This sounds very much like the unnamed structure shown on the 1895 map beside the footbridge. The earlier map only shows the larger house with the word Bankend. The 1823 John Wood map I have on my wall behind my desk (why didnt I think of turning round!) shows the large house just at the very top of the plan. (I believe you can see this map online at the National Library of Scotland site) By comparing the oldmaps map and the 1895 one I think the Jed might have moved a bit, so reducing the area between the river and the hill. The women on the 1851 census are shown as gardeners if you recall, which I took to mean market gardeners. I think its the oldmaps map which shows what looks like orchards. Your boxy building is probably one of the gentlemans residences in the area - no churches I can think of. The early 18thC style was fairly square and severe looking. If you can send a scan off list I can compare the pic to the maps. [email protected] cheers Judy ---------- >From: "Jim Richardson" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BORDER] Re: Bankend, Jedburgh >Date: 06, Sat Sep, 2003, 3:09 pm > > Upon arriving home, I pulled out my postcard of Bankend and discovered that > I should not trust my memory! It is postmarked "JA 1 04 6 30PM > JEDBURGH" It shows a small bridge crossing a stream. Behind the bridge, > along the stream edge is a 2 story house with what appears to be a cow byre > attached. This is at the base of a small wooded and shrub hill. At the top > of the hill is another set of buildings, one of which may be a church, from > its rather 'boxed' look. No red sandstone, just a rolling hill. My book on > Thomas Davidson, who passed away at Bankend make references to orchards, > apple and pear trees surrounding the place.snip >

I have a list of Births and Baptisms at Jedburgh from the NAS Ref. CH/350/3 f26r If any one recognises a child and parents in their research, I will be happy to send them a scanned copy of the page. The page covers Baptisms between 23rd. June and 29th Sept. 1754 (Spelling as written) William Oliver and Mary Brown : Son George born May 24 Bapt June 23 James Rankine and Hellene Mader : Daughter Ann born Bapt July10 Andrew Murdock and Janat Hall: Daughter Mary born July 4 Bapt July 10 Thomas Bethel and Christian Scot: Daughter Janate born June 24 Bapt July 4 Andrew Rutherfurd and Jean Scot: Son Walter born July 5 Bapt July 14 William Bell and : Son Andrew Bapt July 24 Andrew Roul and Bettie Rogger: Daughter Hellene born June 3rd Bapt July 24 John Blaikie and Margaret Riddell: Son? Francis born July 23 Bapt July 29 George Oliver and Agnes Hubbard: Daughter Elizabeth born Sep 13 Bapt 29 Sep Robert and Rachel Woods: Daughter Elizabeth born Aug 28 Bapt 29 Sept Adam Robson : Daughter Jean born Bapt 29 Sept John Sumner and Janat Brown: Son Alexander born Sept 20 Bapt 29 Sept. Many thanks. Arthur Rutherford.

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Upon arriving home, I pulled out my postcard of Bankend and discovered that I should not trust my memory! It is postmarked "JA 1 04 6 30PM JEDBURGH" It shows a small bridge crossing a stream. Behind the bridge, along the stream edge is a 2 story house with what appears to be a cow byre attached. This is at the base of a small wooded and shrub hill. At the top of the hill is another set of buildings, one of which may be a church, from its rather 'boxed' look. No red sandstone, just a rolling hill. My book on Thomas Davidson, who passed away at Bankend make references to orchards, apple and pear trees surrounding the place. If you would like a scanned photo sent as an attachment, just let me know where to send it. Best wishes, Jim Richardson e-mail : [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: J A Olsen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:47 AM Subject: Bankend, Jedburgh > > 1851 census shows the following: > > Jedbank - Mr CRAIGIE, advocate and Sheriff Substitute -a very big cheese) > > Bankhead - Mr STEDMAN, JP, slightly smaller cheese but still plump and tasty > > Bankend > > Mary (?) THOMAS head, unmarried 50 years old, a gardener and small farmer, > born Lilliesleaf > > Robina, sister, unmarried, 45 years old, same occupation. Birthplace looks > like Bowden, Rox > > Jessy, niece aged 8 'at school' bn Galashiels > > > Then the enumerator moved on to Old Bridge End ie back into town. > > One look at the census isnt really enough to be absolutely sure but I think > if there had been other bits of Bankend in with the Bongate books I would > have noticed. It does seem like it was just the one dwelling (in 1851). > > What it does seem to show is that you could get from Bankhead to Bankend. I > was wondering if the postcard shows any red sandstone cliffs in the > background. > > > > Judy >

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Hello There I have just accessed the Dumfries and Galloway site using these URL's without any problems <A HREF="http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp#search"> http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp#search</A> which takes you directly to search page or <A HREF="http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/dumgal/dgchome.asp">http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/dumgal/dgchome.asp</A> which is the home page. <A HREF="http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/">http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/</A> Works equally as well. Regards AudreyM.

