1851 census shows the following: Jedbank - Mr CRAIGIE, advocate and Sheriff Substitute -a very big cheese) Bankhead - Mr STEDMAN, JP, slightly smaller cheese but still plump and tasty Bankend Mary (?) THOMAS head, unmarried 50 years old, a gardener and small farmer, born Lilliesleaf Robina, sister, unmarried, 45 years old, same occupation. Birthplace looks like Bowden, Rox Jessy, niece aged 8 'at school' bn Galashiels Then the enumerator moved on to Old Bridge End ie back into town. One look at the census isnt really enough to be absolutely sure but I think if there had been other bits of Bankend in with the Bongate books I would have noticed. It does seem like it was just the one dwelling (in 1851). What it does seem to show is that you could get from Bankhead to Bankend. I was wondering if the postcard shows any red sandstone cliffs in the background. Judy

Sorry if I appear to ramble, please bear with me! Can anyone help with a recent avenue of research? I'm trying to find my maternal line of CAVERS in Scotland. My 3rd great grandfather was Walter CAVERS who moved from Scotland to Nottingham by 1826, marrying Jane MARTIN in that year. They had ten children, some stayed in Nottingham, (my line) but most moved to London between 1861 & his death in 1873 in Islington (he ran a business as a wholesale Milliner, and most of the female children were Milliners). On the 1881 census, his daughter, Agnes, living at 48 Kiver Rd, London, has her niece Lizzie from Nottingham living with her, also, Willie L CAVERS, born in London (male, but down on the transcript as niece!!!) (Jane is in London, again wrong transcript as Jane COVERS, living with her son's family, Robert) I've got Willie's marriage cert, giving his father as George Scott CAVERS, and a middle name of Langton, a search of IGI, gives a marriage of George Scott CAVERS & Mary LANGTON in Hawick 8th Sep 1875. If, as the 1881 census supposes, there is a family link from Willie to Agnes, to find out more on George's ancestors might give me the parents of Walter in Scotland (his death cert suggests he was born 1795) Has anyone anything on either Walter or George? IGI has a christening of a Walter in 1st Aug 1796 Kirkton, to another Walter, and one in Kirkton again, 30th Jun 1799 to James CAVERS, nothing else comes close. Rod Smith --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03

Sorry if I appear to ramble, please bear with me! Can anyone help with a recent avenue of research? I'm trying to find my maternal line of CAVERS in Scotland. My 3rd great grandfather was Walter CAVERS who moved from Scotland to Nottingham by 1826, marrying Jane MARTIN in that year. They had ten children, some stayed in Nottingham, (my line) but most moved to London between 1861 & his death in 1873 in Islington (he ran a business as a wholesale Milliner, and most of the female children were Milliners). On the 1881 census, his daughter, Agnes, living at 48 Kiver Rd, London, has her niece Lizzie from Nottingham living with her, also, Willie L CAVERS, born in London (male, but down on the transcript as niece!!!) (Jane is in London, again wrong transcript as Jane COVERS, living with her son's family, Robert) I've got Willie's marriage cert, giving his father as George Scott CAVERS, and a middle name of Langton, a search of IGI, gives a marriage of George Scott CAVERS & Mary LANGTON in Hawick 8th Sep 1875. If, as the 1881 census supposes, there is a family link from Willie to Agnes, to find out more on George's ancestors might give me the parents of Walter in Scotland (his death cert suggests he was born 1795) Has anyone anything on either Walter or George? IGI has a christening of a Walter in 1st Aug 1796 Kirkton, to another Walter, and one in Kirkton again, 30th Jun 1799 to James CAVERS, nothing else comes close. Rod Smith --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03

Regarding the mention of the surnames SMAIL and TURNBULL in reference to the JEDBURGH area - My grgrgrandfather's youngest sister Susan PATERSON married John SMAIL on 24 June 1868 at Jedburgh. Their known & documented children were: Thomas SMAIL b. 1 Jan 1872 Kelso Ellen Clark SMAIL b. 22 Dec 1873 Kelso Francis SMAIL b. 5 Dec 1875 Kelso Mary SMAIL b. 27 Feb 1877 Kelso Another sister Agnes PATERSON married Andrew JOHNSTONE on 16 May 1856 at Jedburgh. Of their seven known & documented children, two married persons named TURNBULL: Francis(Frank) JOHNSTON b. 6 Jun 1856 Jedburgh, married Catherine TURNBULL b. 20 Apr 1863 Morebattle, on 5 Mar 1886 at Eckford Ellen(Helen) JOHNSTON b. 27 Apr 1863, Eckford, married Walter Turnbull b. abt Mar 1859 Morebattle, on 11 Feb 1887 at Eckford. Catherine Turnbull and Walter Turnbull were siblings. Any information on these individuals, their descendants, or general information on the SMAIL and TURNBULL families of the Jedburgh area, would be appreciated. Katherine Paterson Toronto, Canada Previous message ---- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BORDER] Bankend - was "JEDBURGH" Jim, see my other message for a description of the location of the cottage. A for the postcard you are right, it would be much later than 1877 due to legal restrictions - basically postcards as we know then didn't exist at the time. Local postcard publishers included the Smails, and Turnbulls, who took over their shop. Also Clappertons - and national firms like Valentine of Dundee. Judy

