Looking for the following family from the 1881 British census. All children born at Wooler Northumberland England. I am really looking for the spouse who died. I suspect / hope it maybe Margaret Bain. Thanks, Chris Bain William HUNTER head widow 55 born SCT Shepherd Jane " dau Unmar 24 born ENG Farm servant Mary " dau Unmar 22 born ENG Dressmaker George " son 19 born ENG Grocer Thomas " son 17 born ENG Agri Laborer Adam " son 14 born ENG scholar John " son 8 born ENG scholar William " son 4 born ENG

Somewhere in the last couple of days I've seen a query about the family of James Hope Sibbald, and I can't remember where - these two groups seem the most likely. I've now realised why the name rang a bell - one of his daughters married the wife of the Minister of Whitsome. Anyway, in case the Sibbald searcher IS here, here's what I have: 1 William Sibbald b: 1760 Occupation: Minister of Haddington d: 4 6 1833 .. +Frances Davis Bontein m: 28 8 1786 in Cardross, Dunbarton d: 18 6 1836 .. 2 James Hope Sibbald b: 31 7 1787 Occupation: Minister of Cranshaws d: 3 3 1853 ...... +Margaret Ann Anderson m: 9 6 1813 d: 19 4 1903 ...... 3 John Hope Knox Sibbald b: 27 7 1848 Occupation: Banker. Edinburgh d: 12 4 1875 ...... 3 Wilhelmina Sibbald b: 24 7 1851 .......... +John Dodds Occupation: Schoolmaster of Bowden m: 23 12 1892 ...... 3 James Hope Sibbald b: 16 8 1853 d: 25 3 1856 .. 2 Helen Sibbald b: 10 4 1789 ...... +William Grierson Occupation: Merchant, Baitford, Dumfries m: 11 9 1815 .. 2 Frances Sibbald b: 2 2 1791 ...... +John Coldstream Occupation: Surgeon, 26th Foot m: 26 11 1810 .. 2 William Sibbald b: 14 11 1793 Occupation: Lieutenant, army .. 2 Thomas Sibbald b: 27 8 1796 .. 2 Jemima Sibbald b: 15 6 1799 .. 2 Robert Sibbald b: 3 6 1802 .. 2 Augusta Sibbald b: Aft. 1806 .. 2 Margaret Sibbald b: 3 8 1806 d: 6 8 1839 in Coldingham ...... +John Robertson b: 2 1 1800 in Longformacus Occupation: Minister of Whitsome m: 25 12 1833 d: 1865 ...... 3 Elphinstone Margaret Robertson b: 19 10 1834 Baptised: 12 1 1835 Coldingham d: 10 7 1914 .......... +James Herriot Occupation: Farmer, Herriotbank ...... 3 John Alexander Robertson b: 19 1 1836 Occupation: Minister of Whitsome d: 1906 in Whitsome .......... +Helen Stenhouse b: Abt. 1845 in Hawick, Roxburgh Baptised: 24 6 1845 Hawick, Roxburgh m: 27 8 1867 in Ednam, Roxburghshire d: 26 1 1911 ........... 4 John Alexander Robertson b: 29 8 1868 Occupation: Doctor d: 22 9 1903 in Matjesfontein, Cape Colony ........... 4 Catherine Purves Logan Robertson b: 2 3 1872 ............... +William McDowall Selby m: 20 1 1898 in Port William ........... 4 Stenhouse Robertson b: 12 11 1875 d: 10 1 1880 ........... 4 William Sibbald Robertson b: 8 3 1881 Occupation: Doctor Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

My Lillicos are their too with their Colyard and Douglas spouses, so I have sent an objection. Margaret Sullivan

Who would wish to live over a graveyard, or even a former graveyard, anyway ? I am sure that there must have been a Curse fall over an old gravesite, sometime in the past. At the first storm the roof may blow off, or the paintings fall off the walls, the possibilities are endless. One would never want to walk the dog in the garden after dark !! I bet that the Buyers are not Scottish !! Mary > Subject: [Clan DOUGLAS] Re: Call to Arms! Heritage in Danger!!!!!! > > At the Douglas of > > Cavers Estate in Cavers Scotland the property has been sold, the new > people Mr & Mrs Bennet have put in a application to the planning board to > have the Church and graveyard turned int a private house!!! In the > Church is a Douglas vault, in the graveyard are many Douglas graves. > The meeting with deadline for objections has been changed to ---- Tues 11 > March 03. ------ This woman has offered to pass on any emails to > this board, before the deadline. Jean Muir - > [email protected]

