http://uk2.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?scale=100000&place=NT630090&GridE=363 000&GridN=609000&db=grid GENUKI will provide you with gazetted information on following Jedburgh = http://www.vivdunstan.clara.net/genuki/ROX/Jedburgh/index.html Southdean = http://www.vivdunstan.clara.net/genuki/ROX/Southdean/index.html Trust the above is useful. Jim Arnott Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs Robyn P Cant" <rpcant@bigpond.com> To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 3:40 AM Subject: Jedburgh details > Hi listers, can anyone assist with details of old Jedburgh? In 1841 census- whereabouts of 'Larkhall', parish of Jedburgh (Swords were living there). Anything known about Robert Pringle's farm in Southdean in 1841 (Christy Sword was a servant)? Free Church of Jedburgh (Blackfriars)- which street, are there any photos on the internet? Burial place of John Sword (d <1841) and Betty Sword (d about 1870). Any details would be much appreciated > Robyn > Melbourne, Aust. > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > >

Hi folks I'm back on after an ISP change. Researching Amos (Ashkirk Post Office) Pringle (Teviotdale etc) Scott and a wee few more to boot. Always enjoy this list and pleased to be back on after a short break Geoff Amos New Zealand

Thanks again Jim for the info,I am currently working on the Kennedy family of Ancrum,who have lived in the same village for approx 250 years,,several members believed to have left for Australia and New Zealand possibly between 1840-1900, I would love to hear from anyone who may have a link to this family.Family christian names are Adam,Andrew,John,James,Thomas,George, Elspeth,Elizabeth,Mary.Margaret,Isabella,Agnes,Catherine,Jane, Happy hunting,Amanda,Canada.

Hi Christine,I thought the following might interest you from Rutherfurd's directory,1866. Earlston Trades, George Wallace,Commercial Inn, John Wallace, joiner. Henry Wallace, shoemaker. LANGTON.>There is one village in the parish,Gavinton,so called in honour of Mr Gavin,maternal grandfather of the late Marquis of Breadalbane,who built the village in 1760 to supersede the ancient village of Langton,which stood 1/2 mile to the north.Population of parish in 1861-502 people.116 separate families. Gavinton Trades, James Waddell of A & J Waddell, builders Alexander Waddell , as above. Also, Misses Waddell,Gavinton. Westruther. David Lyall,farmer, Cammerlaws. I'm not working on these names but thought I would pass on the info to you.good luck.Amanda.

Hi Judy,I checked Rutherfurd's Directory published 1866 for you and found the following; Thomas Mitchell,draper,34 Horsemarket Kelso. John Mitchell,38 Roxburgh St of Mitchell & Balmer,Draper & Clothiers 16 Square,Kelso. Thomas Mitchell,United Pres Church treasurer. Thomas Mitchell of Kirk Yetholm,registered voter in Kelso. Dispensary,Roxburgh St Kelso,founded 1777.Perhaps your James was connected to it?Hope this helps,Amanda,Canada.

Dear Malcolm, During my SCOTT research I have come across a Margaret MELROSE married to James SCOTT children Margaret Whitelock SCOTT b. 10 Dec 1869 Yetholm, Roxburgh and Richard Melrose SCOTT b. 25Dec 1871, Yetholm. Maybe this is a clue for you. Good luck Helen in Sussex Researching; WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON + ROUGHT = Norfolk and Suffolk borders MORLEY + POTTS + SCOTT + GLASS + CARDY = Scottish Borders and Northern England NUNN + L'ESTRANGE + HOLTON + SYKES + CLAYTON = India and UK. -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Campbell [mailto:malcolmc@execulink.com] Sent: 24 October 2000 15:04 To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: '91 Census Rox; Certain Parishes, HOME Hi Jim, Re your offer, I have recently started my family tracing, but unfortunately have hit many brick walls. Will you be able to assist me with any info. re my paternal g'mother as per the enclosed; name; Catherine Melrose HOME (my paternal g'mother) born: 1885(7)-Jan-4, Sunderland, co. Durham or Melrose, Scotland, (which Melrose I am not sure, since there are 2, I am assuming it is the one near the Scotland/England border and which is in Roxburghshire), died; 1952-Jun-8 Sunderland. married; 1911-Feb-11 (to James Campbell, master house painter) they had 2 sons (Alfred & Alexander Home (my father)) she had 5 sisters ( Alice, Ethel, Liz, Maggie and Mary) I think she lived most of her live in Sunderland, Co.Durham. Because one of her names is Melrose, she may have come from Melrose or maybe that is a family name (which I believe there is). I have also heard Berwick mentioned, maybe that's because it also is on the border. Also, that she was related to Sir Alexander HOME (the ex PM) maybe that's because it's the same name. That's the trouble with just starting, there are so many blanks. Any assistance you or anyone else can provide would be greatly appreciated, but I'm afraid I didn't give you much to go on, I don't even know the Parish. Thank you. Regards, Malcolm Campbell (London,Ontario,Canada) Arnott, J&H wrote: > > Hi Listers: > > I currently have on loan LDS Film No. 220433 for the 1891 Census of Roxburghshire. It contains the Parish listings for: > 780 - Ancrum > 781 - Ashkirk > 782 - Bedrule > 783 - Bowden > 784 - Castleton > 785 - Cavers > 786 - Crailing > > If anyone out there would like a lookup within any of the above, please provide me with your Family Group details. Based on past experience of a similar posting I placed last month, preference will be given to those who provide me with full details of the family they are searching. > > Jim Arnott > Canada > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. ______________________________