The only two places in the 1851 census for Jedburgh parish ending "haugh" are Linthaugh and Roundhaugh. Can provide approximate locations within parish and/or Ordnance Survey grid references if needed. Hope this helps, Graham Maxwell Annan, Scotland

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Just had a look at a couple of mid 19thC almanacs and found some senior police officers mentioned - in one case a Superindendent of Police - sadly not yours. This was an Edinburgh almanac without much info for the western counties. Again, makes me wonder if the researcher you mention could have dug a little deeper!! Judy ---------- >From: Gary Carruthers <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BORDER] Census >Date: 02, Tue Sep, 2003, 11:46 pm > > Hi Judy, > George was a Rural Police Officer and in the 1861 census for Mauchline he > was Superintendent of Police. snip

Can people please edit previous posts when responding/sending to the list? Those of us on Digest mode find the email huge in size and hard to sort out the new posts from the original posts. Thanks much!

DICKSON/RENTON Hello List... Would anyone have information please on the marriage of George Dickson and Margaret Renton - married 19 March 1872 in Swinton and Simpron. I actually need the correct birth date of Margaret Renton and also if their children were William (3/4/1873) John (25/7/1874, Patrick, Alexander, Agnes, Margaret, and Isabella. I have Margaret's parents as William Renton 1819/1896 and Janet Bain 1825/1896 but no information on George Dickson. Thanks for any replies. Beryl Renton in Brisbane

Please help !! I have just obtained a copy of a birth extract from the National Archives of Scotland of Walter Rutherfurd, but I need help to decipher the name of the place. The photocopy reads : Andrew Rutherfurd and Jean (not very clear) Scot in ***dhaugh*** had a child baptised by the Re. Mr. John Smith Minister of the Gospel at Jedburgh named Walter. Born July 5th. 1754. Baptised July 14th. 1754. The first 3 letters in the place name could be : hun then dhaugh then *** I would be very grateful for help and also an indication of where the place is in relation to Jedburgh. Arthur Rutherford

Hi Gary I looked back at early emails to the D&G list and see that you have already been down the route of searching for police records. A researcher told you that all the records had been sent to a central repository and lost. I thought this was a bit sweeping so I searched the NRA database and found:   GB/NNAF/O45863   Dumfries police Dumfries, Dumfriesshire 1811-1970 : commissioners of police and police committee minutes, accounts       Dumfries and Galloway Archives       Reference : WD3/1-11;WA4/1-5;RE3/16-24       NRA 31757 Dumfries 1 record noted. does not compute! quite apart from the committee records, local police turn up in newspaper accounts, in directories etc. A Superintendent of Police was an important guy in a small community. He would probably been a member of other things - a church elder being the most obvious. I did a little bit of work on this subject last year and suspect he might have been appointed when the county force was formed in which case the chances of a mention in the newspapers or in the county council records would also be high. Judy >

Hi Judy, George was a Rural Police Officer and in the 1861 census for Mauchline he was Superintendent of Police. His parents died back in Dryfesdale, Dumfries in 1825 and 1827. He had one more son born at Dryfesdale in 1829 after which time George and his family (with the exception of his eldest son Walter Carlyle Carruthers who remained in Middlebie, Dumfries) disappeared until the 1861 census above. Thanks for the tips ... Regards Gary Carruthers ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 1 September 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Census > hi gary > > its the length of a bit of string question really > > a) the missing bit is Georges occupation innit? This could give a clue as to > what area he might have moved to, also the chance to find him in > directories. > > b) any family events during the years in question? > > Example - if George was informant on the death cert of one of his parents. > > > > > cheers > > > Judy > > > > > ---------- > >From: Gary Carruthers <[email protected]> > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [BORDER] Census > >Date: 31, Sun Aug, 2003, 8:07 am > > > > > Hi List, > > > > I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > > "somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? > > So far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > > > 1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > > 1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > > 1831-1860 - ????? > > 1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > > 1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > > > The names in question are: > > > > George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > > Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > > Children: > > Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > > Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > > William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > > Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > > > Your advice would be appreciated. > > > > Regards > > Gary Carruthers > > Australia > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We > > also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, > > Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria >

Hi Boyd, Yes, I certainly have - no record anywhere for the period 1831-1860 of this family group, except Walter Carlyle Carruthers and his family who stayed in Dumfries. Thanks anyway. Regards Gary Carruthers ----- Original Message ----- From: "boyd" <[email protected]> To: "Gary Carruthers" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 1 September 2003 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [BORDER] Census > Have you tried the 1851 Census for Dumfries and Galloway. > http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_searchresu > lts.asp > > Boyd > > In message <[email protected]>, Gary Carruthers > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi List, > > > >I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > >"somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? So > >far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > > >1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > >1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > >1831-1860 - ????? > >1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > >1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > > >The names in question are: > > > >George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > >Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > >Children: > >Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > >Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > >William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > >Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > > >Your advice would be appreciated. > > > >Regards > >Gary Carruthers > >Australia > > > >______________________________ > > -- > boyd

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Just want to say thanks for all the great responses and info, especially from Mike and Roy regarding Bankend. I am out of town this week, but when I get home, I will look for the detail of the photo for cliffs, etc. Thanks again, Jim > was wondering if the postcard shows any red sandstone cliffs in the > background. > > > > Judy >

It works for me. You have to wait till the page loads then go to Historical Indexes Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: [BORDER] Re: BORDER-D Digest V03 #139 > > > I couldn't get the link to the 1851 census to work. Any ideas? > > Marcus McCullough > > > Wrom: SCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZA > > Date: 2003/09/02 Tue AM 03:00:04 GMT+00:00 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: BORDER-D Digest V03 #139 > > > > BORDER-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 139 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 Re: [BORDER] Census [boyd <[email protected]>] > > #2 Re: [BORDER] Census ["J A Olsen" <[email protected]>] > > #3 [BORDER] CAVERS in Hawick ["Rod Smith" <[email protected]>] > > #4 [BORDER] Re: BANKEND BORDER-D Dige [[email protected]] > > #5 [BORDER] Smail & Turnbull [Katherine Paterson <[email protected]] > > #6 [BORDER] George Scott CAVERS ["Rod Smith" <[email protected]>] > > > > Administrivia: > > To unsubscribe from BORDER-D, send a message to > > > > [email protected] > > > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > > > unsubscribe > > > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > > > ______________________________ > > Have you tried the 1851 Census for Dumfries and Galloway. > > http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_searchresu > > lts.asp > > > > Boyd > > > > In message <[email protected]>, Gary Carruthers > > <[email protected]> writes > > >Hi List, > > > > > >I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > > >"somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? So > > >far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > > > > >1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > > >1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > > >1831-1860 - ????? > > >1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > > >1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > > > > >The names in question are: > > > > > >George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > > >Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > > >Children: > > >Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > > >Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > > >William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > > >Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > > > > >Your advice would be appreciated. > > > > > >Regards > > >Gary Carruthers > > >Australia > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > -- > > boyd > > > > ______________________________ > > hi gary > > > > its the length of a bit of string question really > > > > a) the missing bit is Georges occupation innit? This could give a clue as to > > what area he might have moved to, also the chance to find him in > > directories. > > > > b) any family events during the years in question? > > > > Example - if George was informant on the death cert of one of his parents. > > > > > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > >Wrom: AFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYI > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: [BORDER] Census > > >Date: 31, Sun Aug, 2003, 8:07 am > > > > > > > > Hi List, > > > > > > I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > > > "somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? > > > So far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > > > > > 1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > > > 1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > > > 1831-1860 - ????? > > > 1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > > > 1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > > > > > The names in question are: > > > > > > George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > > > Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > > > Children: > > > Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > > > Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > > > William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > > > Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > > > > > Your advice would be appreciated. > > > > > > Regards > > > Gary Carruthers > > > Australia > > > > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We > > > also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, > > > Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria > > > > > > > ______________________________ > > Sorry if I appear to ramble, please bear with me! > > > > Can anyone help with a recent avenue of research? > > > > I'm trying to find my maternal line of CAVERS in Scotland. > > My 3rd great grandfather was Walter CAVERS who moved from Scotland to > > Nottingham by 1826, marrying Jane MARTIN in that year. > > They had ten children, some stayed in Nottingham, (my line) but most moved > > to London between 1861 & his death in 1873 in Islington (he ran a business > > as a wholesale Milliner, and