Hi list members, I admit I have been completely overwhelmed by the response to my requests regarding my Family History. I will list what information I have,especially regarding John Ritchie and Isabella (Carlyle?) which seems to be the back bone of my current investigations. 1851 Census for Middlebie.(Transcription from my English cousin and since confirmed via Dumgal) Kirtlebridge: John Ritchie Head age 23 Farm Servant Born Annan M Isabella Wife 22 Gretna M Walter Son 1 Halfmorton S 1861 Census for Middlebie.(Transcription from cousin) Eaglesfield Sunnybrae: John Ritchie Head age 33 Carter Born Annan M Issabelle Wife 32 Kirkpatrick M Walter Son 12 Halfmorton S William S 10 Kirkpatrick S John S 7 Cumb.UK S James S 5 Middlebie S Thomas S 1 Middlebie S 1871 Census for Caldewgate,Carlisle,UK.(Transcription from cousin) 10 or 17 Peel St. Carlisle: John Ritchie Head age 44 Carter Born Scotland M Issabella Wife 43 " M Walter Son 22 Carter " S William Son 20 Carter " S James Son 14 school " S Thomas Son 11 " " S David Son 7 " Carlisle S Mary Dtr 1 Wens Mill? 1881 Census for Caldewgate,Carlisle,UK.(Family search.org etc.) 9 Byron St. Caldewgate: John Ritchie Head age 52 Labourer Born Scotland Isabella Wife 51 " Thomas Son 20 " " David Son 16 " Carlisle Robert Son 7 Scholar Carlisle Note: Walter (my Gr Grandfather),William & James had obviously moved on. I had not picked up on Jane Ritchie that a couple of people have suggested may belong. Walter had married Ann in 1872 (Carlisle 10b622).I have my grandfather's Marriage cert (1894),which lists Walter as Deceased & Carter by trade. I have a death for a Walter Ritchie (Carlisle 10b317) but the age,26,looks a year out. 1881 Census for Caldewgate. 49 Rigg Street, Caldewgate: Ann Ritchie Head age 28 Heddle knitter Born Carlisle Widow Tamar R Dtr 8 " * John R Son 6 " Elizabeth R Dtr 4 " *John Ritchie is my Grandfather. Notes: Regarding the Mary,listed in the 1871 Census at 1 yr old,I have a death in Dec.1874,at 4 the right age.(Carlisle 10b357) And then there are the elusive twins,Catharine & Isabella,Christened on 7th August,1853 at Carlisle,Christ Church (same church as John,Christened 15 Apr 1855),born to a John & Isabella Ritchie (IGI),after which they apparently vanished. I'd better leave it there or I'll completely squander my welcome.If I have missed any fine details of my info or have not quoted sources I apologise and plead ignorance. Ian Ritchie

Dear List Members, Please bear with me whilst I assimilate all the information sent via the list regarding my forbears. Some of It know whilst other info is very interesting but,at present,my brain is in overload. I've been used to meandering through snippets of info from time to time and suddenly I need three extra gears. My thanks to everyone. Ian Ritchie

Thanks Gwenda, I'm amazed by your rapid response and the depth of your information. I'm certainly living in amateur hour here with what I am managing to drag out of the Internet. My cousin (in uk) did tell me that the John Ritchie who married Isabella had the middle name of 'Lottimer' although I have been unable to locate a 'John' with that middle name. Now I'm wondering whether I'm following the correct John and,for that matter,the correct Isabella (Carlyle). I think you are pushing me back to the drawing board Gwenda. Do you get this information from the net or do you have access to a CD? When I was in Tassie a couple of years ago I spoke to a man who was giving a demo of black smithing in a tourist area near Port Arthur and he was very interested in the Scottish Lowlands from whence his forbears came. He said that his daughter (or grandaughter) was compiling a family history but,at that time,I wasn't interested enough to exchange names. Ian

James HUNTER & Mary DOD(D)S married in Stow village 1898, they may show in various places, including Co. Berwick, & Selkirk. Is anyone researching this family ? My direct line is John, the brother of Mary Dodds. Mary New Zealand.

This is my first contact with a mail list so I'll begin with a simple query. MyGreat Grandfather,Walter Ritchie,is listed in a marriage by FreeBMG but is quite alone on the page. I know his wife is called Ann but is there any way of connecting them or must I send for a marriage certificate and hope she is on there? I feel rather guilty asking for help without offering anything so I'll explain that I am researching the Ritchie family between the Annan area and Carlisle and have,thus far,traced John Ritchie and Isabella (Carlyle?)(married in Half Morton,1849) who had at least 8 children,including Walter listed above. I suspect they were also the parents of twins (Catharine & Isabella),born in 1853 in Carlisle,of whom I can find no further trace.They apparently didn't make it to the next census. John and three brothers were (presumably) the sons of Walter Ritchie and Martha Carruthers who lived at Allalee Farm in early 1800s. Earlier than this a John Ritchie of Battle Hill,Annan had 3 sons and 3 daughters but,to date,I have no proven connection to my tree. I shouldn't be to greedy for information but I'm sure everyone will understand. Ian Ritchie.