Many thanks to all who have sent information about Bankend, especially Judy and Roy and Alan. Greetings. Arthur.

hi gary its the length of a bit of string question really a) the missing bit is Georges occupation innit? This could give a clue as to what area he might have moved to, also the chance to find him in directories. b) any family events during the years in question? Example - if George was informant on the death cert of one of his parents. cheers Judy ---------- >From: Gary Carruthers <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BORDER] Census >Date: 31, Sun Aug, 2003, 8:07 am > > Hi List, > > I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > "somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? > So far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > 1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > 1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > 1831-1860 - ????? > 1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > 1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > The names in question are: > > George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > Children: > Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > Your advice would be appreciated. > > Regards > Gary Carruthers > Australia > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We > also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, > Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria >

Have you tried the 1851 Census for Dumfries and Galloway. http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_searchresu lts.asp Boyd In message <[email protected]>, Gary Carruthers <[email protected]> writes >Hi List, > >I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family >"somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? So >far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > >1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries >1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries >1831-1860 - ????? >1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr >1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > >The names in question are: > >George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo >Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben >Children: >Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo >Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale >William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale >Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > >Your advice would be appreciated. > >Regards >Gary Carruthers >Australia > >______________________________ -- boyd

Jim, see my other message for a description of the location of the cottage. A for the postcard you are right, it would be much later than 1877 due to legal restrictions - basically postcards as we know then didn't exist at the time. Local postcard publishers included the Smails, and Turnbulls, who took over their shop. Also Clappertons - and national firms like Valentine of Dundee. Judy ---------- >From: <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Re: [BORDER] JEDBURGH >Date: 31, Sun Aug, 2003, 1:55 am > > I have an old postcard showing a bridge crossing a stream and it is > imprinted with "Bankend, the home of Thomas Davidson 'The Scottish > Probationer'" The death certificate I have for Thomas lists Jedburgh, and > he is buried in Jedburgh. He died approximately 1877 (I'm too lazy to look > it up at the moment), but the postcard appears to be from a later date. It > was never used or dated. I, too, am a little curious about the location; > if anything further develops, would you please let me know? > Thank you, > Jim Richardson

hi all I have dug out the Alan Godfrey map of Jedburgh (1895). This shows Bankend on the northern side of the Jed as it sweeps past the Bongate Mills. Difficult to work it out as there are no contour lines and the map is in three bits, but I think if you went up Sickmans Path from the Anna and up past the house marked as Jedbank., then Bankhead - Bankend was just to the east. But according to the map you would actually reach it from the other side of the river - by heading round from the Bongate, past the Bongate Mill, along the path between the Jed and the mill lade and then over a footbridge. There seems to be a cottage and a couple of sheds hard by the footbridge, Bankend being a fairly substantial dwelling a bit further on. Sunnyside and Bellevue are directly to the north. Sickmans Path is still there, starting from the Episcopalian Church, dont know about any of the houses mentioned. Now of course none of this contradicts what Roy and Mike are saying about the Woollen mill/station area but the actual dwelling is a reasonable step away. I am pretty sure you could use the description I have given to find the cottage on the old-maps site. It sounds pretty much like the description on the pc. Judy ---------- >From: "Roy G. Perkins" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BORDER] BANKEND, Jedburgh. >Date: 31, Sun Aug, 2003, 11:21 am > > Hi there, > > Bankend was where the lowest bridge crosses the Jed, hard by where the > station was. The site is now occupied by Mainetti's I believe. > > Regards > > Roy > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We > also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, > Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria >

Hi List, I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family "somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? So far I have found their whereabouts between the years : 1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries 1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries 1831-1860 - ????? 1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr 1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries The names in question are: George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben Children: Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale Your advice would be appreciated. Regards Gary Carruthers Australia

I did a search on Google.com for Bankend Jedburgh, and there are quite a lot of entries there, including a lot of information on Thomas Davidson. The present site of the Edinbrugh Woollen Mills on the A68 St.Boswells/Jedburgh road is described as being in the Bankend area of Jedburgh. Best regards - Mike Penrith, NSW, Australia

Hi there, Bankend was where the lowest bridge crosses the Jed, hard by where the station was. The site is now occupied by Mainetti's I believe. Regards Roy