most of the female children were Milliners). > > On the 1881 census, his daughter, Agnes, living at 48 Kiver Rd, London, has > > her niece Lizzie from Nottingham living with her, also, Willie L CAVERS, > > born in London (male, but down on the transcript as niece!!!) (Jane is in > > London, again wrong transcript as Jane COVERS, living with her son's family, > > Robert) > > I've got Willie's marriage cert, giving his father as George Scott CAVERS, > > and a middle name of Langton, a search of IGI, gives a marriage of George > > Scott CAVERS & Mary LANGTON in Hawick 8th Sep 1875. > > If, as the 1881 census supposes, there is a family link from Willie to > > Agnes, to find out more on George's ancestors might give me the parents of > > Walter in Scotland (his death cert suggests he was born 1795) > > Has anyone anything on either Walter or George? > > IGI has a christening of a Walter in 1st Aug 1796 Kirkton, to another > > Walter, and one in Kirkton again, 30th Jun 1799 to James CAVERS, nothing > > else comes close. > > > > Rod Smith > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 > > > > ______________________________ > > Many thanks to all who have sent information about Bankend, especially Judy > > and Roy and Alan. > > > > Greetings. > > > > Arthur. > > > > ______________________________ > > Regarding the mention of the surnames SMAIL and TURNBULL in reference > > to the JEDBURGH area - > > > > My grgrgrandfather's youngest sister Susan PATERSON married John SMAIL > > on 24 June 1868 at Jedburgh. Their known & documented children were: > > Thomas SMAIL b. 1 Jan 1872 Kelso > > Ellen Clark SMAIL b. 22 Dec 1873 Kelso > > Francis SMAIL b. 5 Dec 1875 Kelso > > Mary SMAIL b. 27 Feb 1877 Kelso > > > > Another sister Agnes PATERSON married Andrew JOHNSTONE on 16 May 1856 > > at Jedburgh. Of their seven known & documented children, two married > > persons named TURNBULL: > > Francis(Frank) JOHNSTON b. 6 Jun 1856 Jedburgh, married Catherine > > TURNBULL b. 20 Apr 1863 Morebattle, on 5 Mar 1886 at Eckford > > Ellen(Helen) JOHNSTON b. 27 Apr 1863, Eckford, married Walter Turnbull > > b. abt Mar 1859 Morebattle, on 11 Feb 1887 at Eckford. > > > > Catherine Turnbull and Walter Turnbull were siblings. > > > > Any information on these individuals, their descendants, or general > > information on the SMAIL and TURNBULL families of the Jedburgh area, > > would be appreciated. > > > > Katherine Paterson > > Toronto, Canada > > > > Previous message ---- > > > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 > > Wrom: YZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQ > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Bankend - was "JEDBURGH" > > > > Jim, see my other message for a description of the location of the > > cottage. > > > > A for the postcard you are right, it would be much later than 1877 due > > to > > legal restrictions - basically postcards as we know then didn't exist > > at the > > time. > > > > Local postcard publishers included the Smails, and Turnbulls, who took > > over > > their shop. Also Clappertons - and national firms like Valentine of > > Dundee. > > > > Judy > > > > ______________________________ > > Sorry if I appear to ramble, please bear with me! > > > > Can anyone help with a recent avenue of research? > > > > I'm trying to find my maternal line of CAVERS in Scotland. > > My 3rd great grandfather was Walter CAVERS who moved from Scotland to > > Nottingham by 1826, marrying Jane MARTIN in that year. > > They had ten children, some stayed in Nottingham, (my line) but most moved > > to London between 1861 & his death in 1873 in Islington (he ran a business > > as a wholesale Milliner, and most of the female children were Milliners). > > On the 1881 census, his daughter, Agnes, living at 48 Kiver Rd, London, has > > her niece Lizzie from Nottingham living with her, also, Willie L CAVERS, > > born in London (male, but down on the transcript as niece!!!) (Jane is in > > London, again wrong transcript as Jane COVERS, living with her son's family, > > Robert) > > I've got Willie's marriage cert, giving his father as George Scott CAVERS, > > and a middle name of Langton, a search of IGI, gives a marriage of George > > Scott CAVERS & Mary LANGTON in Hawick 8th Sep 1875. > > If, as the 1881 census supposes, there is a family link from Willie to > > Agnes, to find out more on George's ancestors might give me the parents of > > Walter in Scotland (his death cert suggests he was born 1795) > > Has anyone anything on either Walter or George? > > IGI has a christening of a Walter in 1st Aug 1796 Kirkton, to another > > Walter, and one in Kirkton again, 30th Jun 1799 to James CAVERS, nothing > > else comes close. > > > > Rod Smith > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 > > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. 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> I couldn't get the link to the 1851 census to work. Any ideas? Marcus McCullough > Wrom: SCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZA > Date: 2003/09/02 Tue AM 03:00:04 GMT+00:00 > To: [email protected] > Subject: BORDER-D Digest V03 #139 > > BORDER-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 139 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [BORDER] Census [boyd <[email protected]>] > #2 Re: [BORDER] Census ["J A Olsen" <[email protected]>] > #3 [BORDER] CAVERS in Hawick ["Rod Smith" <[email protected]>] > #4 [BORDER] Re: BANKEND BORDER-D Dige [[email protected]] > #5 [BORDER] Smail & Turnbull [Katherine Paterson <[email protected]] > #6 [BORDER] George Scott CAVERS ["Rod Smith" <[email protected]>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from BORDER-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > Have you tried the 1851 Census for Dumfries and Galloway. > http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_searchresu > lts.asp > > Boyd > > In message <[email protected]>, Gary Carruthers > <[email protected]> writes > >Hi List, > > > >I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > >"somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? So > >far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > > >1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > >1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > >1831-1860 - ????? > >1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > >1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > > >The names in question are: > > > >George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > >Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > >Children: > >Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > >Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > >William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > >Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > > >Your advice would be appreciated. > > > >Regards > >Gary Carruthers > >Australia > > > >______________________________ > > -- > boyd > > ______________________________ > hi gary > > its the length of a bit of string question really > > a) the missing bit is Georges occupation innit? This could give a clue as to > what area he might have moved to, also the chance to find him in > directories. > > b) any family events during the years in question? > > Example - if George was informant on the death cert of one of his parents. > > > > > cheers > > > Judy > > > > > ---------- > >Wrom: AFXISHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYI > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: [BORDER] Census > >Date: 31, Sun Aug, 2003, 8:07 am > > > > > Hi List, > > > > I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family > > "somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? > > So far I have found their whereabouts between the years : > > > > 1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries > > 1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries > > 1831-1860 - ????? > > 1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr > > 1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries > > > > The names in question are: > > > > George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo > > Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben > > Children: > > Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo > > Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale > > William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale > > Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale > > > > Your advice would be appreciated. > > > > Regards > > Gary Carruthers > > Australia > > > > > > ==== BORDER Mailing List ==== > > Borders includes Selkirkshire, Roxburghshire, Berwickshire, Peebleshire. We > > also welcome family researchers for Dumfries and Galloway, > > Kirkudbrightshire, Northumberland and Cumbria > > > > ______________________________ > Sorry if I appear to ramble, please bear with me! > > Can anyone help with a recent avenue of research? > > I'm trying to find my maternal line of CAVERS in Scotland. > My 3rd great grandfather was Walter CAVERS who moved from Scotland to > Nottingham by 1826, marrying Jane MARTIN in that year. > They had ten children, some stayed in Nottingham, (my line) but most moved > to London between 1861 & his death in 1873 in Islington (he ran a business > as a wholesale Milliner, and most of the female children were Milliners). > On the 1881 census, his daughter, Agnes, living at 48 Kiver Rd, London, has > her niece Lizzie from Nottingham living with her, also, Willie L CAVERS, > born in London (male, but down on the transcript as niece!!!) (Jane is in > London, again wrong transcript as Jane COVERS, living with her son's family, > Robert) > I've got Willie's marriage cert, giving his father as George Scott CAVERS, > and a middle name of Langton, a search of IGI, gives a marriage of George > Scott CAVERS & Mary LANGTON in Hawick 8th Sep 1875. > If, as the 1881 census supposes, there is a family link from Willie to > Agnes, to find out more on George's ancestors might give me the parents of > Walter in Scotland (his death cert suggests he was born 1795) > Has anyone anything on either Walter or George? > IGI has a christening of a Walter in 1st Aug 1796 Kirkton, to another > Walter, and one in Kirkton again, 30th Jun 1799 to James CAVERS, nothing > else comes close. > > Rod Smith > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 > > ______________________________ > Many thanks to all who have sent information about Bankend, especially Judy > and Roy and Alan. > > Greetings. > > Arthur. > > ______________________________ > Regarding the mention of the surnames SMAIL and TURNBULL in reference > to the JEDBURGH area - > > My grgrgrandfather's youngest sister Susan PATERSON married John SMAIL > on 24 June 1868 at Jedburgh. Their known & documented children were: > Thomas SMAIL b. 1 Jan 1872 Kelso > Ellen Clark SMAIL b. 22 Dec 1873 Kelso > Francis SMAIL b. 5 Dec 1875 Kelso > Mary SMAIL b. 27 Feb 1877 Kelso > > Another sister Agnes PATERSON married Andrew JOHNSTONE on 16 May 1856 > at Jedburgh. Of their seven known & documented children, two married > persons named TURNBULL: > Francis(Frank) JOHNSTON b. 6 Jun 1856 Jedburgh, married Catherine > TURNBULL b. 20 Apr 1863 Morebattle, on 5 Mar 1886 at Eckford > Ellen(Helen) JOHNSTON b. 27 Apr 1863, Eckford, married Walter Turnbull > b. abt Mar 1859 Morebattle, on 11 Feb 1887 at Eckford. > > Catherine Turnbull and Walter Turnbull were siblings. > > Any information on these individuals, their descendants, or general > information on the SMAIL and TURNBULL families of the Jedburgh area, > would be appreciated. > > Katherine Paterson > Toronto, Canada > > Previous message ---- > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 > Wrom: YZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGVCJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQ > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BORDER] Bankend - was "JEDBURGH" > > Jim, see my other message for a description of the location of the > cottage. > > A for the postcard you are right, it would be much later than 1877 due > to > legal restrictions - basically postcards as we know then didn't exist > at the > time. > > Local postcard publishers included the Smails, and Turnbulls, who took > over > their shop. Also Clappertons - and national firms like Valentine of > Dundee. > > Judy > > ______________________________ > Sorry if I appear to ramble, please bear with me! > > Can anyone help with a recent avenue of research? > > I'm trying to find my maternal line of CAVERS in Scotland. > My 3rd great grandfather was Walter CAVERS who moved from Scotland to > Nottingham by 1826, marrying Jane MARTIN in that year. > They had ten children, some stayed in Nottingham, (my line) but most moved > to London between 1861 & his death in 1873 in Islington (he ran a business > as a wholesale Milliner, and most of the female children were Milliners). > On the 1881 census, his daughter, Agnes, living at 48 Kiver Rd, London, has > her niece Lizzie from Nottingham living with her, also, Willie L CAVERS, > born in London (male, but down on the transcript as niece!!!) (Jane is in > London, again wrong transcript as Jane COVERS, living with her son's family, > Robert) > I've got Willie's marriage cert, giving his father as George Scott CAVERS, > and a middle name of Langton, a search of IGI, gives a marriage of George > Scott CAVERS & Mary LANGTON in Hawick 8th Sep 1875. > If, as the 1881 census supposes, there is a family link from Willie to > Agnes, to find out more on George's ancestors might give me the parents of > Walter in Scotland (his death cert suggests he was born 1795) > Has anyone anything on either Walter or George? > IGI has a christening of a Walter in 1st Aug 1796 Kirkton, to another > Walter, and one in Kirkton again, 30th Jun 1799 to James CAVERS, nothing > else comes close. > > Rod Smith > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 19/08/03 > >