G'day Cobbers, The address below is for Cemeteries located in the Western District of Victoria and should help researchers with ancestors who migrated to this area. http://members.datafast.net.au/marrtronics/CEMINDEX.HTML Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, Eng. BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Kent, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, Eng BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT COKER - Rongatai, Wellington, NZ CROALL - Scotland > NZ CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, Eng. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, Eng>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, Eng. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), Eng. REYNOLDS - Cornwall, Eng. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON - New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, Eng. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: [email protected] My Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html Australian On-Line Surname List: http://www.users.on.net/proformat/ausnames.html Aussie Slang: http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/garden/386/kev.htm Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by VET anti-virus software

G'day Cobbers, Below are so deaths from the Victorian Pioneer Index 1837-1888: BRYCE AGNES SHARP ALEXANDER CUNNINGHAM AGNES SCOT 35 1873 5476 BRYCE AMELIA JEFFREY JAMES UNKNOWN MARGARET STIR 27 1867 7492 BRYCE ELIZABETH INNES ALEXANDER BANF 72 1870 8312 BRYCE ANNIE STIRLING JOHN MCCLELLAND JESSIE SCOT 3 1864 5846 BRYCE JAMES JAMES MILLER CATHERINE EDIN 34 1874 2955 BRYCE JAMES U FIFE 56 1871 3744 BRYCE CATHERINE MILLER ARCHIBAL GLAS 57 1870 8992 Hope this helps somebody. Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, Eng. BAILEY - Plymouth, Eng>New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ BALDWIN - Kent, Eng>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, Eng BIRCH - Yorkshire, Eng> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT BROWN - Wellington, NZ CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT COKER - Rongatai, Wellington, NZ CROALL - Scotland > NZ CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, Eng. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, Eng>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LANGDON - NZ LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, Eng. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), Eng. REYNOLDS - Cornwall, Eng. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WARBURTON - New Plymouth, Taranaki, NZ WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, Eng. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: [email protected] My Homepage: http://member.melbpc.org.au/~kennethb/ Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html Australian On-Line Surname List: http://www.users.on.net/proformat/ausnames.html Aussie Slang: http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/garden/386/kev.htm Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by VET anti-virus software

Hi Katherine, " Rutherfurds Southern Couties Register and Directory" originally published in 1866, was reprinted in 1990 by the Borders Regional Coucil and the Borders Regional Library. I think it is out of print but it is likely available in many of the libraries. It also might be available second hand at a second hand book site. It is a very useful publication since it contains descriptions of the communities. If you havent used it, another good site is the Statistical Acounts of Scotland that gives a good description of the communities: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi Cheerio, Jane-Ellen, [email protected] Doubt Family Pages: www.ocis.net/~jedoubt/

Many thanks to Nancy and Jane-Ellen who have helped me locate this part of my family's history. The William Scott referred to in Jane-Ellen's message was a son-in-law of my 3xgr-grandfather Francis Paterson, who died in 1868 at Timpendean Farm, according to the document viewed at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Would the Rutherford's Directory of 1866 be available for viewing by a visitor at either Register House or the National Library in Edinburgh? Katherine Vair Paterson Toronto, Ontario

Between Jedburgh and BonJedward is Timpenden Tower, the remains of a 16th century square tower. Rutherfurd's Directory of 1866 shows "SCOTT, William, Farmer, Timpendean". There are some photos of the tower and Timpendean farm on www.scran.ac.uk Hope this helps Cheerio, Jane-Ellen, [email protected] Doubt Family Pages: www.ocis.net/~jedoubt/

Does any reader recognize the name Tempendean in relation to the Jedburgh area in mid to late 1800s? The word appears as the residence, or location of residence, for some of my Paterson ancestors on various certificates of birth, marriage, or death available through the Register House website. Any information will be appreciated. Katherine Vair Paterson

Looking for descendants of Andrew and Isabella Watson. Children on 1881 census were:Agnes 14, Catherine 11,Isabella 11,Mary 9, and James 7 years. James may have had 2 daughters. I am also still hoping someone may be able to help me obtain photos or depictions of Paxton in the 19th century. Any suggestions welcome. Mary N.