>Subject: [Clan DOUGLAS] Re: Call to Arms! Heritage in Danger!!!!!! > At the Douglas of > > Cavers Estate in Cavers Scotland the property has been sold, the new >people Mr & Mrs Bennet have put in a application to the planning board to >have the Church and graveyard turned int a private house!!! In the >Church is a Douglas vault, in the graveyard are many Douglas graves. I'm not clear on this - is this the old Cavers Church? Or another church and graveyard on the Douglas Estate? If it's the old Cavers Church there are many Scotts also there...... among others. Peggy

I can't resist telling you that I lived in a haunted house once. I have lived in many houses but this one was the only one that was haunted. Later I heard the people before me had moved out because they were angry at the people upstairs for banging and bumping, while the people upstairs, very quiet types who were still there when we arrived, were quietly playing cards. The downstairs people would never believe they weren't banging around up there and nobody suspected a haunt. There were many different kinds of experience with that house. We wondered why the landlady didn't live in it as it was nicer than hers, but later we heard a story which would have been enough to lead to a haunting and she was the main part of it. It was why her brother committed suicide over the house. She inherited the money and he the house. He came to her for a loan to save it from tax sale, which she didn't give. He killed himself and she got the house at tax sale. The people who lived there after me also had the haunting trouble. In fact they came to me to demand why I hadn't told them when I showed it to them, as their child was being thrown from her bed every night and landing quite a distance away and what could they do? She wasn't a strong child, as she had celiac disease. How had we stood it? They had an adult witness to this, and also to a poltergeist happening which four people saw. There were footsteps scuffing around upstairs when no one was home. As they thought they heard their upstairs neighbour they went to invite the her to come down to visit, but received no answer, and then the next morning, Monday, saw her drive in from a weekend trip. This beautiful heritage stone house was built after the American Revolution by a Scottish stonemason named John Law and his wife Eliza from Fifeshire, Scotland. There was the stone of their young daughter there, too. This family's gravestones were propped against the outside wall under the dining room window where there was also what was left of the old orchard. Much of the farm land had been turned into a subdivision and I expect a family graveyard was cleared then. The first part of the house, the sandstone part was built soon after the Revolution and completed in 1808. Later the roof was lifted and a very beautiful second story was added. It had musket loopholes. The house is located on what used to be an old portage where boats were hauled on a corduroy road around the Niagara Falls from Lake Ontario to Lake Erie. It was originally an native Indian route used for the same purpose. Later, a prominent physician's wife who had moved there with her family and done extensive renovation opened her door to me. I wanted to ask her if she knew what had happened to an old Masonic hitching post that used to lay under the hedge. It had been stolen before they moved in although they had heard of it. I then asked her if she had ever had any unusual experiences with the house. I didn't want to indicate what I meant and when she asked me I just repeated the question. Then she asked me in and took me to the laundry room so her children wouldn't hear. She said she had often seen old time people's faces looking into the dining room windows at night. Her husband pooh-poohed her, and made fun of her, but he stopped but when they found a skeleton under the earthen basement floor with Indian beads among the bones. There were trying to lower the floor to get more height from the huge hand axe hewn beams down there, there was also a beautiful stone fireplace that could have roasted an ox, a fine vaulted stone oven floored with fine white sand, and later they found under the kitchen addition a fine white stone lined well. I have often wondered what they did with the bones. They are supposed to report all such finds to the authorities. There were many strange things in that house. Most frequestn were feelings of hatred directed at you which would build and build if you talked about any of this in the house. The only remedy was not to mention it inside. There was absolutely no problem just outside, though. There was the smell of new mown hay from an old room in January. It was the oldest part of the house and I later found that the garage next to it was also part of the house in which they lived and later kept a carriage. Little children who knew nothing about the experiences waved happily to a smiling lady who looked in at them from a high window, or awakened screaming and pointing into a certain corner. Poltergeist effects. Cold draughts. The whole nine yards. I lived there for a couple of years and every night regularly walked through the dark house to fix a baby's bottle in a cavernous kitchen with low plank doors leading to the basement and at the other end to the oldest room in the ell of the house, built of red sandstone while the house itself was later built of beautifully dressed Queenston limestone. That old room was where the hay smell was experienced. I prepared the bottle by the light of a dim forty watt bulb. Every time I walked to the kitchen I saw a shadowy figure standing behind a certain door and a dark shape about the size of a person laying on its side on the floor. Neither were there if I looked directly. I tell you this because I think it proves I'm not an over imaginative fraidy-cat. I never encountered anything like it before or after. Niagara Falls, Ontario is very humid from the falls. They say that humidity helps sightings, but there were only shadows and once something floating through the air. Thankfully my present home is absolutely free of such stuff. Marko who has Scottish, Irish, Walloon, German and Slavic ancestry. What a mix for spook experiences!