I have an old postcard showing a bridge crossing a stream and it is imprinted with "Bankend, the home of Thomas Davidson 'The Scottish Probationer'" The death certificate I have for Thomas lists Jedburgh, and he is buried in Jedburgh. He died approximately 1877 (I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment), but the postcard appears to be from a later date. It was never used or dated. I, too, am a little curious about the location; if anything further develops, would you please let me know? Thank you, Jim Richardson > > From: "Christine and Alan Reid" <[email protected]> > Date: 2003/08/30 Sat AM 04:28:47 PDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BORDER] JEDBURGH > > Hundalee is at 645187 > Hunthill is at 666192 > Bankend - I'm afraid I don't recognise this one. > Edgerston is an area - a quoad sacra parish in fact - Edgerston church is at > 684117. Edgerston, Edgerston Tofts and Edgerston Mill are to the east, and > Edgerston Rig to the west of this point. > Fernington - I don't recognise and can't find this. There is Ferniehirst > at 653181 or Fairnington at 645280. > Hope that helps, > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:55 AM > Subject: [BORDER] JEDBURGH > > > > I'm told that the main Rutherford families around Jedburgh were at > Hundalee, > > Hunthill, Bankend, Edgerston and Fernington. > > > > Would some kind Lister give me O.S. Grid References for these 5 places or > > directions and distance from Jedburgh ? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Arthur Rutherford. > > Poole, Dorset. > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > *****************August Theme*********************** > Brick Walls. Post yours!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >

Hundalee is at 645187 Hunthill is at 666192 Bankend - I'm afraid I don't recognise this one. Edgerston is an area - a quoad sacra parish in fact - Edgerston church is at 684117. Edgerston, Edgerston Tofts and Edgerston Mill are to the east, and Edgerston Rig to the west of this point. Fernington - I don't recognise and can't find this. There is Ferniehirst at 653181 or Fairnington at 645280. Hope that helps, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: [BORDER] JEDBURGH > I'm told that the main Rutherford families around Jedburgh were at Hundalee, > Hunthill, Bankend, Edgerston and Fernington. > > Would some kind Lister give me O.S. Grid References for these 5 places or > directions and distance from Jedburgh ? > > Many thanks. > > Arthur Rutherford. > Poole, Dorset. >

I'm told that the main Rutherford families around Jedburgh were at Hundalee, Hunthill, Bankend, Edgerston and Fernington. Would some kind Lister give me O.S. Grid References for these 5 places or directions and distance from Jedburgh ? Many thanks. Arthur Rutherford. Poole, Dorset.

Seeking info on William JACKSON, Hallgreen, Canonbie, SCT. [email protected] 1796 in Scotland, border area, or area of Carlisle, Cumbria, Eng. , died late Sept./early Oct. 1833 age 37 - drowned while fishing in the river Esk with his brother. Married, Dec. 1821, left behind widow, Helen ARMSTRONG, Hallgreen, Canonbie, SCT and 4 small boys, John, Andrew and Archibald ( twins b. May 5, 1825) and William ( b @1830). Andrew (my g-grandfather) and Archibald emigrated to St. John, New Brunswick, Canada. Thank you. Beth Manners

Thank you to all those Listers who have sent their research on their Rutherford family to me. I cannot find any direct link with my family yet but there is plenty of research for me to work on. How elusive the Walter and Andrew Rutherfords are, and how much more elusive are the females in the Rutherford family ! Jean Scot m. abt. 1754, Mary Bell m. abt. 1773, Janet Farries m. abt. 1800 and Janet Jardine m. abt. 1806. Maybe the next approach should be to look at the Church Records, if any. Greetings and thanks. Arthur Rutherford.

If someone has the census for 1861/1871 for this area would you please look up for John and William Anderson. In my search in other areas I can not find them . THANKS Wally Anderson

----- Original Message ----- From: Joy and Mike To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: TEMPLE I am trying to overcome a "brick-wall" in my quest to further research my family line, which appears to cross over from Northumberland into Roxburghshire around 1765/1775. My G/G.Grandfather George Temple, a husbandman of Camphouse, Jedburgh parish, married Isabel Dagleash at St.Cuthberts church, Elsdon, Northumberland 31/5/1801. Also a John Temple (very possibly George's brother), a farmer of Camphouse, Jedburgh parish married a Mary --------of Camptown, Jedburgh parish around 1795/96. Both George and John and their families lived at Rochester in North Northumberland from then on and had their children baptised at Birdhope Craig Presbyterian church at Rochester. Both George and John and their wives died in the area and were buried at St. Francis chapel at Byrness, which is a few miles North of Rochester. This chapel burial ground was a known place of burial for Presbyterians. If any lister can help or has any suggestions about trying to identify the birth place/parents/siblings of George and John, I'd be obliged for the assistance. Having visited the area previously, Camphouse is a farm and Camptown a small village a few hundred yards from Camphouse farm. Mike Temple, Spain.

I am researching the Rutherford family from Jedburgh. It has just been mentioned to me that Margaret Baxter of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada has researched this family and I wonder if she is a member of this Border Rootsweb group. I would love to hear from her or from anyone who knows her. If any lister can help I would be grateful. Arthur Rutherford.