Harry, For your Hogg family, check out my website "The Hogg Surname Centre" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hogg/ The best place to start is to go to the archives and click on the place where your Hoggs are from. Monica Hogg MonicaWorks Web Design www.gulfislands.com/monicaworks/ hogg@gulfislands.com > Greeting Listers May I list my Family names > Neil, Rew, Mills, Hymers, Hogg, Sharp,Lamb. > All these families lived in the following places Melrose, Yetholm, > Eckford,Jedburgh,Hawick, Stow,Wester Ulston. > I would welcome any listers who have an interest in the these names to share what > information we have. Many thanks Harry

Hello All, Wondering if anyone would know or could point me in the right direction, to find out if emmigrants(?) sailed to Canada from Newcastle about 1882? Any info appreciated Heather

Greeting Listers May I list my Family names Neil, Rew, Mills, Hymers, Hogg, Sharp,Lamb. All these families lived in the following places Melrose, Yetholm, Eckford,Jedburgh,Hawick, Stow,Wester Ulston. I would welcome any listers who have an interest in the these names to share what information we have. Many thanks Harry

Hi Jim, Thanks for your e-mail, and the URL's. I guess when I sent my original e-mail, I was pulling at straws and was hoping you or anyone else could assist me, but without much info. on my part, that's hard to do. I am not trying to get others to do my work for me, but when you hit a brick wall, any assistance (such as your URL's) is greatly appreciated. Again, thanks. Regards, Malcolm Arnott, J&H wrote: > > Hello Malcolm: > > While I don't wish to appear discouraging, I am only prepared (and have the > time) to do a lookup for folks who provide me with specific Family Group > details (parents and children, where born, ages) AND THE PARISH that they > wish me to search from among the list of parishes that I provided in my > original post (see below), none of which actually contain the town of > Melrose (although some are close by - like Bowden). > > I would refer you to the following web sites to familiarise yourself > with the local geographic details around Melrose. > > http://www.vivdunstan.clara.net/genuki/ROX/ > > http://www.vivdunstan.clara.net/genuki/ROX/Melrose/index.html > > Best wishes in your search. > > Jim Arnott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Campbell" <malcolmc@execulink.com> > To: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: '91 Census Rox; Certain Parishes, HOME > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Re your offer, I have recently started my family tracing, but > > unfortunately have hit many brick walls. Will you be able to assist me > > with any info. re my paternal g'mother as per the enclosed; > > > > name; Catherine Melrose HOME (my paternal g'mother) > > born: 1885(7)-Jan-4, Sunderland, co. Durham or Melrose, Scotland, (which > > Melrose I am not sure, since there are 2, I am assuming it is > > the one near the Scotland/England border and which is in > > Roxburghshire), > > died; 1952-Jun-8 Sunderland. > > married; 1911-Feb-11 (to James Campbell, master house painter) > > they had 2 sons (Alfred & Alexander Home (my father)) > > she had 5 sisters ( Alice, Ethel, Liz, Maggie and Mary) > > I think she lived most of her live in Sunderland, Co.Durham. > > > > Because one of her names is Melrose, she may have come from Melrose or > > maybe that is a family name (which I believe there is). > > > > I have also heard Berwick mentioned, maybe that's because it also is on > > the border. Also, that she was related to Sir Alexander HOME (the ex PM) > > maybe that's because it's the same name. > > > > That's the trouble with just starting, there are so many blanks. Any > > assistance you or anyone else can provide would be greatly appreciated, > > but I'm afraid I didn't give you much to go on, I don't even know the > > Parish. Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Malcolm Campbell (London,Ontario,Canada) > > > > Arnott, J&H wrote: > > > > > > Hi Listers: > > > > > > I currently have on loan LDS Film No. 220433 for the 1891 Census of > Roxburghshire. It contains the Parish listings for: > > > 780 - Ancrum > > > 781 - Ashkirk > > > 782 - Bedrule > > > 783 - Bowden > > > 784 - Castleton > > > 785 - Cavers > > > 786 - Crailing > > > > > > If anyone out there would like a lookup within any of the above, please > provide me with your Family Group details. Based on past experience of a > similar posting I placed last month, preference will be given to those who > provide me with full details of the family they are searching. > > > > > > Jim Arnott > > > Canada > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for > details. > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > The Border Names Newsletter contact boglelodge@yahoo.com for details. > > > >