Hi Mary I wonder if there could be any connexion between our families. My 3xgreat-grandmother was Ann (or Agnes depending which record you read) EASTON born about 1787 at Cornhill (according to Census Returns). She married Charles BLYTH - don't know where or exactly when but they had the following children: James BLYTH born 1811 North Learmouth Eleanor BLYTH born 1814 Paston Jane BLYTH born 1816 Mardon Jessie BLYTH born 1820 Newbiggin, Norham Stephen BLYTH born 1822 Sunnilaws John BLYTH born 1824 Newbiggin, Norham James BLYTH born 1825 Ancroft George BLYTH born 1828 Thornton Isabella BLYTH born 1831 Norham (my 2xgreat-grandmother) As you can see some of the names of Ann's children are similar to your family - James and John - also the Jessie you mentioned you had found. Ann was probably the right age to be a sister to John. I have been unable to find a baptism for Ann - although I do know that her father was named Stephen from baptisms of some of her children at Crookham Presbyterian Church. Also baptised at Crookham during the 1820s were children to a William SMITH and his wife Elizabeth, daughter of Stephen EASTON, who I presume was a sister to my Ann. I am presuming Ann and Elizabeth EASTON were presbyterian and that is why I am having difficulty finding baptisms. I did find a couple of burial entries in the Cornhill registers for a Mark (1783) son of Stephen EASTIN, Tilmouth and William (1791) son of Steven EASTEN, Cornhill - which suggests they may have been brothers to my Ann. I would welcome your thoughts on this I have been stuck with this line for a few years now. Did your John have any other children - are any of the names similar to the BLYTH names above? By the way Learmouth (East and West) is just South of Cornhill, I think in Carham Parish and Hagg is a little further South again. Best wishes Jane Glass Alnwick -----Original Message----- From: Gary Newbery <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 18 May 2003 22:48 Subject: [BORDER] Old Learmouth >I am still trying to establish the origins of my Eastons north of the Border. >My great grandfather James was baptised at Cornhill in April 1819. His parents John and Elizabeth were said to be from Old Learmouth. Can anyone tell me where that was or is, please? >I don't know if there is any connection but in an earlier baptism entry in 1815 a Scott Easton was listed as son of Jesse Easton , single, a woman of Haig in the Parish of Carham. Any thoughts on either entry welcomed, >Mary N. > > > > > >==== BORDER Mailing List ==== >Volunteer to transcribe for Berwickshire 1841 census >[email protected] > >

Apologies for sending a message to Forrest Manning that was meant to be sent elsewhere. Rosemary Richardson --------------------- London, UK [email protected]

Hi Douglas are you related to Walter RUTHERFORD sen and jun who both farmed at Crailing Tofts nr Jedburgh? Judy ---------- >From: "Douglas Baldwin" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BORDER] RUTHERFORD; WALLACE; DOUGLAS; JOHNSON >Date: Mon, May 19, 2003, 4:42 pm > > Walter Rutherford (son of John above) married Janet Johnson at > Cockburnspath Parish in 1841.

I am new to the list. Has there been discussion on any of these surnames: Rutherford; Douglas; Wallace; Johnson? So far these relatives all seem to be from Berwickshire, Scotland. Looking for the marriage of John Rutherford (b 1783?) and Isabella Douglas (came to Canada in about 1837 with 8/9 kids).... where they lived, children Walter Rutherford (son of John above) married Janet Johnson at Cockburnspath Parish in 1841. Were there Wallaces in the borders region? A couple Wallaces married Rutherfords in Canada. I can't find the origin of the Wallaces so thought they might have come from the same regions of Scotland. Thanks Doug Baldwin Saginaw, Michigan USA

I am still trying to establish the origins of my Eastons north of the Border. My great grandfather James was baptised at Cornhill in April 1819. His parents John and Elizabeth were said to be from Old Learmouth. Can anyone tell me where that was or is, please? I don't know if there is any connection but in an earlier baptism entry in 1815 a Scott Easton was listed as son of Jesse Easton , single, a woman of Haig in the Parish of Carham. Any thoughts on either entry welcomed, Mary N.

Forrest, Greetings from London. I'm not sure whether I had the will of Joseph Manning (born Thrapston, Northants, lived most of his life and died in Spalding, Lincs 1773). He was a gardener who left use of his cottage to his housekeeper for life, then to Thomas Bullen of Ringstead, Northants. At Northampton Records Office I looked at Thrapston parish records, but the quality of the film was dismal. I hope soon to see the film held at the Soc. of Genealogists library in London. If anything of interest crops up, I will surely be in touch. It has been a tough week with the bombings in Saudi Arabia and Morocco. One of Ian's cousins lived in one of the compounds in Riyadh that was bombed. He was not injured, although his apartment was only 200 yards from the explosion. Ian flies back to Australia this week to visit his elderly mother and many relatives. His mother and my father were from families of ten, which have multiplied several fold. Time for the BBC Ten O'Clock News (the main bulletin of the day). Good wishes Rosemary --------------------- London, UK [email protected]

Hello Everybody and thank you to those who have found the URL that follows useful - a number of you already have - if my mail box is anything to go by. So here it is once again http://www.censusfinder.com/england.htm There are by no means entries for every County but there is enough for a good read. (Try the Scrapbook page) There are also other useful links from this site inc. the Leicester Universtity site that has many old trade directories which are searchable and a link to the Domesday Book. However in answer to the lister below I can only assume that the correct URL was not used (make sure you have .com/england.htm) and NOT ancestry.com Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. Regards AudreyM Norm's comments are as follows --------------- My comment to this suggestion is: "Right, if you believe purple cows in pink polka dotted tights jump over the moon every second Sunday in La La Land......." Ancestry.com gives away NADA, nuthin, zip.....You pay and you pay and then you pay some more. Search the archives, and buyer beware!!!!! I speak from agonizing experience.. Norm Cardinale USA

Hi Everybody. Thought the following site might be of interest to someone http://www.censusfinder.com/england.htm Regards AudreyM