>From Douglas list, I thought this might interest your list. Rod Smith Visit my family history site www.rod-smith.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:27 AM Subject: [Clan DOUGLAS] Re: Call to Arms! Heritage in Danger!!!!!! > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Cemetery > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/sGB.2ACIAE/1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > At the Douglas of > Cavers Estate in Cavers Scotland the property has been sold, the new people Mr & Mrs Bennet have put in a application to the planning board to have the Church and graveyard turned int a private house!!! In the Church is a Douglas vault, in the graveyard are many Douglas graves. The meeting with deadline for objections has been changed to ---- Tues 11 March 03. ------ This woman has offered to pass on any emails to this board, before the deadline. Jean Muir - [email protected] Also - Paul Allison who lives on the Estate is appalled , and say`s it is not Christen to disturb these graves. He say`s the planning board is totally disregarding the history of this "Special Place"[email protected] -------- Please take a minute and send an email - before Tues 11 March 03, it would be terrible to lose all this history!!!!! > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/03

What about the place names Cheviot, Branxholme, Cheviot, all names from the scottish borders, and Aberfeldy, Dunrobin from the highlands, Dunrobin Castle in Sutherland................Regards Rob Douglas. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R P Cant" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: [BORDER] Roxb names overseas > Hi listers, So far I don't see any responses from Aust....places in Victoria Aust are peppered with Scots names as so many pioneers in 1850-60's wished to remember those 'dear places' at 'home'. > How about 'Swinside' sheep station at Edenhope, 'Roxburgh' Model dairy Farm 1860-1948, Ballarat, my gg-grandfather's success story as a pioneer. I live in Berwick suburb, settled by dairyfarmers from Scotland, who named roads such as Clyde road, -well, not quite Roxburgh. > Robyn in Melbourne > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > Volunteer to transcribe for Berwickshire 1841 census > [email protected] > >

Last year I did an indepth (well, the best an American can do with small resources and a friend in Scotland) study of some of the Border Counties, concentrating on the Hastys, a group that had no clan nor sept. This is a bit of what I noted. Perhaps others are interested, as well. "Most scots left after the 1745 rebellion, well actually forced out by the English and their own country landowners during the Clearances.Then again in the 1860's." The above from my friend in Scotland. The followering from a book in my public library. Fraser, George MacDonald. "The Steel Bonnets." New York: Alfred A. Knopf. 1972. This is a history of the Border Countries, the counties that bordered south Scotland and north England. The book tells of the lawlessness of the reivers and Warders and their continual murderous raids, not only between the counties on either side, but also their own people. In addition, they often engaged in blood feuds that would last for generations. The book concentrated on the lawlessness of the "frontier" in the 16th and early 17th century. The Grahams, the group Frank Hastie claims is the clan the Hasties were attached to, were especially villified and feared. They lived in a particularly fertile valley which made them targets to all and with feuds and "riding" of their own, they had a bloody history. The English, after the ascension of James I, the son of Mary, Queen of Scots, to the English throne, deported and exported some of the Grahams to an area in unsettled Ireland where they failed at farming the land and harried the natives. Many escaped and returned to Scotland where they were once again apprehended. Many were not. "The chief sufferers along the whole line were the Grahams of Esk. They had been a thorn in the side of two kingdoms for as long as anyone could remember, and they paid for it terribly. yet they would certainly have suffered less if they had not been the owners of some of the most fertile land in all the Marches, on which Lord Cumberland had cast his eye. It was enough; submission would not suffice in the Grahams' case--they would have to go. "There followed one of the most comprehensive and cruel examples of race persecution in British history. "Attached to the proclamation [expelling the families] are the names of almost 100 Esk and Leven Grahams and their families." The book never specifically named HASTYs, but with Frank Hasty's help, I could place them in a specific place. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA, USA

How about Ft. Lauderdale,Fl? Not from Roxbugh?