Try again http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_search.asp I am getting a 404 error on the url I sent Boyd In message <[email protected]>, boyd <[email protected]> writes >Have you tried the 1851 Census for Dumfries and Galloway. >http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/services/depts/comres/library/census_searchresu >lts.asp > >Boyd > >In message <[email protected]>, Gary Carruthers ><[email protected]> writes >>Hi List, >> >>I wonder if anyone can advise me as to the best way to locate a family >>"somewhere in Scotland or maybe even England between the years 1831-1860"? So >>far I have found their whereabouts between the years : >> >>1816-1824 - Pathhead, St Mungo, Dumfries >>1825-1830 - Dryfesdale, Dumfries >>1831-1860 - ????? >>1861-1873 - Mauchline, Ayr >>1881-1884 Ecclefechan, Dumfries >> >>The names in question are: >> >>George Carruthers born 1796 born St Mungo >>Elizabeth nee Carlyle 1798 Lochmaben >>Children: >>Jane Carruthers 1823 St Mungo >>Mary Carruthers 1825 Dryfesdale >>William Carruthers 1827 Dryfesdale >>Richards Carruthers 1829 Dryfesdale >> >>Your advice would be appreciated. >> >>Regards >>Gary Carruthers >>Australia >> >>______________________________ > -- boyd