I have just spent two very eventful days in Edinburgh Register House, after years trying to find lost relatives, I have nearly filled in all the gaps, but as I say one door closes two more open. If any of the fowling ring bell with any member I'd be more than happy to hear from them. So here goes William Elder m: Elizabeth Scott William died in Melrose 1881, when were they married Margaret Elder m: James Allan Margaret diedSouthdean 1877, " " Robert Elder m: Lillian Gunson in Moffat 1860 Elizabeth Elder m: Thomas Henderson in Ashkirk 1882 Elizabeth died at Oliver Crescent Hawick 1947 Agnes Elder m: William Henderson [brothers]St Giles Edinburgh 1909 Agnes died 1940 Hawick Walter Grieve Elder m: Elizabeth Stark in Ashkirk 1858 Walter died 1917 Hawick There is more but I do not want to over stay my welcome Bob

Hi List, Not only names of a place from Scotland but family names where also used. How about the City of Burnie Tasmania Aust. This city was named after William BURNIE from Dumfies, Scotland, who was a director of a firm known as Van Diesmen's Land Co. and resided in England . "History Of Burnie City" (as found on website www.burnie.net) Burnie was established by the Van Diemen's Land Co. in 1827 as a port to serve its vast inland pastoral holdings and for the first 100 years of settlement its progress was less than spectacular. Despite research of VDL Co. records and family research in the UK, little is known of William Burnie. Members of the Burnie family were mainly stonemasons, builders and farmers. He was born in Mochram, Scotland, in 1790, and apparently moved to London in the 1820's. Described as a 'proprietor' in the minute books of the VDL Co., he was elected to the Court of Directors in March 1829 and became Governor of the Court in August 1836. In the minutes of the Court of Directors it was noted that William Burnie had been disqualified as a Director because he had sold his sixty shares with a nominal of 60 000 pounds to James Bruce. Neither Williams Burnie nor any other early directors of the VDL Co. ever visited Tasmania. Hope that this will add a little colour to our list and perhaps start another interesting topic Hazy and Hot 84F in Southern Florida Regards Janet Burnie-McKnight Researching: Burnie, Carswell, Dobie, Forrest, Halliday, Hyslop, McKnight, in S/W Scotland and the England's and Senior's of England

Hi listers, So far I don't see any responses from Aust....places in Victoria Aust are peppered with Scots names as so many pioneers in 1850-60's wished to remember those 'dear places' at 'home'. How about 'Swinside' sheep station at Edenhope, 'Roxburgh' Model dairy Farm 1860-1948, Ballarat, my gg-grandfather's success story as a pioneer. I live in Berwick suburb, settled by dairyfarmers from Scotland, who named roads such as Clyde road, -well, not quite Roxburgh. Robyn in Melbourne

>From a register I ordered: Hope it helps somewhere.. Chris Bain 1791 June 5 John Ker and Isobel Atchinson irr. Jun 11 Geo(rge) Drummond and Alison Houliston William Melrose and _________ June 24 William Bone and Janet Turnbull July 17 James Brown and Janet Loch irr. Aug 11 Geo(rge) Melrose and Alison Brown Aug 24 Thomas Kerr and Alison Dickson irr. Robert Shiels and Isobel Lauder Dec 10 James Nisbit and Margaret Walker Dec17 William Atchison and Jean Blair John Luke and Mary Phillips irr. 1792 Feb 4 William Fairbairn and May Carter May 22 William Nisbit and Anne Spiers Jun 24 Thomas Curl and Jean (R)(K)inghorn irr. 1793 Jan 19 Alexander Sudden and Alison Sudden April 14 George Deans and Janet Belchies April 18 Thomas Turner and Marg(are)t Watherstone James Martin and Elisabeth Atchison irr. Robert Dickson and Anne Rutherford irr. James Lockie and M. Melros irr. May 16 John Swan and Isabel Mitchell James Waddell and Euphans Anderson Alexander Crosbie and Betty Dods irr.

Looking for information on the following line. Especially the second marriage to Helen Fairbairn. Thanks Chris Bain Westwood, MA USA 2. WILLIAM2 BONE (WILLIAM1) was born 1796 in Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Scotland, and died 6 Mar 1867 in Blackburn, Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland. He married (1) ELIZABETH RAE 10 Nov 1815 in Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Scotland. She was born 1790 in Coldstream/Greenlaw, and died 25 Jan 1855 in Blackburn, Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland. He married (2) HELEN FAIRBAIRN 29 Dec 1859 in Blackburn, Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland. She was born 1823. Children of WILLIAM BONE and ELIZABETH RAE are: i. WILLIAM3 BAIN, b. 1817; d. 1817. 5. ii. WILLIAM BAIN, b. 1820, Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Scotland; d. 3 Jul 1892, Redcliff, Waimate, New Zealand. iii. MARGARET BAIN, b. 1823. iv. JANET BAIN, b. 1824; d. 1824. 6. v. JANET BAIN, b. 1825, Greenlaw, Berwickshire, Scotland; d. 4 Oct 1896, Torwoodlee, Stow, Scotland. 7. vi. ALEXANDER BAIN, b. 1827, Scotland; d. 28 Dec 1860, Blackchester, Lauder Berwickshire, Scotland. Children of WILLIAM BONE and HELEN FAIRBAIRN are: vii. MARIANNE3 BONE, b. 31 May 1861, Lauder, Berwick, Scotland. viii. ALEXANDER BONE, b. 18 Mar 1864, Lauder, Berwick, Scotland. ix. FRANCIS WALTER BONE, b. 10 May 1867, Lauder, Berwick, Scotland.

>From: "Debbie Pratt" <[email protected]> > >My question is this; Would anyone have ever heard of a place called >"Greenlaw village"? I'm not sure where it is but I have a friend whose >mother was a Greenlaw (lived in Canada) and always claimed there was such a >place. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Debbie Pratt > Far from being a village, Greenlaw is the county town of Berwickshire. Have a look at the relevant area of Genuki here: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/BEW/Greenlaw/index.html Lesley Robertson _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Hi Debbie, If you would like to read some historical information regarding Greenlaw, go to http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/stat-acc-scot.asp I hope this helps. Lorraine >From: "Debbie Pratt" <[email protected]> > >My question is this; Would anyone have ever heard of a place called >"Greenlaw village"? I'm not sure where it is but I have a friend whose >mother was a Greenlaw (lived in Canada) and always claimed there was such a >place. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Debbie Pratt

Hi I am looking for a Denis TRAINER who was old enough to father a child in 1859. He and Jane KETLEY (various spellings include KETLAY, KEIGHTLEY, KETELAY, etc.) had a daughter, Margaret, Jan 17, 1859, in Kirkconnel, Dumfries. The two were not married; this was the fourth illegitimate child for Jane, with three different fathers. He may possibly have lived in Sanquhar; or just passing through the area. This is the only one of Jane's children that went by her surname; the others used their father's surname (HALLIDAY x 2, WELSH x1). Does anyone have any Denis TRAINERs who might be a possible here? Take care, Cindy

My question is this; Would anyone have ever heard of a place called "Greenlaw village"? I'm not sure where it is but I have a friend whose mother was a Greenlaw (lived in Canada) and always claimed there was such a place. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Debbie Pratt

>From an extract I ordered......... Proclamations May 12 Alexander Bone of this Parish and Mary Drummond of Eccles Parish May 18 George Vallence and Elizabeth Easton both of this Parish May 26 Mr David Wilson and Miss Isobel Wood both of this Parish June 10 Mathew Davidson and Joan Ramsey both of this Parish. Irreg lines dated 12 May June 17 George McLean and Mary Jaffrey both of this Parish. Ireg lines dated Coldstream 7th Dec 1826 Aug 12 Alexander Brownlee and Mary Ann Hood both of this Parish. irreg lines dated 28th July